911 Demo: BYU's Professor Jones Has Wide Academic Support

[Hardrock69]

BYU Professor Has Plenty of Company in the Academic Community,
Including 60 Faculty Members from Two Utah Universities
Who Concur a Controlled Demolition Most Likely Brought
Down the WTC and Further Investigation Is Needed


By Greg Szymanski
11-15-5
http://www.arcticbeacon.com/articles/article/1518131/37168.htm


Professor Steven E. Jones is another in the long line of conservatives in the political and academic world joining the 9/11 truth movement and asking to open up further investigations on the true cause of 9/11.


The BYU physics professor who believes the WTC collapsed from a controlled demolition isn't alone in the academic community, as a group of more than 60 colleagues from two universities also agreed with Professor Steven E. Jones' conclusions.

Jones told the Arctic Beacon Saturday in a telephone conversation from Provo, Utah, he first presented his explosive conclusions at Brigham Young University (BYU) on September 22, to 60 people from the BYU and Utah Valley State College faculties, including professors of Engineering, Electrical Engineering, Geology, Mathematics and Psychology.

After presently scientific arguments in favor of the controlled demolition theory, Jones said everyone in attendance from all backgrounds, conservative and liberal, were in total agreement further investigation was needed.

"I was quite surprised how my conclusions were received," said Jones, adding he plans to give two continue telling the public how he came to his startling conclusions essentially ripping apart the official government story that jet fuel brought down the towers, including Building 7.

"In fact, after I researched how Building 7 fell, I am certain there existed pre-positioned explosives to bring down the three buildings."

Jones added that the contingent of faculty members at the September seminar were all in agreement that the government needed to "come clean" and release more that 6,900 photographs and close to 7,000 segments of video footage, now being held from independent investigation by the FBI and other agencies.

Since day one, the Bush administration has safely guarded much of the 9/11evidence, including the WTC steel hauled away by FEMA and eye-witness testimony of basement explosions censored by the 9/11 Commission and the state sponsored press, as well as discrediting many other scientists or academics like Jones who have disagreed with the official story.
"We are calling for the release of all the data, including the videos and photos, in order that a cross-disciplinary, preferably international team of scientists and engineers can reach an independent conclusion," said Jones, adding all 60 professors in attendance agreed with this course of action.

"Since I decided to come forward with my findings, I have found the people in the 9/11 community very supportive and helpful. I hope my contribution will one day help get at the truth of what really happened and specifically how the towers collapsed."

Jones' theory on the way the towers collapsed was presented in a 9,000 word formal paper already approved for publication in an upcoming academic journal. The following is a partial explanation of how and why he came to his conclusions that the WTC most likely collapsed due to pre-positioned explosives. He writes:

"In writing this paper, I call for a serious investigation of the hypothesis that WTC 7 and the Twin Towers were brought down, not just by damage and fires, but through the use of pre-positioned explosives.

"I consider the official FEMA, NIST, and 9-11 Commission reports that fires plus damage alone caused complete collapses of all three buildings. And I present evidence for the explosive-demolition hypothesis, which is suggested by the available data, testable and falsifiable, and yet has not been analyzed in any of the reports funded by the US government.

And the reasoning behind his conclusions can be summed up as follows:

* The three buildings collapsed nearly symmetrically, falling down into their footprints, a phenomenon associated with "controlled demolition" - and even then it's very difficult, he says. "Why would terrorists undertake straight-down collapses of WTC-7 and the Towers when 'toppling over' falls would require much less work and would do much more damage in downtown Manhattan?" Jones asks. "And where would they obtain the necessary skills and access to the buildings for a symmetrical implosion anyway? The 'symmetry data' emphasized here, along with other data, provide strong evidence for an 'inside' job."
* No steel-frame building, before or after the WTC buildings, has ever collapsed due to fire. But explosives can effectively sever steel columns, he says.

* WTC 7, which was not hit by hijacked planes, collapsed in 6.6 seconds, just .6 of a second longer than it would take an object dropped from the roof to hit the ground. "Where is the delay that must be expected due to conservation of momentum, one of the foundational laws of physics?" he asks. "That is, as upper-falling floors strike lower floors - and intact steel support columns - the fall must be significantly impeded by the impacted mass. . . . How do the upper floors fall so quickly, then, and still conserve momentum in the collapsing buildings?" The paradox, he says, "is easily resolved by the explosive demolition hypothesis, whereby explosives quickly removed lower-floor material, including steel support columns, and allow near free-fall-speed collapses." These observations were not analyzed by FEMA, NIST nor the 9/11 Commission, he says.

* With non-explosive-caused collapse there would typically be a piling up of shattering concrete. But most of the material in the towers was converted to flour-like powder while the buildings were falling, he says. "How can we understand this strange behavior, without explosives? Remarkable, amazing - and demanding scrutiny since the U.S. government-funded reports failed to analyze this phenomenon."

* Horizontal puffs of smoke, known as squibs, were observed proceeding up the side the building, a phenomenon common when pre-positioned explosives are used to demolish buildings, he says.

* Steel supports were "partly evaporated," but it would require temperatures near 5,000 degrees Fahrenheit to evaporate steel - and neither office materials nor diesel fuel can generate temperatures that hot. Fires caused by jet fuel from the hijacked planes lasted at most a few minutes, and office material fires would burn out within about 20 minutes in any given location, he says.

* Molten metal found in the debris of the World Trade Center may have been the result of a high-temperature reaction of a commonly used explosive such as thermite, he says. Buildings not felled by explosives "have insufficient directed energy to result in melting of large quantities of metal," Jones says.

* Multiple loud explosions in rapid sequence were reported by numerous observers in and near the towers, and these explosions occurred far below the region where the planes struck, he says.

For Jones' full report go to www.physics.byu.edu/research/energy/htm7.html.

[Hardrock69]

Wells Fargo Card From a Flight 11 Passenger Turns Up in Perfect Condition One Year After the Fact

he ATM card of Waleed Iskandar was returned to his
parents, allegedly found by the Ground Zero Recovery
Team on Sept. 11, 2002. Questions remain as to why
it turned up a year later and
how could such a flimsy card
survive such a towering
inferno?
14 Nov 2005

By Greg Szymanski



One year after 9/11, as unbelievable as it sounds, the parents of a Flight 11 passenger were notified by the Ground Zero Recovery Team that they found the unscathed Wells Fargo ATM card of their son who allegedly perished on the doomed flight.

After being notified of the miraculous find on Sept. 11, 2002, Joseph and Samia Iskandar were sent their son$B!G(Bs bank card within days, noting it was in $B!H(Bperfect condition,$B!I(B but asking the obvious question: $B!H(BHow could a plastic card survive the fire of the terrorist attack of the Black Tuesday on the USA?$B!I(B

The question about the strange return of their son$B!G(Bs bank card has been placed on a web site memorial, remembering their 34-year-old son, Waleed, a Harvard MBA graduate listed as one of the passengers that perished when Flight 11 allegedly smashed into the North Tower.

The Iskandar$B!G(Bs were unavailable for comment after numerous calls were not answered, but receipt of the card was verified by another close family member, as well as a photographic duplicate of the ATM card also being placed on the Iskandar web site, proving its existence and return in almost perfect condition.

Besides an enlarged picture of the card on the site, the Iskandar$B!G(Bs also placed the following message regarding the return of their son, Waleed$B!G(Bs, Wells Fargo ATM card:

$B!H(BOn September 11 2002, one year Anniversary of the death of our son, we were informed that the Recovery Team at Ground Zero have found the ATM Bank card of Waleed and that it will be mailed to us in Northridge. When we received it, we found it in good condition,$B!I(B Walleed$B!G(Bs parents wrote.

$B!H(BHow could a plastic card survive the fire of the terrorist attack of the Black Tuesday on the USA? I consider it as a sign from Waleed to his parents on the first Anniversary of his loss.$B!I(B

What the Iskandar$B!G(Bs mean by $B!H(Ba sign from Waleed$B!I(B is unknown, but it can either be construed as a miracle from heaven that he is safely in a better place, a sign that his personal belongings were tampered with and he died in another location or a sign he is still alive but unable to communicate with his parents.

Although it$B!G(Bs impossible to come to a solid conclusion, the $B!F(B government spooks$B!G(B of 9/11 holding the real truth, no one including the Iskandar$B!G(Bs can doubt the miraculous nature of such a recovery, considering the devastation at the WTC, as well as strange nature of the timing of the return of their son$B!G(Bs bank card, occurring one year after the fact.

One observer who wants to remain anonymous and who claims the FBI planted numerous pieces of bogus evidence at all locations on 9/11 to justify an equally bogus official 9/11 story, had this to say about the Iskandar ATM card:

$B!H(BI guess his ATM card must have slid out of his wallet, flown out of his pocket, then out of his seat and around the seat belt, then through the exploding jet fuel and debris, out of the building, then to be found picture perfect!$B!I(B

The miraculous recovery of Iskandar$B!G(Bs ATM card is not the only piece of 9/11 evidence suspected of being planted by the FBI. Recently, the Arctic Beacon first reported a first responder at the Pentagon finding a perfectly intact California ID card of one of the alleged Flight 77 passengers.

Capt. Jim Ingledue said two days after 9/11 he found the perfectly unscathed ID of Susanne Calley, 42, one of the alleged passengers, adding he thought the find $B!H(Bhighly unusual and strange to find a perfectly intact card amidst the devastation and rubble at the Pentagon.$B!I(B

But what makes the Iskandar ATM card even more suspicious and intriguing than even Calley$B!G(Bs ID card is that it was returned one year later. Why one year after the fact? Where was it found? Was it used in the interim? But, most importantly, how on earth could a plastic card, normally contained inside a man$B!G(Bs wallet or his pocket, survive a massive explosion that completed consumed an airliner as well as pulverized a 100 story skyscraper?

However, besides the possibility that Calley$B!G(Bs ID and Iskandar$B!G(Bs ATM card were both planted by the FBI, the same question was also ignored by the press and authorities the day after 9/11 when miraculously the unscathed passport of Satam Al Suqami, one of the alleged 19 Arab terrorists, turned up several blocks from Ground Zero.

Although ABC News and the Associated Press played up the importance of the Suqami passport, linking 9/11 to the Arab hijackers, serious questions were never raised in the press or by the 9/11 Commission as to the credibility and authenticity of the find.

And now with the Calley ID and the Iskandar ATM card, both turning up in perfect condition like the passport, it only triples the necessity of launching a full scale investigation into the possibility that all three items were planted by the FBI in an attempt to hoodwink the American people into believing the official 9/11 story, a story that has so many holes that it makes a perfectly good piece of Swiss cheese look like a solid object.

Furthermore, the simple reason an investigation is desperately needed, now more than ever in light of the Calley and Iskandar discoveries, is that the more pieces of $B!H(Bmiracle evidence$B!I(B that surface, the better the chances the evidence is bogus.

Besides the Al Suqami passport, numerous other accounts of suspicious evidence have conveniently surfaced linking the alleged hijackers to 9/11, including two of the alleged ringleader, Mohamed Atta's bags also found right after 9/11.

Not only did authorities find the bags but they conveniently contained a handheld electronic flight computer, a simulator procedures manual for Boeing 757 and 767 aircraft, two videotapes relating to $B!H(Bair tours$B!I(B of the Boeing 757 and 747 aircraft, a slide-rule flight calculator, a copy of the Koran, Atta's passport, his will, his international driver's license, a religious cassette tape, airline uniforms, a letter of recommendation, $B!H(Beducation related documentation$B!I(B and a note to other hijackers on how to mentally prepare for the hijacking.

Again the state sponsored media jumped on the story, running in the Associated Press, Boston Globe and other papers in the weeks following 9/11, further perpetuating the government$B!G(Bs 9/11 myth without even asking the obvious question:

$B!H(BIf the hijackers could pull off the perfect crime, fooling the entire U.S. military, how could they be so stupid and leave such incriminating evidence behind unless it was planted and set up by the FBI/CIA/Mossad agents?$B!I(B


http://www.arcticbeacon.com/articles/article/1518131/37240.htm

[ELVIS]

How 'bout trying to do something about $B!G(...

[FORD]

So.... we have a fire that's hot enough to melt steel frames 100 stories down, yet it doesn't touch American express cards or Mohammed Atta's paper passport?

If you actually believe this, then you might as well be a fundamentalist Muslim, because a fire that would melt steel but NOT plastic or paper could only come from a supernatural source.

So either it truly was Allah's will, or the BCE is lying.

[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by FORD
So.... we have a fire that's hot enough to melt steel frames 100 stories down, yet it doesn't touch American express cards or Mohammed Atta's paper passport?

If you actually believe this, then you might as well be a fundamentalist Muslim, because a fire that would melt steel but NOT plastic or paper could only come from a supernatural source.

So either it truly was Allah's will, or the BCE is lying.

Funny, but from what I've seen, nobodies' claimed the steel "melted." I've heard the steal was structurally weakened by the fires' heat, like the center of the spoon that becomes malleable when heated. It buckled, it didn't "vaporize."

[ELVIS]

Exactly correct, Nick...

[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by ELVIS
Exactly correct, Nick...

LOL I posted a thread on this stuff based on "Liberal" PBS' "FRONTLINE." They came to this inescapable conclusion.

Any building is going to have problems when hit by airliners weighing several tons (almost full up with fuel) at nearly 500mph.

[diamondD]

Stuff gets blown away from explosions. It's not that hard to believe if you have common sense.

[FORD]

Exactly NOT correct, Nick.

There were pools of molten metal from the frame found in the sub basement of the WTC.

So, either the frame melted or some other force melted the bottom end.

What would be powerful enough to liquify steel?

There would have to be a bomb in the basement operating completely independent of the airplanes some 80 stories up

[ELVIS]

Originally posted by FORD

There were pools of molten metal from the frame found in the sub basement of the WTC.

First of all, It's hard to believe ANYTHING you say, because you have an agenda behind everything...

So, either the frame melted or some other force melted the bottom end.

Ground zero was still smoldering weeks after the collapse of the towers, and fires were often still burning after multiple attempts to put them out...

What would be powerful enough to liquify steel?

Heat, but nobody said it was liquified...

There would have to be a bomb in the basement operating completely independent of the airplanes some 80 stories up

Whatever...:rolleyes:






:elvis:

[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by FORD
Exactly NOT correct, Nick.

There were pools of molten metal from the frame found in the sub basement of the WTC.

So, either the frame melted or some other force melted the bottom end.

What would be powerful enough to liquify steel?

There would have to be a bomb in the basement operating completely independent of the airplanes some 80 stories up

What kind of metal, aluminum?"


Investigations of fires in other buildings with steel have shown that fires don't usually even melt the aluminum, which melts around 1,200°F. Most fires don't get above 900°F to 1,100°F. The World Trade Center fire did melt some of the aluminum in the aircraft and hence it probably got to 1,300°F or 1,400°F. But that's all it would have taken to trigger the collapse, according to my analysis.

http://www.rotharmy.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=560902#post560902

[FORD]

So why were the fires still burning days later? It's because the temperature was much hotter.

As it states in the article at the top of this thread,

• Steel supports were "partly evaporated," but it would require temperatures near 5,000 degrees Fahrenheit to evaporate steel — and neither office materials nor diesel fuel can generate temperatures that hot. Fires caused by jet fuel from the hijacked planes lasted at most a few minutes, and office material fires would burn out within about 20 minutes in any given location, he says.

• Molten metal found in the debris of the World Trade Center may have been the result of a high-temperature reaction of a commonly used explosive such as thermite, he says. Buildings not felled by explosives "have insufficient directed energy to result in melting of large quantities of metal," Jones says.

For something to cool from 5000 degrees to room temperature is going to take a while.

Another thing that some of you must have overlooked in the article, and perhaps in you own memory of the buildings' collapse, is this:

• With non-explosive-caused collapse there would typically be a piling up of shattering concrete. But most of the material in the towers was converted to flour-like powder while the buildings were falling, he says. "How can we understand this strange behavior, without explosives? Remarkable, amazing — and demanding scrutiny since the U.S. government-funded reports failed to analyze this phenomenon."

If you watch a video of the tower's collapse, you will notice they seem to hang in mid air for a second and then just drop instantly. This is EXACTLY what happens in a controlled demolition, as the explosions literally pulverize the concrete and turn it to dust.

And here's a question I don't believe anybody on this forum ever even asked, and didn't even occur to me until just now.....

If the floors truly pancaked upon each other straight down, as the BCE official story claims, then why did the outer metal frame disintegrate?

Rip apart, possibly. Twist away and fall from the wreckage in other directions? Highly likely.

But they didn't. Except for that one chunk that remained as part of the Ground Zero moonscape for several weeks, the frames of the WTC ceased to exist.

So what happenned to the outer frames?

[tobinentinc]

Ok, say this conspiracy is right on. Why would they need to place bombs in buildings that were already targeted to have planes flown into them? Further more, why would this whole 9/11 attack be a fix?

[Warham]

http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/defense/1227842.html?page=1&c=y

Read it and weep, you loons.

[ELVIS]

Thank you, Warpig...:D

I'm on page three...

Nice find...


:elvis:

[LoungeMachine]

Originally posted by ELVIS
Thank you, Warpig...:D

I'm on page three...

Nice find...


:elvis:

:rolleyes:

Nice Find?

It was posted in here 6 months ago.

[Warham]

Some people need a refresher around here. Common sense has been lost on some members of the Army.

[ELVIS]

Originally posted by LoungeMachine
It was posted in here 6 months ago.

I was not online 6 months ago...

[LoungeMachine]

Originally posted by ELVIS
I was not online 6 months ago...


Did we forget to thank you? ;)

[ELVIS]

You know you love me...;)


Well, now that we have debunked the 9-11 conspiracy theories, what do you tin foil freaks have to say ??

[FORD]

Originally posted by Warham
http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/defense/1227842.html?page=1&c=y

Read it and weep, you loons.

Ah yes, the propaganda piece written by MICHAEL CHERTOFF'S NEPHEW. I remember that bullshit well. :rolleyes:

[diamondD]

Attack the messenger when you can't dispute the message...

[FORD]

Originally posted by tobinentinc
Ok, say this conspiracy is right on. Why would they need to place bombs in buildings that were already targeted to have planes flown into them? Further more, why would this whole 9/11 attack be a fix?

The whole 9/11 attack was a fix, because it was precisely what the PNAC agenda required, a "new Pearl Harbor" designed to shock and horrify the American public into supporting PNAC's global fascist agenda.

The planes, particularly the second one, which nearly everyone with a TV saw live, and everyone else saw repeatedly on tape were the visual shock. Then, to have the towers collapse an hour or so later, while you are still in shock, drives it even harder into the psyche.

And the charges were neccessary because the planes themselves could not, and did not bring down the towers alone.

Had it just been the plane crashes, the towers themselves probably could have been repaired. The lower halves might have even remained open for business, as they did after the 1993 bombing.

[FORD]

Originally posted by diamondD
Attack the messenger when you can't dispute the message...

Both the messenger and the message are horseshit in this case. Anyone related to these fascist traitors cannot be trusted for a factual analysis.

[ELVIS]

Originally posted by FORD
The whole 9/11 attack was a fix, because it was precisely what the PNAC agenda required, a "new Pearl Harbor" designed to shock and horrify the American public into supporting PNAC's global fascist agenda.

The planes, particularly the second one, which nearly everyone with a TV saw live, and everyone else saw repeatedly on tape were the visual shock. Then, to have the towers collapse an hour or so later, while you are still in shock, drives it even harder into the psyche.

And the charges were neccessary because the planes themselves could not, and did not bring down the towers alone.

Had it just been the plane crashes, the towers themselves probably could have been repaired. The lower halves might have even remained open for business, as they did after the 1993 bombing.

Dude,

YOU ARE FULL OF FUCKING SHIT !!


:rolleyes:

[diamondD]

Originally posted by FORD
Blah Blah Blah repeat

But still, you can't prove it wrong. Just like you can't dispute the 100s of people who saw that passenger plane before it hit the Pentagon. But that doesn't stop you from babbling about how it still can't be true.

[LoungeMachine]

Originally posted by diamondD
Attack the messenger when you can't dispute the message...

Gee, isnt that the philosophy that got you idiots in trouble with Fitzgerald ????????

:rolleyes:

[Warham]

I've never attacked Fitzgerald, actually.

[diamondD]

Me either. But it's not like facts get in the way of accusations around here.


:rolleyes: back at ya

[LoungeMachine]

Oh for christsake you morons.....


ATTACKING THE MESSENGER OF THE BAD NEWS [WILSON] IS WHAT GOT YOU IDIOTS [LIBBY, ROVE] IN TROUBLE WITH FITZGERALD


Eat your Wheaties for fuck sake, I hate having to spell shit out for you

[diamondD]

I'm not part of that group, so fuck off.

[Warham]

Originally posted by LoungeMachine
Oh for christsake you morons.....


ATTACKING THE MESSENGER OF THE BAD NEWS [WILSON] IS WHAT GOT YOU IDIOTS [LIBBY, ROVE] IN TROUBLE WITH FITZGERALD


Eat your Wheaties for fuck sake, I hate having to spell shit out for you

Wilson's a fucking liar too. Him AND his wife. Actually anybody at the CIA can't be trusted.

[FORD]

Originally posted by Warham
Wilson's a fucking liar too. Him AND his wife. Actually anybody at the CIA can't be trusted.

Because they have been a subsidiary of the BCE from day one.

However, at this point they seem to be the more sane portion of the BCE, relatively speaking. Very loyal to Poppy and pissed that his Idiot Son is the one fucking up everything.

[Warham]

I don't see how they can be a subsidiary of Poppy Bush's fictional BCE. They've been against Dubya since day one of his presidency. Doesn't sound like a family-run business to me.

[FORD]

The CIA was founded by Prescott Bush and the Dulles brothers. Poppy was in since the late 50's if not earlier. Jeb was assigned to Florida to assume supervision of the Cuban exiles and to oversee the family "agricultural imports" business out of Miami when Poppy moved to the White House.

Jeb openly listed his employer as the CIA (http://www.newsmeat.com/washington_political_donations/Jeb_Bush.php) at one point. Junior assisted him on a few drug runs, but wasn't ever formally with the agency, as far as I know.

Probably because he was too fucking stupid to get in. Legacy enrollment might work at Harvard and Yale, but not at Langley.

[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by Warham
Wilson's a fucking liar too. Him AND his wife. Actually anybody at the CIA can't be trusted.


Originally posted by FORD
Because they (the CIA) have been a subsidiary of the BCE from day one.

However, at this point they seem to be the more sane portion of the BCE, relatively speaking. Very loyal to Poppy and pissed that his Idiot Son is the one fucking up everything.

You are both delusional.

The CIA is as much a creation of Democratic Administrations as it is "BCE."

And people that have access to the means and info. to accurately judge a situation "can't be trusted" because they refuse quietly drink the "Neo Con, rat-poison laced, Kool-Aid" of the politization of intelligence?

[ELVIS]

Originally posted by FORD
The CIA was founded by Prescott Bush and the Dulles brothers. Poppy was in since the late 50's if not earlier. Jeb was assigned to Florida to assume supervision of the Cuban exiles and to oversee the family "agricultural imports" business out of Miami when Poppy moved to the White House.



You should pitch your CIA puzzle idea to Hasbro or Milton Bradley...

You might get rich...:D

[diamondD]

Originally posted by FORD
Junior assisted him on a few drug runs, but wasn't ever formally with the agency, as far as I know.




As far as you know? Where did you get this info? Sources please...

[ELVIS]

He makes that bullshit up...

FORD just throws these things out there like he's some authority on these subjects...

I'm sure he gets his dick sucked at some of those conspiracy sites, but not here...

[FORD]

Originally posted by diamondD
As far as you know? Where did you get this info? Sources please...

One such adventure was the one in your own backyard...... (http://www.voxfux.com/features/bush_crime_family.html)

[ELVIS]

Originally posted by FORD
One such adventure was the one in your own backyard...... (http://www.voxfux.com/features/bush_crime_family.html)

The page you are looking for is currently unavailable. The Web site might be experiencing technical difficulties, or you may need to adjust your browser settings. Or FORD, being full of shit as always, is trying to feed you some more BCE bullshit.


:elvis:

[diamondD]

Most recently, the Secret Bush Brothers Video, which allegedly shows

George Jr. and Jeb with a formidable quantity of cocaine-an allegedly

controlled substance-has surfaced, at the same time as the withdrawal

of a purported Bush scandal book by a New York publisher.


Cocaine is an allegedly controlled substance?


You believe this fairy tale bullshit that offers no proof, just allegations?

Just keep calling the rest of us sheep. :rolleyes:

[diamondD]

Oh, so the Clinton Mena stories are false, and the Bush Mena stories are automatically true? Yeah, that makes sense.