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4moreyears
12-20-2005, 06:46 AM
President Bush's approval rating has surged in recent weeks, reversing what had been an extended period of decline, with Americans now expressing renewed optimism about the future of democracy in Iraq, the campaign against terrorism and the U.S. economy, according to the latest Washington Post-ABC News Poll.

Bush's overall approval rating rose to 47 percent, from 39 percent in early November, with 52 percent saying they disapprove of how he is handling his job. His approval rating on Iraq jumped 10 percentage points since early November, to 46 percent, while his rating on the economy rose 11 points, to 47 percent. A clear majority, 56 percent, said they approve of the way Bush is handling the fight against terrorism -- a traditional strong point in his reputation that nonetheless had flagged to 48 percent in the November poll.


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The marked improvement in Bush's fortunes comes after months of erosion in the president's political standing that tracked a series of problems afflicting his administration. The most significant was the continuing violence and mounting U.S. casualties in Iraq, but high gasoline prices and the federal government's slow response to Hurricane Katrina also caused increasing numbers of Americans to register doubts about Bush's leadership.
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The Post-ABC News poll suggests that the massive turnout in last week's elections in Iraq, coupled with a public relations offensive in which the president delivered five speeches and held one news conference in 19 days, have delivered a substantial year-end dividend to a president badly in need of good news.

Bush's pre-Christmas rebound was fueled largely by a sharp increase in support among his core supporters. In the past month, the proportion of Republicans approving of the president's performance rose 9 percentage points, to 87 percent. And among conservatives, three in four said Bush was doing a good job, up 12 points from November. Among Democrats, independents and moderates Bush's support remained unchanged or increased only modestly.

Bush is still not in robust political health, with more Americans still disapproving of how he is handling the presidency, Iraq and the economy than approving. Those surveyed have a somewhat more positive view of whether Bush is a strong leader and whether he is honest and trustworthy than they did earlier in the fall, but Americans remain sharply divided on those presidential traits. On some key domestic issues, including immigration, Americans remain highly negative about the Bush presidency.

Year-end optimism
The other cautionary note for the administration is that Bush's approval ratings and public optimism about Iraq have spiked in the past after instances of positive news, such as the capture of Iraqi President Saddam Hussein or the election in January of this year, only to recede later. But the gains in the latest poll represent a larger one-time jump than on previous occasions of favorable news from Iraq. Currently, 54 percent say they are optimistic about the situation in Iraq, up from 46 percent a year ago.

The year-end burst of optimism has extended to Congress as well, although not to the same degree. In the Post-ABC News poll, 43 percent said they approved of how Congress is doing its job, up from 37 percent in November, whereas 53 percent disapproved. Those surveyed were more favorably inclined toward their own representatives, with 65 percent saying they approved of how their representative is doing his or her job.

The improvement in Congress's standing, however, has not been enough to wipe out what had been a substantial advantage for the Democrats in which party Americans trust to handle the country's biggest issues. Democrats still hold a five-percentage-point advantage (47 to 42 percent) on that measure, although in early November they enjoyed a 12-point advantage. On three major issues -- Iraq, government ethics and standing up to lobbyists and special interests -- the public still trusts Democrats over Republicans.

The findings in the new poll are based on telephone interviews with 1,003 randomly selected adults, taken between last Thursday and Sunday. The interviewing covered the period immediately after last week's Iraqi election but was completed before the president's nationally televised address on Sunday night. The margin of sampling error for the poll is plus or minus three percentage points.

The administration's strategy over the past month has been to move the Iraq debate past the question of whether it was right or wrong to go to war in March 2003 to the question of Iraq's future. The administration also sought to rebut arguments from a growing number of Democrats that the president should articulate a more precise strategy for drawing down the 160,000 U.S. troops in Iraq or withdrawing them immediately. In both cases, Bush's responses appear to be resonating with a significant number of people.

Slightly more than half of the country (52 percent) continues to believe the war was not worth fighting, according to the new poll, although the proportion who said it was rose seven points, to 46 percent. But a majority now believe the war has contributed positively to the long-term security of the country, after dipping below 50 percent during the late summer and fall.

Where Bush has made no progress, despite his five speeches, is in convincing Americans that he has a clear plan for success, with almost three in five saying they do not believe he does.
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Sixty percent said the United States is making significant progress in restoring civil order in Iraq, a 26-point increase since November, and 65 percent said the United States is making significant progress in establishing a democratic government there. Almost three in four (71 percent) said last week's election brought the country closer to the day when U.S. forces can be withdrawn.

More than half the country (52 percent) said they favor decreasing the number of troops in Iraq, a five-percentage-point increase since early November. But far fewer of those anxious to bring troops home are calling for a speedy exit. Just 12 percent of those surveyed said they favor immediate withdrawal, down from 18 percent in November, whereas 40 percent said they favor a gradual withdrawal, up from 29 percent in November. Just over a third said they favor keeping troop levels where they are now.

A solid majority (60 percent) agree with Bush on his opposition to setting a timetable for withdrawing forces, whereas 31 percent would like to see all U.S. troops removed by the end of next year. The poll also found Americans slightly more receptive to a candidate for Congress next year who opposes a timetable than to one who supports a timetable.

Americans still express doubts about aspects of Bush's handling of Iraq. Sixty percent said they do not believe he has adequately explained why the United States is in Iraq, and almost the same percentage said the administration does not have a clear plan for success there. But even more Americans (74 percent) said the Democrats in Congress do not have a plan either.
© 2005 The Washington Post Company



Link (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10538012/)

Nickdfresh
12-20-2005, 07:06 AM
That's the high water mark guys, hate to tell ya.' It will decrease just like the past "bumps" have. These elections will be like the last post-elections bump, and the post-'we got SADDAM' bump, once people figure out mostly pro-IRANIAN Shiite religious zealots were elected...

He really blew his wad on the "PR offensive"...

DrMaddVibe
12-20-2005, 07:22 AM
Don't worry the anti-Bush crowd will be here shortly to remind us how we're supposed to live and die by poll numbers.

Nickdfresh
12-20-2005, 07:23 AM
Originally posted by DrMaddVibe
Don't worry the anti-Bush crowd will be here shortly to remind us how we're supposed to live and die by poll numbers.

Who said that? The proof is in the figgy pudding...

DrMaddVibe
12-20-2005, 07:48 AM
"Where is fancy bread...in the heart or in the head?"

Hardrock69
12-20-2005, 10:10 AM
No, Bush's approval rating has NOT increased.

That is a clear example of what is known in the media as a LIE.


Poll: Iraq speeches, election don't help Bush

Tuesday, December 20, 2005; Posted: 12:56 a.m. EST (05:56 GMT)

CNN -- President Bush's approval ratings do not appear to have changed significantly, despite a number of recent speeches he's given to shore up public support for the war in Iraq and its historic elections on Thursday.

A CNN/USA Today Gallup poll conducted over the weekend found his approval rating stood at 41 percent, while more than half, or 56 percent, disapprove of how the president is handling his job. A majority, or 52 percent, say it was a mistake to send troops to Iraq, and 61 percent say they disapprove of how he is handling Iraq specifically. The margin of error was plus or minus 3 percentage points.

The poll interviews were conducted before President Bush's Oval Office address, which was broadcast on primetime television Sunday. (Read what he said.)

Although half of those surveyed considered Iraq's first full-term parliamentary election since the ouster of Saddam Hussein either a major or key step toward the U.S. achieving its goals in Iraq, only 40 percent felt the U.S. was winning the war. Half said that neither side was winning. (View poll results)

The poll was nearly split, 49 percent to 47 percent, between those who thought the U.S. will either "definitely" or "probably" win, and those who said the U.S. will lose. That said, 69 percent of those polled expressed optimism that the U.S. can win the war. The margin of error for how respondents assessed the war was plus or minus 4.5 percentage points.

When asked how long U.S. troops will stay in Iraq, more than four out of five respondents, or 82 percent, said they believed U.S. troops will be there from one to three years, if not longer. Only 17 percent believe U.S. troops will return home in a year or less.

As for how long U.S. troops should stay in Iraq, an overwhelming number of people, or 88 percent, said U.S. troops should stay no longer than three years. Nine percent felt that U.S. troops should stay longer. More than half, or 59 percent, say U.S. troops should leave by this time next year.

Although half those polled said that a stable government in Iraq was likely within a year, 62 percent said Iraqi forces were unlikely to ensure security without U.S. assistance. And 63 percent said Iraq was unlikely to prevent terrorists from using Iraq as a base. The margin of error on questions pertaining to troop duration in Iraq, as well as the country's future, was plus or minus 3 percentage points.

The poll interviewed 1,003 adult Americans and found that the public has also grown more skeptical about Bush's key arguments in favor of the war. Compared with two years ago, when 57 percent considered Iraq a part of the war on terrorism, 43 percent think so now. In the weekend poll, 55 percent said they view the war in Iraq as separate from the war on terror. The margin of error on this line of questioning was plus or minus 3 percentage points.

On the domestic front, 56 percent of those polled say they disapprove of how Bush is handling the economy; by contrast, 41 percent approve. The margin of error was plus or minus 3 percentage points.

The president may find support for his call to renew the Patriot Act. Forty-four percent said they felt the Patriot Act is about right, and 18 percent said it doesn't go far enough. A third of respondents say they believe the Patriot Act has gone too far in restricting people's civil liberties to investigate suspected terrorism.

Nearly two-thirds said they are not willing to sacrifice civil liberties to prevent terrorism, as compared to 49 percent saying so in 2002. The margin of error was plus or minus 4.5 percentage points for those questions.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/12/19/bush.poll/index.html




Notice what it says....

"A majority, or 52 percent, say it was a mistake to send troops to Iraq, and 61 percent say they disapprove of how he is handling Iraq specifically."

Does not seem like his numbers are up to me...

Hardrock69
12-20-2005, 10:17 AM
Originally posted by DrMaddVibe
Don't worry the anti-Bush crowd will be here shortly to remind us how we're supposed to live and die by poll numbers.

That is the province of the conservatives around here.

As you can see above, CNN is running the above article, which was posted THIS MORNING, which says the exact opposite of the article by MSNBC.

But then, MSNBC does whatever Chimpy tells them to do.

That said, polls are meaningless. You would have just as much luck shooting craps as you would trying to pick a random group of people who feel the way the reporter wants them to feel for purposes of writing some propaganda.

1,000 people chosen at random are not EVEN representative of the way the other 297,916,033 people in the U.S. think about any one subject.

scamper
12-20-2005, 12:52 PM
I still support Bush, that president really sucks though.

bueno bob
12-20-2005, 02:47 PM
Bush gets temporary popularity bumps every time something of interest happens - as Nick already iterated, 9/11 reaction to his speech, getting Saddam/"Mission Accomplished", the elections, etc etc.

Then?

Back to the 30% land for good ole G.W. as soon as the ferver dies down.

With today's announcement that wire-tapping and spying on American citizens will continue, I've no doubt that that number will sink even lower soon enough.

Not to worry - short of declaring himself Emperor, destroying the constitution and converting the U.S. Military into rank and file Stormtrooopers with the sole purpose of guarding him from assassination, he'll be out of office soon enough and we can hopefully get back to some semblance of reality in this country.

God willing.

FORD
12-20-2005, 02:59 PM
Verily....

blueturk
12-20-2005, 06:24 PM
Dubya knows what's up! Kind of...

"It's a myth to think I don't know what's going on. It's a myth to think that I'm not aware that there's opinions that don't agree with mine, because I'm fully aware of that." —George W. Bush, Philadelphia, Pa., Dec. 12, 2005

FORD
12-20-2005, 06:49 PM
Yes, he knows exactly what Cheney and KKKarl tell him.

jhale667
12-20-2005, 06:52 PM
...All that spin...and fact remains, Chimpy's disapproval rating is STILL higher...52% to 47% according to the report I saw on CBS news before I left for work this morning. No amount of turd-polishing will change that.

The only Bush I support is in the muff thread. ;)


OK, that's not completely true..I'd support Lauren Bush's...uhh...bush...can you blame me?

LoungeMachine
12-20-2005, 07:29 PM
5 YEARS into this administration, and climbing OUT of approval ratings in the 30s is reason to celebrate for Cons???????????

You've controlled everything and all you've managed to do is fuck everything up and pray more of your party members arent indicted.?????

Way to reach for the stars...........

Serling
12-21-2005, 12:56 AM
"Support for Bush Grows"

plant anything in that much bullshit and it'll grow a bit.

scamper
12-21-2005, 07:05 AM
Originally posted by Serling
"Support for Bush Grows"

plant anything in that much bullshit and it'll grow a bit.

Well said

4moreyears
12-22-2005, 12:48 AM
Dem's cant stand any increase in the polls.

bueno bob
12-22-2005, 11:12 AM
Originally posted by 4moreyears
Dem's cant stand any increase in the polls.

Polls vary. Seems like somebody's always got a different result with a different source. The majority of what I've seen shows Bush hovering around a high 30/low 40% - mostly what I look at is in the newspapers (the local state paper & USA Today), balanced by news radio and TV. And there is an established trend of him surging up after particularly interesting events and dropping very quickly back to his norm thereafter...I haven't seen anything evidence-wise that counteracts that view on my part.

And I'm not a democrat, either.

ODShowtime
12-22-2005, 11:21 AM
Originally posted by 4moreyears
Dem's cant stand any increase in the polls.

What an intelligent, profound statement! I bet it took you a couple minutes to get the wording just right.