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Hardrock69
10-21-2005, 04:16 PM
In two speeches to overflow crowds in New York last weekend, notable theologian David Ray Griffin argued that recently revealed evidence seals the case that the Twin Towers and WTC-7 were destroyed by controlled demolition with explosives. Despite the many enduring mysteries of the 9/11 attacks, Dr. Griffin concluded, "It is already possible to know, beyond a reasonable doubt, one very important thing: the destruction of the World Trade Center was an inside job, orchestrated by terrorists within our own government."

On Oct. 15th and 16th, New Yorkers filled two venues to hear the prominent theologian and author of two books on 9/11 give a presentation entitled "The Destruction of the Trade Towers: A Christian Theologian Speaks Out." Dr. Griffin has continued to blaze a trail of courage, leading where most media and elected officials have feared to tread. His presentation went straight to the core of one of the most powerful indictments of the official story, the collapse of the towers and WTC 7.

Dr. Griffin included excerpts from the firemenís tapes which were recently released as a result of a prolonged court battle led by victimís families represented by attorney Norman Siegel and reported in the NY Times. He also included statements by many witnesses. These sources gave ample testimony giving evidence of explosions going off in the buildings. A 12 minute film was shown for the audiences, who saw for themselves the undeniable evidence for controlled demolition.

Dr. Griffin listed ten characteristics of the collapses which all indicate that the buildings did not fall due to being struck by planes or the ensuing fires. He explained the buildings fell suddenly without any indication of collapse. They fell straight into their own footprint at free-fall speed, meeting virtually no resistance as they fell--a physical impossibility unless all vertical support was being progressively removed by explosives severing the core columns.

The towers were built to withstand the impact of a Boeing 707 and 160 mile per hour winds, and nothing about the plane crashes or ensuing fires gave any indication of causing the kind of damage that would be necessary to trigger even a partial or progressive collapse, much less the shredding of the buildings into dust and fragments that could drop at free-fall speed.

The massive core columns--the most significant structural feature of the buildings, whose very existence is denied in the official 9/11 Commission Report--were severed into uniform 30 foot sections, just right for the 30-foot trucks used to remove them quickly before a real investigation could transpire.

There was a volcanic-like dust cloud from the concrete being pulverized, and no physical mechanism other than explosives can begin to explain how so much of the buildings' concrete was rendered into extremely fine dust. The debris was ejected horizontally several hundred feet in huge fan shaped plumes stretching in all directions, with telltale "squibs" following the path of the explosives downward.

These are all facts that have been avoided by mainstream and even most of the alternative media. Again, these are characteristics of the kind of controlled demolitions that news people and firefighters were describing on the morning of 9/11. Those multiple first-person descriptions of controlled demolition were hidden away for almost four years by the City of New York until a lawsuit finally forced the city to release them. Dr. Griffin's study of these accounts has led him beyond his earlier questioning of the official story of the collapses, to his above-quoted conclusion: The destruction of the three WTC buildings with explosives by US government terrorists is no longer a hypothesis, but a fact that has been proved beyond a reasonable doubt.

Itís important to note that Dr. Griffin is one of many prominent intellectuals--including the likes of Gore Vidal, Howard Zinn, Peter Dale Scott, Richard Falk, Paul Craig Roberts, Morgan Reynolds and Peter Phillips--who have seen through the major discrepancies of the official explanation of 9/11 and have risen to challenge it. These brave individuals represent the tip of an ever-growing iceberg of discreet 9/11 skeptics. Indeed, 9/11 skepticism appears to be almost universal among intellectuals who have examined the evidence, since there has not yet been a single serious attempt to refute the case developed by Dr. Griffin and such like-minded thinkers as Nafeez Ahmed and Mike Ruppert. As for the general public, polls have shown that a strong majority of Canadians (63%, Toronto Star, May '04) and half of New Yorkers (Zogby, August 2004) agree that top US leaders conspired to murder nearly 3,000 Americans on 9/11/01.

How, then, can the mainstream US media continue to ignore the story of the century? Perhaps the best answer was given by Dr. Griffin himself in the conclusion of his talk, and is worth quoting at length:

"The evidence for this conclusion (that 9/11 was an inside job) has thus far been largely ignored by the mainstream press, perhaps under the guise of obeying President Bushís advice not to tolerate "outrageous conspiracy theories." We have seen, however, that it is the Bush administrationís conspiracy theory that is the outrageous one, because it is violently contradicted by numerous facts, including some basic laws of physics.

"There is, of course, another reason why the mainstream press has not pointed out these contradictions. As a recent letter to the Los Angeles Times said:

"'The number of contradictions in the official version of . . . 9/11 is so overwhelming that . . . it simply cannot be believed. Yet . . . the official version cannot be abandoned because the implication of rejecting it is far too disturbing: that we are subject to a government conspiracy of "X-Files" proportions and insidiousness.'

"The implications are indeed disturbing. Many people who know or at least suspect the truth about 9/11 probably believe that revealing it would be so disturbing to the American psyche, the American form of government, and global stability that it is better to pretend to believe the official version. I would suggest, however, that any merit this argument may have had earlier has been overcome by more recent events and realizations. Far more devastating to the American psyche, the American form of government, and the world as a whole will be the continued rule of those who brought us 9/11, because the values reflected in that horrendous event have been reflected in the Bush administrationís lies to justify the attack on Iraq, its disregard for environmental science and the Bill of Rights, its criminal negligence both before and after Katrina, and now its apparent plan not only to weaponize space but also to authorize the use of nuclear weapons in a preemptive strike.

"In light of this situation and the facts discussed in this lecture---as well as dozens of more problems in the official account of 9/11 discussed elsewhere---I call on the New York Times to take the lead in finally exposing to the American people and the world the truth about 9/11. Taking the lead on such a story will, of course, involve enormous risks. But if there is any news organization with the power, the prestige, and the credibility to break this story, it is the Times. It performed yeoman service in getting the 9/11 oral histories released. But now the welfare of our republic and perhaps even the survival of our civilization depend on getting the truth about 9/11 exposed. I am calling on the Times to rise to the occasion.

Dr. Griffinís speech given at the University of Wisconsin earlier this year, entitled "9/11 and the American Empire," was broadcast twice on C-SPAN. In late September Dr. Griffin was asked to give expert testimony at hearings sponsored by Cynthia McKinney and the Congressional Black Caucus investigating the 9/11 Commission Report. He is currently Professor Emeritus at Claremont College in California.

This weekend's events were sponsored by NY911truth.org, WBAI and the Muslim-Christian-Jewish Alliance for 9/11 Truth: http://mujca.com.

Kevin Barrett
Coordinator, MUJCA-NET
http://mujca.com

knuckleboner
10-21-2005, 04:21 PM
hmmm...to drag out the logic, or let this one collapse under its own weight...i'm going to have to go with collapse.

ELVIS
10-21-2005, 05:14 PM
Or maybe I should just take this bullshit thread out with a controlled demolition...

FORD
10-21-2005, 05:21 PM
Originally posted by ELVIS
Or maybe I should just take this bullshit thread out with a controlled demolition...

I don't think so.....

Is Dr. Griffin on tour? I'd be very interested in hearing him speak. And I hope he isn't travelling anywhere by small plane.

ELVIS
10-21-2005, 05:35 PM
He obviously should know better...:rolleyes:

FORD
10-21-2005, 05:41 PM
Originally posted by ELVIS
He obviously should know better...:rolleyes:

Why are you so quick to dismiss the research of a brother in Christ?

Warham
10-21-2005, 05:52 PM
Let's get the tin foil out.

Nickdfresh
10-21-2005, 06:19 PM
I noticed the researcher is a theologian and not an engineer....

stilleddiesangel
10-21-2005, 07:22 PM
So whats the likelyhood of his info actually being correct?

ELVIS
10-21-2005, 07:54 PM
Not very...

FORD
10-21-2005, 08:12 PM
A lot more likely than the pathetic "offiical story"

stilleddiesangel
10-21-2005, 08:26 PM
I'm open minded. Stranger things have happened.

ELVIS
10-21-2005, 08:55 PM
Originally posted by ELVIS
Not very...

No, i meant NOT FUCKING AT ALL !!!

ELVIS
10-21-2005, 08:56 PM
Originally posted by FORD
A lot more likely than the pathetic "offiical story"

BULLSHIT!

PLANES HIT THE TOWERS AND THEY FELL !!

Nickdfresh
10-21-2005, 08:59 PM
I don't know why such otherwise sensible, intelligent people buy this total "inside job" conspiracy B.S. It's crap and far more unlikely and implausible than the basic, overall "official version."

ELVIS
10-21-2005, 09:02 PM
That we saw on live TV...

Warham
10-21-2005, 09:06 PM
Originally posted by Nickdfresh
I don't know why such otherwise sensible, intelligent people buy this total "inside job" conspiracy B.S. It's crap and far more unlikely and implausible than the basic, overall "official version."

We might agree on this subject more than any other! ;)

Nickdfresh
10-21-2005, 09:11 PM
This maybe the only FRONTLINE subject we agree on.:D

FORD
10-21-2005, 09:23 PM
Originally posted by ELVIS
BULLSHIT!

PLANES HIT THE TOWERS AND THEY FELL !!

Yes. Two seperate events that weren't neccessarily connected, except by their roles in a greater overall plan.

Hardrock69
10-21-2005, 11:24 PM
It is simple.

Elvis is living in NeoCon Fantasy-land with Big Bad Brucie & Warham, having a continual delusional circlejerk with each other, as for them to actually have to face reality might cause them to have a breakdown and wind up in a nice padded cell with a custom fitted jacket with very long sleeves.

:D

ELVIS
10-22-2005, 05:03 AM
Me ???

Look at you !!!

Warham
10-22-2005, 10:23 AM
Originally posted by Hardrock69
It is simple.

Elvis is living in NeoCon Fantasy-land with Big Bad Brucie & Warham, having a continual delusional circlejerk with each other, as for them to actually have to face reality might cause them to have a breakdown and wind up in a nice padded cell with a custom fitted jacket with very long sleeves.

:D

::yawn::

When you are ready to start, let me know.

Hardrock69
10-24-2005, 01:37 AM
Start what?

You guys refuse to face reality.

As a result you only cause yourselves to appear to be less than intelligent.

:cool:

thome
10-24-2005, 10:39 PM
Posting Weekly World News articles in the Front is beneath you 69, Damn Man.

I know what your doing its not necessary.

FORD
10-25-2005, 01:04 AM
Originally posted by thome
Posting Weekly World News articles in the Front is beneath you 69, Damn Man.



Nah, that's Matt White's gig ;)

Nickdfresh
10-25-2005, 01:15 AM
Inside job my ass. Sorry guys.
http://www.triton.nu/albums/pics/aw_jeez_not_this_shit_again.thumb.jpg

Cathedral
10-25-2005, 01:30 AM
Originally posted by Hardrock69
It is simple.

Elvis is living in NeoCon Fantasy-land with Big Bad Brucie & Warham, having a continual delusional circlejerk with each other, as for them to actually have to face reality might cause them to have a breakdown and wind up in a nice padded cell with a custom fitted jacket with very long sleeves.

:D

Reality?
The reality is anyone's guess, and that's exactly all anyone has on this is a guess, or theory as it were.
But well scripted theories, though impressive, hardly contain the facts so it is pretty much subjective.

What really happened?
Sorry to say, but neither you or I or any theologian could possibly ever know exactly, except for those involved.

I know what i saw, I know what the engineer who built the towers said about the collapse, and i know what investigators said about it as well.

The towers weren't odd shaped on top and the foundations were firmly planted and if the planes couldn't knock them over on impact, why would they fall any other way but straight down?

The towers were also made up of sections, and if an entire section were to collapse it would create to much weight for the one below it and so on and so on creating a domino factor that resembles a controlled demolition.
For crying out loud, didn't Santa ever bring you a set of Lincoln Logs?
How about erector sets? Anyone?

Not one of us can face the reality of this because none of us knows what the reality really was, that's the reality of it.

Besides, if it was going to be pinned on Terrorism they didn't even need to fly planes into them.
Thye could have made up any story like, 12 terrorists took a year of demolition and infiltrated the buildings to plant the charges, yadda yadda yadda.....the logic is warped if you ask me.

FORD
10-25-2005, 01:31 AM
Originally posted by Nickdfresh
Inside job my ass. Sorry guys.
http://www.triton.nu/albums/pics/aw_jeez_not_this_shit_again.thumb.jpg

Osama Bin Laden the terrorist was a creation of the Bush Criminal Empire. So the root cause of 9/11 is the BCE anyway you look at it.

The only thing that's arguable is the degree of their involvement in the current operation.

At the very least, we have Cheney personally supervising "drills" on the morning of 9-11-01 which just happenned to prevent the military from properly responding to the REAL attack. Now either that's one flaming HELL of a coincidence, or the attack was carried out by someone who knew of the drills. I don't believe those schedules were made public.

As the original post said, even the half assed Warren Commision 2K "investigation" actually did NOTHUING to investigate the attacks themselves. The American people deserve a complete and thourough investigation, independent of the BCE, and at this point, even congressional Democrats, or at least the ones affiliated with the DLC.

Also, nobody even 7 degrees from Kevin fucking Bacon involved with PNAC, AIPAC or any other Likudist front should be involved.

How about appointing a grand jury of the PEOPLE, including some non corrupted experts in the relevant fields (airplanes, skyscraper construction, etc.)

DLR'sCock
10-25-2005, 01:31 AM
Whether or not it was an inside job, it would be quite foolish to not believe that one's own Gov't would betray you and murder it's own people, no matter who they are. People run Gov'ts, friends and family betray and murder each other all of the time within our mortal coil, so it is a possibility that such an event could occur, sicne they have occured in the past. Humans are weak in nature and desire power.....and are more than willing to gain more and more power....the search for power over others is what it is....


At the same time, it is another thing to believe something so easily without sufficient evidence. Human beings are not truth seekers in nature if the truth is about oneself, at whatever level of representation that may be. It is always easier to search about the truth of others as opposed to oneself.



Truth or not? Only the ones who truly know, know teh absolute truth...

I will accept the official version for now, but I would not ever rule out the possibility completely either....

FORD
10-25-2005, 01:34 AM
Originally posted by Cathedral

For crying out loud, didn't Santa ever bring you a set of Lincoln Logs?
How about erector sets? Anyone?



All my Lincoln Logs, Legos, and Erector set parts combined wouldn't be enough to build 2 110 story towers.

Cathedral
10-25-2005, 01:43 AM
Ok Mr. Literal, lol, The point was that anyone who built shit should have some concept of the physics involved, just on a much lower scale.

But hey, I do like the idea of building twin towers out of lego's.

It's all about the foundation, bro, and it wasn't about to tilt to one side or the other.

The planes did the damage, gravity did the rest, case closed.

Warham
10-25-2005, 07:01 AM
Originally posted by FORD
How about appointing a grand jury of the PEOPLE, including some non corrupted experts in the relevant fields (airplanes, skyscraper construction, etc.)

As long as they weren't prone to believing in ridiculous conspiracy theories, sure, let's have 12 well rounded folks hear the facts. I'm sure they'll come up with the same conclusion the official investigation did. Now, if you bring in a bunch of people who still believe Elvis is alive in Michigan, they might come up with the conclusion you are looking for.

diamondD
10-25-2005, 08:22 AM
Which brings us to the most irrelevant comparison FORD's ever made. And that's saying a lot. ;)

Nickdfresh
10-25-2005, 08:57 AM
Originally posted by FORD
Osama Bin Laden the terrorist was a creation of the Bush Criminal Empire. So the root cause of 9/11 is the BCE anyway you look at it.

The only thing that's arguable is the degree of their involvement in the current operation.

I agree to some extent that Bin LADEN received money and training from the CIA, and even more importantly, that the CIA opened the doors and enabled the SAUDI cunts to fund the extremist religious factions in the mujahideen; this effectively turned a pro-Western, anti-Communist resistance movement into twisted factions of fanatics bent on applying this endless warfare to all aspects of Arab life after the Soviets withdrew in '89. BTW, American Neo Cons have much the same attitudes as these cunts (of delusional Utopianism mixed in with the contradictory emphasis on endless struggle against a common enemy to unite and to quash dissent).

But it is a big jump to equate America's passive ignorance at allowing a Frankenstein monster to arise, and to say we somehow actively colluded with him. The truth is that Bin Dickhead had little to do with 9/11. Its planning lay elsewhere, by other, smarter people like Khalid Sheik Mohammed controlling very small groups of well trained, highly motivated people.


At the very least, we have Cheney personally supervising "drills" on the morning of 9-11-01 which just happenned to prevent the military from properly responding to the REAL attack. Now either that's one flaming HELL of a coincidence, or the attack was carried out by someone who knew of the drills. I don't believe those schedules were made public.

Okay, here's my beliefs on 9/11. I think the Bush Administration was well aware that some sort of terrorist attack involving airliners was imminent (they had 52 separate warnings between April and August alone, and they consciously and actively chose to do nothing, even preventing the FBI from following up on these threats). This was done in order to spark the endless fear and Homeland Security mantra. But much like the passengers on three out of four of the hijacked flights, the Admin thought that these would be run of the mill hijackings, or destruction of airliners in mid flight at worst, not suicide cruise missile attacks on the WTC and Pentagon. I think that would explain BUSH's befuddled expression during his first hearing of the attacks...


As the original post said, even the half assed Warren Commision 2K "investigation" actually did NOTHUING to investigate the attacks themselves. The American people deserve a complete and thourough investigation, independent of the BCE, and at this point, even congressional Democrats, or at least the ones affiliated with the DLC.

I agree that they have buried some things...


Also, nobody even 7 degrees from Kevin fucking Bacon involved with PNAC, AIPAC or any other Likudist front should be involved.

How about appointing a grand jury of the PEOPLE, including some non corrupted experts in the relevant fields (airplanes, skyscraper construction, etc.)

I agree to some extent, but the fact is that unbiased, unaffiliated engineers have come to the conclusions that the fires raging from the tons of jet fuel caused the steel to buckle and to lose it's strength causing a chain reaction collapse.

BTW, those buildings were also not designed to hold the weight of an airliner each...

Guitar Shark
10-25-2005, 11:22 AM
You're fighting a losing battle Nick as you will never convert him. But, I admire your effort.

Nickdfresh
10-25-2005, 11:33 AM
Originally posted by Guitar Shark
You're fighting a losing battle Nick as you will never convert him. But, I admire your effort.

You know, we're the only sane, rational people that regularly post in this forum...

ashstralia
10-25-2005, 11:41 AM
Originally posted by Nickdfresh
You know, we're the only sane, rational people that regularly post in this forum...

i resemble that remark!!!!