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ELVIS
10-11-2005, 08:34 AM
by TYSK (http://www.tysknews.com/TyskWorks/the_liberal_left.htm)



The liberal left is neither a singular entity nor even a single group or organization. Liberalism is a mindset just as conservatism is a mindset. For the average liberal there is not one "goal" or outcome for which they strive.

I am sure that most individuals afflicted with a liberal mindset would be unable to name any particular goal for their beliefs. It is in many ways like a religion ... a set of pre-defined attitudes and opinions by which they make decisions in life. Most often these attitudes and opinions are not of their own formation or arrived at through considered thought. Instead, they are learned from others' repeated pronouncements of them. Those making these statements often have come to learn them in the same way. Much the same as fables and Bible stories are passed down from generation to generation. Unfortunately many of the "proclaimers" are entrenched in the schools and colleges and their views are imbedded in impressionable minds not yet skilled in giving these ideas critical examination.

The key to the successful spread of liberalism is specifically its lack of critical thought on the results of liberal ideas and solutions for society's problems. In fact, to be judgmental or to offer analysis of liberal prescriptions is in itself considered being anti-liberal. Just as a critic of any religious denomination is labeled a heretic, so too critics of liberalism are labeled uninformed or unenlightened. In other words you must take their beliefs and accept them even if they are contradictory or counterproductive.

In order to accept liberalism a person must operate on an emotional level almost exclusively. Persons steeped in logic or the physical sciences are far less likely to be swept into the liberal camp. In addition, as people age and experience the trials of life and reflect on the cause-and-effect relationship of events they tend to become less liberal and more conservative in their thinking.

"Any man under 30 who is not a liberal has no heart, and any man over 30 who is not a conservative has no brains." — Winston Churchill†

Tragically, this means our young are the most vulnerable to liberal indoctrination. Whether by design or happenstance, it is a fact that the teaching profession has a history of attracting persons of a liberal, or leftist, ideology. This places them precisely where they need to be in order to spread their philosophy.

The tenth plank of the Communist Manifesto states, "Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of children's factory labor in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production, etc." — Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels – 1848

While most practitioners of liberalism have no true goals or agendas for their beliefs, those in position to affect public policy often do have such goals. The common liberal is but a pawn in the ongoing struggle between socialism and freedom. Those in power on the left know that our system of representative democracy enables them to pursue their statist agenda by winning over the majority of the voting public to their positions and candidates. They are well aware that most people have little time or inclination to study about or give great thought to important matters of the day. Instead, large numbers of voters cast their ballots based purely on emotional terms ... the very heart of liberalism's appeal.

(One could argue that the average conservative is no less a pawn for those on the right. Yet, by definition, a conservative arrives at his beliefs through the process of critical thought. As such, he is much less likely to be swayed by wrong-headed proposals even should they be offered up as "conservative". Most conservatives will weigh issues and solutions on their individual merits and only then decide if they are worthy of support.)

The true agenda of the left is statism or control of the society by a small elite group. They are a patient lot and willing to achieve their goals over a long period of time through seemingly minor and incremental changes in the laws and attitudes of the nation. Through the constant hammering of emotion driven issues — education, the environment, child safety, gun control, nuclear war, etc. — they gradually affect the laws and policies that govern our society. All the while moving us closer to their goal of a nation of serfs working for the benefit of the powerful few that will control every aspect of a citizen's life.


:elvis:

Seshmeister
10-11-2005, 09:18 AM
Jesus was a communist

BigBadBrian
10-11-2005, 09:47 AM
Originally posted by Seshmeister
Jesus was a communist

Jesus was a Carpenter and was NOT in a union.

:gulp:

Seshmeister
10-11-2005, 10:24 AM
Jesus would be thrown out of many unions these days for being a commie.

Communism is the elimination of private property, a system in which goods are owned as common property. The communist wants property and wealth to be commonly shared.

"Take all that you own and sell it, then give your money to the poor and follow me." Jesus - Mark 10:20

But this is consistent with many of Jesus' other sayings and with his lifestyle. "Blessed are the poor, but woe to the rich." (Luke 6). Also remember what Jesus instructed the religious man: "Sell all that you own and give the money to the poor." (Luke 18). As for his lifestyle, we know that he traveled around a lot in his very few years of work. But he did not travel alone; he had several groups with him: the 12 disciples or apostles; a retinue of women that followed him about (and no doubt some had children); his mother and brothers and sisters were frequently with him; and another retinue of "disciples" who at one point is counted as 70. Over a hundred people followed Jesus around. ... All of this was therefore evidently organized and even by modern terms should be recognized as quite an impressive operation. ... The point is: All shared and shared alike.

Perhaps it is not absolutely clear, but in the case of the early church it is so stated. After Jesus' death, his original disciples form the early church. Now we find that all property and wealth was handled in a communal (communist) fashion.

"The church of believers were of one heart and soul, and none claimed anything as belonging to himself, all property was common property. ... There was not one needy among them, because those who owned land or houses sold them and brought the monies to the apostles, and they would distribute it to whoever had a need." (Acts 4).

You right wing 'christians' are laughable. You spend your lives entirely mssing the central tenet of Jesus teachings yet kid yourselves completely.

lesfunk
10-11-2005, 10:57 AM
Originally posted by Seshmeister
Jesus was a communist
And just look where that got him...:rolleyes:

knuckleboner
10-11-2005, 11:55 AM
Originally posted by ELVIS
by TYSK (http://www.tysknews.com/TyskWorks/the_liberal_left.htm)

All the while moving us closer to their goal of a nation of serfs working for the benefit of the powerful few that will control every aspect of a citizen's life.




that's funny. marx felt that was an inevitability of capitalism. he was trying to avoid that fate, through communism...

Seshmeister
10-11-2005, 12:00 PM
Originally posted by lesfunk
And just look where that got him...:rolleyes:

Indeed.

I'm not a Communist or a Christian.

The teachings of Jesus in the bible are pure communism not to be confused with what ended up in Russia and elsewhere.

I think this is the reason that a lot of God Botherers in the US seem to preach Paul more than Jesus.

lesfunk
10-11-2005, 12:04 PM
I like that, "God Botherers". I'm Not sure what it means, but It sounds good. It would make a great band name.:)

Seshmeister
10-11-2005, 12:12 PM
A god botherer is someone that pushes their faith down everyone elses throat.

I just looked and you were right, there is a UK metal band called 'God Botherer!!!'

ELVIS
10-11-2005, 12:18 PM
That's a bit of a mouthful...

FORD
10-11-2005, 12:22 PM
And this editorial is a "mouthful" of bullshit.

Seshmeister
10-11-2005, 12:27 PM
Originally posted by ELVIS
That's a bit of a mouthful...

A common complaint amongst catholic choirboys...:)

scamper
10-11-2005, 12:48 PM
Originally posted by Seshmeister
A god botherer is someone that pushes their faith down everyone elses throat.

It seems like there is always someone trying to shove their beliefs down everyone elses throat no matter what it is. I don't see where a god botherer is any worse than anyone who spews political propaganda.

ELVIS
10-11-2005, 12:58 PM
A Liberal Botherer...

FORD
10-11-2005, 01:31 PM
Originally posted by BigBadBrian
Jesus was a Carpenter and was NOT in a union.

:gulp:

That's because He worked for His stepdad (and later Himself) and not for a corporation who was trying to rip Him off :cool:

scamper
10-11-2005, 01:48 PM
Originally posted by FORD
That's because He worked for His stepdad (and later Himself) and not for a corporation who was trying to rip Him off :cool:


What kind of health insurance do you think he had?

Warham
10-11-2005, 02:35 PM
I like that Winston Churchill character.

Nickdfresh
10-11-2005, 02:55 PM
Originally posted by scamper
What kind of health insurance do you think he had?

The dude could heal lepers and raise the dead, why would he need heath or dental?

FORD
10-11-2005, 03:14 PM
Originally posted by scamper
What kind of health insurance do you think he had?

He was self-insured. Which works OK if you're the Son of God and never have to worry about health care costs.

BigBadBrian
10-11-2005, 03:17 PM
Originally posted by Warham
I like that Winston Churchill character.

That's because he was half American. ;)

BigBadBrian
10-11-2005, 03:20 PM
Originally posted by Seshmeister
A god botherer is someone that pushes their faith down everyone elses throat.

I just looked and you were right, there is a UK metal band called 'God Botherer!!!'

No one is trying to shove anything down anyone's throat.

It's that slippery slope thing.

Sesh, you have an extremely jaded view of America when you are not even here. Don't even think that liberal media gives you a balanced picture.

:gulp: