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FORD
12-23-2005, 02:57 AM
Daschle: Congress Denied Bush War Powers in U.S.

By Barton Gellman
Washington Post Staff Writer
Friday, December 23, 2005; A04

The Bush administration requested, and Congress rejected, war-making authority "in the United States" in negotiations over the joint resolution passed days after the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, according to an opinion article by former Senate majority leader Thomas A. Daschle (D-S.D.) in today's Washington Post.

Daschle's disclosure challenges a central legal argument offered by the White House in defense of the National Security Agency's warrantless wiretapping of U.S. citizens and permanent residents. It suggests that Congress refused explicitly to grant authority that the Bush administration now asserts is implicit in the resolution.

The Justice Department acknowledged yesterday, in a letter to Congress, that the president's October 2001 eavesdropping order did not comply with "the 'procedures' of" the law that has regulated domestic espionage since 1978. The Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, or FISA, established a secret intelligence court and made it a criminal offense to conduct electronic surveillance without a warrant from that court, "except as authorized by statute."

There is one other statutory authority for wiretapping, which covers conventional criminal cases. That law describes itself, along with FISA, as "the exclusive means by which electronic surveillance . . . may be conducted."

Yesterday's letter, signed by Assistant Attorney General William Moschella, asserted that Congress implicitly created an exception to FISA's warrant requirement by authorizing President Bush to use military force in response to the destruction of the World Trade Center and a wing of the Pentagon. The congressional resolution of Sept. 18, 2001, formally titled "Authorization for the Use of Military Force," made no reference to surveillance or to the president's intelligence-gathering powers, and the Bush administration made no public claim of new authority until news accounts disclosed the secret NSA operation.

But Moschella argued yesterday that espionage is "a fundamental incident to the use of military force" and that its absence from the resolution "cannot be read to exclude this long-recognized and essential authority to conduct communications intelligence targeted at the enemy." Such eavesdropping, he wrote, necessarily included conversations in which one party is in the United States.

Daschle's article reveals an important new episode in the resolution's legislative history.

As drafted, and as finally passed, the resolution authorized the president "to use all necessary and appropriate force against those nations, organizations or persons" who "planned, authorized, committed or aided" the Sept. 11 attacks.

"Literally minutes before the Senate cast its vote, the administration sought to add the words 'in the United States and' after 'appropriate force' in the agreed-upon text," Daschle wrote. "This last-minute change would have given the president broad authority to exercise expansive powers not just overseas -- where we all understood he wanted authority to act -- but right here in the United States, potentially against American citizens. I could see no justification for Congress to accede to this extraordinary request for additional authority. I refused."

Daschle wrote that Congress also rejected draft language from the White House that would have authorized the use of force to "deter and pre-empt any future acts of terrorism or aggression against the United States," not only against those responsible for the Sept. 11 attacks.

Republican legislators involved in the negotiations could not be reached for comment last night.

FORD
12-23-2005, 03:01 AM
Oh.... by the way....

The same day Daschle and Pat Leahy turned Chimpy down was the day they were mailed ANTHRAX letters. Coincidence, right?

When will the fascism be enough, Busheep? When will you wake up and DEMAND THESE CRIMINALS BE REMOVED FROM OFFICE.

DR CHIP
12-23-2005, 09:30 AM
Key words "opinion article"

We are crucified if we put out something like this.....

Ford, if you are right and all the conspiracy and criminal charges eventually come out, then I applaud you in advance.....but I simply don't see it and refuse to be considered less patriotic or somewhat idiotic for not seeing things this way....

I read the same things and I see it differently, as do miliions of Americans...and I am by no way a Bush Sheep, although I might lean a little to thinking you might just be a Lib Sheep ;)

diamondD
12-23-2005, 10:29 AM
LOL! :D

blueturk
12-23-2005, 12:41 PM
Although I have my doubts about conspiracy theories, this article is further proof that Dubya is either a power hungry son-of-a-bitch, or too fucking stupid to realize that he's fucking up. Or both.

"If this were a dictatorship, it'd be a heck of a lot easier, just so long as I'm the dictator." —President-elect George W. Bush, at a photo-op with congressional leaders during his first trip to Capitol Hill, Washington, D.C., Dec. 19, 2000

Warham
12-23-2005, 04:06 PM
Originally posted by blueturk
Although I have my doubts about conspiracy theories, this article is further proof that Dubya is either a power hungry son-of-a-bitch, or too fucking stupid to realize that he's fucking up. Or both.

"If this were a dictatorship, it'd be a heck of a lot easier, just so long as I'm the dictator." —President-elect George W. Bush, at a photo-op with congressional leaders during his first trip to Capitol Hill, Washington, D.C., Dec. 19, 2000

Doubts about conspiracy theories? Now that's humor.

blueturk
12-26-2005, 06:36 PM
Originally posted by Warham
Doubts about conspiracy theories? Now that's humor.

And here we go again, with Warham trying to claim that all ilberals think exactly alike. Here's some REAL humor...


"'However, in his recent speech before the United Nations, President Bush revealed the real reason we invaded Iraq. He said plainly that the reason we invaded Iraq was "to defend the peace and the credibility of the United Nations.'

Somehow this must have passed me by two years ago. I think I just lost whatever respect I had left for our esteemed President."

Posted: 11-06-2005 at 07:09 AM by Warham

4moreyears
12-26-2005, 06:57 PM
Originally posted by FORD
Oh.... by the way....

The same day Daschle and Pat Leahy turned Chimpy down was the day they were mailed ANTHRAX letters. Coincidence, right?

When will the fascism be enough, Busheep? When will you wake up and DEMAND THESE CRIMINALS BE REMOVED FROM OFFICE.

:asshole: Crybaby!!!

FORD
12-26-2005, 07:06 PM
Originally posted by 4moreyears
:asshole: Crybaby!!!

Envision this: John Kerry with the same dictatorial powers Chimpy wanted for himself.

Now how do you feel?

Big Train
12-27-2005, 03:04 PM
Safe...Kerry is generally useless. You would know that if you ever bothered to learn much about him.

I lived under him in MA for 20 years. USE-LESS...for real.

FORD
12-27-2005, 07:14 PM
Originally posted by Big Train
Safe...Kerry is generally useless. You would know that if you ever bothered to learn much about him.

I lived under him in MA for 20 years. USE-LESS...for real.

I know Judas is generally useless. I was just appealing to the chain mail moron's irrational fear of a Kerry presidency, and therefore what for him would be the ultimate nightmare, Kerry with dictatorial powers such as the ones Junior wanted.

Warham
12-27-2005, 07:21 PM
OK, so Kerry is useless. How many of you liberals here voted for him?

4moreyears
12-28-2005, 04:41 PM
Originally posted by blueturk
Although I have my doubts about conspiracy theories, this article is further proof that Dubya is either a power hungry son-of-a-bitch, or too fucking stupid to realize that he's fucking up. Or both.

"If this were a dictatorship, it'd be a heck of a lot easier, just so long as I'm the dictator." —President-elect George W. Bush, at a photo-op with congressional leaders during his first trip to Capitol Hill, Washington, D.C., Dec. 19, 2000

How stupid can one person be. Blueturk you set the bar very high for stupidity.

FORD
12-28-2005, 05:06 PM
Originally posted by 4moreyears
How stupid can one person be.

Your unfortunate parents must ask themselves this question daily. :(

blueturk
12-28-2005, 06:32 PM
Originally posted by 4moreyears
How stupid can one person be. Blueturk you set the bar very high for stupidity.

How stupid CAN one person be?

"Alice Cooper, that explains it. He is worthless as well"

4moreyears, 12-03-05, commenting on one of the most ardent Bush supporters in the music biz

4moreyears
01-02-2006, 10:52 PM
Originally posted by blueturk
How stupid CAN one person be?

"Alice Cooper, that explains it. He is worthless as well"

4moreyears, 12-03-05, commenting on one of the most ardent Bush supporters in the music biz

Just because his music sucks does not make him stupid.