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frets5150
12-12-2005, 12:24 PM
A Ground Zero Grows in Los Angeles
LOS ANGELES (Dec. 12) -- Scores of extras loiter, their faces covered in soot. A man sprays gray insulation foam - in lieu of concrete dust - at what looks much like the corner of Church and Vesey Streets in Lower Manhattan. Another tosses reams of paper in the air. Nearby, others are debating precisely how to crush a fire truck and an ambulance.

And just over there, across a dirt road in this isolated industrial tract not far from Marina del Rey, the twisted facade and mangled girders of the wreckage of the World Trade Center are taking shape into a meticulously rendered mockup of ground zero.

A continent removed from the scrutiny of scarred New Yorkers, Oliver Stone's film about 9/11 rescue workers is deep into its second month of principal photography. And crew members working round the clock are dressing one of the most sensitive movie sets imaginable.

The film, which as of now is to be called, simply, "World Trade Center," tells the story of two Port Authority police officers, John McLoughlin and Will Jimeno, who were the last two rescue workers pulled from ground zero alive. It is billed as an uplifting story about everyday New Yorkers helping one another amid a cataclysmic tragedy. So for 20 days in October and November, the cast and crew were in the New York metropolitan area, filming at the police desk in the Port Authority bus terminal and along the route the officers took downtown on the morning of Sept. 11, 2001. They filmed scenes on the Staten Island ferry, the Long Island Rail Road and a subway train in Brooklyn. They shot in Clifton, N.J., near Mr. Jimeno's house, and in other suburbs.

But now, as the production turns to the grim heart of this story - the scenes inside the World Trade Center, and inside the horrific pile it became; the discovery of the two officers 30-odd feet below the surface by an accountant who had donned his old Marine fatigues; and their extrication after a long and arduous night by teams of rescue workers - the shooting of Mr. Stone's movie is being done where it will attract far less attention: in and around the gigantic airplane hangar where Howard Hughes once built the Spruce Goose.

"Obviously, not to do it in New York was crucial, because it would offend the sensibilities of some New Yorkers," said Mr. Stone, who is one himself. "Others may look at it as a memorial, a good memorial, something that's powerful. Any memorial is subject to criticism; it's how you do it. I hope we do a good job."

The producers allowed a reporter and photographer from The New York Times to visit the set in hopes that the first images of this staged ground zero would be placed in context, rather than risking that unauthorized photographs hit the blogosphere devoid of any explanation.

"Sensitivity and accuracy, at the end of the day, are the same thing," said Michael Shamberg, who is producing the movie for Paramount Pictures with his business partner, Stacey Sher. "Because of what we've heard from the police, firefighters, civilians, the Port Authority, everyone who was there that day, loved ones - they said, 'Tell the story accurately so people understand what happened.' You can't do the Hollywood version."

The production brings its own credibility: Donald J. Lee Jr., the film's executive producer, was taking his children to school, crossing the Avenue of the Americas and West Eighth Street, when the twin towers were attacked. And Jan Roelfs, the production designer, was atop the Empire State Building to shoot a music video for Lenny Kravitz.

"The hard thing is, everybody knows it so well," said Mr. Roelfs, speaking both of the geography of Lower Manhattan and of the contours of ground zero itself. "There's not much creativity here."

Mr. Roelfs and his team of designers drew on the volumes of available data - including three-dimensional scans of the rubble field, blueprints of the trade center and interviews with many of the survivors - to reproduce what is essentially a one-acre swath of the 16-acre site

Hundreds of carpenters, he explained, had hand-carved thousands of beams from Styrofoam, molded rubber into countless strands of stand-ins for shredded reinforcing bars, and assembled all of this inside a pit erected atop stacks of cargo containers.

At its core, the mockup of ground zero will be full-size, and as close to an exact replica as is practical, Mr. Roelfs said. At the perimeter, where fragments of the towers' facade are meant to loom in the distance, it is 65 feet high, or about half-scale; smoke and nightfall will complete the illusion, he said.

The scene is even eerier inside the old airplane hangar, where the production team rebuilt a portion of the World Trade Center concourse - complete with period handbags in the Coach storefront, clothing in the Banana Republic windows and shoes from Johnston & Murphy.

There is the elevator shaft where Mr. Jimeno, who is played by Michael Peņa, and Mr. McLoughlin, who is played by Nicolas Cage, had leapt in the instant before the concourse collapsed on top of them.

And a few yards away, suspended on cables from the hangar's ceiling, is a three-dimensional sculpture of the design team's best guess of what the officers' immediate surroundings looked like as they struggled to stay alive - with a very small space for the two actors to squeeze in.

"You get actors in there, they're already getting claustrophobic," Mr. Roelfs said.

The producers of the movie, which is scheduled for release in August, had hoped to shoot extensively in Lower Manhattan, said Mr. Lee, the executive producer, who said he lost five friends in the attack. "I wanted to shoot toward St. Paul's," he said. "I wanted to shoot towards the Woolworth Building." But city officials refused to allow anything below Canal Street, he said.

Eventually, he said, officials relented for two scenes: Mr. Stone was able to film a volunteer rescuer crossing a barricade to get to ground zero. And he was able to shoot cast members in a city bus and a police S.U.V., driving down West Broadway toward the trade center complex.

With those exceptions, whatever verisimilitude the movie achieves will come from digital renderings of the Lower Manhattan streetscape, and from carefully chosen substitute locations. A street in downtown Los Angeles stood in for Manhattan's Barclay Street, with crew members tossing debris in the air.

If sensitivity and accuracy were somewhat in tension in New York, they seem not to be in Los Angeles: an earthen berm and an adjacent construction project conceal or camouflage the set in every direction except for a few houses that overlook it from the top of the Westchester bluffs.

The palm trees in the distance, Mr. Roelfs promised, would never make it into the frame.

Filming at ground zero will begin next month, he said, as he walked up to the spot beneath which the real-life police officers were discovered. And considering how carefully this set has been built, it is still an unusually dangerous one, with foam girders shifting underfoot and steep drops at any given step.

"It's kind of odd," Mr. Roelfs said, surveying his brutal sculpture. "You know it so well, suddenly you stand in the middle of it, and God - it's awful."


Man nothing's Sacred anymore Fuckin MONEY HUNGRY Film makers
:rolleyes:

UGS
12-12-2005, 06:09 PM
You never really know what Olver Stone's agenda is. People might take this as really distasteful, especially coming out right near the five year mark after the attacks.

I can see this movie bombing at the box office (no pun intended).

bobgnote
12-12-2005, 06:22 PM
Charles Manson - Look At Your Game Girl
Submitted By: CaMME
EMail: mafiaisgood2@hotmail.com


There's a time for livin'
The time keeps on flyin'
Think you're lovin' baby
And all you're doin' is cryin'
Can you feel? Are those feelings real?
Look at your game girl
Look at your game glrl
What a mad delusion
Livin' in that confusion
Frustration and doubt
Can you ever live without the game
The sad sad game
Mad game
Just to say you love is not enough
If'n you can't be true
You can tell those lies baby
But you're only foolin' you
Can you feel are those feelin's real
Look at your game girl
Go on look at your game girl
If'n you can't feel
And the feelin's ain't real
Then you better stop tryin'
Or you're gonna play cryin'
Stop tryin' or you're gonna play cryin'
That's the game
Sad sad game
Mad game
Sad game

This makes slightly more sense than what was here originally.....

Nickdfresh
12-12-2005, 06:51 PM
FORD!? Your weed-eater!:mad:

FORD
12-12-2005, 08:57 PM
Originally posted by Nickdfresh
FORD!? Your weed-eater!:mad:

Yeah, between him and Pastor AOLtroll, and 4gayqueers I've really been slacking off lately :(

bobgnote
12-14-2005, 08:31 PM
LA is quite probably getting nuked sometime in the zone of September 2008-December 7, 2008, relative to:
1. the 67th anniversary of Pearls before FAGGOT SWINE like Ford;
2. the 7th anniversary of 9/11/01;
3. Halloween;
4. the Hilary election in November 2008.

Here's a Polk at you, you're gonna JOKE at it TWO, you're gonna LOSE THAT SMILE because all the while, YOU SUCK, harder and harder, all the time! Got a JK Polk HS in LA or not?

You are GOING TO HAVE PROBLEMS getting into and out of Dodge and the venerable stadium, or so I believe, since I know about base 10, numbers, Arabic numerals, and how it's time to rap Ford real hard, since we only have small time left, to bypass fags like Ford and get a job done. OR, you won't be standing around to look DOWN, like funny David the fagbait singer did, for Ain't Talking About LOVE, he must have seen Ford is a FAGGOT.

We won't meet, I don't expect. Why this site lets a fag like Ford roam is why DLR isn't getting any more rock, just more FAGS ON BOARD.

Nickdfresh
12-14-2005, 10:08 PM
Originally posted by 4moreyears
This is starting to resinate through the forum.

Yeah, all the retards/trolls are up in arms...

Nitro Express
12-14-2005, 11:18 PM
Oliver Stone has made some pretty good movies in the past but is Oliver Stone stoned? It's pure bad taste to make a movie like that. It's impossible to make an accurate movie and I'm sure not ready to see 9/11 again and I didn't know anyone who died in that tradegy. Can you imagine if you did?

I used to work in film production and I know enough about it to know you really don't know what kind of movie you have until it releases and you see the publics reaction. Not only is a movie like this distasteful it's stupid. Stone is sticking his neck way out on this one and if he loses his head, it's all his fault. I can't imagine a studio financing such a risk.

Cathedral
12-14-2005, 11:52 PM
It got financed because it is a story of two figher fighters who survived the collapse.
He would have made it without the ground zero set if he could, but it is an integral part of the tragedy those two particular hero's experienced.
I don't think it is in bad taste at all given what it is actually about, which isn't the attacks, but the telling of the story of two people who lived through it and returned to their lives.

Of course we'll just have to wait and see how it turns out.

Oliver Stone isn't a stupid man, and he knows he'd better handle this one gently or else.
I'll give him the benefit of the doubt until i see it.

DLR'sCock
12-15-2005, 01:20 AM
Yes, the movie is about these firefigthers that survive 9/11.