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Nickdfresh
10-07-2005, 03:32 PM
Bible not all gospel, Catholics warned
By Ruth Gledhill
06oct05

THE hierarchy of the Roman Catholic Church has published a teaching document instructing the faithful that some parts of the Bible are not actually true.

The Catholic bishops of England, Wales and Scotland are warning their 5 million worshippers, as well as any others drawn to the study of scripture, that they should not expect "total accuracy" from the Bible.

"We should not expect to find in scripture full scientific accuracy or complete historical precision," they say in "The Gift of Scripture". The document is timely, coming as it does amid the rise of the religious Right, in particular in the US.

Some Christians want a literal interpretation of the story of creation, as told in Genesis, taught alongside Darwin's theory of evolution in schools, believing "intelligent design" to be an equally plausible theory of how the world began.

But the first 11 chapters of Genesis, in which two different and conflicting stories of creation are told, are among those that this country's Catholic bishops insist cannot be "historical". At most, they say, they may contain "historical traces".

The document shows how far the Catholic Church has come since the 17th century, when Galileo was condemned as a heretic for flouting a near-universal belief in the divine inspiration of the Bible by advocating the Copernican view of the solar system.

Only a century ago, pope Pius X condemned modernist Catholic scholars who adapted historical-critical methods of analysing ancient literature to the Bible.

In the document, the bishops acknowledge their debt to biblical scholars. They say the Bible must be approached in the knowledge that it is "God's word expressed in human language" and that proper acknowledgement should be given both to the word of God and its human dimensions.

The Bible is true in passages relating to human salvation, but: "We should not expect total accuracy from the Bible in other, secular matters."

They go on to condemn fundamentalism for its "intransigent intolerance" and to warn of "significant dangers" involved in a fundamentalist approach, such as when a group considers itself permitted to use violence against others.

Of the notorious anti-Jewish curse in Matthew 27:25, "His blood be on us and on our children", a passage used to justify centuries of anti-Semitism, the bishops say these and other words must never be used again as a pretext to treat Jewish people with contempt.

Describing this passage as dramatic exaggeration, the bishops say it has had "tragic consequences" in encouraging hatred and persecution.

Link (http://www.thecouriermail.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5936,16826143%255E401,00.html)

Warham
10-07-2005, 03:50 PM
And so it begins...

knuckleboner
10-07-2005, 03:56 PM
i prefer the term: "allegory" to "BS"

Jesus used parables to make points in the new testament. i don't see why God couldn't have done the same in the old...

Warham
10-07-2005, 04:01 PM
I'm no longer Catholic for this and many other reasons...

Mr. Vengeance
10-07-2005, 04:03 PM
Some? Try 99%.

I also was Catholic until I reached the age of reason....

Warham
10-07-2005, 04:14 PM
Let me explain my last post.

I'm no longer Catholic because of the way they've basically allowed man-made doctrine to supercede what the Bible has warned against people doing.

It'll eventually lead into them probably disregarding the Bible entirely and having their members follow their directives, which probably will have some grand sinister agenda behind them.

I'm still a Christian and still believe it's the Word.

FORD
10-07-2005, 04:20 PM
The Catholics have always allowed man made doctrine to override Christ's teachings. Paul is far more the basis of the Catholic Church than Christ Himself, as exemplified in the celibacy of priests and nuns, which is based on one verse from a guy with serious sexual hangups.

It was the Catholics who chose the "official" complilation of "The Bible" in the 4th century, which immediately kills the idea of it being the "literal Word of God", as God wasn't present at their meeting. Or if He was, He didn't speak up.

BITEYOASS
10-07-2005, 04:44 PM
Originally posted by FORD
The Catholics have always allowed man made doctrine to override Christ's teachings. Paul is far more the basis of the Catholic Church than Christ Himself, as exemplified in the celibacy of priests and nuns, which is based on one verse from a guy with serious sexual hangups.

It was the Catholics who chose the "official" complilation of "The Bible" in the 4th century, which immediately kills the idea of it being the "literal Word of God", as God wasn't present at their meeting. Or if He was, He didn't speak up.

Hell, it's no wonder eastern orthodox christianity broke away from the catholics. They probably had a meeting with the catholics and came to the conclusion: I'll serve christ with all my heart, but I'll be damned if I'm denied some poon-tang on a regular basis!

Hardrock69
10-07-2005, 04:47 PM
Originally posted by Warham
And so it begins...

HA! It began several centuries ago.

About time they said something like this.

Though they still are not being 100% truthful.

They won't dare say anything that might deplete their yearly revenue stream....though they literally have more money than God, and could exist for the rest of eternity with no contributions from the "flock".

Warham
10-07-2005, 04:58 PM
I'll agree that they have enough money to burn in their fireplaces during those cold winters in Italy for the rest of history. ;)

BigBadBrian
10-07-2005, 05:06 PM
Originally posted by Warham
Let me explain my last post.

I'm no longer Catholic because of the way they've basically allowed man-made doctrine to supercede what the Bible has warned against people doing.

It'll eventually lead into them probably disregarding the Bible entirely and having their members follow their directives, which probably will have some grand sinister agenda behind them.

I'm still a Christian and still believe it's the Word.

Excellent post, Warham.

Well said.

When will people learn that you can either take religion or leave it, but if you take it, God is in control and makes the rules. Follow his doctrine or go sit on a barstool on Sunday mornings. :)

There are too many churches out that are clearly being led by man instead of God. The Catholic church now appears to be one of them. It confesses this fact in public now. Of course, I've known it for years. I just "hold my fire" just so not to offend my Catholic friends here on this board and elsewhere. Not anymore.

:gulp:

knuckleboner
10-07-2005, 05:13 PM
Originally posted by BigBadBrian
I just "hold my fire" just so not to offend my Catholic friends here on this board and elsewhere. Not anymore.

:gulp:


fine, then consider me offended. ;)

BigBadBrian
10-07-2005, 05:23 PM
Originally posted by knuckleboner
fine, then consider me offended. ;)

OK.

You'll live through it, though.

It's not like we don't have enough religion-bashing threads around here. I said I don't agree with your religion, but I won't start a thread and attack you for it like some are prone to do around here. I might, however, start one and attack the Islam faith.

:gulp:

jhale667
10-07-2005, 05:34 PM
Wow...a statement from the Catholic church containing LOGIC...never saw that before. Like I've said in here before, I consider myself a 'recovering' Catholic . Twelve years of parochial school will do that to ya....;)

FORD
10-07-2005, 05:38 PM
Originally posted by BigBadBrian


When will people learn that you can either take religion or leave it, but if you take it, God is in control and makes the rules.

Among the "rules" listed in Leviticus is the names of the birds that you can and cannot eat.

One of those listed under the "cannot eat" category is the BAT.

Now, it's understandable that primitives like Moses and his boys might have assumed that anything with wings was a "bird".

But surely God knows better.

So how could God have made a rule which would make Him look like an idiot? :confused:

rwc
10-07-2005, 05:54 PM
Originally posted by jhale667
Wow...a statement from the Catholic church containing LOGIC...never saw that before. Like I've said in here before, I consider myself a 'recovering' Catholic . Twelve years of parochial school will do that to ya....;)

I love this site... So many kindred spirits.

I'm recovering from a Christian Reformed upbringing.
Christian Reformed is very similar to Catholic but without the big family.

As for the bible being the true word, please. The bible was written by man to justify and unite a political power base and to implement social control. Christianity is nothing more than an emotionally abusive death cult that evolved from an amalgam of Mithraism, Judaism, Goddess worship, and Gnosis Mysticism.

I do, however, like Genesis 16:6b background: Hagar (a servant of Abram) conceives, making Sarai (the wife of Abram) jealous. Abram tells Sarai to do to Hagar whatever she wants.
Gen 16:6b "And when Sarai dealt hardly with Hagar, she fled."

Mr. Vengeance
10-07-2005, 06:06 PM
It's a man-made story. If you take something out of it and it enriches your life, then good.

However, those who believe it is just a book of man-made stories, shouldn't have to hear about how "God" wants us to do this that or the other thing.....especially through government.

Nickdfresh
10-07-2005, 06:19 PM
Originally posted by Warham
And so it begins...

I saw that headline, and it "had me at hello."

Warham
10-07-2005, 06:26 PM
Hey, it's fun bring up Catholics, right? ;)

jhale667
10-07-2005, 06:34 PM
Originally posted by Mr. Vengeance
It's a man-made story. If you take something out of it and it enriches your life, then good.

However, those who believe it is just a book of man-made stories, shouldn't have to hear about how "God" wants us to do this that or the other thing.....especially through government.

True, but the nutbags who believe it's the LITERAL WORD of God also believe it's their DUTY to force the shit on you in order to 'save' you...almost beat the shit out of a kid in high school when I denounced Catholisim---a FundaMENTAList kid from my neighborhood heard about it and showed up on my doorstep THAT Sunday morning DEMANDING I go to church with him, because I "had to"...Needless to say he left alone, not before telling me I was "going to hell"...also 'round that time had a kid a couple of years older than me tell me "I'll kick your ass if you don't believe in God"....yeah, 'cause that's what HE'd want.....

...I've also told the story in another thread of how a Nun, when I (as a naive 11-year-old) asked why as Catholics we supposedley 'hated' Jews....she replied "It's not that we hate them, it's just that THEY'RE ALL GOING TO HELL." How Christian! :rolleyes: Not to mention the great debates I had with my ex-fiance's Bible thumping racist dad trying to use scripture to justify his hatred, and how I was "Tainting" his daughter....fucking jackasses, one and all.

FACE IT---ORGANIZED RELIGION IS EVIL.:mad:

...Ever see that episode of the Simpsons where Mrs. Flanders says "I'm going to Bible school to learn how to be more judgmental!" :D

ELVIS
10-07-2005, 06:58 PM
Originally posted by Warham
Let me explain my last post.

I'm no longer Catholic because of the way they've basically allowed man-made doctrine to supercede what the Bible has warned against people doing.

I'm still a Christian and still believe it's the Word.


That's exactly right!

I believe very much the sam as you Warham, of course you already know that...

Hang in there brother...

It's only the beginning!


:elvis:

ELVIS
10-07-2005, 07:00 PM
Originally posted by jhale667
FACE IT---ORGANIZED RELIGION IS EVIL.:mad:



As opposed to what, un-organized religion ?

You don't even know what you're babbling about...

ELVIS
10-07-2005, 07:02 PM
Originally posted by rwc
The bible was written by man to justify and unite a political power base and to implement social control. Christianity is nothing more than an emotionally abusive death cult that evolved from an amalgam of Mithraism, Judaism, Goddess worship, and Gnosis Mysticism.




Oh brother...:rolleyes:

Nickdfresh
10-07-2005, 07:26 PM
Originally posted by ELVIS
As opposed to what, un-organized religion ?

You don't even know what you're babbling about...

How about religion as Christianity originally began (before it was "Romanized" with hierarchial structures); worship as small groups gathering at different peoples' houses...

Mr. Vengeance
10-07-2005, 07:45 PM
Originally posted by jhale667
True, but the nutbags who believe it's the LITERAL WORD of God also believe it's their DUTY to force the shit on you in order to 'save' you...almost beat the shit out of a kid in high school when I denounced Catholisim---a FundaMENTAList kid from my neighborhood heard about it and showed up on my doorstep THAT Sunday morning DEMANDING I go to church with him, because I "had to"...Needless to say he left alone, not before telling me I was "going to hell"...also 'round that time had a kid a couple of years older than me tell me "I'll kick your ass if you don't believe in God"....yeah, 'cause that's what HE'd want.....

...I've also told the story in another thread of how a Nun, when I (as a naive 11-year-old) asked why as Catholics we supposedley 'hated' Jews....she replied "It's not that we hate them, it's just that THEY'RE ALL GOING TO HELL." How Christian! :rolleyes: Not to mention the great debates I had with my ex-fiance's Bible thumping racist dad trying to use scripture to justify his hatred, and how I was "Tainting" his daughter....fucking jackasses, one and all.

FACE IT---ORGANIZED RELIGION IS EVIL.:mad:

...Ever see that episode of the Simpsons where Mrs. Flanders says "I'm going to Bible school to learn how to be more judgmental!" :D

Well yeah....there is no rational thought when it comes to religious fanatics.....They are right, and anyone who disagrees with anything they say are wrong. And there's no point debating witht hem, because they won't listen.

ELVIS
10-07-2005, 07:48 PM
Originally posted by Nickdfresh
How about religion as Christianity originally began (before it was "Romanized" with hierarchial structures); worship as small groups gathering at different peoples' houses...

That's still organized, and in fact, that is exactly how approximately 50% of our local church body practices Christianity...

DLR'sCock
10-07-2005, 07:53 PM
It is amazing how so many miss the entire basic true points and meaning behind the teachings of the old and new testaments. They cling for their very lives to bits and pieces written by men that do not refelct the overall meaning of the teachings because they refelect their narrow, self centered, myopic, and ego driven beliefs. They live within the little picture trying to frame the big picture to their selfishly ego driven viewpoints.



God will always give you a chance to learn from your mistakes though. There is always hope.

Guitar Shark
10-07-2005, 08:08 PM
Originally posted by FORD
Among the "rules" listed in Leviticus is the names of the birds that you can and cannot eat.

One of those listed under the "cannot eat" category is the BAT.

Now, it's understandable that primitives like Moses and his boys might have assumed that anything with wings was a "bird".

But surely God knows better.


This post made me chuckle. :D

ELVIS
10-07-2005, 08:08 PM
Give us an example of what you're babbling about, Cock...

thome
10-07-2005, 08:09 PM
Why don't you post about something you like instead of something
you don't like and disapprove of your argument is simple enough.

Now are you going to spend countless words and hours .

On a subject you don't like, thats like, i think ill go smash my face against this tree and tell everyone how much i disapprove of face tree
smashing.
OK i get it you don't like the Bible .Who Wins ?

Are you secretly a person who wishes to spread the Good Word.
thru negative psychology?

P.S. Ding Dong, organized religion is no more EVIL or Un- EVIL or EVIL -less,(the whole concept of LIFE is EVIL) than no religion at all.

Are your statements a tool of inquiry for stimulation of Bible study?

What do these statements mean to you ?

ELVIS
10-07-2005, 08:11 PM
Originally posted by FORD
Among the "rules" listed in Leviticus is the names of the birds that you can and cannot eat.

One of those listed under the "cannot eat" category is the BAT.

Now, it's understandable that primitives like Moses and his boys might have assumed that anything with wings was a "bird".

But surely God knows better.

So how could God have made a rule which would make Him look like an idiot? :confused:

Fuck your stupid repeated attempt of trying to discredit the bible...

I think it's pathetic, Mr Christian...

Nickdfresh
10-07-2005, 08:53 PM
Originally posted by ELVIS
That's still organized, and in fact, that is exactly how approximately 50% of our local church body practices Christianity...

But they still report to, and take specific guidance from, a centralized "church body."

FORD
10-07-2005, 09:05 PM
Originally posted by ELVIS
Fuck your stupid repeated attempt of trying to discredit the bible...

I think it's pathetic, Mr Christian...

How am I "discrediting" the bible? That's what it says....

From the 11th chapter of Leviticus.....


13 And these are they which ye shall have in abomination among the fowls; they shall not be eaten, they are an abomination: the eagle, and the ossifrage, and the ospray,

14 And the vulture, and the kite after his kind;

15 Every raven after his kind;

16 And the owl, and the night hawk, and the cuckow, and the hawk after his kind,

17 And the little owl, and the cormorant, and the great owl,

18 And the swan, and the pelican, and the gier eagle,

19 And the stork, the heron after her kind, and the lapwing, and the bat.

There it is, spelled out word for word in the bible.

Now God, the creator of all things, would certainly know that bats are not birds. Furthermore, God cannot lie. Therefore God would not tell Moses and the boys that bats were birds.

Which only leaves one conclusion: God could not have written that scripture.

thome
10-07-2005, 09:14 PM
Seek out a Holy Man and You may learn something.

You look in the library when you need an answer to a academic
question Yes No

ELVIS
10-07-2005, 09:16 PM
Originally posted by Nickdfresh
But they still report to, and take specific guidance from, a centralized "church body."

That's correct...

But there is no one person telling us what to do...

There is regular Bible study where people seek deeper knowledge...

ELVIS
10-07-2005, 09:18 PM
Originally posted by FORD
Which only leaves one conclusion: God could not have written that scripture.

God didn't write any scripture...

He inspired the authors through the holy spirit, which is a form of God himself, to write everything in the bible...

FORD
10-07-2005, 09:58 PM
Originally posted by ELVIS
God didn't write any scripture...

He inspired the authors through the holy spirit, which is a form of God himself, to write everything in the bible...

And who is to say what God intended to be Scripture? He didn't have any input when those Catholic priests assembled the book in the 4th century.

Bible texts exists in different formats. Some are historical texts. Some are prophecy. Psalms & Proverbs could be considered poetry. Song of Solomon borders on softcore porn.

The Gospel texts in which Jesus Himself speaks are the closest thing we have to a direct message from God.

Leviticus itself was never intended for public consumption, even as a law book. It was written as a handbook for the Levite priesthood which was lead by Moses' brother Aaron.

Ironically enough, Christians do not keep the Kosher laws contained within Leviticus, but Muslims DO. Only they call it "Hilal". But the rules are the same. They do not eat pork or shellfish, and (as can be seen in any picture of a Muslim) they never shave..

Nickdfresh
10-07-2005, 09:59 PM
Originally posted by ELVIS
God didn't write any scripture...

He inspired the authors through the holy spirit, which is a form of God himself, to write everything in the bible...

And they fucked it up; because they're petty, hypocritical, mistake prone, jealous, hateful, chauvinistic, racist, xenophobic, power-hungry, cavalier human beings...

ELVIS
10-07-2005, 10:03 PM
Originally posted by FORD
And who is to say what God intended to be Scripture? He didn't have any input when those Catholic priests assembled the book in the 4th century.

Bible texts exists in different formats. Some are historical texts. Some are prophecy. Psalms & Proverbs could be considered poetry. Song of Solomon borders on softcore porn.

The Gospel texts in which Jesus Himself speaks are the closest thing we have to a direct message from God.

Leviticus itself was never intended for public consumption, even as a law book. It was written as a handbook for the Levite priesthood which was lead by Moses' brother Aaron.

Ironically enough, Christians do not keep the Kosher laws contained within Leviticus, but Muslims DO. Only they call it "Hilal". But the rules are the same. They do not eat pork or shellfish, and (as can be seen in any picture of a Muslim) they never shave..


Remember to tell Jesus all of that when you meet him...

ELVIS
10-07-2005, 10:04 PM
Originally posted by Nickdfresh
And they fucked it up; because they're petty, hypocritical, mistake prone, jealous, hateful, chauvinistic, racist, xenophobic, power-hungry, cavalier human beings...

You may be partially correct, but no way is it that extreme...

FORD
10-07-2005, 10:08 PM
Originally posted by ELVIS
Remember to tell Jesus all of that when you meet him...

He already knows. He's Jesus, so he knows everything, dumbass :D

ELVIS
10-07-2005, 10:09 PM
Yeah, but he's gonna want to hear it from you...

Jesus Christ
10-07-2005, 10:23 PM
Originally posted by ELVIS
Yeah, but he's gonna want to hear it from you...

I heareth everything, Gregory. :)

And FORD, do not refer to thy brother in Me as a "dumbass" :(

ELVIS
10-07-2005, 10:25 PM
He is...

rustoffa
10-07-2005, 11:02 PM
Originally posted by Warham
I'll agree that they have enough money to burn in their fireplaces during those cold winters in Italy for the rest of history. ;)


That's right, you read that here.

Unbelievable.

Five tousand fucking stars.

Seshmeister
10-08-2005, 12:40 AM
God told me to post that it's kind of funny that the people that are anti catholic are often the ones that are most literal about the bible yet have no problem about the fact that the catholics fucked with the wording for 1500 years before anyone else had a look at it.

We were giggling about it and I can confirm that God does have a sense of humor. Then again anyone that has seen a post by Lou already knew that...

Jesus Christ
10-08-2005, 04:18 AM
Originally posted by Seshmeister
God told me to post that it's kind of funny that the people that are anti catholic are often the ones that are most literal about the bible yet have no problem about the fact that the catholics fucked with the wording for 1500 years before anyone else had a look at it.

We were giggling about it and I can confirm that God does have a sense of humor. Then again anyone that has seen a post by Lou already knew that...

Verily, My son :D

BigBadBrian
10-08-2005, 01:06 PM
Originally posted by Mr. Vengeance
Well yeah....there is no rational thought when it comes to religious fanatics.....They are right, and anyone who disagrees with anything they say are wrong. And there's no point debating witht hem, because they won't listen.


Kinda like atheists and agnostics, huh? ;)

:gulp:

BigBadBrian
10-08-2005, 01:15 PM
Originally posted by Seshmeister
God told me to post that it's kind of funny that the people that are anti catholic are often the ones that are most literal about the bible yet have no problem about the fact that the catholics fucked with the wording for 1500 years before anyone else had a look at it.



Not true.

Most translations today, including the NIV and ESV, come from a wealth of sources, including ancient Aramaic, Hebrew, and Greek scrolls, writings, and texts. Most don't rely on the King James Version.

:gulp:

Pink Spider
10-08-2005, 03:27 PM
Originally posted by BigBadBrian
Kinda like atheists and agnostics, huh? ;)

:gulp:

Well, we don't proclaim silly things like the Easter bunny created New Jersey in 2 days, walked on water and is going to throw eggs at us if we don't follow his guidebook.

Seriously, why should we argue against stuff like that?

Warham
10-08-2005, 05:10 PM
Originally posted by Nickdfresh
And they fucked it up; because they're petty, hypocritical, mistake prone, jealous, hateful, chauvinistic, racist, xenophobic, power-hungry, cavalier human beings...

Just like 99.9999999% of the rest of humanity.

knuckleboner
10-09-2005, 08:06 PM
Originally posted by BigBadBrian
OK.

You'll live through it, though.



heh heh. i'm just kidding. it takes an awful lot to offend me, especially on a message board.

more than you can do, i'm afraid :D

scam failin
10-10-2005, 02:27 PM
right below jesus,paul was the pillar of the people who served christ which were named "christians".if you understood paul's wisdom and surpassing"revelations" which was the reason he was given a "thorn in the flesh"...............you wouldn't be saying he had sexual hangups.for that matter there would be no roman catholic church and or the other blasphemous organization of today called "christianity".

ODShowtime
10-10-2005, 08:19 PM
And they fucked it up; because they're petty, hypocritical, mistake prone, jealous, hateful, chauvinistic, racist, xenophobic, power-hungry, cavalier human beings...


Originally posted by Warham
Just like 99.9999999% of the rest of humanity.

I think that was the point...

Katydid
11-24-2005, 09:51 PM
Originally posted by BigBadBrian
Excellent post, Warham.

Well said.

When will people learn that you can either take religion or leave it, but if you take it, God is in control and makes the rules. Follow his doctrine or go sit on a barstool on Sunday mornings. :)

There are too many churches out that are clearly being led by man instead of God. The Catholic church now appears to be one of them. It confesses this fact in public now. Of course, I've known it for years. I just "hold my fire" just so not to offend my Catholic friends here on this board and elsewhere. Not anymore.

:gulp:

Perhaps it was good you did hold your tongue. I guess you live by the King James Verison of the Bible...the one King James had rewritten so he could marry his brother's wife, and left out all the damaging parts...
for his cause.

Jesus said, "On this rock I will build my church, and the gates of HEll shall not prevail against it." (Talking about Peter). The Vatican sits on St. Peter's Square...it has St. Peter's relics under it, and a rock with his name scratched on it as a cornerstone. Paul didn't come until after Christ died, and maybe Peter had been beheaded.

Katydid
11-24-2005, 09:54 PM
Vatican 11 happened...that is what happened. The Church was made more User Friendly so Protestants could feel more welcome...

Now you go into the church and all the other religions who have joined are busy whispering and talking out loud before mass. Catholics use that time to pray and meditate...guess they didn't tell them that.

Romeo Delight
11-24-2005, 10:27 PM
Originally posted by Warham
Let me explain my last post.

I'm no longer Catholic because of the way they've basically allowed man-made doctrine to supercede what the Bible has warned against people doing.

It'll eventually lead into them probably disregarding the Bible entirely and having their members follow their directives, which probably will have some grand sinister agenda behind them.

I'm still a Christian and still believe it's the Word.

Could Warham or Elvis please explain in the plainest of terms for non-Christians why they believe that a book written by man or men with agendas unknown should be followed?

The Bible itself is "man-made doctrine" is it not?

It would be one thing if the Bible was made of titanium, and foung at the top of a mountain or some shit, created by God for man to adhere to its rules and teachings, but it is not.

Seriously, explain to me how something written by man can be the word? Confusing...

Romeo Delight
11-24-2005, 10:35 PM
Originally posted by ELVIS
God didn't write any scripture...

He inspired the authors through the holy spirit, which is a form of God himself, to write everything in the bible...


Oh, sorry...I found my "answer". How could I have been so misguided??

I find it difficult to put that much faith in other humans.

I admire you for the clarity in your life, but the issue is that this leap of faith has no place in the school system...Sunday is enough.

FORD
11-25-2005, 04:13 AM
Originally posted by DavidFlamma

It would be one thing if the Bible was made of titanium, and foung at the top of a mountain or some shit

No, that would be the Book of Mormon.

FORD
11-25-2005, 04:32 AM
Originally posted by Katydid
Paul didn't come until after Christ died, and maybe Peter had been beheaded.

That's not correct. Paul came into the church when most of the original Apostles were still alive, including Peter and James (Jesus' half-brother) who were considered the leaders of the movement at the time.

Naturally, they didn't trust Paul at first, since his resume consisted of killing Christians out of hatred. If the internet had existed, Saul of Tarsus would have owned the domain "www.godhateschristians.com"

After seeing Paul in action, Peter & James were convinced that Paul's conversion was legit.

As for Peter's death, it isn't mentioned specifically anywhere in the Bible, but Catholic tradition says he was crucified. But not exactly like Jesus. Peter appaarently told the Romans that he was "not worthy" to die the same way Christ did, so the Romans hung him on an upside down cross out of spite. This upside down cross is still used in Catholic symbolism, even on our local hospital (St. Peter's, naturally)

Which is I'm surprised that a lifelong Catholic like yourself wouldn't know these things already.......