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BigBadBrian
11-10-2005, 11:06 AM
Will London Burn Too?

Trevor Phillips, chairman of the Commission for Racial Equality, has warned recently of ‘sleepwalking our way to segregation’. Although he was not speaking principally about Muslims, they have become perhaps the most dominant group in British society. Divided along ethnic and sectarian lines, Muslims are nevertheless united by their creed, their law and the powerful concept of the umma, the totality of Muslims worldwide.

The process of migrating and establishing a Muslim community in a non-Muslim context has an important place in Islamic theology. The word hijra is used to describe such a migration, in particular the migration of Mohammed and his followers in ad 622 from Mecca, where they were persecuted, to Medina where they established the first Islamic state. Eight years earlier another hijra occurred when Muslim refugees found freedom of worship in the Christian kingdom of Abyssinia.

Muslims see the establishment of a Muslim community in the UK as a contemporary hijra. But an important question concerns which 7th-century hijra they compare it to: the hijra to Abyssinia in which the Muslims became contented and loyal subjects of a Christian king, or the hijra to Medina where they seized political and military power.

While the Muslim scholar Imtiaz Ahmed Hussain has indicated that he looks to the Abyssinian model, many other Muslims seem to look to the Medinan model. A book published in 1980 by the Islamic Council of Europe gives instructions for how Muslim minorities are to work towards achieving domination of European countries through a policy of concentration in geographical areas.

The Muslim writer Amir Taheri, tackling the question of ‘Why Paris is Burning’, described how France’s policy of assimilation began to fail when (Muslim) immigrants grouped themselves in concentrated areas. The resulting alienation, says Taheri, opens the way for radical Islamists to promote religious and cultural apartheid. Some are even calling for Muslim majority areas to become like an Ottoman millet, i.e., to organise their own social, cultural and educational life in accordance with their religious beliefs. In parts of France, says Taheri, a de facto millet system is already in place, seen in Islamic headdress, Islamic beards, Islamic control of the administration, and the elimination of cinemas, dance halls and shops selling alcohol and pork.

The Muslim community in France is well on the way to becoming a millet, a state within a state. The only substantive goal still outstanding is the implementation of Islamic law (Shariah) instead of French law.

Muslims in France have by and large rejected the concept of the integration of individuals and are working instead for the integration of communities. The same is happening in the UK, where the concept of multiculturalism has long been popular.

Two other Islamic principles are important subjects of debate among contemporary Muslims. The first concerns ‘sacred space’. Islam is a territorial religion. Any space once gained is considered sacred and should belong to the umma for ever. Any lost space must be regained — even by force if necessary. Migrant Muslim communities in the West are constantly engaged in sacralising new areas — first the inner private spaces of their homes and mosques, and latterly whole neighbourhoods (e.g., Birmingham) by means of marches and processions. So the ultimate end of sacred space theology is autonomy for Muslims of the UK under Islamic law.

Radical Muslims hope for the re-establishment of the Caliphate, abolished by Atatürk in 1924. The possibility of a Southern Europe Caliphate and a North Sea Caliphate has been raised.

The other important principle is the classic Islamic division of the world into Dar al-Islam (the house of Islam), where Muslims rule, and Dar al-Harb (the house of war). The sinister name for non-Muslim territory indicates that Muslims have an obligation to wage war until it becomes Dar al-Islam. There is much debate within Islam today as to whether or not the West is Dar al-Harb. Non-Muslims can be thankful for alternatives such as Dar al-Sulh (House of Truce) and Dar al-Ahd (House of Treaty).

Some radical British Muslims used to believe in a ‘covenant of security’ which forbids Muslims living in the UK from engaging in military action within the country. Preposterous though it seems, they believed that, were it not for this ‘covenant’, they would be duty-bound to attack the majority community. Most now believe the covenant to be null and void because of the UK’s involvement in Iraq and Afghanistan.

But the most radical of all hold that the covenant of security applied only to Muslims who had sought refuge in Britain, not to those who were born here. In the words of Hassan Butt, ‘They [the British-born] owe nothing to the government. They did not ask to be born here; neither did they ask to be protected by Britain.’

In Britain we already have many examples of Muslim violence. Some are within the community — ethnic violence such as Kurds against Pakistanis in Peterborough or so-called ‘honour killings’. Some are between Muslims and other communities such as the blacks vs Asian Muslims in Birmingham or the armed black Muslim gangs in south London threatening to kill those who will not convert to Islam. Will we see the same patterns of sectarian violence as in Pakistan, the homeland of so many British Muslims? Shias and Sunnis killing each other, and the persecution of Ahmadiyyas by Sunnis?

Most alarming of all is the prospect of Muslim secessionist violence in the UK as in Kosovo, the Philippines, Thailand and elsewhere (Huntington’s much-reviled ‘bloody borders of Islam’). Now this is happening — apparently — in France. A radical Muslim preaching at Hyde Park Corner on 6 November called for what had happened in France to be repeated here. He urged all Muslims to move into Muslim areas, after which any Churches would be expelled. He told his audience that Europe had once been Muslim and called on them to make it Muslim again.

Many British cities already have concentrated Muslim communities. Conservative estimates based on census returns indicate that Bradford had a Muslim population of just under 49,000 in 1991, rising to over 75,000 in 2005. But Sher Azam, president of the Bradford Council of Mosques, claims that 100,000 Muslims in Bradford attend mosque each week, suggesting a total Muslim population in Bradford far in excess of this. Whatever the true figures, it is clear that within a few years Bradford and many other British cities will have Muslim majorities. It is also clear that the often quoted figure of 1.6 million for the total British Muslim population must be a gross underestimate.

Islamic enclaves would be defined by Islamic values, education, politics, religious practice and above all law. They would be ‘cleansed’ of any non-Muslim presence. This cleansing is already beginning by means of threats and violence to isolated churches in Muslim majority areas. Even Islamic law is already semi-established, in that a multitude of Shariah councils and Shariah courts exist which deal with family issues, effectively creating an unofficial parallel legal system within the UK.

Unless the multiculturalist policy — which has been indirectly facilitating the separatist agenda of radical Islamists — is reversed immediately, we shall wake up and find we have sleepwalked into a situation of apartheid and segregation. If we sleep long enough, we may even wake up to find that, like Paris, London is burning. Or that we are living in an Islamic state.

Link (http://www.spectator.co.uk/article.php?id=6900&page=1)

jero
11-10-2005, 11:08 AM
yeah man, just a matter of time, or we fight back. Very hard! maybe we have a chance to survive those Islamic morons!

ELVIS
11-10-2005, 11:24 AM
Thhat's what George Bush was trying to do, but the liberals put up roadblock after roadblock...

Now, he can't do anything about terrorism...

Liberals will go as far as telling you terrorism didn't exist until George Bush created it by invading Iraq...

Nickdfresh
11-10-2005, 11:48 AM
Originally posted by ELVIS
Thhat's what George Bush was trying to do, but the liberals put up roadblock after roadblock...


Jesus. Are you drinking again? What terrorists? Where? We invaded Afghanistan, destroyed the Taliban (until we became bogged down in IRAQ, so now they're resurgent). The problem with BUSH is that his low IQ, arrogance, and complete lack of understanding of the world around him are his "roadblocks."


Now, he can't do anything about terrorism...

What terrorism? There hasn't been a substantiated plot in the continental US since Sept. 11. All the supposed conspirators that have so far been proscecuted have showed little ability to plan towards anything. Not a single conviction of a terrorist, nor significant plot has been uncovered. Sept. 11 was an isolated tragedy in which the majority of bad guys destroyed themselves in there suicide attack, and we have the majority of people responsible for that operation either dead or in custody (like Khalid Sheik Mohammed who actually planned the whole thing using Saudi donated money). The truth is that there is not more than a handful of competent terrorists. Just look at the local issue of the "Lackawanna Six." A bunch of YEMENI-Americans spending decades in prison because they were stupid enough to travel to Afghanistan and hang with OSAMA's crew. Yet, nothing was found in the way of planning or equipment for this "Terrorist Cell." It was all guilt by association, not any conspiracy or acts.


Liberals will go as far as telling you terrorism didn't exist until George Bush created it by invading Iraq...

Speaking for "Liberals" now? Keep your absurd opinions to your own political views. And a lot of the people saying that BUSH's retard war was a blunder a far from "Liberal." (i.e. Brent SCOWCROFT)

ELVIS
11-10-2005, 11:51 AM
LMAO !!


:elvis:

FORD
11-10-2005, 12:55 PM
http://www.oi-punk.de/shop/catalog/images/Clash-london.jpg
London's Burning
(Strummer/Jones)

London's burning! London's burning!

All across the town, all across the night
Everybody's driving with full headlights
Black or white turn it on, face the new religion
Everybody's sitting 'round watching television!

London's burning with boredom now
London's burning dial 99999

I'm up and down the Westway, in an' out the lights
What a great traffic system - it's so bright
I can't think of a better way to spend the night
Then speeding around underneath the yellow lights

London's burning with boredom now
London's burning dial 99999

Now I'm in the subway and I'm looking for the flat
This one leads to this block, this one leads to that
The wind howls through the empty blocks looking for a home
I run through the empty stone because I'm all alone

London's burning with boredom now...
London's burning dial 99999

jero
11-10-2005, 01:27 PM
Those assholes got everything they have asked for in Europe! Medical healthcare, import brides, islamic schools, money and on and on. And what do they do in return? Parts of European citys are like Afganistan, everywhere there is crime. Get those fuckers back to the mountains! Fucking muslims

Just an example, which happens everyday in Europe:

http://www.democrates.net/media/taxidriver.wmv

ELVIS
11-10-2005, 01:34 PM
Hey, Millermoos says London is safe, so it must be true...:rolleyes:

jero
11-10-2005, 01:43 PM
Ok Elvis, meet you there. Please go to the Avalon, It's in Brixton! But don't expect our fag sissy Miller is there.

ELVIS
11-10-2005, 01:56 PM
:D

Millermoos is probably a chick, that is unless he/she lied about that too...

jero
11-10-2005, 02:13 PM
In that case we should DP her! And if she is a he, we use some of his fag friends in Brixton! In that case we should film. It would make a great video

Hardrock69
11-10-2005, 03:01 PM
London will not burn.

It is only those countries who were so against the Iraq War that will have these problems.

Germany is keeping a watchful eye...

jero
11-10-2005, 03:37 PM
Hardrock, that has nothing to do with it! Where there are Muslims in a not Islamic country you will have problems!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hardrock69
11-10-2005, 05:22 PM
Well here is something intersting:



"Muslim" Riots only hitting countries that opposed Iraq war???
France imposed a state of emergency as rioting continued for a 13th straight night and spread to more towns, including Calais, the French end of the "Chunnel" rail link to England; St. Raphael; Amiens; Grasses; Bassens; Savigny-sur-Orge, and Arras. Other cases of arson were reported throughout Belgium -- in Ghent, Antwerp, Lokeren -- and in Germany, where Cologne was hit for the first time with car arson.

WMR has emphasized that the arson attacks are well planned, coordinated, and only plaguing the three major NATO countries that opposed the war in Iraq, For that reason, European law enforcement and intelligence agencies should place 24x7 surveillance on Israeli diplomatic and intelligence personnel who may be engaged in "Lavon Affair" and "911" style false flag operations. Such an operation aimed at Venezuela's President Hugo Chavez may have just been uncovered in Trinidad and Tobago.

http://www.waynemadsenreport.com/

Angel
11-10-2005, 07:11 PM
Originally posted by jero
Hardrock, that has nothing to do with it! Where there are Muslims in a not Islamic country you will have problems!!!!!!!!!!!!!

BULLSHIT!!!

The problem is immigration. Nation's where immigrants are expected to assimilate will have problems. (Like the USA).

You won't see it happening in Canada, as we integrate cultures as opposed to forcing them to assimilate, and it is a model that the world should be looking at if they want to avoid shit like what's going on in Europe. USA will be next....

Seshmeister
11-10-2005, 09:47 PM
Originally posted by ELVIS
Hey, Millermoos says London is safe, so it must be true...:rolleyes:

It's safer than Louisiana...

Seshmeister
11-10-2005, 09:54 PM
There is some mixed up thinking in this thread.

France and the UK have taken absolutely polar attitudes to how to deal with immigration.

In France the minute you're in you're French. To even monitor or check for racism by gathering data in jobs or housing is illegal.

This is the bury your head in the sand approach has led to widespread racism, low oppurtunities for immigrants and the subsequent riots.

The UK and Canada have gone for the multi culturism approach. This means that once you're in you're still the culture you were before you got there.

Problem with this is that you end up with the fucking nutcase radical muslims who forget why their parents moved here in the first case blowing themselves up.

Neither approach seems to work.

The US seems to be somewhere in the middle, maybe that's better???

jero
11-11-2005, 10:53 AM
Originally posted by Angel
BULLSHIT!!!

The problem is immigration. Nation's where immigrants are expected to assimilate will have problems. (Like the USA).

You won't see it happening in Canada, as we integrate cultures as opposed to forcing them to assimilate, and it is a model that the world should be looking at if they want to avoid shit like what's going on in Europe. USA will be next....

Sleep tight! It will happen in Canada! It's the Koran who says kill all the unbelievers, no matter what!

BigBadBrian
11-11-2005, 04:12 PM
Originally posted by Angel
BULLSHIT!!!

The problem is immigration. Nation's where immigrants are expected to assimilate will have problems. (Like the USA).

You won't see it happening in Canada, as we integrate cultures as opposed to forcing them to assimilate, and it is a model that the world should be looking at if they want to avoid shit like what's going on in Europe. USA will be next....

Yeah, Canada is a model alright.

Maybe that is way Quebec wants to secede. :rolleyes: