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Nickdfresh
11-23-2005, 03:17 PM
Getting the Lowdown on Iraq
By SALLY B. DONNELLY

Posted Monday, Nov. 21, 2005

If the Repulblican Chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee wants to get a second opinion on how the war in Iraq is going, where does he turn? To the Pentagon, but not to the top brass this time. In an unusual closed-door meeting on Capitol Hill last week, Virginia's John Warner, joined by Democratic Senators Carl Levin of Michigan and Mark Dayton of Minnesota, sat across the table from 10 military officers chosen for their experience on the battlefield rather than in the political arena. Warner rounded up the battalion commanders to get at what the military calls "ground truth"--the unvarnished story of what's going on in Iraq.

"We wanted the view from men who had been on the tip of the spear, and we got it," said John Ullyot, a Warner spokesman who declined to comment on what was said at the meeting but confirmed that some Capitol Hill staff members were also present. According to two sources with knowledge of the meeting, the Army and Marine officers were blunt. In contrast to the Pentagon's stock answer that there are enough troops on the ground in Iraq, the commanders said that they not only needed more manpower but also had repeatedly asked for it. Indeed, military sources told TIME that as recently as August 2005, a senior military official requested more troops but got turned down flat.

There are about 160,000 U.S. troops now in Iraq, a number U.S. commanders in the region plan to maintain at least through the Iraqi national assembly elections on Dec. 15. But the battalion commanders, according to sources close to last week's meeting, said that because there are not enough troops, they have to "leapfrog" around Iraq to keep insurgents from returning to towns that have been cleared out. The officers also stressed that the lack of manpower--rather than of protective armor or signal jammers--posed one of the biggest obstacles in dealing with roadside bombs, which have caused the majority of U.S. casualties in Iraq. The commanders, according to the meeting sources, said there are simply "never enough" explosives experts on the ground. So far, no officer has been willing to go on record to complain about the need for more troops. But there is one positive sign: the Army recently decided to double the number of explosives experts to 2,500 over the next few years.

From the Nov. 28, 2005 issue of TIME magazine (http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1132819,00.html)

Phil theStalker
11-23-2005, 08:54 PM
Originally posted by Nickdfresh
Getting the Lowdown on Iraq
By SALLY B. DONNELLY

Posted Monday, Nov. 21, 2005
Nick,

Wot troubles yoo, mmy mman?


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Nickdfresh
11-24-2005, 01:06 AM
Originally posted by Phil theStalker
Nick,

Wot troubles yoo, mmy mman?


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The fact that the BUSH Administration sits and spins this War to no end, whilst being contradicted by the people actually on the ground (whom they apparently don't listen to).

It's as simple as this, for a complete military victory in IRAQ, we virtually need to draft and train an ARMY of light infantry, not continually rotate the same relative few...

Nobody wants to face the ugly truth.

ODShowtime
11-24-2005, 12:02 PM
It's pretty telling that they need to circumvent the top brass to get accurate information.

Everyone now knows how untrustworthy gw&friends are.

But some of you morons still support them.

Phil theStalker
11-25-2005, 02:21 PM
Originally posted by Nickdfresh
The fact that the BUSH Administration sits and spins this War to no end, whilst being contradicted by the people actually on the ground (whom they apparently don't listen to).

It's as simple as this, for a complete military victory in IRAQ, we virtually need to draft and train an ARMY of light infantry, not continually rotate the same relative few...

Nobody wants to face the ugly truth.
Nick,

You've taken your eyes off the real truth.

The real truth is that 'we' don't need t2o be fighting in Iraq.

And that's uglier than the 'ugly' truth you speak of.

Do you remember, "Mission Accomplished"?

Well, then it's time t2o come OUT OF IRAQ!

These are the things that make revolutions.


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