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Nitro Express
10-03-2005, 03:26 AM
Chinese firm linked to smuggled AK-47s picked to supply Iraqi army

By Jonathan S. Landay, Knight Ridder Newspapers

WASHINGTON - The U.S. Army has approved the purchase of more than $29 million worth of weapons for the new Iraqi army from a Chinese state-owned company that's under indictment in California in connection with the smuggling of 2,000 AK-47 automatic rifles into the United States in 1996.


The haul remains the largest seizure of smuggled automatic weapons in U.S. history.


Army Lt. Col. Joe Yoswa, a Pentagon spokesman, said the Warren, Mich.-based U.S. Army Tank-automotive and Armaments Command approved the contract for Poly Technologies after a check into the company's background. The company wasn't among those banned from doing business in the United States, he said.


The Beijing-based firm is to deliver 2,369 light and heavy machine guns, 14,653 AK-47 rifles and 72 million rounds of ammunition worth $29.3 million by Saturday, according to a Pentagon statement.


It isn't clear whether the deal, which comes as the Bush administration is pressing the European Union to maintain an embargo on high-tech arms sales to China, was discussed or approved by higher-ranking officials at the State and Defense departments. Hungary, Poland and Romania, all members of the U.S.-led military coalition in Iraq, could supply the same weapons. China opposed the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq.


Poly Technologies won the competitively bid $29.3 million contract in February from The International Trading Establishment, a Jordan-based consortium. The U.S. Army selected the consortium to supply Iraq's fledgling security forces with as much as $174.4 million worth of radios, night-vision equipment, weapons and ammunition. The consortium comprises coalition partners of corporations from the Czech Republic, Spain and Jordan.


Iraq is awash in AK-47s and other weapons, but American commanders want new weapons for the new army.


Dynasty Holding of Atlanta, the name under which Poly Technologies did business in the United States, was charged in the smuggling case, along with 14 co-defendants, including Bao Ping "Robert" Ma, a former Chinese army general who was the firm's U.S. representative, according to the May 1996 federal grand jury indictment.


Ma and three co-defendants were also charged with smuggling 20,000 AK-47 bipods into the United States from China in December 1994.


Ma is a fugitive believed to be in China, according to U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE).


The 30-count indictment stemmed from a sting operation mounted by undercover U.S. Treasury and U.S. Customs Service agents, who posed as organized-crime arms dealers.


The agents paid $700,000 for 2,000 fully automatic AK-47s that were shipped into Oakland, Calif., aboard a Chinese-owned vessel from China in March 1996.


The shipment, which had an approximate street value of more than $4 million, also included about 4,000 AK-47 drum magazines capable of holding up to 40 rounds each.


A key figure in the plot who pleaded guilty, Hammond Ku, a resident alien from Taiwan, suggested to the undercover agents that the weapons be sold to "gang bangers," or street gangs, according to an affidavit from a U.S. Customs agent that accompanied the indictment.


Ma is one of five Chinese nationals indicted in the case who are fugitives. Two other Chinese nationals who were charged, a former Poly Technologies export manager and a former export official of another state-run munitions firm, NORINCO, have been convicted in China, said Lori Haley, a spokeswoman for ICE in Laguna Niguel, Calif.


"It's still a pending investigation," said Haley. "As long as they are fugitives, the investigation is still open."


Ma's lawyer, Joseph Russinello, said his client was innocent.





He said the Chinese government had "basically cleared" Ma in the investigation that led to the convictions of the former Poly Technologies and NORINCO export officials.

According to U.S. federal court records, four other defendants have pleaded guilty, including Ku. He pleaded guilty in 1997 to illegal importation and money laundering charges, but has yet to be sentenced.

"Poly Technologies is not on any list of prohibited sources, nor is the U.S., under existing law, regulation or policy, prohibited from using Chinese companies to supply weapons," said Yoswa, the Pentagon spokesman. "There are firms within China that are on the prohibited source list, but Poly Technologies is not one of them."

He also pointed out that a U.S. arms embargo slapped on China after the 1989 massacre that crushed pro-democracy protests in Beijing's Tiananmen Square applies only to American sales of advanced defense technologies to the communist regime.

An Army official, speaking on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the issue, said Army investigators were aware of the link between Poly Technologies and the 1996 weapons smuggling case. But, the official said, Poly Technologies itself was not named in the indictment.

"We looked at Poly Technologies, not Dynasty Holding. Dynasty Holding doesn't exist," the official said.

The official said the background check on the company was conducted by the National Ground Intelligence Center, an Army intelligence agency in Charlottesville, Va.

Poly Technologies was started by the Chinese military as an arms trading corporation. When the government ordered the military to divest itself of numerous businesses, Poly Technologies in 1999 was placed under the central government.

Nickdfresh
10-03-2005, 10:05 PM
They could buy this fucking things from half the countries of the former communist bloc...But they pick CHINA?

The AK-47 is obsolete anyways...

Nitro Express
10-04-2005, 12:29 AM
You mean we. Yes, the US govt. will pay for those weapons with our money. I wouldn't say the AK-47 is obsolete. It's a robust, inexpensive, battle proven assault rifle. Sure the sights are lousey and the saftey lever is akward and noisey but for a general infantry weapon it still gets the job done. Actually, there are very few AK-47's in use because the original AK-47 has a milled reciever. The AKM has a stamped reciever. Then there is the AK-74 which shoots a smaller, faster round simular to what the M-16 shoots.

What all these rifles have in common is they use the basic Kaloshnikov design. The Israelis impoved the saftey and sights and use this basic design in their Gallil assault rifle. Some of the newer bull pup assault rifles coming out are Kaloshnikovs with a short buttstock and the trigger ahead of the magazine.

No, there's going to be Kaloshnikov styled weapons for a very long time. You really don't need great sights or accuracy for rounds that are only effective up to 300 yards. Sure a good M-16 is more accurate, but it's a fragile gun in comparison and requires more maintenance. In the gritty sands of the middle east, the Kalashnikov is hard to beat.

Nickdfresh
10-04-2005, 12:36 AM
Originally posted by Nitro Express
... Then there is the AK-74 which shoots a smaller, faster round simular to what the M-16 shoots.



That's all we needed to know...

Even the RUSSIANS dumped the low power, full caliber round (7.62X39mm) for the 5.45X45mm (AK-74 rifle, AKS74 carbine) or whatnot, for reasons of accuracy and range during Afghanistan. And why use a weapon that the enemy insurgents can just use the same captured ammo too?

Nitro Express
10-04-2005, 01:08 AM
Mr. Kaloshnikov himself said copying the 5.56 NATO was a mistake and he was against it. But Moscow thought the US was onto something new and the Soviet Union would be left behind.

The 5.45 does amazing damage at closer ranges, can be very accurate, has a flatter trajectory, and you can carry more rounds for the same wieght.

The 7,62X39 does not tumble and does less damage in theory. It has superior penetrating power through hard targets like automobiles, foliage, glass, and such. Less rounds can be carried per wieght.

In an urban shootout. Personally, I would rather have armor piercing 7,62x39 because the heavier more solid bullet penetrates better.

I think it really is a toss up though. You can carry more 5.45 vs. 7.62.

But both rounds are intermediate and are designed to take care of business under 300 yards. Beyond that you better have a 30 caliber machine gun.

Face it. In modern warfare, most casualties happen because of artillery. Shrapnel doesn most the killing.

If you are shooting it out with guerrila insurgients in a city, I would say either round would do the job. If the dude is hiding behind some sheet metal, the 7,62 might have an edge. But as long as the gun doesn't jam and you have ammo for it, you are in business. Personally, I would want one of those neat grenade launchers on my gun as well. LOL!

Nitro Express
10-04-2005, 01:18 AM
If the M-16 and 5.56 was as big of a piece of crap as some people make it to be, we would have tossed it a long time ago. There's plenty of good assault rifle designs out there. People get too emotional about this shit. I mean we aren't talking match or sniper rifles here.