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BigBadBrian
12-19-2005, 11:27 AM
U.S. sub may have toured Canadian Arctic zone
'We don't have any idea what's going on up there': expert

Chris Wattie, National Post
Published: Monday, December 19, 2005

A U.S. nuclear submarine cruised through the Arctic Ocean last month -- probably passing through Canadian territorial waters -- but the federal government is refusing to say whether it gave permission for the voyage.

However, experts say it is highly unlikely Canada was even notified of the USS Charlotte's northern tour, which included a Nov. 10 stop at the North Pole, because it has no way of tracking what goes on beneath the Arctic ice.

And that could threaten Canada's claim to hundreds of thousands of square kilometres of the North, including the Northwest Passage route across the Arctic, said Michael Byers, who holds the Canada research chair in global politics and international law at the University of British Columbia.

"This is very important -- it's crucial," he said. "Any unauthorized passage could have a serious effect on our claim."

Prof. Byers said potentially lucrative oil and gas resources off the Queen Elizabeth Islands could slip out of Canadian control if foreign navies are operating in the Arctic without our permission. "The fact of the matter is that we've spent nothing on Arctic sovereignty over the past 20 years."

Pierre Leblanc, a retired colonel and former commander of the Canadian Forces' northern command, said foreign submarines have been travelling through the Canadian Arctic for decades, but the federal government usually finds out about it only by accident.

He said the nations controlling the submarines -- the Americans, British and French -- usually do not tell Canada when their vessels enter the Arctic. "We're relying on their goodwill to know if they're in our waters or not."

The latest underwater trip through the Arctic came just before the federal election call last month. USS Charlotte, a Los Angeles-class fast attack submarine, left its home base in Pearl Harbor, sailed through the Bering Strait between Alaska and Russia and cruised under the Arctic ice pack to the pole.

The nuclear-powered sub spent more than 24 hours at the top of the world, giving its 154 crew members the chance to walk on the windswept ice and even play a quick football game in the -45C temperatures.

The Charlotte then submerged and headed to Halifax for a port visit, en route to a refit at the naval base at Norfolk, Va.

U.S. Navy spokesmen would not give details about the Charlotte's route, but the shortest southerly course would have taken it past Ellesmere Island, through the Nares Strait and into Canadian waters.

Col. Leblanc doubts the Americans informed the Canadian government of the trip, let alone sought permission for it. "I don't think they told us a thing: I don't think they told anyone," he said.

"In the submarine world, they don't tell anyone anything about where they go or when they go there unless they have to."

If the Charlotte did sail through Canadian territory en route to Halifax, the U.S. submariners likely believed they were fully entitled to do so.

Canada and the United States have disagreed for decades about the extent of Canada's territorial waters in the Arctic.

Canada claims water 12 nautical miles out from the Queen Elizabeth Islands, and all the straits and inlets as its internal waters. The Americans say those are international waterways that are free for anyone to cross, including the Northwest Passage.

Lieutenant-Commander John Coppard, a spokesman for the Canadian navy, would not say whether the U.S. sub strayed into Canadian territory, nor would he confirm whether the Americans sought our permission if so, or even notified Ottawa if the sub was to sail through the Canadian part of the Arctic.

"We do not discuss the movements of allied [nations'] submarines," he said, adding: "One would expect that a naval vessel transiting Canadian waters would seek the appropriate diplomatic clearances."

However, Rodney Moore, a spokesman for Foreign Affairs, said any notification would have come through military channels. "It probably wouldn't come to us and we wouldn't comment on it even if it did," he said. "If anyone had it, it would be DND [the Department of National Defence]."

Bill Graham, the Defence Minister, did not return telephone calls seeking comment on the issue.

David Rudd, the president of the Canadian Institute of Strategic Studies, said successive federal governments have for decades pursued a policy he describes as "out of sight, out of mind."

"It's an unspoken policy of willful ignorance," he said. "If the public doesn't know about it, they're not going to agitate for more spending to monitor the North and protect our sovereignty. And serious surveillance of the North is a very expensive proposition."

Prof. Byers said Canada has only five small and ageing icebreakers, none of which is capable of operating year-round. "We have the longest coastline in the world, much of which is under ice for most of the year, and we don't even have an all-weather icebreaker," he said.

"We don't even have a federal government helicopter north of 60 -- not a single one."

He warned that if Canada cannot keep watch on its vast northern territory, we could lose control over the Northwest Passage, a 5,000-kilometre sea route through the Canadian Arctic that climatologists say could be open to commercial vessels within the next 10 years as a result of global warming and the retreating northern ice pack.

"Our enforcement capability is embarrassing," he said. "[And] that sends a message to other countries that we aren't really serious about our sovereignty or about enforcing our laws in our own territory."

Col. Leblanc said Canada is not even spending the bare minimum on northern sovereignty. While he was military commander in the North, he said even the handful of flights over the vast Arctic territory claimed by Canada were cut sharply.

"The number of planned observation flights in 2000 was zero. In '99, there were two," he said. "And this is for an area the size of Europe."

"We don't have any idea what's going on up there."

Link (http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/story.html?id=fb21432a-1d28-415e-b323-ceb22d477732&k=69493&p=2)

WACF
12-19-2005, 12:15 PM
Another link...

http://www.navy.mil/search/display.asp?story_id=21223

USS Charlotte Achieves Milestone During Under-Ice Transit
Story Number: NNS051201-11
Release Date: 12/1/2005 5:02:00 PM



By Lt. j.g. Dave Ozeck, Commander, Submarine Force, U.S. Atlantic Fleet Public Affairs

NORTH ATLANTIC OCEAN (NNS) -- The improved-Los Angeles-class fast attack submarine USS Charlotte (SSN 766) arrived in Norfolk, Va., Nov. 29, following an historic transit that began in Pearl Harbor, Hawaii, and took the boat under the arctic ice cap.

During the transit, Charlotte surfaced at the North Pole, ascending through 61 inches of ice - a record for a Los Angeles-class submarine.

Upon reaching the Pole, the boat commenced a 12-hour underwater search of the ice canopy, utilizing specialized ice avoidance and side scan sonar systems. Once an ideal location was found, the ship performed a flawless vertical ascent.

Even though the wind chill factor reached a low of –50°F while surfaced, the 137 crew members and 17 officers on board reveled in the once-in-a-lifetime opportunity for "ice liberty." Some of the men took pictures, while others filmed a “Spirit Spot” for the Army/Navy football game. A few even played a game of football themselves.

Charlotte Commanding Officer Cmdr. Dennis Carpenter was thrilled that the crew enjoyed a fun and safe 18 hours of ice liberty.

“Conducting an under-ice transit presented both unique challenges and rewards for the Charlotte team,” Carpenter said. “I am very proud of the men on board who engaged the situation head-on, and I am ecstatic that they were able to experience a North Pole surfacing.”

To ensure safety, several sets of floodlights were arranged on the surface to compensate for the complete lack of sunlight. Also, the submarine’s independent duty corpsman verified that each crew member wore appropriate clothing for the extreme temperature.

Underway for the transit were two guests, Lt. James Winsor, a submarine qualified officer of the Royal Navy, and Travis King, known affectionately by the crew as the “Ice Pirate,” a civilian arctic expert of the U.S. Navy’s Arctic Submarine Laboratory who has made countless under-ice trips throughout his career.

The newly-christened crew of “Bluenoses,” a nickname for Sailors who have crossed the Arctic Circle, had nothing but positive things to say about the whole experience.

“I couldn’t believe how dark it was at the Pole. It was pitch black and incredibly cold, but it was still really exhilarating,” said Yeoman 3rd Class (SS) Guadalupe Deleon, who was one of the first crew members topside. “After all, how many people can say they have been at the North Pole?”

Prior to commencing the transit, the crew underwent a demanding workup period designed to train the crew for the unusual Arctic environment. Specific attention was paid to proper and safe navigation in the polar region and ice avoidance.

Charlotte is undergoing a temporary change of homeport in order to undergo a major Depot Modernization Period (DMP) at the Norfolk Naval Shipyard, Portsmouth, Va. Upon conclusion of the availability, the submarine will return to its home port of Pearl Harbor, Hawaii.

FORD
12-19-2005, 12:21 PM
Did they visit Santa Claus when they were at the North Pole?

Seshmeister
12-19-2005, 12:21 PM
Why does anyone care about this?

kentuckyklira
12-19-2005, 12:28 PM
I always thought the first two Mad Max movies were fiction. I guess Dubya wants them to become reality!

WACF
12-19-2005, 12:29 PM
I think it goes back to the cold war...Russian subs using the artic to move and hide.

I do not see it being a big deal now...what does it really matter.
There is talk of oil or minerals but the fact is it would be damn expensive to extract.
They are still trying to figure out how to get the deep crude here on the praries.

One of the bigger reasons we bought the UK Upholder class subs were because they could go North without surfacing.

Full Bug
12-19-2005, 12:33 PM
Originally posted by Seshmeister
Why does anyone care about this?
Nobody here cares either, and I live here.....

ODShowtime
12-19-2005, 06:30 PM
Prof. Byers said potentially lucrative oil and gas resources off the Queen Elizabeth Islands could slip out of Canadian control if foreign navies are operating in the Arctic without our permission. "The fact of the matter is that we've spent nothing on Arctic sovereignty over the past 20 years."

He said the nations controlling the submarines -- the Americans, British and French -- usually do not tell Canada when their vessels enter the Arctic. "We're relying on their goodwill to know if they're in our waters or not."

I know BBB loves parts like that.

Come on Canada, get on it!