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Warham
12-22-2005, 12:14 AM
By JESSE J. HOLLAND, Associated Press Writer

1 hour ago

WASHINGTON - The Senate passed a six-month extension of the USA Patriot Act late Wednesday night, hoping to avoid the expiration of law enforcement powers deemed vital in the war on terror.

Approval came on a voice vote, and cleared the way for a final vote in the House.

Several provisions in the current law expire Dec. 31, and President Bush has called repeatedly for new legislation.

The House was scheduled to reconvene Thursday, but senior Republicans there have opposed any temporary extension of the current law, insisting that most of the expiring provisions should be renewed permanently.

The Senate vote Wednesday night capped several days of backroom negotiation conducted against the backdrop of presidential attacks on critics of the legislation.

The extension gives critics _ who successfully filibustered a House-Senate compromise that would have made most of the law permanent _ more time to seek civil liberty safeguards in the law. Democrats and their allies had originally asked for a three-month extension, and the Senate's Republican majority had offered a one-year extension. The final deal split the difference.

"For a lot of reasons, it made the most sense, given that there are significant differences that remain," said GOP Sen. John Sununu of New Hampshire, one of a small group of Republicans who joined with Senate Democrats to filibuster a House-Senate compromise.

"I think this is a reasonable conclusion," said Sen. Patrick Leahy of Vermont, the ranking Democrat on the Senate Judiciary Committee.

Republicans who had pushed for legislation that would make most of the expiring provisions permanent said the agreement only postpones the ongoing arguments over the Patriot Act for six months. "We'll be right back where we are right now," said a clearly frustrated Sen. Orrin Hatch, R-Utah.

Sen. John Cornyn, R-Texas, added, "Our intelligence and law enforcement officials should not be left wondering, yet again, whether the Congress will manage to agree to reauthorize the tools that protect our nation."

The bill's critics gained momentum Wednesday when they released a letter crafted by Sununu and Sen. Charles Schumer, D-N.Y., showing they had 52 senators agreeing to support a three-month extension.

"This is the right thing to do for the country," Schumer said after the deal had been announced. "To let the Patriot Act lapse would have been a dereliction of duty."

President Bush, Attorney General Alberto Gonzales and Republican congressional leaders have lobbied fiercely to get the House-Senate compromise passed, and issued dire warnings of what would happen if the Patriot Act expires.

Most of the Patriot Act _ which expanded the government's surveillance and prosecutorial powers against suspected terrorists, their associates and financiers _ was made permanent when Congress overwhelmingly passed it after the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks on New York City and Washington.

Making permanent the rest of the Patriot Act powers, like the roving wiretaps which allow investigators to listen in on any telephone and tap any computer they think a target might use, has been a priority of the Bush administration and Republican lawmakers.

Cathedral
12-22-2005, 06:16 AM
The Patriot Act needs revised so that it protects the freedoms and liberties of the people, not restricts them or opens the people up to fear of being labeled a terrorist for speaking out against the government and being detained as an enemy combatant. that is exactly the kind of tools it provides to a corrupt power hungry government as it is currently written.

When you alter our constitutional right's in any way it only serves to open up arguments in other aeas when other right's begin to contradict each other.
But in the end the federal government ultimately gets what it wants, and we all know from history what absolute power does...it corrupts absolutely.
That's part of the logic that went into Lincoln's statement that if you trade freedom for security you'll end up with neither in the end.

Congress isn't going to win the battle to revise the Patriot Act without STRONG support from the voters in their communities. Lincoln wasn't talking to politicians when he made those comments, he was talking to the people, he was talking to us then, now, and tomorrow.

So guess what?
The Democrats just obtained another tool to use to gain support from moderates in the '06 elections.
The Patriot Act must NOT become permanant in its current text and must be fixed.
There is a track record of the spending in this area and there are communities that have yet to recieve a dime in funds to provide the extra support the Patriot Act is given praise for providing, that's bullshit, and it is similar across the country.

Our tax dollars paid for them to get it, why didn't they get it?

Nothing is as it seems to be or is advertised as, and nobody seems to be asking the right questions anymore.
Observing politics in action is much like watching a circus. if you look to the left you miss something on the right, and vice versa.

Well, the Democrats have the ball again, what they gonna do widdit?

It's a beautiful time to change course, put a bead on a new target as it were.

FORD
12-22-2005, 08:57 AM
Originally posted by Cathedral

There is a track record of the spending in this area and there are communities that have yet to recieve a dime in funds to provide the extra support the Patriot Act is given praise for providing, that's bullshit, and it is similar across the country.

Our tax dollars paid for them to get it, why didn't they get it?



Because it all went to Halliburton?

Hardrock69
12-22-2005, 04:07 PM
More likely than not....

Cathedral
12-22-2005, 04:19 PM
I wouldn't doubt it, and the Patriot Act was only extended until February 3rd, that's one month, not 6.

I think it needs to be thrown out completely and a more reasonable plan put together that doesn't punish americans.