Detroit Auto Show Bad News

[Phil theStalker]

Honda was named the Best American Truck and the first Chinese car for sale in the U.S.A. is being shown there.

That's not bad news for me.

I know what to do.

It's bad news for you.

And, "The writing's on the wall" at the 2006 Detroit Auto Show right now.

The uprising is here, but it's a whisper.

A whisper of revolt.

Soon it will be a roar of revolt.

It just needs the spark.

A 'shot hear round the world' like the first shot at Lexington, the way it was done, will explode this country again. They will be shooting at us, and they will shoot first in their 'pre-emtive' way, and then it will begin again as in 1776.

Another shot heard round the world.

I'm warning you to warn others to save yourselves during the 'troubles' coming on that 'long train of abuses'.

I can see the caboose on that train, and Jeb Bush, Hillary Clinton, and Blair are waving at the sheeple of America and Britian as it comes into the American train terminal of revolt.

I guess we'll have to take care of your British problem of 'corporations' stealing our wealth (Stamp Act, etc.) again.

Who will lead you and who will help you Britian when America is in revolt again?

Form your own militias now and find every single hunting rifle you can or as my countrymen once said, "If ye love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude greater than the animating contest for freedom, go home from us in peace. We seek not your counsel, nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains set lightly upon you; and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen." Samuel Adams, August 1, 1776.

I will change that last word 'countrymen' for you British who are reading this to, "allies".

We will forget you were ever our allies.
The New American Government, January 9, 2006


The New American Revolution has started.


:mad:

[ELVIS]

The Honda Ridgeline is underpowered ugly junk, and "Chinese car" is an oxymoron...

[Phil theStalker]

Originally posted by ELVIS
The Honda Ridgeline is underpowered ugly junk, and "Chinese car" is an oxymoron... I've seen the battle plans of Ford and GM before it is yet to be announced. I have powerful friends protecting their wealth.

Over 60 plants will be closed in America in 36 months. This is unprecedented. There were never that many steel mills with 'good jobs' that even existed or that were closed in such a short period of time. This stealing of the wealth from the people by 'corporations' that George Washington warned of and the incredible loss of taxes of the communities and cities that are losing these plants will bring people out into the streets. 36 months from now you won't know your America you have known.

What's good for corporations (Ford and GM) is not good for America.
The New American Government, January 9, 2006




:mad:

[FORD]

Originally posted by ELVIS
The Honda Ridgeline is underpowered ugly junk,

Seriously? Have you driven one?

I thought it was a decent looking vehicle. Haven't driven one yet though. In my case, it's a quest to find a vehicle I can actually drive that's reasonable on the fuel economy. Of course a good looking ride is a plus.

As far as the whole "American" car thing goes, what exactly does that mean anymore?

Hondas and Toyotas are made in the US, while Fords and Chevys are made in Mexico. So which is the American car? Or is either?

[Phil theStalker]

Originally posted by FORD
Seriously? Have you driven one?

I thought it was a decent looking vehicle. Haven't driven one yet though. In my case, it's a quest to find a vehicle I can actually drive that's reasonable on the fuel economy. Of course a good looking ride is a plus.

As far as the whole "American" car thing goes, what exactly does that mean anymore?

Hondas and Toyotas are made in the US, while Fords and Chevys are made in Mexico. So which is the American car? Or is either? I'll answer that. Ford has only one assemply plant in Mexico and it's not closing. It makes the Ford Fusion, Merury Milan, and Lincoln Zephyr. Don't purchase them.

I'm certainly not against an American built Honda or American built Ford, Mercury, or Lincoln.

Add to the Ford and GM closings beginning this January 2006 launch of plant closings through the next 36 months by their quasi-independent parts corporations Visteon and Delphi respectively and you have the ingredients of revolt, a 'long train of abuses' to our wealth and to our rights from 'globalist' corporations and government loss of rights legislation respectively.

And in Europe if Ford and GM is in trouble here they will be closing plants there, too. You have nowhere to run from this 'globalization' (corporatism, fascism) coming. You can only educate yourself about what is an 'American' built vehicle and not make a purchase of a 'foreign' built vehicle. Send a message to Detroit with your dissatisfaction. It's never too late, but we have gone to far down the wealth and rights stealing policy of 'globalization'.

Add to that the illegal unwinable wars the U.S., Britian, and NATO are involved in over the next 36 months wasting taxes, and human sacrifices in lives ruined, destroyed, and lost and you'll have the big picture to those and many other questions, and you'll know what to do, I hope.

Add to that the dropping of the American dollar in value and in use as the world's currency.

You have today and the next 36 months to spread the word and to take control of your own private purchases of vehicles, and to send a message to your government servants who are catering to this corporatist, fascist 'gloablism'.

Today I will tell you to go to school, go to work, do what you have to do, but put a little can of beans away each day, because 36 months will come 'overnight'. 36 months will come fast and 'overnight' America will sink into a Third World nation status. This will lead to revolt.

If that's not what you want then spread the word now calmly and intelligently and do not make any purchases of 'foreign' built slave labor, communist Chinese or Third World wages Mexican vehicles.

The time for getting mad is over. Screaming like a woman about it isn't going to remove this tyranny from us aka Alex Jones. Be calm, be deliberate, and do the right thing.

Godspeed, my America.


:mad:

[Hardrock69]

Here is a brand new photo of the CHinese car, taken from their testing grounds near Shanghai!!!

[Phil theStalker]

Originally posted by Hardrock69
Here is a brand new photo of the CHinese car, taken from their testing grounds near Shanghai!!!
Thanks for the smile, Hardrocks69. Actually here's the GM communist slave labor (2,700 killed Chinese miners in 2005) product. It's a Cadillac.

I wonder who is going to 'key' the paint jobs on Cadillacs in the parking lots of the U.S.A.? I don't want to be in any GM Cadillac after this Detroit debut for just that reason. They're already poorly designed. GM engineers already produced a transmission computer that only lasts 40,000 miles. I don't want to add a new paint job to those troubles.


:mad:


Shanghai Auto Expo

[Phil theStalker]

Here's another one that suffers from the 'keyed' paint job syndrome. Go ahead and buy any GM product, an American made or Chinese made (or Mexican) product nobody knows the difference between so they'll all get keyed. Let the people who buy GM products find out.

See the U.S.A. in your communist Chinese slave labor Chevorlet
And if it gets 'keyed' don't blame me.

Ain't that how the song goes?


:mad:

[Jerry Falwell]

The reason that GM and Ford are having to close plants is two parts.

1st- Foreign market share is growing. The sad thing about all of this, is that US consumers that are crossing over to ownership of a foreign vehicle are doing so due to "Quality" differences. In reality, these differences are very minimal anymore. But GM put out crappy product for nearly two decades and will probably have to spend the same amount of time trying to repair public opinion.

2nd- Automotive Unions got too greedy too fast. The average median income for a family in Oklahoma is around $35k a year. Yet, I have a friend who's wife got a part-time job at the local GM plant pushing a button every 60 seconds or so. She started out at $17/hr with full benefits. What the hell is that! When you figure in the benefits package, GM is paying her near $60/hr to do her job.

[FORD]

And without the unions, she'd be working 14 hour shifts, 7 days a week with no benefits at all.

What the fuck is up with union bashing in this country? Some of you people have some damned short memories.

Corporations who pay their executives 10 digit salaries to sit on their asses can't use the excuse of "not being able to compete financially" because of unions.

This country needs a maximum wage law, and it should be tied directly to the minimum wage. In other words, the more you pay your employees, the more you make yourself.

And fuck this NAFTA/CAFTA/SHAFTA horseshit. Bring back American jobs to America and let the greedy ass CEO's take a pay cut.

[Phil theStalker]

Originally posted by Jerry Falwell
The reason that GM and Ford are having to close plants is two parts.

1st- Foreign market share is growing. The sad thing about all of this, is that US consumers that are crossing over to ownership of a foreign vehicle are doing so due to "Quality" differences. In reality, these differences are very minimal anymore. But GM put out crappy product for nearly two decades and will probably have to spend the same amount of time trying to repair public opinion.

2nd- Automotive Unions got too greedy too fast. The average median income for a family in Oklahoma is around $35k a year. Yet, I have a friend who's wife got a part-time job at the local GM plant pushing a button every 60 seconds or so. She started out at $17/hr with full benefits. What the hell is that! When you figure in the benefits package, GM is paying her near $60/hr to do her job.
1st - I knew a shallow, superficial person would bring this up. Listen up...autoworkers don't get the benefits, dude. The medical profession, doctor specialists at $160 per 'visit', expensive X-rays (& X-ray readers at $175 just to "look at" the X-ray), CAT scans, testing labs, dentists with the same expensive 'overcharges' to the insurance corporations who still can pay the doctors and make billions for themselves, the pharmaceutical industry, etc., etc., etc., THEY get the billions and billions, with a 'B', of dollars not the poor autoworker with arthritis, a cavity, and an over bite working for that enormous $17/hr..:mad:

The medical field is raping Ford and GM and the U.S. autoworker is the patsy.

2nd - You know so much about the paltry $17/hr. Did you ever see what a VP at Ford or GM makes? They have VPs and suits everywhere you turn. Did you ever see what their floor foremen make? Did you ever see what an auto industry engineer makes plus their benefits? In fact, did you ever hear of a salaried manager who has no benefits? Did you ever hear of multi-million dollar 'golden parachutes' just to FIRE one of these managers? Do you know how much advertising firms and media suck the life out of an auto company for 30 seconds on the Superbowl? Yes you have. So why not talk about that. What is your major malfunction? Why do you want to hang the autoworker?

The auto corporations have skilled workers, welders, electricians, plumbers, millwrights, mechanics, etc., etc., etc., and like any employer they wanted to keep these skilled workers so they entered into legal and binding contracts that were agreed to and negotiated through long and hard negotiations between the workers unions and the corporations lawyers from the ivy league colleges of Harvard and Yale. As it is the same with other large industries.

Now, they want to back out of those legal and binding contracts. If you or I wanted to back out of contracts we agreed to and signed off on we couldn't get away with it. No court in the land would let us get out of those contracts WE signed. So why do you think a corporation can?

You seem to think corporations like Ford, GM, Visteon, Delphi, airlines, coal mine owners, etc., and the rest CAN back out of their legal and bindng contracts with workers. This is amazing as well as illegal and insane.

This country is in fascist heaven right now, and your ignorance of the American auto worker, and all American workers represented by a union and/or a contract to work under, is as ignorant as your knowledge, or lack of, about our government servants who voted in 'globalist', corporatist, fascist NAFTA, CAFTA, FTAA, plus treaties under the WTO governing and regulating 'global' trade and investment laws, with more to come.

In every paragraph of those 'globalist' laws you will see the words " to improve the free flow of investment, trade, and goods". Nowhere do you read one word about RIGHTS.

And the war will be about RIGHTS.

Put a can of beans away each day. I've pointed out yours and too many others who ignorantly regurgitate this vomit of ignorance about the whole, entire reality of facts. And in only a few paragraphs, because it's not that hard to see. Unless you're as ignorant as you sound and you've been brainwashed by that boob tube and/or 'corporate' newspapers.

I'm sick of hearing from shallow, superficial people.

You only have 36 months before your corporatist, your superior medical professionals, insurance companies, and legislators turn America into a Third World nation 'overnight'.


:mad:

[Phil theStalker]

Originally posted by FORD
And without the unions, she'd be working 14 hour shifts, 7 days a week with no benefits at all.

What the fuck is up with union bashing in this country? Some of you people have some damned short memories.

Corporations who pay their executives 10 digit salaries to sit on their asses can't use the excuse of "not being able to compete financially" because of unions.

This country needs a maximum wage law, and it should be tied directly to the minimum wage. In other words, the more you pay your employees, the more you make yourself.

And fuck this NAFTA/CAFTA/SHAFTA horseshit. Bring back American jobs to America and let the greedy ass CEO's take a pay cut.
Thanks for the assist, FORD. But I was typing while you posted.

See Falwell, SOMEBODY else noticed!


:mad:

[Phil theStalker]

Speaking about these great taken advantage of automaker corporations of suits, VPs, and engineers, when was the last time you heard of a multi-million vehicle recall of a Japanese product for tires, engines that catch on fire, SUVs that rollover, class action lawsuits, transmissions that burn out at 40,000 miles, and a trunk latch that doesn't work?

Do you want to blame that expense on the $17/hr. autoworker?

It's over.

Put a can of beans away tonight. You're going to need it later.


:mad:

[Hardrock69]

Healthcare and insurance costs are driving this country to ruin....

:mad:

[Roth_Rage]

Originally posted by Phil theStalker
I've seen the battle plans of Ford and GM before it is yet to be announced. I have powerful friends protecting their wealth.

Over 60 plants will be closed in America in 36 months. This is unprecedented. There were never that many steel mills with 'good jobs' that even existed or that were closed in such a short period of time. This stealing of the wealth from the people by 'corporations' that George Washington warned of and the incredible loss of taxes of the communities and cities that are losing these plants will bring people out into the streets. 36 months from now you won't know your America you have known.

What's good for corporations (Ford and GM) is not good for America.
The New American Government, January 9, 2006




:mad:

Phil. Wise Words. Good to see someone sees the changes ahead.

Be prepared everyone. This guy knows what he's talking about.

[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by ELVIS
The Honda Ridgeline is underpowered ugly junk, and "Chinese car" is an oxymoron...

Not any more...

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1147185,00.html?internalid=AOT_h_01-08-2006_chinas_fastmo

[bastardog]

My oppinion:
GM is going to nowhere with those shit car desings. Perhaps quality issues aren't too different anymore the truth is that nobody wants an ugly car that also looks and is slow.
Japanesse cars (not all but more than americans) are nice looking cars and fast enough for its price. (compare a Civic with a Cavalier).

If you want better sales, start making better looking cars and stop blaming the imports.....do you job (this line is for american cars companies)

Chrysler/Dodge is doing its part.......better looking is what catch you eyes and makes you spend your money (specially on first time buyers)
Ford is starting..............but GM is nowhere to increase sales with the shit they have in their lines.

What I will buy.....a Chevrolet Chevelle rear wheel drive with at least the famous 4.3 V6 turbo they put on limited GMCs on the 90's.
Prefferable V8 cars but REAR WHEEL DRIVE.
even a 2.3 4 cylinders but with a better design.....and rear wheel drive did I mention I like rear wheel drive?....

[Phil theStalker]

Originally posted by bastardog
My oppinion:
GM is going to nowhere with those shit car desings. Perhaps quality issues aren't too different anymore the truth is that nobody wants an ugly car that also looks and is slow.
Japanesse cars (not all but more than americans) are nice looking cars and fast enough for its price. (compare a Civic with a Cavalier).

If you want better sales, start making better looking cars and stop blaming the imports.....do you job (this line is for american cars companies)

Chrysler/Dodge is doing its part.......better looking is what catch you eyes and makes you spend your money (specially on first time buyers)
Ford is starting..............but GM is nowhere to increase sales with the shit they have in their lines.

What I will buy.....a Chevrolet Chevelle rear wheel drive with at least the famous 4.3 V6 turbo they put on limited GMCs on the 90's.
Prefferable V8 cars but REAR WHEEL DRIVE.
even a 2.3 4 cylinders but with a better design.....and rear wheel drive did I mention I like rear wheel drive?....
All Puerto Ricans in my neighborhood drive 20 year old rice burners (Japanese cars) and have a Puerto Rican flag on the HOOD! They're neither powerful nor looking good with that flag painted or hanging all over the place.

I hope you do better than your Puerto Rican brothers.


PUERTO RICANS PAY ATTENTION TO THE PATRIOT MOVEMENT
YOU NEED MORE STRIPES AND STARS:mad:

[Phil theStalker]

Originally posted by bastardog
My opinion...
Welcome t2o the board, bastardog. No offense, bro.

My favorite Freddie Prinze saying after 'loo-king gooood' was,
"You're in America now speak Spanish.";)


:spank:

[knuckleboner]

whewww!

i thought this thread was about chevy deciding not to go ahead with the new camaro.

http://money.cnn.com/2006/01/09/Autos/funonwheels/detroit_camaro_concept/chevrolet_camaro.03.jpg

[scamper]

Originally posted by Hardrock69
Healthcare and insurance costs are driving this country to ruin....


insurance costs....now thats a thread all by itself

[Phil theStalker]

Originally posted by knuckleboner
whewww!

i thought this thread was about chevy deciding not to go ahead with the new camaro.
When GM's Chinese Cadillacs get here in 2007 and they said I wouldn't want t2o spend that much money on a luxury car that's going t2o get 'keyed'.

If you drive a Jap(anese) car int2o a GM or Ford plant parking lot the 'keys' come out. Scratch, scratch, scratch. :(

I don't agree with so much of this, but I can't stop people from being people.

Can pigs fly?

And now those Chinese General Motors cars will be 'keyed' all over the country in ANYbody's parking lot or street. I know my country. They can thank Bill Clinton and GW f4or the new paint job and their elected officials f4or letting the pigs 'fly' t2o COMMUNIST SLAVE LABOR CHINA.


:eek:

KEYED

[Phil theStalker]

Originally posted by scamper
insurance costs....now thats a thread all by itself
That is the actual bullseye for the health care benefits of their autoworkers that's bleeding them t2o death, but what is/has the corporations done or the govenment done t2o stop these INSURANCE COMPANY and HEALTH CARE RIP-OFF ROBBERS!?

The autoworker with a high school diploma or a GED isn't getting the BILLIONS in their pockets. It's the health care industry and insurance companies. They and their stockholders get the money.

The autoworker and other workers are their PATSIES t2o rip-off and bleed corporations benefits programs.

I hate government regulation, but if the health care industry can't get a hold of their industry the government will have to step in IMMEDIATELY with caps for services.

It's still even more woe t2o those who don't have any insurance or benefits at all, and they are the biggest losers in this 'hypocratic oath' industry of HYPOCRITES.

It's corporate negligence not to do something about this ROBBERY themselves without the government stepping in with caps, which is NOT the answer.

And use your heads. Look at the poor nurses. They don't have the billions going in their pockets like the autoworkers don't have the billions going into their pockets. LOOK at who gets the BILLIONS. Please do before you knock another hard working high school grad who doesn't know how to steal those billions from Ford and GM and put it into their pockets.

In fact, I also blame the auto corporations for not setting the record straight on this and pointing the media (and so public opinion) away from their employees, who do a good job for them and 'invest' a lot of their whole lives in their jobs, and points the finger and blame at the insurance and health care professionals and 'their' corporations where it BELONGS.

Did you ever see a doctor's house with an hourly autoworker living next door to them?

Nuff said, baybee.


:mad:

[bastardog]

Originally posted by Phil theStalker
All Puerto Ricans in my neighborhood drive 20 year old rice burners (Japanese cars) and have a Puerto Rican flag on the HOOD! They're neither powerful nor looking good with that flag painted or hanging all over the place.

I hope you do better than your Puerto Rican brothers.


PUERTO RICANS PAY ATTENTION TO THE PATRIOT MOVEMENT
YOU NEED MORE STRIPES AND STARS:mad:

Then you should live in NY or NJ......where Puerto Ricans moved to work like slaves for cents on the 50's and keeps their own way teaching that "wearing your flag is cool" to their sons. Where people that had never been in Puerto Rico says, with all the proudness in the world, "I'm from Puerto Rico"
...and I'm pretty sure that all those 20 year old rice burners you say are Toyota Corollas or Datsun 210...but rear wheel drive.

Boy, that's not the same in real Puerto Rico. All "gringos" (pale and blonds americans) here drive '99+ Ford Crown Victorias and spend a lot of time begginf for my mechanic's mercy when their car needs service (that is a lot of times during the year)

If you are just going to buy a shit over priced car just because is from US....then you are blind and a contributor to your own business flop.
What you want? an isolated USA?......like Japan did las century

[Phil theStalker]

Originally posted by bastardog
Then you should live in NY or NJ......where Puerto Ricans moved to work like slaves for cents on the 50's and keeps their own way teaching that "wearing your flag is cool" to their sons. Where people that had never been in Puerto Rico says, with all the proudness in the world, "I'm from Puerto Rico"
...and I'm pretty sure that all those 20 year old rice burners you say are Toyota Corollas or Datsun 210...but rear wheel drive.

Boy, that's not the same in real Puerto Rico. All "gringos" (pale and blonds americans) here drive '99+ Ford Crown Victorias and spend a lot of time begginf for my mechanic's mercy when their car needs service (that is a lot of times during the year)

If you are just going to buy a shit over priced car just because is from US....then you are blind and a contributor to your own business flop.
What you want? an isolated USA?......like Japan did las century Well dude, I'm half Italian and Slovak and PROUD, t2oo! But we aren't waving those 'foreign nationals' flags over here. And I have multi-national German, French, British, Russian, Chinese, Korean, and many eastern European nationals (Croatians, Hungarians, etc., etc.), Hindus, Philipines, Asians, etc., etc., etc., and only the PRs need t2o have their flag waving all over American like you're invading America.

You wanna hear more?

When in Rome...

Believe me that's what it looks like t2o EVERYBODY, you're invading running around waving and announcing your invasion with your BATTLE flags, so I'm giving you the good word, my immigrant friend, before you find out the hard way when the people get fed up with licking the boots of the businesses that hire your nationals who are more than willing t2o work in America at those Third World, slave labor, un-American wages.

The Italians NEVER acted that way, friend. My family demanded AMERICAN rights when THEY came here, and they GOT them.

Learn what all the OTHER immigrants learned or suffer the consequences when the white boys and the black boys riot over the job loses t2o your 50 cent - $2/hr. 'brothers'.

I'm not going t2o have sympathy f4or you. You're in America then you get paid like an American or stay in your own country where $2/hr. goes pretty damn far and STOP bringing my country down t2o your Third World nation status. Go work in a sugar cane plantation.

I already said, "No offense." Just the facts. Thank you f4or sharing your thoughts, Lupe. And, I feel the same way aboot those 'Dixie' flags on poor whites cars. Why don't they put that Confederate flag on their NASCARs? huh Believe me, they'd like t2o, but the advertisers would PULL their advertising immediately, because it's WRONG!

Look, you're here and you're my American brother so don't let me shut you up. Keep talking, you make sense...some.:)


:mad:
PS And I wouldn't say the U.S. is 'isolated' when the U.S. has businesses and troops all over the world and we OWN your country. OWNED, brother!

IN THE U.S.A. THIS FLAG COMES FIRST!

[bastardog]

Originally posted by Phil theStalker
Well dude, I'm half Italian and Slovak and PROUD, t2oo! But we aren't waving those 'foreign nationals' flags over here. And I have multi-national German, French, British, Russian, Chinese, Korean, and many eastern European nationals (Croatians, Hungarians, etc., etc.), Hindus, Philipines, Asians, etc., etc., etc., and only the PRs need t2o have their flag waving all over American like you're invading America.

You wanna hear more?

When in Rome...

Believe me that's what it looks like t2o EVERYBODY, you're invading running around waving and announcing your invasion with your BATTLE flags, so I'm giving you the good word, my immigrant friend, before you find out the hard way when the people get fed up with licking the boots of the businesses that hire your nationals who are more than willing t2o work in America at those Third World, slave labor, un-American wages.

The Italians NEVER acted that way, friend. My family demanded AMERICAN rights when THEY came here, and they GOT them.

Learn what all the OTHER immigrants learned or suffer the consequences when the white boys and the black boys riot over the job loses t2o your 50 cent - $2/hr. 'brothers'.

I'm not going t2o have sympathy f4or you. You're in America then you get paid like an American or stay in your own country where $2/hr. goes pretty damn far and STOP bringing my country down t2o your Third World nation status. Go work in a sugar cane plantation.

I already said, "No offense." Just the facts. Thank you f4or sharing your thoughts, Lupe. And, I feel the same way aboot those 'Dixie' flags on poor whites cars. Why don't they put that Confederate flag on their NASCARs? huh Believe me, they'd like t2o, but the advertisers would PULL their advertising immediately, because it's WRONG!

Look, you're here and you're my American brother so don't let me shut you up. Keep talking, you make sense...some.:)


:mad:
PS And I wouldn't say the U.S. is 'isolated' when the U.S. has businesses and troops all over the world and we OWN your country. OWNED, brother!

IN THE U.S.A. THIS FLAG COMES FIRST!

Dear ignorant INMIGRANT descendent,

Did you know that Puerto Rico is part of USA?.....did you know that all puertorricans don't have to "demand" for "american rights" because we allready born with them (no matter if born in USA or Puerto Rico)
When you say that our nation is third world status you only demonstrate how ignorant you are because you are talking about the same nation.

When you say that puertorricans run like invading with flags.....man are you stupid enough to not to see that not every puertorrican do it? It is like say that every black man likes fat girls or are lazy........I already took a post to explain you what kind of puertorrican do it. If you think that is every puertorrican then that is your own opinion....like thinking that every arab is a terrorist or that every chinese is small.

When I said isolated USA I was talking that following your little close mind comments, We american citizens just have to buy US made things just because are made here no matter the quality or price....and say no to import thins just because are not from here. That's a real stupid thinking that can only end in isolation of a nation.
Been a big national and important industry is not an excuse to build poor quality, ugly and expensive merchandise. As a company you have to compete and not wait for costumers to buy whatever I put on display.

[Phil theStalker]

Originally posted by bastardog
Dear ignorant INMIGRANT descendent,

Did you know that Puerto Rico is part of USA?.....did you know that all puertorricans don't have to "demand" for "american rights" because we allready born with them (no matter if born in USA or Puerto Rico)
When you say that our nation is third world status you only demonstrate how ignorant you are because you are talking about the same nation.

When you say that puertorricans run like invading with flags.....man are you stupid enough to not to see that not every puertorrican do it? It is like say that every black man likes fat girls or are lazy........I already took a post to explain you what kind of puertorrican do it. If you think that is every puertorrican then that is your own opinion....like thinking that every arab is a terrorist or that every chinese is small.

When I said isolated USA I was talking that following your little close mind comments, We american citizens just have to buy US made things just because are made here no matter the quality or price....and say no to import thins just because are not from here. That's a real stupid thinking that can only end in isolation of a nation.
Been a big national and important industry is not an excuse to build poor quality, ugly and expensive merchandise. As a company you have to compete and not wait for costumers to buy whatever I put on display. You are not MY country. You are a territory of MY country. If what you say is true then the Philippines are Americans. They're not. And, they speak Spanish all over the Philippines. Your country came with the package of the Philippines with the end of the Spanish American war. And the Philippines support themselves.

With an IQ of 128 I am hardly ignorant, nor am I uneducated. I will not debate with your 'assumptions' about who I am. I am me. I have not resorted to calling you names either like you have done t2o me repeatedly. You are not worthy of conversation with this 'gringo' anymore.

I know MORE than YOU do that Puerto Rico is only a part of America, becauses your little country is ONE BIG U.S. WELFARE STATE. (sic) Haven't you ever heard of 'don't bite the hand that feeds you'? And you call me names and I pay taxes with my countrymen t2o SUPPORT your whole country? huh You're not even strategic like the Philippines. We don't need you, or at least we don't need PRs like you personally.

Come t2o America talking like you type t2o a black man or a 'gringo' like you enjoy t2o say and do it face t2o face with a REAL 100% American and they'll deal with yoo and teach yoo how t2o talk, unless you choose t2o hide in a trailer or ghetto and push #2 on our phones f4or Spanish t2o get more WELFARE. Or go to college. As f4or me, I'm putting you on ignore.

I'll part with your rude comments with o1ne eggzample. Little Estonia. Do you know why Estonians don't wave the Estonia Battle flag waving all over here, all over their clothes, their houses, and their cars? Because they get paid more money if they don't. I mean, how simple is that?

Your countrymen ruined NYC and now you want to ruin my whole nation that is supporting your welfare state, entire whole country. Why don't you go INDEPENDENT if you are so "PROUD"? Seek independence, PLEESE!!!

You should be thankful f4or what you call "ignorant immigrant decendants", because I am paying f4or your whole country t2o exist, proud man.

Your country, pride and all of it could not exist if it weren't f4or 'ignorant immigrant decendants' like me and my family and my neighbors and my 'gringos' and my blacks and millions and millions of others from all over the world who came here "for a better life". And that doesn't mean not learning the language an pressing #2 on the phone f4or Spanish.

I never figured out what all this "pride" PRs have is all about. My dad was the son of a Slovak immigrant and he stormed the beaches at Peleliu. What have you done except be a burden t2o working Americans in the real "states". You're a territory, and I'm pretty sure after the New American Government's revolution your admiTITed slave labor wages father and brothers who've helped greatly t2o cause this Third World ruin t2o come t2o America will be on your own in the world. Hook-up with Cuba or Russia and see if those peeps will treat you as good as MY country, dude.

If you can't read English, all of these funny English words in this post just mean o1ne thing. SHUT UP!

Or would you like t2o press #2 on the phone t2o get that in Spanish? huh


:mad:
PS Truly, my "best" friend f4or years is Puerto Rican as are many others. They don't talk like you do. And he works with me f4or AMERICAN wages. So did his dad. He laughs at PRs who talk like you do. When I ask him what is wrong with PRs like you he tells me, "THE ONLY THING THEY KNOW ABOUT IS NEW YORK CITY."

He's right.

"Proud" PRs like you embarrass him f4or being PR.

(I'm going f4or the Ignore function. It was the name calling not because you're a PR. You're just rude.)



I LOVE NEW YORK
AND I'M PROUD OF MY WELFARE STATE COUNTRY

[FORD]

I'm going to stay out of this argument, except to say that when the last year of Seinfeld is released on DVD, that damn Puerto Rican Day parade episode had better be included, or I'm really gonna be pissed off! :mad:

[Phil theStalker]

Originally posted by FORD
I'm going to stay out of this argument, except to say that when the last year of Seinfeld is released on DVD, that damn Puerto Rican Day parade episode had better be included, or I'm really gonna be pissed off! :mad: About Seinfeld, mme t2oo.;)

I just don't like being called names for no good reason.

I posted t2o him, because his comments are topical t2o the thread.

The MINUTE an employer in the U.S. sees that Puerto Rican flag he says, "I've got somebody who will work for a buck!"

That's why the Estonian, the Croatian, the Serbain, the Greek, the Philippine; they keep their pride in check.

He, and t2oo many like him, don't know that being HUMBLE is better than walking around with a chest full of PRIDE. I assume he and his brothers who speak and act like him have read the bible. He's probably Christian; probably Catholic. And he doesn't listen t2o his own G-d who speaks about being PRIDEFUL as being a SIN!

He's not good f4or the PRs who do want t2o earn what the Estonians and the Italians are making, and he's not good f4or Jesus either.

And, he's lowering my countrymen's earning ability t2o his Third World status level, and I don't like it.

He's topical and TYPICAL; showing what's wrong with the country, where it's at and where it's headed, making people think, and I'm glad he showed up in my thread.;)

It was like Jesus sent him t2o me t2o make my point more clear (not the Jesus who lives in his village).

In fact, the REAL Jesus posts here.

Let's ask Jesus!

Jesus isn't posting now, but he's always ever present.;) I'm sure Jesus would tell him, and his PRIDEFUL brothers, that when you wrap yourself up in a cloak of PRIDE, "thusly, you begin to think you are superior t2o others and can do no wrong."

This is the ultimate result of such foolish thinking.

You'll stay out of this, but Jesus didn't stay out of things.

Maybe Jesus will post here and back me up on the sins of PRIDE. You shouldn't even be PROUD t2o be a Christian, because it doesn't make you any BETTER than anybody else, if you think that claiming Christ means that.

Jesus taught the people t2o be humble, and these faux Christian PRs who boast of PRIDE Jesus said aboot them, "You will know them by their acts."


:mad:

[bastardog]

Phil theStalker, you really are stalking me

Since my first post I'm explaining that I'm NOT part of those puertorricans that wears a flag looking like clowns and that those puertorricans exits only in NY and NJ. I'm against that stupid puertorrican parade that make us looks like pest and that only could compared to the gay parade. I even found hillarious that Seindfeld chapter.
Are you so anger that can't understand that I'm not insulting you? I was expressing my opinion using the same rigths like you did when posting yours.
When I used the word gringo I assumes that you taked it as an insult when is not. how I can make a difference between a US citizen and another US citizen? Yes, in PR there is a lot of white and blond people too that are puertorricans and the word american is too general.
I am one of the born, rise and living in Puerto Rico.
You are the one spelling insults from the very beggining.
You think PR is a wellfare state.....well, maybe living in NY and seen all those lazy puertorricans can make anyone think of that but reallity is that a lot of puertorricans move to NY for that reason, I can't denny it, but does that means that Puerto Rico live because wellfare? There is a lot of true american companies that have factories (like Intel, Ford, Merck Shap & Dohme, Abbott, Pfizer, etc) here and contribute to the national income (and when I say national I mean USA)
Yes we don't pay federal taxes.....but why is that? because we also can't vote for mr. president.....but asside of that what other difference from a "real state" and PR you can mention?
You say I'm rude but man you are harder to talk than Larbo and Sagebrush....and they are top racists.....but at least they don't think they are better than anyone by been what they are.
...and don't mix religion with this arge (or conversation as you want to call it)

This is my last post regarding this topic unless you can post rational and without insults. If you still think I'm mr flag dressing dunk then you also should know that I also have an IQ of 128 and a master degree in Computer Science with 9 years of experience....and all of them working for true american companies here in Puerto Rico, USA.

[Phil theStalker]

Originally posted by bastardog
Phil theStalker, you really are stalking me

Since my first post I'm explaining that I'm NOT part of those puertorricans that wears a flag looking like clowns and that those puertorricans exits only in NY and NJ. I'm against that stupid puertorrican parade that make us looks like pest and that only could compared to the gay parade. I even found hillarious that Seindfeld chapter...I'm sorry if I have offended you.

That's an apology, dude. Do you know how rare an apology is on a message board? It rarely t2o never happens.

You win. I'm OWNED.

You're smart enough and courageous enough t2o get int2o the mix. I admire that. It shows a lot of character.

I would enjoy reading you some more. You can probably teach us all a few things, certainly me. I don't learn when I don't listen. Stick around and post some more, dude. You are a Puerto Rican AMERICAN. You're o1ne of us.;)


:spank:

[Horseskin]

I'll bet Flappo wishes he was an American.

[Phil theStalker]

Originally posted by Horseskin
I'll bet Flappo wishes he was an American.
HAHAHAHAHAHA!

Oh Horseflesh, STOP!:D


:spank:

[4moreyears]

One of the largest chunks of revenue from the sale of each car 1500 goes to health insurance. I buy used cars for that reason. A 1 to 2 year old car will will run as good as a brand new inmost cases and you are not paying entitlement to people who stopped bringing in revenue in for the company. That is an extra burden the company has to carry that foreign companies do not have to deal with.

[Cathedral]

I suggest people buy classic american (25 years or older) cars and pay to restore them to like new condition. it will be cheaper than buying new in a lot of cases, cheaper to maintain with all the NOS parts out there these days, and in most cases you could do the maintenance yourself.

They used to build cars to last but these days you'd be lucky to have any automobile in perfect working order 10 years down the road without having a maintenance record a mile long for them.

This summer my car should be done and it will become my daily driver after i sell off my truck and the van.
If i buy any new car it will be the Challenger, as long as it retains the look the spy photos show of the concept car.
Beyond that, I'm strictly a Classic American Muscle kind of guy from here on out.

You can still buy american, it just won't be anything built in the last 20 years.
But i'm willing to bet that my Charger will be more dependable than anything you can buy new today.

And it'll turn more heads than anything else on the road not to mention i can actually use the tool box in the trunk should i have a problem.
All i need is power steering and power brakes and i'm fine, a fully loaded car means you'll have more shit to fix later.

Now if i were one of those "new car every year" types, I wouldn't worry about it, but i'm not, I like to hang on to cars for a good long while so they have got to be in top condition always.

I can't remember the last time i drove a car with rust on it, lmmfao.

[thome]

I suggest people buy classic american (25 years or older) cars and pay to restore them to like new condition. it will be cheaper than buying new in a lot of cases, cheaper to maintain with all the NOS parts out there these days, and in most cases you could do the maintenance yourself.
.
.
.Good way to put it I love driving in a new hot of Stylish car.

However a Restored car of Truck if done rite can be worth 10to20 grand
And they look so cool..
yet the Property tax at the end of the year shows a 500$ jalopy and
your tax may only be 50 bucks or so wich makes me Happy to
Stick it to the Man...LOL

This can be troublesome when it comes to Full Coverage insurance.

I have heard of some states that you only pay property tax -at purchase-. In Kansas we pay at the month we renue our tags and
must pay a property tax based on the Blue Book value..

[Cathedral]

Originally posted by thome
I suggest people buy classic american (25 years or older) cars and pay to restore them to like new condition. it will be cheaper than buying new in a lot of cases, cheaper to maintain with all the NOS parts out there these days, and in most cases you could do the maintenance yourself.
.
.
.Good way to put it I love driving in a new hot of Stylish car.

However a Restored car of Truck if done rite can be worth 10to20 grand
And they look so cool..
yet the Property tax at the end of the year shows a 500$ jalopy and
your tax may only be 50 bucks or so wich makes me Happy to
Stick it to the Man...LOL

This can be troublesome when it comes to Full Coverage insurance.

I have heard of some states that you only pay property tax -at purchase-. In Kansas we pay at the month we renue our tags and
must pay a property tax based on the Blue Book value..

It's the same way in Kentucky, it costs my Dad 4 times what i pay to license his vehicle every year. It only cost me $57.50 per vehicle, and i have 3.
Insurance isn't an issue either if you have an appraised value for the car, then you can insure it for that value as long as it is documented because a classic car insured for $20,000 is still less payout then say a totalled Lexus or Infinity would be without bodily injury.
And one thing the insurance people know is that an older car will suffer much less damage in a minor fender bender.

You could of course register your car as a Historical Vehicle and pay less in premiums, but you are limited to when you can have the car on the road and if it is an off day according to the schedule, you won't be covered in an accident.
Personally, the price difference isn't enough for me to limit when i may want to drive the car, i intend to drive it everyday and i want my investment fully protected. :)

[Hardrock69]

I prefer to work on cars 25 years old or more, cause I do not need a degree in Computer Science Engineering Physics in order to change a spark plug.

I actually have a thing for mid-70s Ford Torinos (4-door version).

They have MASSIVE amoutns of leg room in front and in the back seat, they have a 351 engine in it, and I just like the way they look.

I had a 1976 Torino once that had formerly been a police cruiser. It had leather seats and power windows and was really cool. Some years later I had a 1975 Torino, and it ruled as well.

Maybe someday I will find another one for cheap and fix it up.

[bastardog]

Originally posted by Phil theStalker
I'm sorry if I have offended you.

That's an apology, dude. Do you know how rare an apology is on a message board? It rarely t2o never happens.

You win. I'm OWNED.

You're smart enough and courageous enough t2o get int2o the mix. I admire that. It shows a lot of character.

I would enjoy reading you some more. You can probably teach us all a few things, certainly me. I don't learn when I don't listen. Stick around and post some more, dude. You are a Puerto Rican AMERICAN. You're o1ne of us.;)


:spank:

Thanks, is good to read it.....but if we are going to be cojoined twins I want to be the one on driver side. :)
Perhaps it still makes me feel sorry of how a small group of people (puertorricans in NY and NJ) can display an image that is not a representation of real puertorrican and that image gets burn in a good amount of people around them.
It makes me understand a little how feels the discriminated groups about the same kind of image in peoples head thing.


By the way I hate Fords but love Chevrolet, GMC and Dodge

[scamper]

Originally posted by bastardog
By the way I hate Ford

come on he's not that bad

[thome]

Originally posted by Hardrock69


I had a 1976 Torino once that had formerly been a police cruiser. It had leather seats and power windows and was really cool. Some years later I had a 1975 Torino, and it ruled as well.
. [/B]

Wasn't the two door 76 the Starsky and Hutch Ride, 76 Grand Torino..?

[FORD]

Originally posted by thome
Wasn't the two door 76 the Starsky and Hutch Ride, 76 Grand Torino..?

http://tinyurl.com/9s563

Yep, that's the one.

[Hardrock69]

And I do like the way they look, but for some reason I cannot figure out I like the 4-door versions better.

I always tried to figure out why I like the 4-door model, but I have not been able to figure it out....the bodies are identical, just one has 2 more doors than the other.

Oh yeah, also there is a a HUGE fucking trucnk.

I miss the days when cars were fucking CARS and NOT some goddamned roller skate built for fucking midgets!
:mad:

[Jerry Falwell]

Originally posted by Phil theStalker
1st - I knew a shallow, superficial person would bring this up. Listen up...autoworkers don't get the benefits, dude. The medical profession, doctor specialists at $160 per 'visit', expensive X-rays (& X-ray readers at $175 just to "look at" the X-ray), CAT scans, testing labs, dentists with the same expensive 'overcharges' to the insurance corporations who still can pay the doctors and make billions for themselves, the pharmaceutical industry, etc., etc., etc., THEY get the billions and billions, with a 'B', of dollars not the poor autoworker with arthritis, a cavity, and an over bite working for that enormous $17/hr..:mad:

The medical field is raping Ford and GM and the U.S. autoworker is the patsy.

I won't argue here... You and I actually agree about the whole Dr. bit.


2nd - You know so much about the paltry $17/hr. Did you ever see what a VP at Ford or GM makes?
YEP...Every Friday morning when I wake up
They have VPs and suits everywhere you turn. Did you ever see what their floor foremen make? Did you ever see what an auto industry engineer makes plus their benefits? In fact, did you ever hear of a salaried manager who has no benefits? Did you ever hear of multi-million dollar 'golden parachutes' just to FIRE one of these managers? Do you know how much advertising firms and media suck the life out of an auto company for 30 seconds on the Superbowl? Yes you have. So why not talk about that. What is your major malfunction? Why do you want to hang the autoworker?

What is your malfunction? Have you participated in research that shows what the return is for advertising "exorbitant" amounts of money during the Super Bowl? Nope... didn't think so on that one either :(.

Also, your argument would be somewhat valid if these Big Wigs and management figures represented more than 1% of the total amount of money that these Auto Makers spend on salaries. Put it in perspective here. Not only that, but don't engineers and others at the top deserve to be paid what they make as compared to someone who opted to not go to school? Get out of your Utopian thought process and recognize what most people see as the Real World.

I don't take issue with suggesting that those powers that be at the top of these organizations shouldn't get nearly the size of bonuses that they have received in recent history while they are laying off thousands of people. That part really bothers me.


The auto corporations have skilled workers, welders, electricians, plumbers, millwrights, mechanics, etc., etc., etc., and like any employer they wanted to keep these skilled workers so they entered into legal and binding contracts that were agreed to and negotiated through long and hard negotiations between the workers unions and the corporations lawyers from the ivy league colleges of Harvard and Yale. As it is the same with other large industries.

Now, they want to back out of those legal and binding contracts. If you or I wanted to back out of contracts we agreed to and signed off on we couldn't get away with it. No court in the land would let us get out of those contracts WE signed. So why do you think a corporation can?

Again your ignorance speaks loudly. Why is it that these workers in these career fields make far more money than people in like
fields that work in another industry? Oh Yeah... because of these heavenly Unions. Look, I like what Unions did for my father (plumber). If you consider cost of living, they (plumbers) get pretty much the same amount of money nation wide if they are in a Union. No problems there. You are going to sit here and tell me that a worker on a line that pushes one stinkin button repeatedly all day long while sitting on a stool and taking a fifteen minute "Wash Break" every work hour deserves ~$17 and hour to start out (In Oklahoma). Okay then, you are officially a dumbass!!!


You seem to think corporations like Ford, GM, Visteon, Delphi, airlines, coal mine owners, etc., and the rest CAN back out of their legal and bindng contracts with workers. This is amazing as well as illegal and insane.

Not at all. You are clumping up all sorts of industries with one broad stroke. Some of them need to have Unions in order to protect them. Unions in their original and truest form had great intentions that I applaud. However, the uaw got carried away and has contributed to their own demise (I said CONTRIBUTED, not that they are the SOLE reason).

If you think that GM twisted the arms of the Union to get the most recent reduction in benefits, then you are uneducated on the subject... Imagine that.

Here's what really happened, GM told the UAW that they were on the verge of filing for Bankruptcy.... The UAW tried to call their bluff and this forced GM to open up their financial books with the Union. After seeing the state of their finances, the Union knew darn good and well that they would all be out of jobs in a heartbeat if they didn't agree to make changes. Don't play like they were the victims here. GM was having far worse financial issues than what the news was reporting... and the media painted a pretty grim picture.


This country is in fascist heaven right now, and your ignorance of the American auto worker, and all American workers represented by a union and/or a contract to work under, is as ignorant as your knowledge, or lack of, about our government servants who voted in 'globalist', corporatist, fascist NAFTA, CAFTA, FTAA, plus treaties under the WTO governing and regulating 'global' trade and investment laws, with more to come.

In every paragraph of those 'globalist' laws you will see the words " to improve the free flow of investment, trade, and goods". Nowhere do you read one word about RIGHTS.

And the war will be about RIGHTS.

Put a can of beans away each day. I've pointed out yours and too many others who ignorantly regurgitate this vomit of ignorance about the whole, entire reality of facts. And in only a few paragraphs, because it's not that hard to see. Unless you're as ignorant as you sound and you've been brainwashed by that boob tube and/or 'corporate' newspapers.

I'm sick of hearing from shallow, superficial people.

You only have 36 months before your corporatist, your superior medical professionals, insurance companies, and legislators turn America into a Third World nation 'overnight'.

:mad:

Being that I work in the Auto Industry, I know more so than any outsider how dispensable we are as workers. Reality sucks! Deal with it and make good financial choices now if you are working for Ford or GM! That's the way it is.

In defense of the corporate entities, they are backed into a corner and somewhat handcuffed. Thanks to a greedy Union over the last 30 years, poor decisions in upper management, and extremely cheap labor costs overseas, they have one hell of a mountain to climb. I hope and pray for that matter that they will figure something out quick. But considering that China can build a vehicle at $3.40 per work hour (includes all benefits) and the fact that GM/Ford averages ~$65 per work hour (including benefits), I'd say that things aren't lookin' so hot for my future. But I'll end up just fine, I always do. ;)

[Jerry Falwell]

BTW Phil.... I didn't mean to make the last post a personal attack. I'm awful frustrated about more than your response right now.

Forgive me.

[Phil theStalker]

Originally posted by Jerry Falwell
BTW Phil.... I didn't mean to make the last post a personal attack. I'm awful frustrated about more than your response right now.

Forgive me. I learn from you. You learn from me. Everybody starts thinking about the issues. I don't think there are any losers on this board.;)


:spank:

[Phil theStalker]

Originally posted by bastardog
Thanks, is good to read it.....but if we are going to be cojoined twins I want to be the one on driver side. :) I want t2o be on the side of the drive-thru PHARMACY!:D

I truly did not understand you were agreeing with me about the 'pride' issue. We agree this hurts a cultural groups, any groups, image.

With you and me yesterday, it was just a language miscommuication. I'm glad t2o see you are posting here again and have't stopped.;)


:spank:

[what waz zat]

Getting back to the auto industry. The number of recalls for Toyota doubled in 2005 while the number of recalls from GM and Ford dropped. In total, GM and Ford had more, only because they have more vehicles on the road. There is very little difference in quality and in many cases, GM and Ford vehicles are ranked higher in quality than foriegn vehicles. GM has more vehicles that get at least 30 mpg than Toyota. Styling is subjective but I would say that American cars have great styling. GM and Ford build many more vehicles in America than all the foriegn manufactures combined and if you buy a foriegn car, the profit they make is going back to thier country. There really aren't too many reason to buy from a foriegn company than a US company

[Hardrock69]

It is a moot point to me. As I cannot afford to buy a new car, I just will hang on to the two that I have...one is American ('merican! 'merican!) the other Japanese...

Aside from that....Globalization is inevitable.

The Human Race needs to adapt to this changing world.

Big Business is not helping, nor are the governments.
They are all just tools.

Another brick in The Wall?

[bastardog]

Originally posted by Hardrock69
....Globalization is inevitable.

The Human Race needs to adapt to this changing world.


Agree 100% with you

American companies (in fact every company in the world) needs to compete in terms of what people want from them and not focus only in quality and/or style and leave aside other things (like comfort, gas use, power, etc)
I know what I want in a car........I'm sure you know what you want from a car.......but do you think they (the companies) know?

[Cathedral]

Originally posted by bastardog
Agree 100% with you

American companies (in fact every company in the world) needs to compete in terms of what people want from them and not focus only in quality and/or style and leave aside other things (like comfort, gas use, power, etc)
I know what I want in a car........I'm sure you know what you want from a car.......but do you think they (the companies) know?

Dodge has known what I and many other consumers thought about the idea of a 4-door Charger since 1999, and you see what we ended up with don't ya? lmmfao...

But i am careful with my opinion there because their desire to push the envelope is what makes them the leaders of automotive innovation right now, and that's great.
Ford just turned the HEAT up on them when the new Mustang hit the road and exceeded all sales estimates big time so, us Dodge folk are looking at Mopar for our kickass retro throwback, lol.
They blew it with the most stylistic name plate in the stable, the Charger. but it looks like the Challenger "could" <--used loosely~ be their first step in the consumers direction since they restyled the RAM and pulverized Ford F-150 and Chevy C-1500 sales figures throughout the 90's.
People want rear wheel drive cars, Chrysler spares no expense in trying to deliver that along with economical performance, and you have to admit, they get the same horsepower from the new smaller HEMI'S as they did with the gas guzzling BIG BLOCK 426's in the 60's, but with much much better fuel economy.
Whereas back then the difference was dollars at the pump, it is only quarters today between the 4 cylinder and the V-8's which is why people are pretty much saying, "Give me a bitching Hot Rod" instead of, "Hey, Whens the Aries K coming back?", lmmfao, know what i mean?

The days of the SUV are drawing to a close, and the Muscle Car is beginning a new era.
Hell, a Magnum Hemi gets better gas mileage than an SUV, and people are flocking to rear wheel driven performance with some punch that doesn't slug them at the pump, for now anyway.

[Hardrock69]

Originally posted by bastardog

I know what I want in a car........I'm sure you know what you want from a car.......but do you think they (the companies) know?


They have no idea, and no matter how many 'focus groups' they listen to, they will NEVER know.

I want a car that comes with all the latest James Bond accessories. One that operates on Anti-Gravity and can double as a space cruiser.

One that comes with a billion dollars in the trunk, a hot actress in the passenger seat (Dana Delaney, Nicole Kidman, or Barbara Dare) and has a bale of high-grade premium Afghani weed in the back seat, along with a 3,000-watt 20.1 Surround-Sound stereo with the entire remastered CVH catalog installed from the factory.

Oh, and it needs to be a car with a fucking supercharged ion-matter/anti-matter Hemi engine, and a lot of leg room.

But the auto industry will never give me what I want.

FUCK 'EM!
:cool:

[Cathedral]

Ya know, this thread got me thinking.
I have a 440 ready to be put back together for my '71, but this thread has me thinking about a crate Hemi and a totally updated drivetrain, instrumentation, suspension, the whole 9 fuckin yards, baby.

I saw a '70 Challenger at the Mopar Nationals done this way and it was bad ass. though i'd have to scale it down a little financially, it can be done for less than $30,000 by my rough estimate.

That means i'd have to pass on the new Challenger for a few years, or i could just go ahead and keep it stock and add the new Challenger to the collection ASAP and have them both in original factory form.

Things that make ya go , Hmmmmmmmm............

[Cathedral]

Originally posted by Hardrock69
They have no idea, and no matter how many 'focus groups' they listen to, they will NEVER know.

I want a car that comes with all the latest James Bond accessories. One that operates on Anti-Gravity and can double as a space cruiser.

One that comes with a billion dollars in the trunk, a hot actress in the passenger seat (Dana Delaney, Nicole Kidman, or Barbara Dare) and has a bale of high-grade premium Afghani weed in the back seat, along with a 3,000-watt 20.1 Surround-Sound stereo with the entire remastered CVH catalog installed from the factory.

Oh, and it needs to be a car with a fucking supercharged ion-matter/anti-matter Hemi engine, and a lot of leg room.

But the auto industry will never give me what I want.

FUCK 'EM!
:cool:

I just want a Hemi powered DeLorean with a flux capacitor that does "serious shit" at 88 miles per hour.

I want to go back in time, buy a huge building and fill it with '66 thru '74 Charger R/T's of all assortments then come back to the present and go open that mother fucker up and roll around on the floor with giddy laughter before looking up Barret-Jackson's phone number, lmmfao.

Well, since we're all dreamin -n- stuff. ;)

[bastardog]

I want a Chevelle convertible that looks like the '65 one or at leas the '70 with a 383 stroked chevy engine and a T56 trans. Carburated (with a Demon 750 annular booster) leather bucket seats and all the accesories that Hardrock69 mention except that I want a model or pornstar on every seat available (except the driver one) :)

[Jerry Falwell]

Had an '86 Mustang Convertible that pushed just over 500 HP at rear wheels.
After I got married, my wife felt like I needed to get rid of it... If momma aint' happy then...

[ODShowtime]

Originally posted by Hardrock69
They have no idea, and no matter how many 'focus groups' they listen to, they will NEVER know.

I want a car that comes with all the latest James Bond accessories. One that operates on Anti-Gravity and can double as a space cruiser.

One that comes with a billion dollars in the trunk, a hot actress in the passenger seat (Dana Delaney, Nicole Kidman, or Barbara Dare) and has a bale of high-grade premium Afghani weed in the back seat, along with a 3,000-watt 20.1 Surround-Sound stereo with the entire remastered CVH catalog installed from the factory.

Oh, and it needs to be a car with a fucking supercharged ion-matter/anti-matter Hemi engine, and a lot of leg room.

But the auto industry will never give me what I want.

FUCK 'EM!
:cool:

I'd be happy with a big enough fuckin' cupholder!

[Phil theStalker]

Originally posted by ODShowtime
I'd be happy with a big enough fuckin' cupholder! Why don't they just put in a six pack refridgerator cooler holder f4or you that runs off your lighter? :rolleyes:


:mad: