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[MERRYKISSMASS2U]

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This system will run ubuntu linux and maybe xp. Please tell me what you would change... I'm not a crazy gamer nor a vid editor (I dont need a 4800 x2). Suggestions plz! However, it has to be an amd sys and windows is a no no.

[Julius]

Just a suggestion:

Don't buy your hardware from a brick and mortar store, by the time they stock it, it's WAY outdated. And....

AMD=GOOD

WINDOWS=Mostly bad

Your milage may vary

[flappo]

get a mac

don't get a virus

[Phil theStalker]

Originally posted by flappo
fac a mac

don't get RIPPED AFF! I've got a G4 wit dual processors f4or $2k, butt tit came wit Windows NT. I've installed Linux and XP. Fak da mac!


:spank:

[Phil theStalker]

Originally posted by flappo
sack a mac

don't get o1ne
oh, and merry christmas


:spank:

[Hardrock69]

Nice rig.

Get it. Athlon 64 will beat the crap out of anything Apple has to offer.

Not to mention PCI Express.

I personally would go for a Western Digital or Maxtor hard drive, but that is up to you. I only say that because I have never had one die on me.

Do not get that memory.

Gigaram? Who the fuck is that?

Go to the Abit website, and only get RAM that is approved for that board.
Corsair is one of the best manufacturers, but even so...get something that is approved by ABIT.

Oh, and if you are going to get 1GB of memory, get a pair of 512MB sticks so you can run them in dual channel mode (faster than a single stick in single-channel mode).

[DeadOrAlive]

As my friend says, "Apple, AOL, Pepsi, and the Sweeney are satan."

[Hardrock69]

Dig the pic, man....

[NATEDOG001976]

Go to Dell.com, great comps for a steal!!

[flappo]

dell are shit

[m_dixon1984]

Dell sells average PCs, at best. Build your own, MERRYKISSMASS2U, you had the right idea and your choices were good. Hardrock69 gave great advice about the hard drive (however, WD would be my choice as I've had many problems with Maxtors in the past) and memory (buy only Abit approved RAM). I buy nVidia based video cards but ATI's technology has improved greatly over the past few years (especially for gaming - they were always the best for TV-out or dual-display) so your Sapphire card should be fine.
BTW, I've deployed hundreds of Dells in my office so I know what I'm talking about. They are simply just average machines and to get anything close from Dell you'll be paying more than $2k and it will still be a lesser machine than you've put together.

Best pre-built machines come from AlienWare (great gaming focus) or Eurocom (best laptops/desktop replacemens in the industry, IMHO)

M

[Hardrock69]

A couple of years ago a friend of mine wanted to buy a PC to use for his new recording studio as a DAW (digital audio workstation).

He got several quotes from small companies that supposedly specialized in building these animals....they all quoted him in the range of 2000 bucks, and some of the components were substandard.

I told him where to find superior components and I built it for him (part of my sideline as a media/computer consultant).

He got a better, faster and more reliable machine than he could have bought already assembled for about 1500 bucks, labor included.

Oh and including a spare DVD-Rom drive for another comp he had.


Fuck Dell. I almost went to work as a customer support rep in their IT department.

Fortunately I did not.

When they gave me a tour of the call center, the reps that were all on the phone looked like they wanted to die, or like their sole goal in life was to become an axe-murderer.

Not too long afterwards, I found an online article about a guy who had worked for them for several years, and he had a lot to say.

90% of all Dell Customer Support reps have been there less than 6 months.

They are not allowed to think for themselves, even when they know the answer to the problem at hand. They still are required to follow the same carefully worded script.

On top of that, they are required to take a certain number of calls per hour, and are not allowed to spend more than a certain amount of time on a call before they are required to hand the call off to someone with more experience.

In many cases they are required to simply replace the hardware, even if it is fixable, simply to save time.

And that is just scratching the surface.

Good luck. If you buy all that stuff, you are going to have a fire-breathing monster.

:cool:

[Hardrock69]

If you MUST buy a Dell, here is some insider info:

http://www.yekaroo.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=2678

[MERRYKISSMASS2U]

WOW GUYS! thank you all for the great info! this isn't the first pc ive built, i just wanted some insight bc its been a while. fuck mac, fuck nt. linux over all. HR69, i would go dual channel, but i dont feel like having to waste 2 512 sticks in the future ( i plan on filling this thing all the way up to 4gigs in the future).

[MERRYKISSMASS2U]

<a href="http://www.abit.com.tw/test_report/KN8%20SLI/">RAM CHOICES</A> out of those, which would you get?

[m_dixon1984]

I've never had a problem with anything I've bought from Kingston. I've got 4 sticks of their 1Gb PC3200 RAM in my AMD64 machine right now. ASUS motherboard but overall a very similar machine to the one you're building.
M

PS - Thanks for mentioning Ubuntu. It's a Linux distro I'd never heard of (I've been a Fedora/RedHat user for 7-8 years). I downloaded it and am using it right now, in a VMWare virtual machine. Very nice, 5-star vote for you.

[MERRYKISSMASS2U]

dude ubuntu is better than knoppix in terms of hardware detection. I love ubuntu. I think K(de)ubuntu sucks. The only thing i dont like about ubuntu is that clocks run verrry fast on amd64 machines.

[m_dixon1984]

Actually, I've never had a Debian Linux distribution that I've liked more than my normal RedHat/Fedora installations. Knoppix included. I was very impressed with Ubuntu's hardware detection. Since I downloaded it this morning I've successfully installed it in VMWare and MS VIrtual PC as well as a direct installation on a Dell laptop (no VM, full hard drive install). First time I've ever had that much success with a Linux installation, including RedHat/Fedora installations.
Again, I thank you for bringing it my attention.
M

[MERRYKISSMASS2U]

there are some media problems with it... edit /etc/apt/sources.list (here is mine)

deb cdrom:[Ubuntu 5.10 _Breezy Badger_ - Release i386 (20051012)]/ breezy main restricted


deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy main restricted
deb-src http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy main restricted
deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ etch main
## Major bug fix updates produced after the final release of the
## distribution.
deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy-updates main restricted
deb-src http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy-updates main restricted

## Uncomment the following two lines to add software from the 'universe'
## repository.
## N.B. software from this repository is ENTIRELY UNSUPPORTED by the Ubuntu
## team, and may not be under a free licence. Please satisfy yourself as to
## your rights to use the software. Also, please note that software in
## universe WILL NOT receive any review or updates from the Ubuntu security
## team.
# deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy universe
# deb-src http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy universe

## Uncomment the following two lines to add software from the 'backports'
## repository.
## N.B. software from this repository may not have been tested as
## extensively as that contained in the main release, although it includes
## newer versions of some applications which may provide useful features.
## Also, please note that software in backports WILL NOT receive any review
## or updates from the Ubuntu security team.
# deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy-backports main restricted universe multiverse
# deb-src http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy-backports main restricted universe multiverse

deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy-security main restricted
deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy-security main restricted

# deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy-security universe
# deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy-security universe

[MERRYKISSMASS2U]

be sure to get openpgp or enigmail for thunderbird and get a public key.

[m_dixon1984]

Thanks for the tips. Are you recommending OpenPGP and Enigmail because of their improved encryption or because Evolution just sucks as a client?
M

[MERRYKISSMASS2U]

bc evolution sucks.

[DrMaddVibe]

STAY AWAY FROM ALIENWARE!!!!


They're customer service is shit and they build an inferior box!

[m_dixon1984]

Thanks, MKM2U.

Sorry to hear you had a bad experience with Alienware, DrMaddVibe. My best friend owns an Aurora ALX and he swears it's the bext machine he's ever owned. I've spent some time on it and was pretty impressed myself. I'd buy one but since I'm PC support specialist (one of the hats I wear) I insist on saving money by building my own machines. Between the two of us we've helped sell a dozen Alienware PCs and laptops and to the best of my knowledge everyone's happy. Ah, well, I guess everyone's experience is bound to be a little different. I'm just a little sad to hear someone has had problems.
M

[Hardrock69]

Go for the Kingston memory.

I don't know if Infineon or Samsung are better as the "vendor", but the Kingston brand is up there with Corsair as one of the top brands,

[MERRYKISSMASS2U]

Originally posted by m_dixon1984
Thanks, MKM2U.

Sorry to hear you had a bad experience with Alienware, DrMaddVibe. My best friend owns an Aurora ALX and he swears it's the bext machine he's ever owned. I've spent some time on it and was pretty impressed myself. I'd buy one but since I'm PC support specialist (one of the hats I wear) I insist on saving money by building my own machines. Between the two of us we've helped sell a dozen Alienware PCs and laptops and to the best of my knowledge everyone's happy. Ah, well, I guess everyone's experience is bound to be a little different. I'm just a little sad to hear someone has had problems.
M


the $$$ in "Alien$$$ware" is silent.

[MERRYKISSMASS2U]

Originally posted by Hardrock69
Go for the Kingston memory.

I don't know if Infineon or Samsung are better as the "vendor", but the Kingston brand is up there with Corsair as one of the top brands,

I would buy that mem, but the cas lat is a bit low. could you recommend a specific stick?



Originally posted by m_dixon1984
Thanks, MKM2U.

Sorry to hear you had a bad experience with Alienware, DrMaddVibe. My best friend owns an Aurora ALX and he swears it's the bext machine he's ever owned. I've spent some time on it and was pretty impressed myself. I'd buy one but since I'm PC support specialist (one of the hats I wear) I insist on saving money by building my own machines. Between the two of us we've helped sell a dozen Alienware PCs and laptops and to the best of my knowledge everyone's happy. Ah, well, I guess everyone's experience is bound to be a little different. I'm just a little sad to hear someone has had problems.
M

I have a buddy who sells computer stuff to customers like alienware and for mil-related companies (solid state thousand dollar hdd's and shit). He frequently visits the AW complex in Miami, and he says it isnt as nice as you would expect.

[Hardrock69]

04 470-722~725 Kingston KVR400X64C3A/1G Infineon HYB25D512800BC-5 3,3,3,8 D-Non-ECC

There is only one stick of the bunch with faster timings, but it is the first one on the list, and is a company I never heard of.

So the above would be my choice out of the bunch.

[MERRYKISSMASS2U]

Originally posted by Hardrock69
04 470-722~725 Kingston KVR400X64C3A/1G Infineon HYB25D512800BC-5 3,3,3,8 D-Non-ECC

There is only one stick of the bunch with faster timings, but it is the first one on the list, and is a company I never heard of.

So the above would be my choice out of the bunch.

you are invaluable!

[flappo]

IF you have to get a pc ( gaming errr.. etc )

def build yer own , then run linux or better yet os-x

that would be grate !

the main problem with pc's isn't the hardware

it's the shitty lame os that microsuck make

[MERRYKISSMASS2U]

Originally posted by flappo
IF you have to get a pc ( gaming errr.. etc )

def build yer own , then run linux or better yet os-x

that would be grate !

the main problem with pc's isn't the hardware

it's the shitty lame os that microsuck make


you dont have to worry about me running windows! I am an <a href="https://shipit.ubuntu.com/">UBUNTU</a> man.

[Hardrock69]

Originally posted by flappo
IF you have to get a pc ( gaming errr.. etc )

def build yer own , then run linux or better yet os-x

that would be grate !

the main problem with pc's isn't the hardware

it's the shitty lame os that microsuck make

I will venture to say that even though Windoze in general sucks fucking ass, XP can be tweaked to be much better than it is in it's "default" state.

I almost never have problems with it.

And I have heard that Windows Server 2003 is even more stable, and runs half again faster than XP (I know that is a generalization but what the fuck).

[m_dixon1984]

Agreed. It's strange, I make my living because of Microsoft's incompetence but at home I don't have a single machine running Windows natively (I do have numerous vurtual machines running it but, again, that's because I need to stay current for my job). I even have a hacked XBox running Fedora Core 1.
I just keep waiting for the one Linux distibution that can successfully market itself to regular consumers. Corel and Lindows gave it a shot but they just weren't big enough to give Microsoft a run. I keep waiting for Sun to make a move with their Sun Desktop release but I guess it's not in their plans.
Sooner or later I think it will happen but until then I think us Linux desktop users will just have keep laughing behind the backs of the virus and addware infected Windows users.
M

[Hardrock69]

If there could be an interface that would allow Linux to run ALL Windows apps without fail, I would switch.

So far it is too much hassle (as far as I know).

[m_dixon1984]

Running virtual machines is the closest I've found (Windows emulators like WINE don't cut it) but it's hardware intensive and the VM's still don't virtualize good enough hardware to play the newest games. If I ever get bored of playing XBox and Playatation games and decide to start playing on the PC I may have to reconsider my no Windows policy. Until then it's Linux all the way.
M

PS - Oh, yeah, thanks again to MERRYKISSMAS2U. UBUNTU is now my favorite PC/desktop Linux distribution. It's surprising how spending the last 6 months or so getting my MCSE put me out-of-touch with the Linux world.

[MERRYKISSMASS2U]

Originally posted by m_dixon1984
Running virtual machines is the closest I've found (Windows emulators like WINE don't cut it) but it's hardware intensive and the VM's still don't virtualize good enough hardware to play the newest games. If I ever get bored of playing XBox and Playatation games and decide to start playing on the PC I may have to reconsider my no Windows policy. Until then it's Linux all the way.
M

PS - Oh, yeah, thanks again to MERRYKISSMAS2U. UBUNTU is now my favorite PC/desktop Linux distribution. It's surprising how spending the last 6 months or so getting my MCSE put me out-of-touch with the Linux world.


Thank you for trying ubuntu! I love spreading that kinda stuff. If you go to shipit.ubuntu.com, you can order free ubuntu cd's WITH NO S AND H!
Originally posted by m_dixon1984
Agreed. It's strange, I make my living because of Microsoft's incompetence but at home I don't have a single machine running Windows natively (I do have numerous vurtual machines running it but, again, that's because I need to stay current for my job). I even have a hacked XBox running Fedora Core 1.
I just keep waiting for the one Linux distibution that can successfully market itself to regular consumers. Corel and Lindows gave it a shot but they just weren't big enough to give Microsoft a run. I keep waiting for Sun to make a move with their Sun Desktop release but I guess it's not in their plans.
Sooner or later I think it will happen but until then I think us Linux desktop users will just have keep laughing behind the backs of the virus and addware infected Windows users.
M

I dont really want for Linux to become huge on the Desktop. I would like it if Windows crumbled, and I would be happy using a mac because of it's BSD roots.

[FORD]

Originally posted by Phil theStalker
I've got a G4 wit dual processors f4or $2k, butt tit came wit Windows NT. I've installed Linux and XP. Fak da mac!


:spank:

Why would a G4 come with Windoze? :confused:

[FORD]

Originally posted by Hardrock69
If there could be an interface that would allow Linux to run ALL Windows apps without fail, I would switch.

So far it is too much hassle (as far as I know).

What is it that you do in Windows that you can't do in Linux?

About the only thing I keep Windows going for at this point is making DVD's, as Linux isn't there yet. But you couldn't burn audio CD's on Linux 2 years ago without being a command line geek, yet now with K3B you can burn the music as easy as Nero on a Windows. So I know that the DVD authoring is coming.....

Other than that, maybe games could be an issue? I don't keep a lot of games on the PC so I can't speak to the accuracy of something like Cedega (which is like Wine, except it's specifically for running Windows games under Linux)

[Hardrock69]

Games, Pro-Tools level multi-track audio software, a billion video-editing apps, and more.

[flappo]

don't listen to phil

he's mad

[FORD]

Installed Ubuntu 5-10 last night, and it's working great. This might become my favorite Debian-based distro yet.

[MERRYKISSMASS2U]

Originally posted by FORD
What is it that you do in Windows that you can't do in Linux?

About the only thing I keep Windows going for at this point is making DVD's, as Linux isn't there yet. But you couldn't burn audio CD's on Linux 2 years ago without being a command line geek, yet now with K3B you can burn the music as easy as Nero on a Windows. So I know that the DVD authoring is coming.....

Other than that, maybe games could be an issue? I don't keep a lot of games on the PC so I can't speak to the accuracy of something like Cedega (which is like Wine, except it's specifically for running Windows games under Linux)

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