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Hardrock69
12-23-2005, 10:07 AM
Friday, December 23, 2005; Posted: 9:10 a.m. EST (14:10 GMT)

WASHINGTON (AP) -- The use of warrantless wiretaps on American citizens was never discussed when Congress authorized the White House to use force against al Qaeda after the September 11 attacks, says former Senate Majority Leader Tom Daschle.

In an article printed Friday on the op-ed page of The Washington Post, Daschle also wrote that Congress explicitly denied a White House request for war-making authority in the United States.

"This last-minute change would have given the president broad authority to exercise expansive powers not just overseas ... but right here in the United States, potentially against American citizens," Daschle wrote.

"The Bush administration now argues those powers were inherently contained in the resolution adopted by Congress -- but at the time, the administration clearly felt they weren't or it wouldn't have tried to insert the additional language," the South Dakota Democrat wrote.

Daschle was Senate Democratic leader at the time of the September 11, 2001, terrorist attacks on New York City and Washington. He is now a fellow at the Center for American Progress, a liberal Washington think tank.

The administration formally defended its domestic spying program in a letter to Congress late Thursday, saying the nation's security outweighs privacy concerns of individuals who are monitored.
Administration defends surveillance

In a letter to the chairs of the House and Senate intelligence committees, the Justice Department said President Bush authorized electronic surveillance without first obtaining a warrant in an effort to thwart terrorist acts against the United States.

"There is undeniably an important and legitimate privacy interest at stake with respect to the activities described by the president," wrote Assistant Attorney General William E. Moschella. "That must be balanced, however, against the government's compelling interest in the security of the nation."

Bush has acknowledged he authorized such surveillance and repeatedly has defended it in recent days.

But Moschella's letter was the administration's first public notice to Congress about the program in which electronic surveillance was conducted without the approval of a secret court created to examine requests for wiretaps and searches in the most sensitive terrorism and espionage cases.

Moschella maintained that Bush acted legally when he authorized the National Security Agency to go around the court to conduct electronic surveillance of international communications into and out of the United States by suspects tied to al Qaeda or its affiliates.

Moschella relied on a Sept. 18, 2001, congressional resolution, known as the Authorization to Use Military Force, as primary legal justification for Bush's creation of a domestic spying program. The resolution "clearly contemplates action within the United States," Moschella wrote, and acknowledges Bush's power to prevent terrorism against the United States.

Congress adopted the resolution in the chaotic days after the September 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, authorizing the president to wage war against al Qaeda and other terrorist groups that pose a threat to the United States.

Moschella said the president's constitutional authority also includes power to order warrantless foreign intelligence surveillance inside the United States. He said that power has been affirmed by federal courts, including the secret Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act court. The FISA court was created in 1978 after public outcry over government spying on anti-war and civil rights protesters.

The administration deliberately bypassed the FISA court, which requires the government to provide evidence that a terrorism or espionage suspect is "an agent of a foreign power."

Moschella said Bush's action was legal because the foreign intelligence law provides a "broad" exception if the spying is authorized by another statute. In this case, he said, Congress' authorization provided such authority.

He also maintained the NSA program is "consistent" with the Fourth Amendment -- which prohibits unreasonable searches and seizures -- and civil liberties.

For searches to be reasonable under law, a warrant is needed, Moschella said. But, outside criminal investigations, he said, the Supreme Court has created exceptions where warrants are not needed.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/12/23/domestic.spying.ap/index.html

scamper
12-23-2005, 10:18 AM
Daschle is a sellout, thats why we voted him out last election, anything he says is just puppet talk

diamondD
12-23-2005, 10:26 AM
No offense dude, but how many different wiretap and calls for impeachment threads do we need?

LoungeMachine
12-23-2005, 10:34 AM
Personally, I'd like to keep it to 5-6.

Any more, and it would appear we're gloating over the fact the hangman is coming....

FORD
12-23-2005, 01:58 PM
I don't know... maybe as many as it takes to wake up the Busheep.

I didn't care much for Tom Daschle myself. I thought he was a spineless pussy as Senate Majority leader. But now, it seems we know why. The goddamn CHIMP threatened his life, for fucks sake. Remember that the anthrax was specifically identified as military grade shit that came from a US LABORATORY!!

The threats against Daschle and Leahy were inside jobs, trying to intimidate them into signing these dictatorial powers over to the Chimp. And once you accept that ugly reality, you might want to take another look at what happenned the week before.

Guitar Shark
12-23-2005, 02:00 PM
Originally posted by FORD
And once you accept that ugly reality, you might want to take another look at what happenned the week before.

Or, check yourself into an insane asylum.

LoungeMachine
12-23-2005, 02:06 PM
Originally posted by Guitar Shark
Or, check yourself into an insane asylum.

:rolleyes:

And what's your explanation of the "anthrax" letters then???

Guitar Shark
12-23-2005, 02:09 PM
Originally posted by LoungeMachine
:rolleyes:

And what's your explanation of the "anthrax" letters then???

Jizzystool, obviously.

FORD
12-23-2005, 02:09 PM
Originally posted by Guitar Shark
Or, check yourself into an insane asylum.

Matt, suppress your lawyerly instinct to argue with everything long enough to look at the facts here.

1) Chimp asks Daschle & Leahy for dictatorial powers to essentially declare war on US citizens

2) Daschle & Leahy turn him down

3) They receive anthrax letters postmarked the same day that they refused the Chimp's request.

4) The anthrax is later tested and proven to have originated in a US lab.

Those are the facts. So who belongs in an asylum? Those who can see the ugly truth, or those who continue to live in denial.

Guitar Shark
12-23-2005, 02:13 PM
Originally posted by FORD
1) Chimp asks Daschle & Leahy for dictatorial powers to essentially declare war on US citizens

2) Daschle & Leahy turn him down


Where does the article say this? It says that the request was made of "Congress."

FORD
12-23-2005, 02:24 PM
Originally posted by Guitar Shark
Where does the article say this? It says that the request was made of "Congress."

And when that request is turned down, who is Junior going to blame? The Senate leader and the committee chairman, right?

Guitar Shark
12-23-2005, 02:37 PM
Originally posted by FORD
And when that request is turned down, who is Junior going to blame? The Senate leader and the committee chairman, right?

Keep reaching FORD. In order for your theory to make any sense, the "BCE" would have had to send an anthrax letter to every member of Congress who declined the request.

LoungeMachine
12-23-2005, 02:40 PM
No, just the leaders, and a few media whores for a cover....

Guitar Shark
12-23-2005, 02:40 PM
Lounge, come on man, you're smarter than this.

LoungeMachine
12-23-2005, 02:47 PM
Originally posted by Guitar Shark
Lounge, come on man, you're smarter than this.

All evidence to the contrary ;)

Seriously, the whole "anthrax scare" stunk from day one, and this is very plausible considering recent events and revelations.

Keeping an open mind, counselor.

No tin foil required :cool:

diamondD
12-23-2005, 03:50 PM
I don't know. Been lots of claims of people going down in the last few months and only a couple have panned out.

BigBadBrian
12-23-2005, 03:58 PM
Originally posted by Guitar Shark
Lounge, come on man, you're smarter than this.

Warham, do you want to take this one or shall I? :D

Warham
12-23-2005, 04:07 PM
LMAO.

Why don't you take this one, Brian.

I've tried already.

Warham
12-23-2005, 04:09 PM
Originally posted by LoungeMachine
All evidence to the contrary ;)

Seriously, the whole "anthrax scare" stunk from day one, and this is very plausible considering recent events and revelations.

Keeping an open mind, counselor.

No tin foil required :cool:

All evidence is to the contrary alright.

LoungeMachine
12-23-2005, 07:56 PM
Originally posted by Warham
All evidence is to the contrary alright.

Yeah, I love you too, man :D

Merry Christmas to you and your's :cool:

This actually applies to ELVIS, d2, B3, and Assvibe as well.

Peace on Earth, Goodwill toward Man


Look forward to a very debate filled 2006

-kip

diamondD
12-23-2005, 08:30 PM
Same to you and everyone else. :cool:

Warham
12-23-2005, 09:37 PM
Same to you, Lounge. ;)

scamper
12-23-2005, 11:51 PM
This is where the far left and right don't get it, this guy was a senator for my state and he forgot what his job was so we got rid of him it wasn't dem or rep he just wasn't doing his job