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BigBadBrian
10-03-2005, 12:40 PM
Red America stands firm in sea of European blue
Sep 14, 2005
by Jonah Goldberg

Here's a gloomy thought for you: America is going to be lonely for a very long time. After reading the October issue of The American Enterprise, "Red America, Blue Europe," that's the only conclusion one can draw.

There is a grand myth that the world, particularly Europe, loved America before George W. Bush came into office. The reality is that it only dislikes us a bit more than it used to.

Anti-American books tore up the best-seller list in France throughout the Clinton presidency. The staged anti-globalization riots during the 1990s were not love letters to America or the Democratic Party. In 1999, Bill Clinton needed 10,000 policemen to protect him from Greek activists who aimed to firebomb him. Protesters in Athens continually pulled down a statue of Harry Truman. Despite the relentless jackassery of people like Michael Moore and others who attributed 9/11 to Bush's policies - including our failure to sign the Kyoto Treaty (stop laughing) - al-Qaida got its operation up and running throughout the sunny days of Bill Clinton and the dotcom bubble.

In the 1980s, anti-Americanism was also a big problem, but fortunately the elites of Europe generally understood - with some lamentable exceptions - it was better to have America as a friend than the Soviet Union as a ruler.

But now that the Cold War is over, European elites have been liberated from the need to play well with the United States. Elections in Germany and France have largely been won in recent years by running against America. The U.S. is the only superpower and European elites don't think anyone but them should be superpowers. The Chinese have a similar attitude, of course, and pretty much every foreign policy article and expert I can find says we're going to be playing Cold War-style games with China for the next 50 years.

In other words, we are facing at minimum two enormous problems that will far, far outlast the Bush presidency, and, unlike in the past, it's not entirely clear we can rely on our friends to stand with us. This is a broad generalization, which means that it's open to contradiction by a great many facts while still, I think, remaining true. We do have some real friends, most notably Britain, Japan and Australia.

But much of Europe seems lost to us. There are many reasons for this, but two stick out. First, they're free-riders. They know that America is the only country left with the means and the will to maintain international order. Our economy keeps their economy afloat. We keep the sea lanes open. Our scientific innovation gives them medical breakthroughs they buy on the cheap.

Second, because we're behind the wheel, they can indulge their vanity by playing backseat drivers. They reject the basic assumptions of American strategic imperatives. So they toy with selling weapons to the Chinese. They play games about whether or not Islamic radicalism is even really a problem. They are always willing to credit the worst possible explanation of American actions.

A columnist for the British Sun wrote this week, "America may have given the world the space shuttle and, er, condensed milk, but behind the veneer of civilization most Americans barely have the brains to walk on their back legs." Then he got offensive, writing that the people of New Orleans were "finding themselves being blown to pieces by a helicopter gunship."

A third of Germans under 30 think America ordered the 9/11 attacks. The "theory" that the Pentagon attack was self-inflicted stagecraft is in wide circulation in France, and the subject of a best-selling book. Throughout Europe, it's easy to find commentators who take it at face value that Bush's failure to sign Kyoto led to Katrina. (It's worth noting: Clinton refused to sign it, too. And rightly so.)

There is a third reason Europe has become unreliable. The mass influx of Muslim immigrants. The political consequences of the Islamification of much of Europe will outlast George Bush for decades.

Tony Blair, a stalwart ally in Iraq, has recently been caving to Islamic radicals for domestic political considerations. He's decided to seek advice from a new "task force" on extremism that hosts a rogues' gallery of anti-Semites, Holocaust deniers and apologists for bin Laden and Jihadism (one "adviser" calls bin Laden a "freedom fighter"). This hardly bodes well for Britain to stay the course in the battle against Islamic fundamentalism.

What bodes even worse is that Britain is the only country in Europe with a military capable of projecting significant military force abroad for a sustained period of time. Even if the next president, or the one after that, succeeded in winning European friends where Bush has failed, it seems unlikely those friendships will be of enormous use. Economically and militarily, Europe is increasingly second-rate.

We are in for some lonely days.



Link (http://www.townhall.com/opinion/column/jonahgoldberg/2005/09/14/155418.html)

FORD
10-03-2005, 01:15 PM
Go home Jonah. And take all your other so called "dual citizen" traitors with you.

scamper
10-03-2005, 01:42 PM
FM Radio
Steam Engine
Transistor
Jenny (Train) Coupler
Plastic
Steam Locomotive
Telephone
Gramaphone
Pacemaker
Browning Rifle
Analog Computer
Transistor
Nylon
Air Conditioner
Peanut Products
Colt Revolver
Locomotive
Airplanes
Motorcycle
Tractor
Vaccume Tube
Pencil
Horseless Carriage
Dry Plate Photography
Light Bulb
Steamboat
Model T (Car)
Lightning Rod
Steamboat
Gatling Gun
Rockets & Liquid Fuel
Vulcanized Rubber
Ice Machine
Bette Graham
Shorthand
Submarine
Artificial Heart
Swivel Chair
Desktop Computer
Automobile Air Conditioner
Polaroid Camera
Bolometer, Early Airplane
Polygraph
Maxim Machine Gun
Mechanical Reaper
Gas Mask
Morse Code
Oldsmobile
Atomic Bomb
Elevator Brakes
Coca-Cola
Pullman Sleeping (Train) Car
Cash Register
Polio Vaccine
Razor
Bombsight
Helicopters
Helicopters
Sewing Machine
Alternating Current (AC)
Scientific Method of Assembly
Rotary Engine
Electrometer
Cotton Gin
Open Heart Surgery
Railway Telegraphy Stations
Airplane
Locks
Electron Microscope


Just a few things invented in America making the world better. Hows that French space program doing?

Nickdfresh
10-03-2005, 01:53 PM
Man, people mention FRANCE, and you guys get a hard-on...

Who gives a fuck about FRANCE?

What is GOLDBERGH pissed they were smart enough not to get sucking into our middle-east quagmire.

Angel
10-03-2005, 02:28 PM
Originally posted by scamper
FM Radio
Steam Engine
Transistor
Jenny (Train) Coupler
Plastic
Steam Locomotive
Telephone
Gramaphone
Pacemaker
Browning Rifle
Analog Computer
Transistor
Nylon
Air Conditioner
Peanut Products
Colt Revolver
Locomotive
Airplanes
Motorcycle
Tractor
Vaccume Tube
Pencil
Horseless Carriage
Dry Plate Photography
Light Bulb
Steamboat
Model T (Car)
Lightning Rod
Steamboat
Gatling Gun
Rockets & Liquid Fuel
Vulcanized Rubber
Ice Machine
Bette Graham
Shorthand
Submarine
Artificial Heart
Swivel Chair
Desktop Computer
Automobile Air Conditioner
Polaroid Camera
Bolometer, Early Airplane
Polygraph
Maxim Machine Gun
Mechanical Reaper
Gas Mask
Morse Code
Oldsmobile
Atomic Bomb
Elevator Brakes
Coca-Cola
Pullman Sleeping (Train) Car
Cash Register
Polio Vaccine
Razor
Bombsight
Helicopters
Helicopters
Sewing Machine
Alternating Current (AC)
Scientific Method of Assembly
Rotary Engine
Electrometer
Cotton Gin
Open Heart Surgery
Railway Telegraphy Stations
Airplane
Locks
Electron Microscope


Just a few things invented in America making the world better. Hows that French space program doing?

There's a HELL of a lot on that list that was invented by Canadians. Where the hell did you find this?

scamper
10-03-2005, 02:29 PM
http://www.northstar.k12.ak.us/schools/ryn/projects/inventors/

scamper
10-03-2005, 02:34 PM
Angel I hope your not trying to take credit for the swivel chair.

Nitro Express
10-03-2005, 02:37 PM
Europe has it's own problems. They haven't produced enough children for so long that it's becoming an aged society. Go to some European towns and teenagers and kids are hardly even seen. Places like Vienna come to mind. The same with France.

In contrast, the growing Muslim sector have kids like crazy. The youngest population in the world is in Iran. Europe will slowly become an Islamic area.

As far as hating the US, not everyone. Europeans are more war shy than Americans, because major wars have been fought there and they still have memories of WWII and how horrible it was. The post WWII generation tend to be selfish hippy dip types who love radical environmentalism, hate traditional religion and it's rules, and hate war. Basically, the culture found in most liberal US cities like San Fransisco is alive and well in Europe.

Also, guys like Saddam Hussain were huge customers and under the table oil suppliers to countries like France. We ruined some great business for many French and German companies and politicians.

Europe's hate of the US is a combination of hippie dip love not war hype and pissing off the corrupt power brokers.

Trust me, if Europe got into trouble again like it was in WWII and we did nothing, they would kiss our ass and want us back protecting them.

I say fuck em. Dissolve NATO and let the EC and Canada fare for themselves. Heck, fuck Korea too. We've spent billions protecting these places for 50 years or more. Time to leave.

BigBadBrian
10-04-2005, 01:37 AM
Originally posted by Angel
There's a HELL of a lot on that list that was invented by Canadians. Where the hell did you find this?

Shut your piehole, just once, would you?

:rolleyes:

kentuckyklira
10-04-2005, 08:29 AM
Originally posted by scamper
FM Radio
Steam Engine
Transistor
Jenny (Train) Coupler
Plastic
Steam Locomotive
Telephone
Gramaphone
Pacemaker
Browning Rifle
Analog Computer
Transistor
Nylon
Air Conditioner
Peanut Products
Colt Revolver
Locomotive
Airplanes
Motorcycle
Tractor
Vaccume Tube
Pencil
Horseless Carriage
Dry Plate Photography
Light Bulb
Steamboat
Model T (Car)
Lightning Rod
Steamboat
Gatling Gun
Rockets & Liquid Fuel
Vulcanized Rubber
Ice Machine
Bette Graham
Shorthand
Submarine
Artificial Heart
Swivel Chair
Desktop Computer
Automobile Air Conditioner
Polaroid Camera
Bolometer, Early Airplane
Polygraph
Maxim Machine Gun
Mechanical Reaper
Gas Mask
Morse Code
Oldsmobile
Atomic Bomb
Elevator Brakes
Coca-Cola
Pullman Sleeping (Train) Car
Cash Register
Polio Vaccine
Razor
Bombsight
Helicopters
Helicopters
Sewing Machine
Alternating Current (AC)
Scientific Method of Assembly
Rotary Engine
Electrometer
Cotton Gin
Open Heart Surgery
Railway Telegraphy Stations
Airplane
Locks
Electron Microscope


Just a few things invented in America making the world better. Hows that French space program doing? At least 4 items on that list were not invented in America!

scamper
10-04-2005, 09:06 AM
Originally posted by kentuckyklira
At least 4 items on that list were not invented in America!

After further investigation Angle and Kentucky are right not all of these things were invented by Americans. Sorry

scamper
10-04-2005, 09:08 AM
and I spelled Angel wrong

Seshmeister
10-04-2005, 09:38 AM
Originally posted by scamper
FM Radio
Steam Engine
...

Big deal...:)

And how the hell did the US invent Steam Engines when they were first invented by the ancient Greeks thousands of years ago and then refined by the Scottish engineer Watt.

Scottish inventions.

adhesive postage stamps
anaesthetics
antisepsis
artificial diamonds
reaping machine
Bank of England
latent heat
Brownian movement
Buicks
chemical bonds
penicillin
the decimal point
documentary films
Encyclopedia Britannica
engineering sciences
fax machines
first cloned mammal
flailing machines
geosciences
golf
historical novels
hypodermic syringes
Kelvin scale
percussion powder
logarithms
Maxwell's equations
marmalade
mackintosh raincoats
macadamized roads
microwave ovens
colloid chemistry
breech-loading rifle
tubular steel
quinine
Sociology
pneumatic tyres
pink bathtubs
hollow pipe drainage
Peter Pan
radar
paleobiology
polarization
cure for scurvy
King Arthur
Halloween
refrigerators
Neptune
bakelite
iron bridges
solitons
the steam engine
telephones
thermos flasks/dewars
the telegraph
television
the stereotype
sulphuric acid
the steam-hammer
cure for insomnia
paraffin
Whisky
US Navy
Chilean Navy
Economics
Cloud Chamber

scamper
10-04-2005, 10:28 AM
Originally posted by Seshmeister
Big deal...:)

And how the hell did the US invent Steam Engines when they were first invented by the ancient Greeks thousands of years ago and then refined by the Scottish engineer Watt.

Scottish inventions.

the steam engine




??????, but thanks for the golf and the refrigerator to keep my beer cold while I golf, whats with the pink bathtub?

Seshmeister
10-04-2005, 12:30 PM
The Scottish guy that invented the Buick also invented hot to bond enamel to cast iron; a process responsible for our blue bathtubs and pink sinks etc. etc.

Nitro Express
10-05-2005, 05:17 AM
Most of the list is correct but the horseless carriage was invented in Germany by mister Dahmler who would later found Mercedes-Benz.

Seshmeister
10-05-2005, 05:43 AM
I just picked one at random off the US list - Helicopter.

The very first piloted helicopter was invented by Paul Cornu in 1907, however, this design was not successful. Another Frenchman, Etienne Oehmichen built and flew a helicopter 1 kilometer in 1924. An early practical helicopter that flew for a decent distance was the German Focke-Wulf Fw 61 invented by an unknown inventor.

Igor Sikorsky is considered to be the "father" of helicopters not because he invented the first. He is called that because he invented the first successful helicopter, upon which future designs were based.

So you count the helicopter as being invented by the US because a Russian built a successful model there? Bit of a stretch. It's either French or Russian.

Seshmeister
10-05-2005, 05:44 AM
And the locomotive was invented by an Englishman, George Stevenson.

Seshmeister
10-05-2005, 05:47 AM
The motorcycle was invented by Daimler a few years before any American model.

Fuck where did you get this list???

Seshmeister
10-05-2005, 05:50 AM
Take out the irrelevant brand names and BS and it's a surprisingly poor list.

Nickdfresh
10-05-2005, 06:05 AM
Well. We invented the Hamburger.:)
http://www.geography.ccsu.edu/harmonj/atlas/burgers.html
http://www.geography.ccsu.edu/harmonj/atlas/hamburgny.jpg

Seshmeister
10-05-2005, 06:11 AM
Good point!

Nickdfresh
10-05-2005, 06:13 AM
Originally posted by Seshmeister
Good point!

Well, it's better than haggis.

scamper
10-05-2005, 08:01 AM
http://www.northstar.k12.ak.us/scho...ects/inventors/

here's the link again, my fault for not researching it

Seshmeister
10-05-2005, 08:08 AM
Originally posted by Nickdfresh
Well, it's better than haggis.

I agree.:)

Have you ever had good quality haggis though?

In any case ground(or minced as we call it) beef has been around for centuries.

Putting it in a bun was hardly rocket science...:)

Seshmeister
10-05-2005, 08:10 AM
Originally posted by scamper
http://www.northstar.k12.ak.us/scho...ects/inventors/

here's the link again, my fault for not researching it

Is that a school site?

They're teaching kids that propoganda?:)

Shame on them...

Nickdfresh
10-05-2005, 08:54 AM
Originally posted by Seshmeister
I agree.:)

Have you ever had good quality haggis though?

In any case ground(or minced as we call it) beef has been around for centuries.

Putting it in a bun was hardly rocket science...:)

True, but so were SHEEP guts, disemboweling them to make recipes wasn't rocket science either.:D

Nickdfresh
10-05-2005, 08:57 AM
Originally posted by Seshmeister
Is that a school site?

They're teaching kids that propoganda?:)

Shame on them...

No. Textbook companies are just filled with money-grubbing shitheads that either don't care, or are too thick, to get their facts straight.

Seshmeister
10-05-2005, 09:11 AM
You ever notice how you don't need cutlery to eat most American food?

Funny that...:)

scamper
10-05-2005, 09:27 AM
Originally posted by Seshmeister
You ever notice how you don't need cutlery to eat most American food?

Funny that...:)

Deep fried served on a stick, food for the person on the go

Nickdfresh
10-05-2005, 08:08 PM
Originally posted by Seshmeister
You ever notice how you don't need cutlery to eat most American food?

Funny that...:)

Are you talkin' 'bout a Yankee Rose?
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y240/Nickdfresh/American_Pie_Girls_-_Bikinis.jpg