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Nickdfresh
12-10-2005, 11:18 AM
December 10, 2005

Protesters in China Said to Be Killed
Police allegedly open fire on farmers seeking compensation for seized land and cordon off the village. State media and government are silent.

By Mark Magnier, Times Staff Writer (http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-china10dec10,0,3211541.story?track=tottext)

BEIJING — Heavily armed riot police tightened their grip on a village in southern Guangdong province today after fatally shooting residents earlier in the week who were protesting a power project, villagers and human rights groups said.

The state media have released no information on the incident in Dongzhou village, and a police cordon has blocked access.

If the number of deaths is confirmed, however, this would be among the deadliest known incidents of official force used against Chinese citizens since the military fired on protesters in Tiananmen Square in 1989.

Local protests have increased in China, many involving land seizures, labor disputes and corruption. In most cases, local authorities manage to end them through intimidation, concessions or arrests.

"They killed 10 farmers," said a 39-year-old resident reached by telephone, who would identify himself only by his surname, Chuang. "I saw several people near me shot in the chest…. Even during the occupation, the Japanese weren't this bad. Now our own police are killing people."

Other residents put the number of dead between two and 20, and said several dozen were missing in the village of 10,000.

Residents said more than 500 protesters, some carrying sticks, had gathered in front of government offices Tuesday about 10 p.m., frustrated at not receiving compensation for land seized to build a wind power plant.

The discontent had been brewing for months. But after authorities sought to detain protest leaders, the crowd tried to block police cars from moving into the village, said farmers who participated in the demonstration. Police then fired tear gas and live ammunition, they said.

Protesters scattered, the participants said. One farmer scoffed at reports that police opened fire after protesters set off explosive devices.

"We're just farmers," said the farmer, who identified himself only as Lin. "How could we possibly have explosives?"

Other participants said they were unsure about any explosives, given the confusion.

Provincial and local officials and police in Dongzhou and neighboring Shanwei city declined to comment.

A woman at the People's Hospital of Shanwei, who refused to identify herself, denied anything had happened. "In small places, people often exaggerate things," she said.

Residents said they were told by power plant managers that a substantial sum had been paid to local officials to distribute to farmers losing land, but that it was never passed on to them. Work on the $743-million project started a year ago. The two units are scheduled for completion by 2007.

"Without land, we have no income," said Jiang, a tomato farmer with three children. "Thousands of police are all around our village. The kids' school has been shut and our family is holed up in the house."

"The brother of my friend was shot dead," said Cai, an 18-year-old resident, in a telephone interview. "He was 21. His parents, brother and sister knelt crying in front of police. They've been crying for days."

Some villagers said they hoped the central government would act against local corrupt officials.

"The police have total authority, they can surround villages or do whatever they want to isolate people," said Wu Guoguang, a professor at Canada's University of Victoria and a pro-reform government aide prior to the Tiananmen massacre. "Why would they do something so radical as to kill people?"

Human rights activists called for an independent investigation and said the incident underscored the need for reform of China's property rules, a source of enormous local frustration.

Technically, all property still belongs to the state. Corrupt officials often exploit this to seize land that farmers have tilled for generations, then turn around and sell it to developers.

"Courts are not the answer because there's no real law for property," said Kenneth Roth, executive director of Human Rights Watch. "It's a recipe for major problems."

Residents said the police who opened fired Tuesday appeared to be from the area, but reinforcements sent later were outsiders equipped with armor, shields and machine guns. Experts said it was unclear whether local police had panicked and exceeded their authority, or whether there had been a policy shift by the central government.

"Part of the pattern is continued tension and inadequate central control over local governments," said Sharon Hom, executive director of the New York-based Human Rights in China. "This doesn't take Beijing off the hook, but there are tensions between local police and other arms of government. It's not a monolith."

Jean-Philippe Beja, a senor fellow with the Paris-based Center for International Studies and Research, said the central government usually opposes strong shows of force. But indications are that Beijing also gave more authority to local officials to deal with unrest after villagers in Taishi, also in Guangdong province, tried to eject a local official over corruption charges.

Dongzhou villagers said they had been driven to the brink of desperation. Chuang said he used to earn $1,200 a year from his farm, but without his land, he can scratch together only $40 a month doing small repair jobs.

"These corrupt officials are dogs, they eat nice meals every day and leave us nothing," he said. "Police are everywhere, but we're no longer afraid of death since they took our means of living."

FORD
12-10-2005, 01:36 PM
How does "FUCK THA POLICE" translate into Chinese? :mad:

kentuckyklira
12-11-2005, 01:52 PM
Well, since "made in China" is everywhere in thr USA (can you say "Wal-Mart") that´s OK then. Saddam Hussein having his own people killed on the other hand!!!!

Unchainme
12-11-2005, 05:20 PM
When are the Chinese going to get pissed off and overthrow their Government Like they almost did in 1989?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/d8/Tianasquare.jpg

Pastor Bruce S.
12-12-2005, 06:07 AM
Them damn Chinese are the biggest violators of human rights in the world. Look at the house church movement in China. It's great to see the Word of God flourishing in China. And what does the Chinese government do? They arrest and persecute all the heads of these house churches. You don't think we have an eye on you, China. You are the paper tiger of the world!

Just wait you soy sauce sucking-green tea tingling-fortune cookie farting-kimchee kissing-chopstick chomping-peking duck peeing-buckteeth-squinty eyed-sushi slicing-teriyaki tasting-geisha girl giggling-rickshaw pulling-karate kicking-tae kwon do tumbling-railroad building-banzai bozos! Once the USA is done with the craqs of Iraq. We are going to get you! You think you have a nuclear bomb building program? Well, the home of the red, white, and blue are half a century and thousands of bombs ahead of you liquor store owning-Mr. Miyagis. We will bomb you all the way to Shanghai and back. Don't mess with the US! :mad:

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kentuckyklira
12-12-2005, 07:08 AM
Originally posted by Pastor Bruce S.
Them damn Chinese are the biggest violators of human rights in the world. Look at the house church movement in China. It's great to see the Word of God flourishing in China. And what does the Chinese government do? They arrest and persecute all the heads of these house churches. I wish they´d do that here in Europe too! Religion is the root of all evil!

Jérôme Frenchise
12-12-2005, 08:28 AM
I recently read about massive expropriations of Chinese farmers. My fave satyric paper sent two journalists in China a couple of months ago. They reported about an extremely messy situation in the country; one of them was badly beaten up by some local militiamen during a clash with protesting farmers.
The government has the police do their dirty work and, what is worse, militiamen are accredited by State to control the very numerous peasants in the country, who are massively dispossessed. Those unofficially state militias are somehow licensed to kill, as rebel farmers are shot every day in China for protesting against the appropriation of their lands by Beijing.
Add millions and millions of exploited workers (15-hour days' work in sweatshops, more and more of them living in rabbit hutches that are adjacent to their factories), and all that comes along with the rotting of Chinese society, and you get more than necessary to trigger off an awesome revolution.

Pastor Bruce S.
12-12-2005, 08:33 AM
Originally posted by kentuckyklira
I wish they´d do that here in Europe too! Religion is the root of all evil!
Get out of here you euro-trash ukelele. What have you krauts ever done for the world? Other than inject steroids so you guys can cheat at the Olympics. Remember why the U.S. of A is the greatest nation ever in the history of the world. We were a nation founded on God's word and principles.

Religion is the root of all evil huh? Buddy, know that the entire free world is that of Judeo-Christian societal values.

You're outta here! Kentucky Kraut!

FORD
12-12-2005, 09:25 AM
It's amazing that someone can actually summon this much stupidity so early on a Monday morning......

Pink Spider
12-12-2005, 09:49 AM
Originally posted by Pastor Bruce S.
Just wait you syoy sauce sucking-green tea tingling-fortune cookie farting-kimchee kissing-chopstick chomping-peking duck peeing-buckteeth-squinty eyed-sushi slicing-teriaki tasting-geisha girl giggling-rickshaw pulling-karate kicking-tae kwon do tumbling-railroad building-banzai bozos! Once the USA is done with the craqs of Iraq. We are going to get you! You think you have a nuclear bomb building program? Well, the home of the red, white, and blue are half a century and thousands of bombs ahead of you liquor store owning-Mr. Miyagis. We will bomb you all the way to Shanghai and back. Don't mess with the US! :mad:
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True Christian love® at work!

You probably couldn't locate Korea or Japan on a map anyway much less tell them apart from China.

Nickdfresh
12-12-2005, 11:17 AM
Originally posted by FORD
It's amazing that someone can actually summon this much stupidity so early on a Monday morning......

Comes from hour upon hour of careful meditation and prayer (with his head up his ass).

I'm sure the CHINESE are really quaking behind their three-million man army and several dozen nuclear warheads.

Pastor Bruce S.
12-12-2005, 10:12 PM
Originally posted by Nickdfresh
Comes from hour upon hour of careful meditation and prayer (with his head up his a**).

I'm sure the CHINESE are really quaking behind their three-million man army and several dozen nuclear warheads.
Ah chu and his 3 million minion red army better be quaking. You think 3 million minions even stand a chance against the the most powerful military of all time with the finest trained All-American boys?

We have the best training and latest in technological advances. For every M16 we put in the hands of our boys, chinaman charlie puts a sharpened chopstick in Beni Hana's hands. Let's see, American training in the latest military tactics vs. salt throwing into the eyes and then throwing firecrackers? Hmmm? Wonder who's going to take it?

Smart money would be on the U.S.A.. Just what side are you on?

Nickdfresh
12-12-2005, 10:17 PM
:rolleyes:

Nitro Express
12-13-2005, 01:07 PM
Yeah, go here and you can see the chopsticks for yourself: http://www.sinodefence.com/

I lived in both Hong Kong and Shanghai. 25 years ago the People's Rupublic of China has been open and I visited in 1980. It was a third world country where they still used steam engines and people rode bicycles instead of cars. Now those same areas have high rise buidlings, freeways, and lots and lots of cars. Bejing looks like LA now with a fully functioning state of the art freeway system, traffic jams and all.

When I was taking engineering classes in college it was the students from China who were the curve killers. One Chinese girl would get perfect scores and ruin the curve. Funny, China and other Asian countries graduate engineers and scientists while the United States graduates more social workers and the brain drain of US students has never been higher.

China is building it's military at a record pace, they have the worlds money, they have spent the past 30 years educating people in foriegn universities. Not exactly Joe Chopstick anymore.

Plus you are mixing the Japanese, Chinese, Koreans, and Vietmese up in your stupid racist comments.

This is all going on when the US is running a record trade deficite, is graduating mostly idiots, has a military full of aging equipment. Lets not forget it's the Chinese who are financing our war in Iraq because we don't have the money to finance it ourselves.

The Chinese have systematicaly been ruining US business intrests by appealing to corporate America's greed. Key industries like bearing manufacturing, tool manufacturing, and electronics have moved to China. If we go to war with them we will have to build a military machine ASAP, and my main question is with what? Our factories and steel mills are closed. Key people like master machinists are in short supply. Race car drivers have a hard time even getting a cam profiled in the US nowadays. That leaves one weapon system, nukes. God help us because China is on the fast track and will have everything the Soviet Union had but better.

Pastor Bruce S.
12-13-2005, 01:45 PM
What are you? Some kind of samurai-shogun-sweet&sour pork-sympathizer?

YOU'RE OUTTA HERE!!!!!!!!

Nickdfresh
12-13-2005, 01:54 PM
Originally posted by Pastor Bruce S.
What are you? Some kind of samurai-shogun-sweet&sour pork-sympathizer?

YOU'RE OUTTA HERE!!!!!!!!

You must try hard to be this retarded...

Pastor Bruce S.
12-13-2005, 01:56 PM
China is the world's biggest whore who would do anything for the U.S. Dollar. Speaking of whores. Do you know the numbers of their world leading human trafficking problem. Tricking young women into the U.S. only to have them "work" to pay off a $180,000 debt. Sickening.

And about your Chinese students raising the grading curve theory. Remember Nitwit! These are the same people who throw salt in your eyes and are infamous for their sneak attacks. Does Pearl Harbor ring a bell? What about them ambushing our young boys in Nam with their sneaky jap tactics?

Hey buddy, tell your professors to lower that grading curve becasue Charlie Chan has been cheating on the exams. What's new?

GET OUTTA HERE, NITWIT EXPRESS!!!!! :mad:

Nickdfresh
12-13-2005, 02:12 PM
How many dollars do you give 'em?

So, we're going to invade CHINA now to stop human trafficking once we figure out a miracle victory in IRAQ using the same methods and troop levels which have not really been working for the past three years?

Pastor Bruce S.
12-13-2005, 02:15 PM
Originally posted by Nickdfresh
You must try hard to be this retarded...
Don't call me retarded, boy. I make my statements based on cold, hard facts. You know we have an outreach to the Chinese community and if you had to hear the horror stories of what these Oriental girls tell us is stomach wrenching. Stories of exploitation and human slavery. If you had to deal with this, you would have a hard time being objective towards them Chinese.

FORD
12-13-2005, 02:18 PM
This joke got old a long time ago.

Only pussies (and foot lickers like Wayne) hide behind AOL proxies.