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Guitar Shark
12-19-2005, 07:23 PM
CNN (http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/12/19/bush.poll/index.html)

Iraq speeches, election don't help Bush
New poll: A majority doesn't approve of his handling of Iraq

Monday, December 19, 2005; Posted: 5:22 p.m. EST (22:22 GMT)

On Sunday, Bush called Iraq "an ally of growing strength in the fight against terror."

A CNN/USA Today Gallup poll conducted over the weekend found his approval rating stood at 41 percent, while more than half, or 56 percent, disapprove of how the president is handling his job. A majority, or 52 percent, say it was a mistake to send troops to Iraq, and 61 percent say they disapprove of how he is handling Iraq specifically. The margin of error was plus or minus 3 percentage points.

The poll interviews were conducted before President Bush's Oval Office address, which was broadcast on primetime television Sunday. (Read what he said.)

Although half of those surveyed considered Iraq's first full-term parliamentary election since the ouster of Saddam Hussein either a major or key step toward the U.S. achieving its goals in Iraq, only 40 percent felt the U.S. was winning the war. Half said that neither side was winning. (View poll results)

The poll was nearly split, 49 percent to 47 percent, between those who thought the U.S. will either "definitely" or "probably" win, and those who said the U.S. will lose. That said, 69 percent of those polled expressed optimism that the U.S. can win the war. The margin of error for how respondents assessed the war was plus or minus 4.5 percentage points.

When asked how long U.S. troops will stay in Iraq, more than four out of five respondents, or 82 percent, said they believed U.S. troops will be there from one to three years, if not longer. Only 17 percent believe U.S. troops will return home in a year or less.

As for how long U.S. troops should stay in Iraq, an overwhelming number of people, or 88 percent, said U.S. troops should stay no longer than three years. Nine percent felt that U.S. troops should stay longer. More than half, or 59 percent, say U.S. troops should leave by this time next year.

Although half those polled said that a stable government in Iraq was likely within a year, 62 percent said Iraqi forces were unlikely to ensure security without U.S. assistance. And 63 percent said Iraq was unlikely to prevent terrorists from using Iraq as a base. The margin of error on questions pertaining to troop duration in Iraq, as well as the country's future, was plus or minus 3 percentage points.

The poll interviewed 1,003 adult Americans and found that the public has also grown more skeptical about Bush's key arguments in favor of the war. Compared with two years ago, when 57 percent considered Iraq a part of the war on terrorism, 43 percent think so now. In the weekend poll, 55 percent said they view the war in Iraq as separate from the war on terror. The margin of error on this line of questioning was plus or minus 3 percentage points.

On the domestic front, 56 percent of those polled say they disapprove of how Bush is handling the economy; by contrast, 41 percent approve. The margin of error was plus or minus 3 percentage points.

The president may find support for his call to renew the Patriot Act. Forty-four percent said they felt the Patriot Act is about right, and 18 percent said it doesn't go far enough. A third of respondents say they believe the Patriot Act has gone too far in restricting people's civil liberties to investigate suspected terrorism.

Nearly two-thirds said they are not willing to sacrifice civil liberties to prevent terrorism, as compared to 49 percent saying so in 2002. The margin of error was plus or minus 4.5 percentage points for those questions.

blueturk
12-19-2005, 07:29 PM
The sheep will gladly tell you that polls are worthless. Unless Dubya's ratings go up....

FORD
12-19-2005, 08:16 PM
With the truth coming out about this fascist spying bullshit, look for Santa to leave Chimpy a big lump of coal in next week's numbers.

Warham
12-19-2005, 08:41 PM
FORD, they've been spying on us since FDR was president.

Nickdfresh
12-19-2005, 09:06 PM
Originally posted by Warham
FORD, they've been spying on us since FDR was president.

Not totally untrue.

But the capacity for information gathering has grown exponentially, to the point that it not only threatens civil liberties, but it overwhelms the analysts trying to decipher this stuff...

In any case, safeguards for civil liberties and privacy were set up in the early 70's, and BUSH circumvented them...

Warham
12-19-2005, 09:11 PM
From the Echelon article I posted, on one of these supposed 'safeguards' they installed in the 70's.

"The Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court (FISC)

In response to the discovery of such a comprehensive effort by previous administrations and the intelligence agencies, Congress passed legislation (the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act of 1978)<41> that created a top-secret court to hear applications for electronic surveillance from the FBI and NSA to provide some check on the domestic activities of the agencies. In 1995, Congress granted the court additional power to authorize surreptitious entries. In all of these actions, Congressional intent was to provide a check on the domestic surveillance abuses mentioned above.

The seven-member court, comprised of federal District Court judges appointed by the Supreme Court Chief Justice, sits in secret in a sealed room on the top floor of the Department of Justice building. Public information about the court’s hearings is scarce; each year the Attorney General is required by law to transmit to Congress a report detailing the number of applications each year and the number granted. With over 10,000 applications submitted to the FISC during the past twenty years, the court has only rejected one application (and that rejection was at the request of the Reagan Administration, which had submitted the application).

While the FISC was established to be the watchdog for the Constitutional rights of the American people against domestic surveillance, it quickly became the lap dog of the intelligence agencies. Surveillance requests that would never receive a hearing in a state or federal court are routinely approved by the FISC. This has allowed the FBI to use the process to conduct surveillance to obtain evidence in circumvention of the US Constitution, and the evidence is then used in subsequent criminal trials. But the process established by Congress and the courts ensures that information regarding the cause or extent of the surveillance order is withheld from defense attorneys because of the classified nature of the court.<42> Despite Congress’s initial intent for the FISC, it is doubtful that domestic surveillance by means of ECHELON comes under any scrutiny by the court."

bueno bob
12-19-2005, 09:36 PM
I think it's a safe bet to say his ratings are NEVER going to go up...Christ, he could go to Mongo and defeat Ming, save the universe and he'd STILL float at around 30%....

:)

Hardrock69
12-20-2005, 01:32 AM
However, Bush circumvented the "top-secret" court.

That is the point. He is even outside the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act.

He just made the dumbest fucking mistake a President can make.

He ADMITTED he broke the law, though he claims his wiretap authorization was legal.

Even peeps in his own party are beginning to turn on him for REAL now.

This fucker is digging his own political grave.

The best we can hope for is for Chimpeachment, followed by Dick Cheney having a massive heart attack, so we can at least get those two fucking assholes out of the White House.

Then send Rummy and the whole lot of them in a container to some secret prison in a third world nation, where they can be tortured mercilessly. Because they always have some kind of "plausible deniability", right?

Give 'em a taste of their own medicine.

Hey, an eye for an eye....

fucking bastards....

Hardrock69
12-20-2005, 01:36 AM
No bump in the polls?

Chimpy failed to win support????

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DLR'sCock
12-20-2005, 01:43 AM
Those speeches had an aire of desperation, no'?

FORD
12-20-2005, 01:53 AM
Did you see his press conference today (C-Span's replaying it every few hours)

The Chimp went ballistic when reporters dared to question him circumventing the law.

The Son of a Bitch thinks the Patriot Act literally gave him that dictatorship that he always wanted.

Any Republican with an ounce of integrity should be calling for Chimpeachment after this. Let alone the illegal war and everything else he's done.

frets5150
12-20-2005, 02:35 AM
[i]Originally posted by Hardrock69 This fucker is digging his own political grave.

[/B] :D

This will do the job FASTER

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Cathedral
12-20-2005, 05:40 AM
I just hope you all make sure Bush gets his due process, since y'all done tried and convicted him in the public eye without due process of the law for crimes you haven't charged or proven.
Sorry, but i'm just tired of all the empty "Chimpeachment" calls without him being brought before the Grand Jury.

Um, that isn't a defense of Bush either, that's in defense of our Constitution. Bush has the mentality of being a Constitutional Rapist, try not to become the same thing in persuing him, but for crying out loud, he's been in office for 5 years....DO SOMETHING EXCEPT TALK, PISS, AND MOAN ABOUT IT ON THE INTERNET!

bueno bob
12-20-2005, 02:49 PM
Originally posted by Hardrock69
The best we can hope for is for Chimpeachment, followed by Dick Cheney having a massive heart attack, so we can at least get those two fucking assholes out of the White House.

With Stevens being 3rd in line for the Presidency?

Trust me - YOU DO NOT WANT THAT...

:)

FORD
12-20-2005, 02:58 PM
Originally posted by bueno bob
With Stevens being 3rd in line for the Presidency?

Trust me - YOU DO NOT WANT THAT...

:)

Nah, it's not Stevens. It would be Hastert. At least until the next election. After that there will be a different Speaker of the House.

Warham
12-20-2005, 04:15 PM
Keep dreaming.