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Roy Munson
02-28-2006, 10:26 AM
From the Los Angeles Times (http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/editorials/la-ed-ports26feb26,0,6772402.story?coll=la-news-comment-editorials)


Boxer's rebellion
EVEN AS THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION promotes free trade and economic growth as a counter to extremism in the Middle East and elsewhere, some members of Congress appear determined to send a different message: America is happy to use your nation as a staging ground or refueling station for its military adventures, but we don't trust you enough to trade with you. And among the members of Congress conveying this impression most loudly is the junior senator from California, Barbara Boxer.

Dubai Ports World, which is based in the United Arab Emirates, agreed last week to delay the acquisition of the U.S. terminals included in its purchase of a British cargo operations company while the administration gives Congress time to study the deal. Too much delay, or outright rejection, would tarnish this country's international reputation, but that's nothing compared to the damage that could be wrought by the ongoing hysteria in Congress.


No one can dispute that the UAE is a key ally, that the deal has been vetted by the Department of Homeland Security and that it would have no effect on government security operations at the six ports where Ports World would run terminals. The objections to the deal are more rooted in a general mistrust and lack of confidence in the Bush administration.

As well-founded as these concerns may be, they're not the kind of thing that is addressed through legislation such as that proposed by Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.) and Sen. Robert Menendez (D-N.J.). Their bill would block companies owned by foreign governments from buying U.S. port operators. If that's what they're really worried about, then they're too late. Some of the world's biggest shipping companies, including China Ocean Shipping (better known as Cosco) and Singapore's APL, both of which have a major presence at California ports, are government-owned. Many of the rest have complex relationships with their home governments, making it very difficult to determine which are state-owned.

This brouhaha is reminiscent of 1998, when Cosco proposed moving from its berth at the Port of Long Beach to a shuttered naval station on the other side of the port that was being converted to a container terminal. Congress, fearing the company was a front for Chinese spies, scotched the deal.

It remains mystifying why anyone would consider a closed naval station, its buildings demolished and equipment long gone, to be a more effective platform for spying than Cosco's present terminal. But opponents of the Cosco deal, mostly Republicans, won a political victory over the Clinton administration.

Now there is a Republican in the White House, and of all the grandstanding surrounding the Dubai Ports World deal, none tops Boxer's performance. She said last week that she would support legislation preventing any foreign firm, state-owned or not, from buying port operators. Memo to Boxer: 13 of the 14 container terminals at the ports of L.A. and Long Beach, the biggest port complex in the U.S., are run by foreign-owned companies. She later told The Times that she meant such deals should get greater scrutiny, not be banned. Still, this is the sort of proposal one would expect from a senator from a land-locked state like Vermont, not one where international trade plays a vital role in the economy. The Clinton-Menendez bill, which Boxer is backing, would do little more than disrupt port operations and attract international protest.

Boxer had a more enlightened view in 1998, when she supported the Cosco move. She now borrows a line from George W. Bush and says the world has changed since 9/11, but that still doesn't explain why she supported terminal operations run by a foreign government-owned company eight years ago but now distrusts any foreign operator whether it comes from a country involved in terrorism or not.

One possible explanation is that the Cosco deal was heavily backed by a Democratic administration, while the Dubai Ports World deal is heavily backed by a Republican administration. But that would mean Boxer is working against the interests of her state in order to score cheap political points. She would never do such a thing. Would she?

Roy Munson
02-28-2006, 10:32 AM
Boxer = Major Hypocrite.

I love it.

FORD
02-28-2006, 10:41 AM
Did China fund any portion of 9-11? Any Chinese guys on those planes?

Not to my knowledge.

For the record, I don't believe ANY foreign country should be running our ports.

But let's start by eliminating the ones who are directly involved with the Saudis, the Bin Ladens, the BCE, and the terraists.

Roy Munson
02-28-2006, 10:53 AM
Originally posted by FORD


For the record, I don't believe ANY foreign country should be running our ports.

We agree on this. But, you do realize that our port security is still run by the US even though the business of a lot of ports happen to be run by other state and government owned entities?




But let's start by eliminating the ones who are directly involved with the Saudis, the Bin Ladens, the BCE, and the terraists.

:rolleyes:

4moreyears
02-28-2006, 10:55 AM
Originally posted by FORD


But let's start by eliminating the ones who are directly involved with the Saudis, the Bin Ladens, the BCE, and the terraists.

What are terraists?

Roy Munson
02-28-2006, 10:58 AM
Originally posted by 4moreyears
What are terraists?


Indeed. LOL:D

FORD
02-28-2006, 11:00 AM
They're the make believe "terrorists" who work for the Bush Criminal Empire.

Big Train
03-01-2006, 11:45 PM
I just enjoyed that she trumpeted it soooo loudly. Bad deserving indeed. It was only a matter of time with her.

Secondly, anyone who thinks just because an American Company (or more accurately, the employee of an American company, usually a brown skinned person from down south) opens the container, it's not gonna go boom?

FORD
03-01-2006, 11:55 PM
Originally posted by Big Train
I just enjoyed that she trumpeted it soooo loudly. Bad deserving indeed. It was only a matter of time with her.

Secondly, anyone who thinks just because an American Company (or more accurately, the employee of an American company, usually a brown skinned person from down south) opens the container, it's not gonna go boom?

The UAE has been directly linked to AL Qaeda itself, and that's according to the BCE's own propaganda.

Local port authorities are included in "top secret" security briefings. If those port authorities are in league with the terrorists themselves, then how can the ports be secure, or how could Homeland Security arguably stay ahead of the terrorists?

If there's low paid Mexican workers opening containers at a Chinese owned port, they may or may not be as careful as they should be, and that IS a problem that needs to be addressed as well. But one thing they probably would NOT be doing is taking phone calls from Osama Bin Laden. Or whoever's running the theoretical international terraist club this week.

ELVIS
03-02-2006, 12:09 AM
Theoretical ??

That's a big mistake, I think...

Big Train
03-02-2006, 12:10 AM
What makes you think ANY of them need to be involved at all. Think it through: Does ANYONE from any country of origin want to be standing on that dock when the nukes come? Only a suicide bomber would. This manner of thinking assumes on a few people would be aware of it, which is impossible. It's a serious leap of faith to say the port guys would all be in on it, when they don't have to be at all. The bombs could be rigged to blow before they offload it or when they open the door.

The likelihood of multiple people knowing is not smart. The more people that know about it, the greater the likelihood of it being detected and stopped. It only takes one guy on the other end when it is loading.

The countries of the dockworkers and owners have little to do with any of that.

FORD
03-02-2006, 12:23 AM
My bottom line here is that NO private corporation should be running the ports, and certainly no foreign government. These are the type of things that should be the responsibility of the local government.

As for Mexican port workers, they'll get their chance soon enough. Aren't they still planning on building that huge port about an hour south of Tijuana