Evolutuion Is In The Bible, Says The Vatican [Archive]

Hardrock69

11-08-2005, 10:12 AM

The Vatican has issued a stout defence of Charles Darwin, voicing strong criticism of Christian fundamentalists who reject his theory of evolution and interpret the biblical account of creation literally.
Cardinal Paul Poupard, head of the Pontifical Council for Culture, said the Genesis description of how God created the universe and Darwin's theory of evolution were "perfectly compatible" if the Bible were read correctly.

His statement was a clear attack on creationist campaigners in the US, who see evolution and the Genesis account as mutually exclusive.

"The fundamentalists want to give a scientific meaning to words that had no scientific aim," he said at a Vatican press conference. He said the real message in Genesis was that "the universe didn't make itself and had a creator".

This idea was part of theology, Cardinal Poupard emphasised, while the precise details of how creation and the development of the species came about belonged to a different realm - science. Cardinal Poupard said that it was important for Catholic believers to know how science saw things so as to "understand things better".

His statements were interpreted in Italy as a rejection of the "intelligent design" view, which says the universe is so complex that some higher being must have designed every detail.

Warham

11-08-2005, 04:57 PM

Evolution is not in the Bible.

The Vatican is full of shit, as usual.

BigBadBrian

11-08-2005, 05:31 PM

Luther was right.

:gulp:

weesfreewheelin

11-08-2005, 05:37 PM

Wonder what chapter they interpreted it was ok for priest to diddle little alter boys:D

Hardrock69

11-08-2005, 05:48 PM

Oh so Warham and BBB now know more about the Bible than the Vatican.

How many Catholics are going to listen to you guys?

1? 2? Zero?

:D

Warham

11-08-2005, 05:52 PM

Originally posted by Hardrock69
Oh so Warham and BBB now know more about the Bible than the Vatican.

How many Catholics are going to listen to you guys?

1? 2? Zero?

:D

I was raised Catholic, Hardrock. I was baptized as a baby, went through all the CCD classes up until 9th grade, went through five of the Catholic sacrements. I know their dogma inside and out. I can probably recite an average mass for you word by word and I haven't went to a Catholic church in a couple years.

They believe things that are not scripturally sound, and I can supply a rather large list fairly quickly. Man-made nonsense replacing the Word.

jhale667

11-08-2005, 05:56 PM

What's with all the Vatican endorsements of science of late? Trying to distance themselves from the fundamentalists?

FORD

11-08-2005, 06:45 PM

Must have something to do with Pope Palpatine.......
http://simianfarmer.blogs.com/photos/uncategorized/lackoffaith.jpg

Warham

11-08-2005, 06:47 PM

'Do what must be done! Do not hesitate. Show no mercy.'

DLR'sCock

11-08-2005, 07:05 PM

I can't believe how one cannot understand that science does exist for a reason and that yes, God did create this all, but perhaps that his/her creation is much more complex than the words of men from thousands of years ago could understand.

ELVIS

11-08-2005, 07:13 PM

So, you're saying that men are smarter today then they were in Biblical times ??

BTW, where's the link for this ??

Angel

11-08-2005, 07:14 PM

Originally posted by Warham
Man-made nonsense replacing the Word.

The "Word" IS man-made nonsense.

ELVIS

11-08-2005, 07:14 PM

But, you believe in God, right Angel ??

Angel

11-08-2005, 07:15 PM

Originally posted by ELVIS
So, you're saying that men are smarter today then they were in Biblical times ??

Well, MOST of us are... ;)

Warham

11-08-2005, 07:16 PM

Men can't even build a structure like the Great Pyramid today.

Angel

11-08-2005, 07:16 PM

Originally posted by ELVIS
But, you believe in God, right Angel ??

Nope. My own personal beliefs most resemble Buddhism.

Seshmeister

11-08-2005, 07:22 PM

Originally posted by Warham
Men can't even build a structure like the Great Pyramid today.

You've never been to Vegas?:)

FORD

11-08-2005, 07:29 PM

Originally posted by Seshmeister
You've never been to Vegas?:)

http://www.sportstravel.com/images/elements/21/Luxor.jpg

The elevators in that building alone are nothing short of miraculous.

ELVIS

11-08-2005, 07:33 PM

Originally posted by Angel
Nope. My own personal beliefs most resemble Buddhism.

Well, let me be the first to tell ya...

You're not enlightened...;)

Warham

11-08-2005, 07:40 PM

Originally posted by Seshmeister
You've never been to Vegas?:)

lol.

I wonder if that'll last ten thousand years.

Seshmeister

11-08-2005, 10:56 PM

Originally posted by FORD
The elevators in that building alone are nothing short of miraculous.

LOL!

Get with the lingo they're called 'Inclinators'.

The food in their Chinese restaurant is pretty good too.

Cheers!

:gulp:

Romeo Delight

11-08-2005, 10:59 PM

Originally posted by jhale667
What's with all the Vatican endorsements of science of late? Trying to distance themselves from the fundamentalists?

No, just trying to remain relevant in an age where information is more available and thus people have increased ability to think for themselves

Religion's only purpose now is for (as it always has) is for fear-mongering and for hating others with different beliefs.

Organized religion of all stripes is the problem, not faith itself.

ELVIS

11-08-2005, 11:04 PM

Originally posted by Seshmeister
LOL!

Get with the lingo they're called 'Inclinators'.

Cheers!

:gulp:

uhh hu hu hu huhu hu hu uhh

Even I knew that...

:D

Hardrock69

11-09-2005, 12:00 AM

Originally posted by ELVIS
So, you're saying that men are smarter today then they were in Biblical times ??

BTW, where's the link for this ??

Ooops ...sorry...I'm usually pretty good about posting links (Lazy sod...ya can't be bothered to look it up, eh? ;) :
http://uplink.space.com/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=freespace&Number=377243&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=0&fpart=
http://www.news.com.au/story/0%2C10117%2C17162341-13762%2C00.html
http://www.usatoday.com/tech/science/ethics/2005-11-03-vatican-science_x.htm
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,174489,00.html
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9913712/
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/11/03/AR2005110301240.html
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/11/03/world/main1009737.shtml
http://www.stnews.org/commentary-2087.htm
http://www.nationalcatholicreporter.org/word/
http://www.rotharmy.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=29293
http://pharyngula.org/index/weblog/comments/cardinal_paul_poupard_gets_it/
http://newsfromrussia.com/world/2005/11/03/66952.html
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051104/ap_on_sc/vatican_science
http://www.nj.com/news/ledger/index.ssf?/base/news-3/1131089121143080.xml&coll=1
http://www.wtopnews.com/index.php?nid=220&sid=611810
http://www.einnews.com/vatican/newsfeed-ChristophSchoenborn
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=47205
http://www.thenewstribune.com/news/nationworld/story/5305865p-4810288c.html
http://www.beliefnet.com/story/178/story_17835_1.html
http://ad-server-d10.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,174489,00.html
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/V/VATICAN_SCIENCE?SITE=PAPIT&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=home.htm
http://www.tehrantimes.com/Description.asp?Da=11/5/2005&Cat=7&Num=5
http://www.salon.com/wire/ap/archive.html?wire=D8DLNKR0J.html
http://cbs2.com/national/topstories_story_307214952.html
http://www.livejournal.com/community/dark_christian/
http://www.ksat.com/family/5251183/detail.html
http://www.nightly.net/ubb/ultimatebb.php/topic/74/274.html
http://www.newsgoblin.com/vatican_radio.php
http://www.boston.com/news/world/europe/articles/2005/11/04/a_cardinal_asks_faithful_not_to_discount_science/
http://www.11alive.com/news/printarticle.aspx?storyid=71460
http://www.cleveland.com/printer/printer.ssf?/base/living/1131105359304750.xml&coll=2
http://www.syracuse.com/newsflash/living/index.ssf?/base/international-1/1131117543318341.xml&storylist=syr_religion

There.

Satisfied?

Hardrock69

11-09-2005, 12:07 AM

Originally posted by Warham
I was raised Catholic, Hardrock. I was baptized as a baby, went through all the CCD classes up until 9th grade, went through five of the Catholic sacrements. I know their dogma inside and out. I can probably recite an average mass for you word by word and I haven't went to a Catholic church in a couple years.

They believe things that are not scripturally sound, and I can supply a rather large list fairly quickly. Man-made nonsense replacing the Word.

So if they taught you everything you know about the Bible, and now you denounce them as not believing the things they teach, what makes you an authority if they taught you a pack of lies when you were growing up?
:confused:

The Catholic Church were responsible for all biblical teaching from 325 A.D. onward.

Therefore if you believe in it as "scripture", you cannot deny their interpretation of it.

Warham

11-09-2005, 06:58 AM

Yeah, I can deny it, because there was 300 years of teaching before the Councils began. Perhaps I follow gnostic teachings.

The Catholic church also teaches that Mary was a perpetual virgin and that she's the co-redeemer with Christ, both unbliblical. I can stop right there, as that alone is blaphemy against God.

Cathedral

11-09-2005, 07:46 AM

The problem isn't God, it's people leaning to their own flawed understanding that will condemn them in the name of God.

If you aren't a believer then that is the seed you sow, and i'll pray for enlightenment on your behalf as i do my own.

You can't look to a sinning world for spiritual revelation and guidance until you learn to leave mortal thinking behind and open your heart to the spiritual salvation only Jesus will deliver.

Most people don't get it because they think as Adam and Eve were decieved to think, they are like God and control their own destiny.

I don't know what to believe anymore, the scripture has been altered and warped beyond anything that will save anyone so the truth has become near impossible to find, without God's intervetion that is.

At this point your only option is to know who's feet to fall before when the end comes.
Satan will appear and claim to be God, most will follow and not know any better.
But i'll be looking for the spirit that no longer lives in the flesh before i bow down.
I'll know by his command of the word if he is genuine or not, and it only takes one word out of place when the Son of Perdition recites his own scripture to prove him a false God.

You think God is testing us all now?
Just wait until the sound of the 6th Trump and you'll wish you had passed away the day before.
Those who have fallen before us need only to rise, the living will have to repent and endure the Tribulation that so many lost sheep think a "Rapture" will spare them of.

Incidentally, the vatican has no credibility with me. their corruption and sexual deviance issues make them all but Holy in my opinion.
I could care less what any Catholic has to say about anything.

Nickdfresh

11-09-2005, 08:06 AM

Originally posted by ELVIS
Well, let me be the first to tell ya...

You're not enlightened...;)

And you are hick?

Nickdfresh

11-09-2005, 08:09 AM

Before you start the bashing of Catholics for pedophile priests and what not, at least Catholics can cite a long history of scientific thought and research in the Jesuit tradition along side the superstition and witch burnings. The Creationist believin' Evangelical hicks can make no such points...

BigBadBrian

11-09-2005, 09:38 AM

Originally posted by Angel
The "Word" IS man-made nonsense.

When coming from your keyboard it is.

:gulp:

BigBadBrian

11-09-2005, 09:39 AM

Originally posted by Nickdfresh
Before you start the bashing of Catholics for pedophile priests and what not, at least Catholics can cite a long history of scientific thought and research in the Jesuit tradition along side the superstition and witch burnings. The Creationist believin' Evangelical hicks can make no such points...

There's our tolerance-believin' Democrats in action.

:gulp:

BigBadBrian

11-09-2005, 09:42 AM

Originally posted by Seshmeister
LOL!

Get with the lingo they're called 'Inclinators'.

The food in their Chinese restaurant is pretty good too.

Cheers!

:gulp:

I'll bet that building doesn't have any rats.

:gulp:

Hardrock69

11-09-2005, 10:31 AM

Originally posted by Warham
Yeah, I can deny it, because there was 300 years of teaching before the Councils began. Perhaps I follow gnostic teachings.

The Catholic church also teaches that Mary was a perpetual virgin and that she's the co-redeemer with Christ, both unbliblical. I can stop right there, as that alone is blaphemy against God.

Don't get me wrong, I do agree the Catholic Church does not teach according to what is in the Bible, even though they were the final authority as to what was left in the New Testament. It teaches what is politicially expedient for it to remain in power.

And has done so for 1700 years.

Mary is definitely not a co-redeemer.

That is almost like saying that Yoko Ono can write songs as well as John Lennon.

In both cases, they happened to be Jesus's & John's Bitch, riding on their coattails, so to speak.

And all that crap about the "Immaculate Conception" is not true either, yet you have millions who pray to "Mary, Mother Of Jesus".

As you said, I could go on and on and on, but I won't bother.

The Bible does not deny evolution. But it defintitely does not literally state:

1. And lo, The Lord Slaveth For Aeons, slowly changing the grains of sand to be ever more complex, until amoebas riseth from the dust, evolve into fishes, then evolve into amphibians, that evolved into air-breathing creatures, which eveolved into apes, which evolved into politicians, which involved into the race of Man, known in the Ancient Hebrew Tongue as "Adam".

People who believe the Earth was created in 7 days, (7 24-hour periods) have a screw loose.

Now....who invented "science"?

Dogs?

Did Rats discover Gravity?

Did Cats publish the theory of relativity?

Did Orangutans, Fruitbats, or Badgers split the atom or cure polio?

NO!

It was HUMAN BEINGS that did all of the above.

Over the past thousands of years, HUMAN BEINGS and their theories and discoveries of our Universe brought about the field of SCIENCE.

Right?

So who created Human Beings?

IF it is your belief that God Created Man, then there is NO ALTERNATIVE but that Science was created by (drum roll please) GOD!

Therefore the Cardinal was right on the money with his statements.

:cool:

Seshmeister

11-09-2005, 11:38 AM

Originally posted by Hardrock69
Now....who invented "science"?

Dogs?

Did Rats discover Gravity?

Did Cats publish the theory of relativity?

Did Orangutans, Fruitbats, or Badgers split the atom or cure polio?

NO!

It was HUMAN BEINGS that did all of the above.

Over the past thousands of years, HUMAN BEINGS and their theories and discoveries of our Universe brought about the field of SCIENCE.

Right?

So who created Human Beings?

IF it is your belief that God Created Man, then there is NO ALTERNATIVE but that Science was created by (drum roll please) GOD!

Therefore the Cardinal was right on the money with his statements.

:cool:

But why be all logical and then throw in a big supernatural jump at the end?

If you are going to believe in God based on no evidence why not believe in fairies, elves, alien abductions and creationism too?

Hardrock69

11-09-2005, 11:41 AM

Good Question.

FORD

11-09-2005, 01:57 PM

I never believed in Darwinism until December 12, 2000. That's when the Supreme Court put a Chimp in the White House.

Angel

11-09-2005, 02:26 PM

Originally posted by ELVIS
Well, let me be the first to tell ya...

You're not enlightened...;)

Why would you say that? - and who died and made you God? It's my understanding that only God can make judgements of that nature.

The meaning of enlightened is: "progressive; Free-thinking; Liberal; Open-minded; Tolerant". Somehow, I think I am more enlightened than you. ;)

Warham

11-09-2005, 02:26 PM

Originally posted by FORD
I never believed in Darwinism until December 12, 2000. That's when the Supreme Court put a Chimp in the White House.

That wouldn't prove evolution.

Angel

11-09-2005, 02:38 PM

Originally posted by Warham
That wouldn't prove evolution.

:D De-evolution? ;)

Nickdfresh

11-09-2005, 04:52 PM

Originally posted by BigBadBrian
There's our tolerance-believin' Democrats in action.

:gulp:

Quit being such a pussy BRIAN. Why would any "Liberal" have tolerance for cry baby, persecution complex ridden buffoons that do nothing but blame "Liberals" for all their problems...

BITEYOASS

11-09-2005, 07:58 PM

I believe that the bible was good at providing an early theory of God's creation of the universe. Evolution IMO is a more updated and more detailed version of god's creation. But should not discount the laws and teachings of the Old & New testament about Sin.

Cathedral

11-09-2005, 09:30 PM

With God, All Things Are Possible.
Not just some things, but ALL things are possible, with God.

That sure puts a damper on an argument, don't it?

Dr. Love

11-09-2005, 09:40 PM

The idea of evolution is crap when compared to the complete truth that is written in the Bible.

http://loljesus.com/submissions/wawa2wine.jpg

Romeo Delight

11-10-2005, 03:43 AM

Originally posted by Cathedral

At this point your only option is to know who's feet to fall before when the end comes.
Satan will appear and claim to be God, most will follow and not know any better.
But i'll be looking for the spirit that no longer lives in the flesh before i bow down.
I'll know by his command of the word if he is genuine or not, and it only takes one word out of place when the Son of Perdition recites his own scripture to prove him a false God.

Listen to yourself!

How do you sleep at night? I have faith, but not in something so controlling and manipulative as scripture or interpretation of scripture designed to control the masses.

Doesn't seem very enlightened to me; more fear-mongering, no disrespect intended. :(

Romeo Delight

11-10-2005, 03:47 AM

Originally posted by Cathedral
With God, All Things Are Possible.
Not just some things, but ALL things are possible, with God.

That sure puts a damper on an argument, don't it?

Sounds more like an excuse for not thinking.

Warham

11-10-2005, 06:53 AM

Except that Cathedral is a ' critical thinker', so that criticism is invalid.

BigBadBrian

11-10-2005, 08:20 AM

Originally posted by Nickdfresh
Quit being such a pussy BRIAN. Why would any "Liberal" have tolerance for cry baby, persecution complex ridden buffoons that do nothing but blame "Liberals" for all their problems...

I see I scored a bullseye on that one. ;)

:gulp:

Nickdfresh

11-10-2005, 08:34 AM

Originally posted by BigBadBrian
I see I scored some major bullshit on that one. ;)

:gulp:

The Scatologist

11-10-2005, 09:16 AM

Originally posted by Angel
Well, MOST of us are... ;)

The MOST not including Elvis:D

Sorry, had to point that out, cause he's probably too dumb to get your joke.

ELVIS

11-10-2005, 09:44 AM

Yeah right...:rolleyes:

Katydid

11-24-2005, 10:07 PM

Originally posted by Warham
Evolution is not in the Bible.

The Vatican is full of shit, as usual.

The Pope is explaining what some reporter asked an astrologer and he gave as a belief of the church. He lived in a castle somewhere away from the church.

What the Pope is saying is that Darwin teaches the scientific approach, and the Church chooses to teach the theological approach.

That they are two different concepts.

In essence what the reporter did was make a play on words to throw the Catholic Church in a bad light...talking out of both sides of his mouth...

Back in Bible days it says the Three Wise Men followed the star to Bethlehem where he lay. (In some very old Bibles The Three Wise men were protrayed as astronomers...not astrologers. ) I suppose some Protestant thougth that would be a great way to shed some bad light on Catholics...

And it worked at usual. Seems most Protestants hate the Catholics and call them Devil Worshipers. When I have had extensive experience in both Protestant and Catholic religions...I know these things. I have never heard the Catholic Church say a word against the Protestants. That should tell you something.

I say believe half what you hear and non of most Protestant heresay against the Catholics because it is always a crock of shit.

FORD

11-25-2005, 04:06 AM

Protestants and Catholics are equally full of shit. Neither operate their churches by the teachings of Jesus Christ.

Hardrock69

11-25-2005, 03:43 PM

Originally posted by Katydid
The Pope is explaining what some reporter asked an astrologer and he gave as a belief of the church. He lived in a castle somewhere away from the church.

What the Pope is saying is that Darwin teaches the scientific approach, and the Church chooses to teach the theological approach.

That they are two different concepts.

In essence what the reporter did was make a play on words to throw the Catholic Church in a bad light...talking out of both sides of his mouth...

Back in Bible days it says the Three Wise Men followed the star to Bethlehem where he lay. (In some very old Bibles The Three Wise men were protrayed as astronomers...not astrologers. ) I suppose some Protestant thougth that would be a great way to shed some bad light on Catholics...

And it worked at usual. Seems most Protestants hate the Catholics and call them Devil Worshipers. When I have had extensive experience in both Protestant and Catholic religions...I know these things. I have never heard the Catholic Church say a word against the Protestants. That should tell you something.

I say believe half what you hear and non of most Protestant heresay against the Catholics because it is always a crock of shit.

Yes, the Catholics are a crock of shit.

Oh they have had plenty to say about Protestants.
Burning At The Stake, Torture at the hands of The Inquisition, etc.

And the POPE did not say SHIT!

READ THE FUCKING ARTICLE YOU IGNORANT KUNT

Science & Theology are only "different" in name.

They are not two different "FIELDS" as it were.

They are merely 2 aspects of the same coin.

And if you believe God created everything, then God created science and Evolution as well.

If you claim to worship God, but you also claim that Evolution is false, then you are a WORSHIPPER OF SATAN'S PENIS!!!

Baby's On Fire

11-25-2005, 09:02 PM

Originally posted by Warham
Evolution is not in the Bible.

The Vatican is full of shit, as usual.

Anyone who believes in creationism is a fucking idiot beyond comprehension.

Yeah, a "god" made Adam and Eve. IDIOTS!!

Baby's On Fire

11-25-2005, 09:04 PM

Originally posted by Warham
Men can't even build a structure like the Great Pyramid today.

Blame the unions. There is your answer.

Seshmeister

11-25-2005, 09:06 PM

Originally posted by Katydid
(In some very old Bibles The Three Wise men were protrayed as astronomers...not astrologers. ) I suppose some Protestant thougth that would be a great way to shed some bad light on Catholics...

Jeez if only Katydid was a troll that would be just fucking genius instead of scary stupid...:)

jhale667

11-25-2005, 11:44 PM

Originally posted by Baby's On Fire
Anyone who believes in creationism is a fucking idiot beyond comprehension.

And remember, the earth is only 5,000 years old. Nevermind all that carbon dating nonsense...LOL
:rolleyes:

Katydid

11-25-2005, 11:59 PM

Originally posted by Hardrock69
Yes, the Catholics are a crock of shit.

Oh they have had plenty to say about Protestants.
Burning At The Stake, Torture at the hands of The Inquisition, etc.

And the POPE did not say SHIT!

READ THE FUCKING ARTICLE YOU IGNORANT KUNT

Science & Theology are only "different" in name.

They are not two different "FIELDS" as it were.

They are merely 2 aspects of the same coin.

And if you believe God created everything, then God created science and Evolution as well.

If you claim to worship God, but you also claim that Evolution is false, then you are a WORSHIPPER OF SATAN'S PENIS!!!

SHUT UP RIGHT NOW. I AM SICK OF YOU. YOU ARE THE ONE WHO WORSHIPS SATANS COCK...ALL YOU CAN TALK ABOUT IS PENISES.