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Ally_Kat
12-16-2005, 04:54 PM
Smoking foes try to stop parents from lighting up
By Tarron Lively
THE WASHINGTON TIMES
Published December 16, 2005


Anti-smoking activists who are driving cigarettes from public places across the country are now targeting private homes -- especially those with children.

Their efforts so far have contributed to regulations in three states -- Maine, Oklahoma and Vermont -- forbidding foster parents from smoking around children. Parental smoking also has become a critical point in some child-custody cases, including ones in Virginia and Maryland.

In a highly publicized Virginia case, a judge barred Caroline County resident Tamara Silvius from smoking around her children as a condition for child visitation.

Mrs. Silvius, a waitress at a truck stop in Doswell, Va., calls herself "highly disappointed" with the court's ruling. "I'm an adult. Who is anybody to tell me I can't smoke or drink?" she said in an interview yesterday.

An appeals court upheld the ruling, but not before one judge raised questions about the extent to which a court should become involved in parental rights and whether certain behavior is harmful or simply not in a child's best interest.

Mrs. Silvius says she complied with the decision by altering her smoking habits. "My children know not to come around when I'm on the front porch with my morning coffee, tending to my cows or out in my garden, because I'm having a cigarette," she said.

Still, she thinks this was not a matter for the courts because it was not proven that she posed a risk to her children's health. "If a child suffers from asthma or some sort of problem, the courts shouldn't even have to be told to [step in]," Mrs. Silvius said. "That should be the parent's better judgment. But my kids aren't sick. If there's no health issue, it isn't the court's place to say someone can't do something that's perfectly legal, just because the other spouse doesn't want them to."

The smoking-at-home issue also sparked debate about whether such rulings will lead courts to become involved in such matters as parents' making poor TV programming choices for their children.

The nonprofit group Action on Smoking and Health is among the most outspoken on stopping parents from smoking around children. "Children are the most vulnerable and the most defenseless victims of tobacco smoke," Executive Director John F. Banzhaf III said. "They should be entitled to the same protection as adults."

Mr. Banzhaf, also a professor of public interest law at George Washington University, said most complaints are made by nonsmoking ex-spouses, although some are filed by neighbors, relatives and physicians.

Maryland's Department of Human Resources, which provides adoption services, considers smoking a factor in deciding who will receive a child, but guidelines do not specifically address the issue.
"It's discussed and presented and looked at by caseworkers," said Judith Eveland, a program manager for the agency.

However, Miss Eveland said the agency would welcome regulations on restricting smoking in the homes of foster children.
"We certainly would be supportive [given] all the health issues associated with smoking," she said.

Adele L. Abrams, an attorney in Prince George's County specializing in child custody, divorce and family law, said smoking has been a factor in several custody disputes in recent years.
"Restraints might be put on visitation if one parent insists upon smoking or bringing in a girlfriend or boyfriend who smokes," said Ms. Abrams, whose practice serves the District and Anne Arundel, Baltimore, Howard and Montgomery counties.

She said children have a "more protective status" and that laws should protect children from secondhand smoke just as they are protected from parents and guardians who drink excessively or use drugs.
"Frankly, if it was a factor before the divorce, it's going to be a factor after the divorce," she said, "particularly if the child has asthma or some other respiratory disease."

Mindy Good, spokeswoman for the D.C. Child and Family Services Agency, said foster parents are not prohibited from smoking, but prospective ones are screened to fit a child's best interests.
"People who smoke are not barred from becoming foster parents," she said. "However, we are careful about children who have certain medical conditions. We would not, for example, place a child who has asthma in the home of a smoking foster parent. We are careful about those issues."

Jérôme Frenchise
12-16-2005, 05:14 PM
There will soon be assholes at everybody's home, checking out how you stick your fingers in your nose... FUCK THAT SICKENING SPIRIT!! RRRRHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAA! :mad: :mad: :mad:

FORD
12-17-2005, 02:20 AM
I would hope that people would develop the good sense not to smoke indoors with children present.

That said, I don't believe it's up to the government to monitor if - or what - someone smokes on their own property.

twonabomber
12-17-2005, 02:45 AM
i agree. there are far bigger issues they should be sticking their nose in.

bueno bob
12-17-2005, 06:43 PM
We smoke in our bedroom, with the door outside open...but, as usual when it comes to smoking regulations, the federal government can suck my dick.

Fine me, I'll pay it.

Alex Mogilny
12-19-2005, 09:40 AM
I have a four year old. I smoke like a chimney. Hey, wait a minute, the little boy is SMALL for his age; he looks a little yellow as well.

HMMMM, maybe they are on to something here...


j/k.....I have a little girl.

jero
12-19-2005, 09:42 AM
What the fuck!!!!!!

blonddgirl777
12-19-2005, 11:16 AM
Reminder: statistics haven't changed... second hand smoke kills.


People who IMPOSE second hand smoke on any innocent individul that can't just "leave if their not happy"
(like children) are selfish and abusive.

In Canada, a child has the right to life and health protection and the gvmt is no longer counting on people's good will to react and take actions...

The children protection agencies enter houses when they have reasonable doubts about a child's safety and it has been proven to save a lot of kids from being misstreated.

Why couldn't children that are victims of second hand smoke benefit from the same rights?

If parents don't care about their children's health... SOMEBODY has to.

blonddgirl777
12-19-2005, 11:21 AM
Originally posted by Alex Mogilny
I have a four year old. I smoke like a chimney. Hey, wait a minute, the little boy is SMALL for his age; he looks a little yellow as well.

HMMMM, maybe they are on to something here...

At least, YOU realise that...
You are not trying to ignore the facts and defend your point, only to justify your addiction.

I know that quitting smoking is extremely hard but I see it as another "sacrifice" parents have to make
for their kids...

HELLVIS
12-19-2005, 11:27 AM
My wife smokes.......

HELLVIS
12-19-2005, 11:27 AM
OUTSIDE!

HELLVIS
12-19-2005, 11:29 AM
It's 10 degrees right now. If only you could see her in her robe on the deck. It really is pretty sad.

blonddgirl777
12-19-2005, 11:31 AM
Originally posted by Jérôme Frenchise
There will soon be assholes at everybody's home, checking out how you stick your fingers in your nose...


Jérôme,
It is not very elegant for a French man like you, to stick his fingers in his nose!
L.O.L...

As for your (French) laws on smoking in public places...
2 years ago, I got in a nasty fight with 2 Parisiens that where smoking me up in the ELEVATOR!
It was their right to make ME cough...

HELLVIS
12-19-2005, 11:35 AM
I'm sure that they were being blinded by your radiance, and were merely trying to create a smoke screen to protect thier eyes from your beauty!

blonddgirl777
12-19-2005, 11:39 AM
Originally posted by HELLVIS
It's 10 degrees right now. If only you could see her in her robe on the deck. It really is pretty sad.

I am not too good with metric conversion but...

Here, when I see a bunch of people outside a building, at minus 35 degrees celcius,
smoking cigarettes halves (at $8.00 a pack)...

I feel sorry for them but at least, the only ones that are freezing their ass and will suffer later is themselves...

blonddgirl777
12-19-2005, 11:46 AM
Originally posted by HELLVIS
I'm sure that they were being blinded by your radiance, and were merely trying to create a smoke screen to protect thier eyes from your beauty!

L.O.L...

But don't forget, I was in France...
Usually, those French men will do anything to look at a girl!
I probably turned them off with my arguments?
:o

HELLVIS
12-19-2005, 11:49 AM
Originally posted by blonddgirl777
L.O.L...

But don't forget, I was in France...
Usually, those French men will do anything to look at a girl!

:o

What?!! Are you kidding? You are a dream. You bathe and shave!:D

blonddgirl777
12-19-2005, 11:50 AM
Anyway, HELLvis...
Don't you get naturally all smoked up in SOUTH OF PURGATORY ?

At least you don't get the tar and the nicotine etc...

HELLVIS
12-19-2005, 11:52 AM
Originally posted by blonddgirl777
L.O.L...

But don't forget, I was in France...

I probably turned them off with my arguments?
:o

Have you not seen Pepe LePew cartoons?

blonddgirl777
12-19-2005, 11:59 AM
Originally posted by HELLVIS
What?!! Are you kidding? You are a dream. You bathe and shave!:D

I am not sure if that is an important feature over there...
Maybe they just wanted to get rid of all that nasty body wash, lotion and perfume odors I was imposing on them :confused:

Ally_Kat
12-19-2005, 02:09 PM
Originally posted by blonddgirl777


People who IMPOSE second hand smoke on any innocent individul that can't just "leave if their not happy"
(like children) are selfish and abusive.



I dunno if I would go that far. It is highly addictive and hard to quit. I hung out with my father all the time when he went outside to smoke and walked with him all the time when he was smoking. I turned out perfectly fine. I would never view him as selfish or abusive. He made sure I knew how addictive it was and encouraged me not to take up the habit.

blonddgirl777
12-19-2005, 03:01 PM
Originally posted by Ally_Kat
I dunno if I would go that far. It is highly addictive and hard to quit. I hung out with my father all the time when he went outside to smoke and walked with him all the time when he was smoking. I turned out perfectly fine. I would never view him as selfish or abusive. He made sure I knew how addictive it was and encouraged me not to take up the habit.

I hear you...

I grew up the exact same way (father smoking)...

My sis. and I ended up addicted, and my Mom., who had never smoked one cig. in her life has now lung deseise due to 2nd. hand smoke.

Nonetheless... I don't see my Dad. as selfish and abusive either.
(Yes, I went a little far)

20 years ago, nobody spoke about lung cancer, gum deseise, asthma etc...
Smoking was "armless" and you could smoke in planes and hospitals...

But now, in 2006, with a law opposing smoking around children???
Unfortunately I can't ask my Dad's opinion as he is dead but I have a strong feeling that he would have chosen to smoke outside, wait until the car ride is over etc... instead of opposing to such a law...

Ally_Kat
12-19-2005, 03:24 PM
My Dad's dead, too, from cancer not connected to smoking. I'm pretty sure he would have opposed it. Hell, the taking smoking out of bars was ridiculous. Not to mention the tax hikes on cigarettes. That's just taking advantage of an addiction. And there's talk about adding a junk food tax for people who have the munchies. How far is too far? This is America. We should be able to eat whatever we want.

blonddgirl777
12-19-2005, 04:12 PM
Originally posted by Ally_Kat
This is America. We should be able to eat whatever we want.

I agree...

On the other hand, here in our socialist province, we don't like to pay off our income taxes and many other taxes for those who don't want to prevent...

In the U-S, where everyone has to be responsible for their own health care...
I agree... eat and smoke whatever you want!
But on this side of the border, fast food and cigarette is extremely expensive to our socialised health care system.

And since that system his having a real hard time providing $$$, I guess our government wants us to "be aware"???

Terry
12-21-2005, 09:36 PM
Carlin said it best: Fuck the children.

My world doesn't revolve around kids. Shit, when I was growing up, kids did what the fuck they were told to or caught a beating.

Anti-smoking activists wanna do something to REALLY clean up the air, let's see them all carpool...or better yet, fucking WALK to work, if they're so goddamned concerned about their health. Let's see them do something that will have a substantive effect on the environment and call on them for a real sacrifice greater than telling someone ELSE what not to do.

Fuckin' maggots.

Anywho, got a Marlboro red callin' my name. Back in 5.

Ally_Kat
12-21-2005, 09:46 PM
Originally posted by Terry
Carlin said it best: Fuck the children.

My world doesn't revolve around kids. Shit, when I was growing up, kids did what the fuck they were told to or caught a beating.



Exactly! But now you have to give them time-outs. Hell, my parents thought nothing of smacking my rear if I stepped out of line and I ended up alright. My cousin's kid on the other hand gets those pansy time outs and she's the most spoiled brat I've ever met.

Terry
12-21-2005, 10:17 PM
Problem with kids:

Overindulged, with no expectations or responsibilities placed on them, and no accountability.

Been the trend for a few generations now.

Take away the tv, video games, Britney Spears clothes and reinstitute a good smack when they're acting like jackasses. Maybe, just maybe, you'll start to see a reversal in the trend of self-absorption and people accepting blame for their own fuckups.

Take a good look around at today's 'adults'. Prime example of what happens when you adopt fruity, baby-boomer 'let little johnny do whatever he wants' strategies for child raising. Main reason why we have a nation full of fucked-up mommys boys and desperate housewives.

Anyway, I love smoking.