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Nickdfresh
02-06-2006, 03:03 PM
Hearings today on Bush wiretapping
Senate: The dispute is over the scope of the president's authority to act in the interest of national security
By David G. Savage
Los Angeles Times

Salt Lake Tribune (http://www.sltrib.com/nationworld/ci_3480334)
WASHINGTON - Ever since President Truman sent U.S. troops to fight in Korea in 1950, presidents have claimed broad wartime power to act without first seeking the approval of Congress. But they did so with the silence or implicit consent of lawmakers.
Senators convene today to confront the fact that, in combating terrorism, President Bush has gone a step further. In the controversies over the use of torture, the detention of ''enemy combatants'' and now wiretapping within the United States, he and his lawyers have maintained that the commander in chief has an ''inherent authority'' to act regardless of the law.
That issue is the heart of the dispute between the White House and Congress over Bush's order authorizing the National Security Agency to listen in on international phone calls coming from individuals suspected of being terrorists or of having ties to them.

''If there are people inside our country who are talking with al-Qaida, we want to know about it,'' the president said Tuesday in his State of the Union address.

While virtually no one quarrels with the president's goal of trying to detect terrorists who may be hiding in this country, many legal experts - and even some Republicans in Congress - doubt he has the power on his own to order wiretapping in the United States without a judicial warrant as the law requires.

This week's hearings were triggered by the recent disclosure of the NSA's secret domestic wiretapping program.

Previously, the legal parameters for wiretapping had been spelled out by Congress and by the Supreme Court. The government could conduct ''electronic surveillance'' in this country so long as it first obtained a warrant from a judge. Outside U.S. borders, there were no such limits on the NSA and its spying.

These rules had been set in the 1960s and 1970s, partly in response to reports that the FBI's J. Edgar Hoover and the Central Intelligence Agency had secretly spied on political dissidents, activists and celebrities.

In 1967, the Supreme Court ruled that wiretapping a phone was like invading a home. Applying the Fourth Amendment and its ban on unreasonable searches, the court said police and federal agents would have to show a magistrate they had ''probable cause'' to suspect criminal wrongdoing before they could tap a phone.

That case dealt with a criminal case, and presidents and their lawyers continued to argue that, in matters of national security, the White House could order wiretapping without a warrant.

The Supreme Court unanimously rejected that view in 1972. A warrant from a ''neutral and disinterested magistrate'' must be obtained before a phone is tapped, the justices said again. ''These Fourth Amendment freedoms cannot properly be guaranteed if domestic security surveillance may be conducted solely with the discretion of the executive branch,'' they said.

But the court noted it was not ruling on ''the activities of foreign powers or their agents'' who might be operating in the United States. ''Congress may wish to consider protective standards'' to permit but regulate electronic surveillance of foreign agents, the justices said.
In response, Congress passed and President Carter signed the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act of 1978. It permitted the president and the attorney general to conduct ''electronic surveillance'' in the United States to spy on foreign spies or to track international terrorists so long as they obtained a warrant from a judge on a special FISA court established for that purpose.

The law described this procedure as the ''exclusive means'' for authorizing such wiretaps and made it a crime to eavesdrop without a warrant.

The Senate Judiciary Committee said the measure ''puts to rest the notion that Congress recognizes an inherent presidential power to conduct such surveillance.''

Nickdfresh
02-06-2006, 03:06 PM
I'm listening to this live on NPR today...

ALITO sounds like a completely befuddled dipshit trying to "CYA" his way out of this. And every time he's asked a specific question, he plays the gov't secrecy card...

Basically, the justification is that the President received the authority to go to war with IRAQ???? Congress was not briefed until this program had been running for over TWO YEARS. That's their argument??

You BUSHeeps buy this?

DLR'sCock
02-06-2006, 04:02 PM
You mean, Alberto right? I thought Gonzalez was testyfing today.

Nickdfresh
02-07-2006, 06:21 AM
February 7, 2006
The Legal Arguments
In Limelight at Wiretap Hearing: 2 Laws, but Which Should Rule?
By ADAM LIPTAK

It is the sort of problem that judges confront every day. One law forbids a certain activity. The other may allow it. Which one counts?

Attorney General Alberto R. Gonzales made the case to the Senate Judiciary Committee yesterday that two potentially contradictory Congressional actions — one a 1978 law forbidding domestic surveillance without a court's permission, the other a 2001 resolution giving the president authority to use force to combat Al Qaeda — together mean that the executive branch is free to decide on its own to spy on communications between people in the United States and those abroad.

Under the ordinary rules that courts use to harmonize potentially conflicting laws, the more specific one typically governs. Here, that would seem to be the 1978 law, the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, or FISA, which created an elaborate legal scheme to regulate wiretaps, as well as a secret court that promptly hears warrant applications.

If a later law means to override or amend an earlier one, moreover, courts generally require it to say so specifically. The 2001 resolution authorized the president "to use all necessary and appropriate force against those nations, organizations or persons he determines planned, authorized, committed or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on Sept. 11, 2001, or harbored such organizations or persons, in order to prevent any future acts of international terrorism against the United States."

Whether the 2001 resolution created an exception to the 1978 law depends on whether "necessary and appropriate force" includes surveillance of the enemy. Neither detentions nor surveillance was mentioned in the resolution. The Bush administration says both are natural incidents of the use of force in wartime.

In 2004, the Supreme Court ruled that the resolution encompassed the detention of an American citizen captured on a foreign battlefield in a conventional war. But critics say spying on communications involving people in the United States is very different from detaining an enemy combatant.

Last month the Supreme Court confronted a broadly similar situation. The administration argued that a general federal statute, the Controlled Substances Act, gave the attorney general authority to override a specific Oregon law, the Death With Dignity Act. The court rejected that argument, saying the federal law did not specifically grant such authority. Congress, the court said, "does not alter the fundamental details of a regulatory scheme in vague terms or ancillary provisions — it does not, one might say, hide elephants in mouse holes."

Under that reasoning, the authorization for force to head off terrorism may be too general to override the 1978 law.

Mr. Gonzales acknowledged yesterday that at least some members of Congress did not realize they were voting for a surveillance program when they voted for the force resolution.

"But we are a nation governed by written laws," Mr. Gonzales said, "not the unwritten intentions of individuals. What matters is the plain meaning of the statute passed by Congress and signed by the president. And in this case, those plain words could not be clearer."

The committee's ranking Democrat, Senator Patrick J. Leahy of Vermont, disagreed.

"This authorization is not a wiretap statute," Mr. Leahy said. "We know what the wiretap statute looks like. This is not it."

Senator Lindsey Graham, Republican of South Carolina, said he "never envisioned that I was giving to this president or any other president the ability to go around FISA carte blanche."

"In all honesty," Mr. Graham told Mr. Gonzales, "this statutory-force-resolution argument that you're making is very dangerous in terms of its application for the future." An expansive reading of the 2001 resolution, Mr. Graham said, may make it "harder for the next president to get a force resolution if we take this too far."

Mr. Gonzales maintained yesterday that the two enactments "complement each other."

The committee's chairman, Senator Arlen Specter, Republican of Pennsylvania, responded, "Well, that just defies logic and plain English."

Mr. Gonzales conceded that his was not the only possible way to harmonize the two Congressional actions. But the administration's reading is, Mr. Gonzales said, "fairly possible." Given that, he continued, the Constitution requires deference to the executive branch's interpretation under a doctrine known as constitutional avoidance, which counsels against reading statutes in a way that creates constitutional conflict when another reasonable interpretation is available.

In a letter to Congress last week, a group of 14 constitutional scholars and former government officials said that "FISA is not ambiguous on this subject, and therefore the constitutional avoidance doctrine does not apply."

The administration has a fallback position, but it was not one Mr. Gonzales discussed much yesterday. Even if the force authorization did nothing to alter the restrictions set out in the 1978 law, he said, the president's constitutional authority as commander in chief may by itself allow the surveillance program.

"Fortunately," Mr. Gonzales continued, "we need not address that difficult question."

The senators questioning Mr. Gonzales often appeared frustrated and skeptical. That was due in some degree to the fact that many of them had taken part in enacting at least one of the two measures. But it was also a reaction to Mr. Gonzales's apparent position that neither Congress nor the courts had a role to play in clarifying any ambiguity.

Mr. Specter urged the administration to present the surveillance program to the FISA court "lock, stock and barrel."

"Let them see the whole thing," Mr. Specter said, "and let them pass judgment."

Mr. Gonzales did not provide a direct answer. He did say that in the case of some individual warrant applications, the administration did not believe it could move quickly enough to satisfy the 1978 law, though he acknowledged that the law allows applications to be filed up to 72 hours after the surveillance has started.

Mr. Gonzales also clarified again a statement he made on Dec. 19, a few days after the spying program was disclosed by The New York Times. At the time, he said the administration had not sought an amendment to the 1978 law because "certain members of Congress" had "advised that that would be difficult, if not impossible." Since then Mr. Gonzales has said the real problem is that such legislation could not be enacted without compromising the program.

Link (http://www.nytimes.com/2006/02/07/politics/07legal.html?ei=5094&en=ff81e4540815ce6e&hp=&ex=1139374800&partner=homepage&pagewanted=print)