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Hardrock69
11-08-2005, 10:10 AM
http://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle_east/article325560.ece
http://www.livejournal.com/users/mparent7777/4230954.html



By Peter Popham
Published: 08 November 2005

Powerful new evidence emerged yesterday that the United States dropped massive quantities of white phosphorus on the Iraqi city of Fallujah during the attack on the city in November 2004, killing insurgents and civilians with the appalling burns that are the signature of this weapon.

Ever since the assault, which went unreported by any Western journalists, rumours have swirled that the Americans used chemical weapons on the city.

On 10 November last year, the Islam Online website wrote: "US troops are reportedly using chemical weapons and poisonous gas in its large-scale offensive on the Iraqi resistance bastion of Fallujah, a grim reminder of Saddam Hussein's alleged gassing of the Kurds in 1988."

The website quoted insurgent sources as saying: "The US occupation troops are gassing resistance fighters and confronting them with internationally banned chemical weapons."

In December the US government formally denied the reports, describing them as "widespread myths". "Some news accounts have claimed that US forces have used 'outlawed' phosphorus shells in Fallujah," the USinfo website said. "Phosphorus shells are not outlawed. US forces have used them very sparingly in Fallujah, for illumination purposes.

"They were fired into the air to illuminate enemy positions at night, not at enemy fighters."

But now new information has surfaced, including hideous photographs and videos and interviews with American soldiers who took part in the Fallujah attack, which provides graphic proof that phosphorus shells were widely deployed in the city as a weapon.

In a documentary to be broadcast by RAI, the Italian state broadcaster, this morning, a former American soldier who fought at Fallujah says: "I heard the order to pay attention because they were going to use white phosphorus on Fallujah. In military jargon it's known as Willy Pete.

"Phosphorus burns bodies, in fact it melts the flesh all the way down to the bone ... I saw the burned bodies of women and children. Phosphorus explodes and forms a cloud. Anyone within a radius of 150 metres is done for."

Photographs on the website of RaiTG24, the broadcaster's 24-hours news channel, www.rainews24.it, show exactly what the former soldier means. Provided by the Studies Centre of Human Rights in Fallujah, dozens of high-quality, colour close-ups show bodies of Fallujah residents, some still in their beds, whose clothes remain largely intact but whose skin has been dissolved or caramelised or turned the consistency of leather by the shells.

A biologist in Fallujah, Mohamad Tareq, interviewed for the film, says: "A rain of fire fell on the city, the people struck by this multi-coloured substance started to burn, we found people dead with strange wounds, the bodies burned but the clothes intact."

The documentary, entitled Fallujah: the Hidden Massacre, also provides what it claims is clinching evidence that incendiary bombs known as Mark 77, a new, improved form of napalm, was used in the attack on Fallujah, in breach of the UN Convention on Certain Conventional Weapons of 1980, which only allows its use against military targets.

Meanwhile, five US soldiers from the elite 75th Ranger Regiment have been charged with kicking and punching detainees in Iraq.

The news came as a suicide car bomber killed four American soldiers at a checkpoint south of Baghdad yesterday.

FORD
11-08-2005, 10:16 AM
Heard about this yesterday, and it fucking sickened me. Those Chimp/Hitler comparisons are becoming more literal all the time.

Melting flesh of civilians. Torturing prisoners of war. To quote David Bowie, "This is not America" :mad:

BigBadBrian
11-08-2005, 10:23 AM
BULLSHIT
BULLSHIT
BULLSHIT
BULLSHIT


Willie Pete is a valid weapon in the inventory of all western armies.

I suppose the Insurgent/Anti-War/Liberal/Democrat coalition will be whining about the US troops using bullets next?

:gulp:

LoungeMachine
11-08-2005, 10:25 AM
Originally posted by BigBadBrian
BULLSHIT
BULLSHIT
BULLSHIT
BULLSHIT

could you please provide your link supporting the claim this is bullshit?

FORD
11-08-2005, 10:26 AM
If you burn someone alive, you burn them alive. How is burning them with chemicals in the street any better than throwing them in an oven?

BigBadBrian
11-08-2005, 10:26 AM
Originally posted by LoungeMachine
could you please provide your link supporting the claim this is bullshit?

You got me while I was still editting.

:gulp:

BigBadBrian
11-08-2005, 10:30 AM
Originally posted by FORD
If you burn someone alive, you burn them alive. How is burning them with chemicals in the street any better than throwing them in an oven?

War is war.

Fallujah was a battleground.

White phosphorous is a legal weapon.

There is no proof of the "poison gas" claims.

Anything to disparage US troops from "THE LEFT."

You fucking bastards disgust me.

:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

lesfunk
11-08-2005, 10:49 AM
Well They certainly didn't do a very good job. There still appears to be a lot of them Towel Head monkeys still trotting around.

Hardrock69
11-08-2005, 11:40 AM
Originally posted by BigBadBrian


There is no proof of the "poison gas" claims.

You fucking bastards disgust me.

:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

There is no proof there was no "gas" used.

Not only that, how do we disgust you?

We did not write the articles for the above mentioned newspapers....

Yet you seem to think we did.

Brian, get back on the Short-Bus.

:rolleyes:

Hardrock69
11-08-2005, 12:13 PM
Download the full documentary "Fallujah: The Hidden Massacre"
HERE (http://www.rainews24.rai.it/ran24/inchiesta/video/fallujah_ING.wmv)

ELVIS
11-08-2005, 12:29 PM
Originally posted by Hardrock69
There is no proof there was no "gas" used.



Give us a fucking break...:rolleyes:

Hardrock69
11-08-2005, 12:32 PM
Ah so you are saying it is true then?

Hmmm...another defector from the Short Bus?

thome
11-08-2005, 12:34 PM
Cops use poison gas everyday .

Women carry it on key chains.

When someone uses Nuclear, Radiological ,Biological ,weapons call me.

These kinda articles are incindiary and used to produce bad reactions.

When will someone in this forum realize the manipulation of the
minds of the general public by the Press as the true reason this
world is at each others throats all day long Wake -Up!! my op

If you dont know this reality you are part of the problem.

lesfunk
11-08-2005, 12:51 PM
i agree with that

Seshmeister
11-08-2005, 12:57 PM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/education/asguru/generalstudies/culture/04news/images/phan_thi_kim_phuc2.jpg

ELVIS
11-08-2005, 01:04 PM
Nice pic...

Seshmeister
11-08-2005, 01:05 PM
Originally posted by BigBadBrian
War is war.

Fallujah was a battleground.


And who the fuck made it into one?

Maybe NYC was a battleground on 9-11?


Originally posted by BigBadBrian


White phosphorous is a legal weapon.




What the fuck has legal to do with it when your country doesn't adhere to the international courts, stands virtually alone in not banning land mines and tortures people.

You are using the same defence Saddam will, we made the law so we can't break it.

Or maybe it was 'Smart Phosphorus' that melted children?

ELVIS
11-08-2005, 01:09 PM
Originally posted by Seshmeister
You are using the same defence Saddam will, we made the law so we can't break it.



If Saddam's lawyers are smart, they will use the liberal agenda and he will walk...

Nickdfresh
11-08-2005, 01:12 PM
Originally posted by BigBadBrian
War is war.

Fallujah was a battleground.

White phosphorous is a legal weapon.

There is no proof of the "poison gas" claims.

Anything to disparage US troops from "THE LEFT."

You fucking bastards disgust me.

:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

If phosphorous weapons are 'legal" BRIAN, why did they use it for "illumination?"

Just asking?

Has anyone else hear seen a phosphorous bomb go off?

Seshmeister
11-08-2005, 01:12 PM
Originally posted by BigBadBrian

You fucking bastards disgust me.

:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:


http://mindprod.com/images/iraqburnedbaby.jpg

Hardrock69
11-08-2005, 01:16 PM
Originally posted by Hardrock69

In December the US government formally denied the reports, describing them as "widespread myths".


Ok. There you have it.

The government denies this stuff.

Elvis? Why should we believe them.

BigBadBrucie? You are free to comment as well.

Why whould we believe them?

twonabomber
11-08-2005, 01:16 PM
i'm supposed to cry over a kid who's just gonna grow up to be a suicide bomber?

Nickdfresh
11-08-2005, 01:17 PM
Originally posted by ELVIS
Nice pic...

What a good Christian you are....Bomb any abortion clinics lately to "save the (whites only) babies?"

Hardrock69
11-08-2005, 01:18 PM
Originally posted by twonabomber
i'm supposed to cry over a kid who's just gonna grow up to be a suicide bomber?


Well why not wipe out the entire human race because some of it may grow up to be murderers or rapists?

:rolleyes:

Seshmeister
11-08-2005, 01:20 PM
Originally posted by twonabomber
i'm supposed to cry over a kid who's just gonna grow up to be a suicide bomber?

Well they might....now.

Hardrock69
11-08-2005, 01:20 PM
Originally posted by Nickdfresh
What a good Christian you are....Bomb any abortion clinics lately to "save the (whites only) babies?"

Careful Nick, he might lose his temper and start calling you a "******-lover".

:rolleyes:

ELVIS
11-08-2005, 01:21 PM
Originally posted by Nickdfresh

Has anyone else hear seen a phosphorous bomb go off?

Brilliant...:rolleyes:

Hardrock69
11-08-2005, 01:21 PM
Originally posted by Seshmeister
Well they might....now.

Yes, thanks to Chimpy, Cheney & Rummy...

ELVIS
11-08-2005, 01:23 PM
Originally posted by Nickdfresh
Bomb any abortion clinics lately to "save the (whites only) babies?"

WTF are you babbling about ??

You're so fucking stupid...

Don't project your racist feelings onto me, you liberal crybaby...

twonabomber
11-08-2005, 01:25 PM
Originally posted by Seshmeister
Well they might....now.

they were anyways. let's not kid ourselves.

Hardrock69
11-08-2005, 01:26 PM
U.S. Forces HAVE used napalm-like chemical weapons in Iraq.

twonabomber
11-08-2005, 01:27 PM
they're not using enough of them.

ELVIS
11-08-2005, 01:29 PM
Exactly!

Hardrock69
11-08-2005, 01:30 PM
Hmmm, kill them ALL and let Allah sort them out, eh?

Nickdfresh
11-08-2005, 01:32 PM
Originally posted by ELVIS
Exactly!

Fine, just don't preach your evil, backward superstition to me man...

thome
11-08-2005, 01:33 PM
Hey you fukin twits war ain't no candy ass sh@t so stop tryin to act
like America invented it.

Fuk with the Bull get the Horn, anybody standin next to it ,see ya.

We are capable of every atrocity known to man if you want some
you'll get it and- No Country Can Bring It Like We Can- So sit the Fuk
Down and Shut the Fuk Up, live your life in peace and good will.So
will we.Thats what we want .If you want some more we got that too.

Yeah, sometimes i feel like that.I'm not going to- LET YOU- kick my ass.
If I declare war on you I'm not going to- LET YOU- win.

If you declare war on me I'm Going to remove everthing you ever were.

Yeah, sometimes I feel like that.

Sounds like one of those Heavy Metal Rock Songs same words your Rock Heroes write . So don't acuse me of being nuts.Im a product of your Environment .

Generals gatherd ..... jus like witches at Black Masses .aint no joke.

Nickdfresh
11-08-2005, 01:34 PM
Originally posted by twonabomber
they're not using enough of them.

Kind of pokes holes in the "freedom spreading/evil doers" argument.

Why are we trying SADDAM again? War crimes? Put Chimpy in with him....

thome
11-08-2005, 01:45 PM
All of you America Bashers have yet to RAVE ABOUT all of Saddams .....Virtues !

So What May I Ask, Is Up Your Ass.

Tell me all about your Love. If your against what America is doing
you are wanting NO-CHANGE .So you are, FOR- Saddam .

Speak to me of his- Great Deeds- and why your sucking up to him.

Yeah sometimes I feel like that.

Hardrock69
11-08-2005, 01:49 PM
Originally posted by twonabomber
they're not using enough of them.

Ok so tell me...who are the terrists again?

Thome, no we are AGAINST Saddam.

And as the Bush Administration is wanting blanket coverage to allow the CIA to torture and murder whomever it wishes, in that respect Bush is no better than Saddamite.

Hardrock69
11-08-2005, 02:04 PM
Actually, here is an older article, about how the Pentagon admitted in August of 2003 that is was using Mark-77 incendiary weapons in Iraq:


http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/08/08/1060145870882.html?oneclick=true


Napalm by another name: Pentagon denial goes up in flames

By Ben Cubby
August 9, 2003


The United States military has admitted it used napalm-type weapons in Iraq.

A Pentagon spokesman had told the Herald it did not have any stocks of napalm, but it seems the denial was a quibble.

The Pentagon no longer officially uses the brand-name Napalm, a combination of naphthalene and palmitate, but a similar substance known as fuel-gel mixture contained in Mark-77 fire bombs was dropped on Iraqi troops near the Iraq-Kuwait border at the start of the recent war.

"I can confirm that Mark-77 fire bombs were used in that general area," said Colonel Mike Daily, of the US Marine Corps.

Colonel Daily said that US stocks of Vietnam-era napalm had been phased out, but that the Mark-77s had "similar destructive characteristics".

On March 22 a Herald correspondent, Lindsay Murdoch, travelling with US marines, reported that napalm was used in an attack on Iraqi troops at Safwan Hill, near the Kuwait border.

His account was based on statements by two US marines officers on the ground. But Lieutenant-Commander Jeff Davis, from the Office of the Assistant Secretary for Defence, called Murdoch's story "patently false". "The US took napalm out of service in the 1970s. We completed the destruction of our last batch of napalm on April 4, 2001, and no longer maintain any stocks of napalm," Commander Davis said.

He was apparently referring to Vietnam-era Napalm-B, which consisted of inflammable fuel thickened with polystyrene and benzene. The inflammable fuel in Mark-77 fire bombs is thickened with slightly different chemicals, and is believed to contain oxidisers.

Neither weapon technically contains napalm

A Pentagon official told Agence France-Presse on Thursday that US forces used the Mark-77 fire bombs against Iraqi forces in their drive towards Baghdad and defended their use as legal and necessary.

The official, who did not wish to be identified, said that US marines jets dropped the fire bombs at least once to destroy Iraqi positions at Safwan.

The official told AFP: "It is like this: you've got [an] enemy that's hard to get at. And it will save your own lives to use it." There were no international conventions against it, the official said.

Marines used the napalm-like bombs on at least two other occasions during the drive to Baghdad, the San Diego Union-Tribune reported this week.

"The generals love napalm," the paper quoted Colonel Randolph Alles, the commander of Marine Air Group 11, as saying. "It has a big psychological effect."

Napalm was banned by a United Nations convention in 1980, but the US did not sign the agreement. The US military considers the use of Mark-77 weapons to be legal.

A spokeswoman for Rock Island Arsenal in Illinois said it was producing a further 500 Mark-77s for the marines. She said she did not consider them napalm bombs, but they are still referred to as napalm in some US documents.

thome
11-08-2005, 02:18 PM
Somehow, Somewhere, Someway ,The World or Maybe just,
The American Press, started thinking that Life was Easy and
there is no such thing as Strife and Struggle and that all
you have to do is Wish your Problems Away.

I think it started in the 60s with the Apathetic aproach towards
Life and the problems that there in.

I would like to find the Instigators of this thought Strain and Bitch Slap
them till they felt the need to Fight for thier Rite to Fight for thier
Rights.

The Book of thome ;

Only on the Backs of War Mongers can Peace be Brought with the
lives of the Enemies of Peace.

Hardrock69
11-08-2005, 02:34 PM
The War mongers in this case are the U.S. Government and the Military Industrial Complex.

thome
11-08-2005, 03:01 PM
If anyone thinks America, is, was or hasn't been attacked in the, past,
present or future. It is and will allways be Possible.

Hardrock69
11-08-2005, 04:21 PM
But highly improbable.

lesfunk
11-08-2005, 04:41 PM
Originally posted by Seshmeister
http://mindprod.com/images/iraqburnedbaby.jpg
By the look on that guys face, That baby needs a fresh diaper!

thome
11-08-2005, 04:52 PM
The- Mind Wars- (good book by the way) the Press plays everyday
and Hollywoods grip on young peoples Minds -Is A War- and we are
attacked everyday by this.

Like Ashley Simpson is Talented- Blind ,Bold, Manipulation of your Mind,
from within our own system. The War is Afoot my young Man!


Everyday you must make decisions of rite and wrong.

The Book of thome;

Don't Be Duped by the Ones who Warp the Truth.

blueturk
11-08-2005, 06:06 PM
Originally posted by ELVIS
Exactly!

Oh yeah, that's a Bush "Christian" for you. Fucking hypocritical asshole.

blueturk
11-08-2005, 06:09 PM
Originally posted by twonabomber
they're not using enough of them.

At least you're not a hypocritical fucking idiot like Elvis. You're just a fucking idiot.

Warham
11-08-2005, 06:10 PM
Settle down people.

LoungeMachine
11-08-2005, 07:00 PM
Originally posted by Warham
Settle down people.

You just know the world has gone to shit when Warham steps in as the "voice of reason" ;) :D

Seshmeister
11-08-2005, 07:04 PM
Originally posted by twonabomber
they were anyways. let's not kid ourselves.

Quick quiz.

1) How many Iraqi suicide bombers were there before we invaded?

2) What nationality were the suicide bombers that attacked the US?

3) What nationality were the suicide bombers that attacked the UK?

ODShowtime
11-08-2005, 09:10 PM
Originally posted by BigBadBrian
Willie Pete is a valid weapon in the inventory of all western armies.

I suppose the Insurgent/Anti-War/Liberal/Democrat coalition will be whining about the US troops using bullets next?

:gulp: [/B]


good point. except that using it near civilians is sickening.

ODShowtime
11-08-2005, 09:14 PM
Originally posted by Hardrock69
Ok. There you have it.

The government denies this stuff.

Elvis? Why should we believe them.

BigBadBrucie? You are free to comment as well.

Why whould we believe them?

I think that since they've been caught lying numerous times you could never trust them.

Now one of them's been indicted for lying.

thome
11-08-2005, 09:30 PM
Originally posted by Seshmeister
Quick quiz.

1) How many Iraqi suicide bombers were there before we invaded?

2) What nationality were the suicide bombers that attacked the US?

3) What nationality were the suicide bombers that attacked the UK?

They were in America for over a year ,had American DL, and a American
street Mailing address, so that makes them Americans. This is the Lamest
Excuse to take the blame and shift it away from the Truth.It has
never worked and doesn't work now ,Sir.

They were Our Brothers, Fellow Human Beings,Sick Pshycotic Arabs,
Muslims, Worshipers of the Koran. Americans Eating American Food
Drinking the Same Water .

FORD
11-08-2005, 09:54 PM
Originally posted by thome
They were in America for over a year ,had American DL, and a American
street Mailing address, so that makes them Americans. This is the Lamest
Excuse to take the blame and shift it away from the Truth.It has
never worked and doesn't work now ,Sir.

They were Our Brothers, Fellow Human Beings,Sick Pshycotic Arabs,
Muslims, Worshipers of the Koran. Americans Eating American Food
Drinking the Same Water .

And moving "American" drugs through Miami for the BCE......

Nickdfresh
11-08-2005, 10:37 PM
BTW, it's illegal to use any sort of fire weapon like white phosphorous in civilian areas like Fallujah...

That's why they were used for "illumination" (by setting fire to peoples' houses).

thome
11-08-2005, 10:57 PM
Its Illegal to lower and fire a 50 cal. on individual solgeirs

but Audie Murphy got the congressional medal of honor for it.

so whats your point how you kill the bastard make for better

dead guy death. -Dead burnt bodies veins in my teeth- they
gave Arlo Guthrie a Emmy for that.

Hardrock69
11-09-2005, 12:23 AM
It is NOT illegal.

That is one of the most stupid things you have ever said in here.

You are trying to tell me that if you are manning a .50 cal machine gun, and some Iraqi soldier runs at you trying to kill you with an AK-47, it is against Army regulations to open fire on the sorry bastard????

:rolleyes:

twonabomber
11-09-2005, 06:39 AM
Originally posted by blueturk
At least you're not a hypocritical fucking idiot like Elvis. You're just a fucking idiot.

so be it then.

we're already in too deep, and the future looks bleaker by the day. time to pull our guys outta there, level the whole country, and start over.

or, if Bush is so concerned about Iraq, let HIM go be their fucking president, and get his dopey ass outta here.

Nickdfresh
11-09-2005, 08:21 AM
Originally posted by thome
Its Illegal to lower and fire a 50 cal. on individual solgeirs

but Audie Murphy got the congressional medal of honor for it.

so whats your point how you kill the bastard make for better

dead guy death. -Dead burnt bodies veins in my teeth- they
gave Arlo Guthrie a Emmy for that.

That's arguable.

He was destroying their equipment (i.e. helmets, rifles, canteens...). And they were soldiers on the battlefield.

He wasn't burning a village to "save it."

BigBadBrian
11-09-2005, 08:31 AM
Originally posted by ODShowtime
I think that since they've been caught lying numerous times you could never trust them.

Now one of them's been indicted for lying.

I can't tell one Adminstration from another now, huh?

thome
11-09-2005, 09:07 AM
Last time I knew the 50 cal was only to be used against a vehicle..
Geneva Convention Rules. If used against ground troops on
purpose you would be Court Martialed I don't remember the
complete wording. Its said to be cruel and unusual , It was most definitely in effect during WWII.

If memory serves Audie grabbed one on a vehicle and started
blasting the enemy in half or 1/16 ths depending where the round
made contact.So a hero to himself but Rules were broken.

It's all too confusing for me -The best way to Kill my enemy-.

I'd probably Run away I can't say for shure what i would do.

I would do the same thing he did and you would too.I assume.

Blow them up with a Grenade, Light them on Fire w/ a Flamethrower.
Dump burning magnesium on them, the trick to understand is
he will do the same and worse to you and yours if you don't fire first.

The Enemy is not there to scare you.

It is sad about, friendly fire, perimeter casualties,the innocents .

People used to be closer to each other Hand to Hand War was
a lot more personal and greivouse back then and if possible
more honorable.Before the introduction of Gun Powder.

everything changed, except the reasons for War. the Enemy
is the same only the faces have changed

BITEYOASS
11-09-2005, 07:48 PM
Ok, being the resident Marine in here and has a first hand knowledge of the safety aspects of conventional explosives; I want to give everyone a reality check on White Phosphorus.

1) It is not a chemical weapon, it is substance is used as a smokescreen to prevent the enemy from knowing the exact location of Marines preparing or commencing an assault (i.e. preventing ragheads at some Mosque in Falluja from targeting Marines with RPG's, Kalishnikov's, etc.)

2) If you attempt to pick up a white phosphorus grenade you will be burned beyond fuckin belief! More than likely some dumb ragheads thought they were palestinians and that these were tear gas grenades, dumbfucks.

3) Inhilation of White Phosphorus grenade fumes is only hazardous in NON-VENTILATED AREAS!!! But if it is from a facility that manufactures it, then it's a different matter altogether.

Still don't believe me? Here are some links:

http://www.nsc.org/library/chemical/phsphor.htm

http://www.atsdr.cdc.gov/tfacts103.pdf#search='White%20Phosphorus'

ODShowtime
11-09-2005, 09:46 PM
Originally posted by BigBadBrian
I can't tell one Adminstration from another now, huh?

The Adminstration I'm referring to is relevant because it's in the present.

Nickdfresh
11-10-2005, 12:51 AM
Originally posted by thome
Last time I knew the 50 cal was only to be used against a vehicle..
Geneva Convention Rules. If used against ground troops on
purpose you would be Court Martialed I don't remember the
complete wording. Its said to be cruel and unusual , It was most definitely in effect during WWII.

If memory serves Audie grabbed one on a vehicle and started
blasting the enemy in half or 1/16 ths depending where the round
made contact.So a hero to himself but Rules were broken.

It's all too confusing for me -The best way to Kill my enemy-.

I'd probably Run away I can't say for shure what i would do.

I would do the same thing he did and you would too.I assume.

Blow them up with a Grenade, Light them on Fire w/ a Flamethrower.
Dump burning magnesium on them, the trick to understand is
he will do the same and worse to you and yours if you don't fire first.

The Enemy is not there to scare you.

It is sad about, friendly fire, perimeter casualties,the innocents .

People used to be closer to each other Hand to Hand War was
a lot more personal and greivouse back then and if possible
more honorable.Before the introduction of Gun Powder.

everything changed, except the reasons for War. the Enemy
is the same only the faces have changed

I'm pretty sure that that is incorrect. Provided the round is a full metal jacket and not incendiary, I'm pretty sure you can shoot people with it.

In any case, if it is a war crime, there's video posted around here of US snipers whacking Taliban guerillas using bolt-action .50 caliber sniper rifles...I guess they're all fucked then.

BigBadBrian
11-10-2005, 08:26 AM
Originally posted by ODShowtime
The Adminstration I'm referring to is relevant because it's in the present.

The past will come back to haunt you. Believe it.

:)

Hardrock69
11-10-2005, 10:03 AM
http://rawstory.com/news/2005/U.S._Army_publication_confirms_United_States_1109. html

The March edition of Field Artillery magazine, a U.S. Army publication, reveals that the U.S. military did in fact use the incendiary weapon white phosphorous in Fallujah, Iraq, a Daily Kos diarist has found.

"WP [i.e., white phosphorus rounds] proved to be an effective and versatile munition," the article's author wrote. "We used it for screening missions at two breeches and, later in the fight, as a potent psychological weapon against the insurgents in trench lines and spider holes when we could not get effects on them with HE. We fired 'shake and bake' missions at the insurgents, using WP to flush them out and HE to take them out."

A second publication, Infantry Magazine, also alleges that white phosphorous was used near the Iraqi city of Irbil. Newsroom sources tell RAW STORY that the New York Times will be running a short piece on the Italian documentarian whose video documented the weapon's use Thursday.
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A terrifying video about the U.S. use of the weapon in Fallujah is available at Information Clearinghouse.

The U.S. has said any use of the weapon was for "lighting" purposes.

According to the Toxic Disease registry, "White phosphorus is a waxy solid which burns easily and is used in chemical manufacturing and smoke munitions. Exposure to white phosphorus may cause burns and irritation, liver, kidney, heart, lung, or bone damage, and death."

Wikipedia adds, "Detonating a WP shell in a confined area (like firing into a building) will indeed cause an effect comparable to the use of lung agent poison gases for those inside who do not or can not flee, with the additional consequence of setting the room(s) alight. Death will occur from lung edema, phosphoric acid poisoning or the resulting shock, or burns."

Use of white phosphorus is not banned by name in any international treaty. However, the 1980 Convention on Conventional Weapons (Protocol III) prohibits the use of incendiary weapons against civilian populations or in areas that have high civilian populations. The United States is among several nations that are not signatories to the convention.

Nickdfresh
11-10-2005, 10:14 AM
One of the scariest things I've ever done was to throw a white phosphorous grenade in training, you have to run away after your toss because the blast radius is huge....

WACF
11-10-2005, 10:44 AM
Originally posted by Nickdfresh
I'm pretty sure that that is incorrect. Provided the round is a full metal jacket and not incendiary, I'm pretty sure you can shoot people with it.

In any case, if it is a war crime, there's video posted around here of US snipers whacking Taliban guerillas using bolt-action .50 caliber sniper rifles...I guess they're all fucked then.


Canadian's use them in Afghanistan...beleive me, if it was illegal we would of heard about it by now.

The Canadian that set the world record long distance kill used a .50 cal sniper rifle.

ELVIS
11-10-2005, 10:48 AM
Originally posted by Nickdfresh
One of the scariest things I've ever done was to throw a white phosphorous grenade in training, you have to run away after your toss because the blast radius is huge....

Maybe that's what's wrong with you...;)

Nickdfresh
11-10-2005, 12:09 PM
Originally posted by ELVIS
Maybe that's what's wrong with you...;)


Nothing that a couple of beers won't fix...:gulp:

Hardrock69
11-10-2005, 03:02 PM
Originally posted by Nickdfresh
One of the scariest things I've ever done was to throw a white phosphorous grenade in training, you have to run away after your toss because the blast radius is huge....

Never got to fool with one of those.

Just the usual live hand grenades, LAWS rockets, machine guns, etc.