Sopranos Return Tonight

[ALinChainz]

"Members Only" Episode #66.

Tony ponders an associate's retirement request; Junior takes Tony on a backyard treasure hunt; Hesh seeks restitution for a wrong perpetrated against his son-in-law.

Adult Situations; Graphic Language; Nudity; Graphic Violence.


After 22 months ... here come what is supposed to be the last 20 episodes. I believe 13 then the final 7 next January.

[ALinChainz]

http://televisionwithoutpity.com/show.cgi

Recaps of every episode.

[fe_lung]

Too bad The Soprano family is on opposite the Griifin Family. Sorry, Tony - you'll be re-run 900 times this week alone. I'll watch Peter!

[rustoffa]

Waiting impatiently.

[rustoffa]

Welp, looks like Junior's up to his old tricks!

[ALinChainz]

How fucked up was that.

Its retirement community coming up for Junior.

Good thing about tonight's episode, 2 rats down ...

[rustoffa]

LOL, I kept waiting for Carmella's Cayenne to blow up.

All the shit with Sesch getting fucked up via the NY family, and the fat faggot running his mouth @ the Bada Bing.....

Should be an explosive season!

[ALinChainz]

I think we've had all the breast feeding scenes with Janis that we need for this season too.

I know Junior's an old dude, but it was a trip seeing him with no teeth.

[Ally_Kat]

You woulda thought seeing how he is that way, they would have taken away those type of things.

I hope Carmella keeps having those dreams, though. Something is deffy going to appen with that storyline and I bet Carmella finds out and gets pissed at Tony.

[BigBadBrian]

The last season is on!!!

Anyone watching?

I think Bobby fucked up by smacking Tony.

Whaddya think?

[Ally_Kat]

Originally posted by BigBadBrian
The last season is on!!!

Anyone watching?

I think Bobby fucked up by smacking Tony.

Whaddya think?

I think he's going to get caught with the job he did

[vh rides again]

so who here is a sapranos fan.

its my favorite show.

i wish i would have seen you guys posting about it earlier in the season.

this weeks episode was pretty good.

i didnt like seeing silvio get shot, hes pretty much my favorite character. but later on they said he was in the hospital but not likely to regain conciousness.

im hopeing they will go a couple weeks into the future and silvio has made a dramatic recovery and teemed back up with tony and the gang for the last episode.

they need his ass for the big gangland shootout thats coming up, hes definately a stonecold killer, i think thats why they left him alive instead of getting clipped.

i wish they would have started the killing a little sooner so we could see the aftermath.

i hope the last clip is with tony sitting at the helm of the newyork syndicate, ruling everything.

gimme your thoughts on how it will end.

[Matt White]

It stopped being interesting after the 3rd season........


It's been a soap opera for years.....


time for THE SOPRANOS MOVIE..........

[ALinChainz]

Houston Chronicle picks 10 Great Sopranos Moments .... the highlight of course ...

2. Poker. Is the world of The Sopranos real or not? Well, real-life people show up for high-stakes, "classy" poker games. Among them: former football star Lawrence Taylor, Frank Sinatra Jr. and rocker David Lee Roth, who, when talk turned to taxes, said, "I used to write off condoms."

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/ent/4870730.html

[Hyman Roth]

Originally posted by Matt White
It stopped being interesting after the 3rd season........


It's been a soap opera for years.....


time for THE SOPRANOS MOVIE..........

It did get to be a bit too soap opera-y there for a while...when T and Carm were splitting up....but maybe that was just to appeal to a wider audience than your typical ganster-film afficianados. They picked it up again though when they brought in Steve Buscemi and Frank Vincent. The last 2.5 or 3 seasons have been awesome.

[vh rides again]

Originally posted by Matt White
It stopped being interesting after the 3rd season........


It's been a soap opera for years.....


time for THE SOPRANOS MOVIE.......... a movie would be good.

[vh rides again]

Originally posted by Hyman Roth
It did get to be a bit too soap opera-y there for a while...when T and Carm were splitting up....but maybe that was just to appeal to a wider audience than your typical ganster-film afficianados. They picked it up again though when they brought in Steve Buscemi and Frank Vincent. The last 2.5 or 3 seasons have been awesome.

yes they have been good years, i didnt care for last season all that much, but this year there was some twists and turns.

i thought last weeks episode was great,ive watched it a few times now just to keep in tune with tonights episode.

im kinda sorry the show is going to end. i always look forward to seeing it.
hopefully they wont kill off tony so there can be a movie, like matt white said in post above.

[Hyman Roth]

Posted this at DDLR:


Watching the most recent episode, I entertained the brief notion that Pauly Walnuts sells Tony out to Phil Leotardo and Tony bites it in the end. Pauly bitched about going to the matress with NY referencing the last time he went to war in the 70's and how he barely survived. He delegated the job of setting up the Leotardo hit to Patsy Parisi (who has proved capable in the past, but still, if I remember correctly, Miami Steve gave the job to Paulie).

Paulie is from Tony's father's old crew. He probably doesn't have much time left before he retires. Leotardo's crew is bigger than Tony's crew and Paulie probably thinks he's a target. A few seasons back, he made overtures to Johnny Sack more than once when he wasn't pleased with the way things were going. If T would have know about it, it would have been one final boat trip on the 'Stugats' for Paulie.

I could see Paulie justifying it to himself as a matter of self-preservation. I could also imagine Paulie getting whacked at the same time as Tony after it is revealed that Paulie betrayed Tony.

Frank Vincent is awesome as Phil Leotardo - am I right?

[Hyman Roth]

Originally posted by vh rides again
... i didnt care for last season all that much....

Yeah - I was a bit bored with the "Vito's homo escapade" thing...that is until he capped that dude he rear ended on his way back to see his family....then the story started to take off.

And that final scene where Frank Vincent literally "came out of the closet" to wack him (he was hiding in the closet and that was certainly intentional irony on the part of whoever wrote that script...did anyone notice that?) man - that was a great moment in the history of the series.

One thing is for certain - tonight's final episode is going to KICK ASS....forgeddabout it!!

[Baby's On Fire]

Originally posted by Hyman Roth
Posted this at DDLR:



Frank Vincent is awesome as Phil Leotardo - am I right?

I agree. I have been predicting that Paulie has been plotting against Tony without the audience knowing it. I also predicted TOny would kill Christopher. But, I also predicted Silvio would not get killed. He wasn't killed yet, but it is implied he won't be coming out of the coma.

[Rikk]

Christopher dying was indeed a predictable one. But I originally thought that Christopher would be the one to betray T.

I still think Tony will live...and I think it will not be exactly what we guessed.

But I still the two Arab guys will play a part...

[PlexiBrown]

Tony should have let AJ drown.

[Rikk]

Originally posted by PlexiBrown
Tony should have let AJ drown.

I agree. A.J. is more useless than Jackie Aprile Jr.

It's not that the kid has problems...it's that he's never had any positive influence on anyone in his life.

Will he die, though? I think that would be the more predictable route. I don't see it happening.

[PlexiBrown]

I wonder if Silvio will die or if they will let the series end with him unconscious in the hospital.

[PlexiBrown]

Frank Vincent is awesome as Phil Leotardo - am I right?

Yes.

[Hyman Roth]

Originally posted by Rikk
...

But I still the two Arab guys will play a part...

That sure would be an interesting twist from out of left field but I wouldn't put it past Mr. Chase.

How about if that Russian they left in the Pine Barrens came back with an AK-47 and just leveled everyone??? :D

[Hyman Roth]

"Put remote control back on remote control docking station..."


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Originally posted by PlexiBrown
Tony should have let AJ drown.

Yeah - his character is weak but Iller has turned out to be a decent actor - convincing, at least. Jamie-Lynn (Meadow) on the other hand was a better actor in when she was a kid than she is now - seriously, she is so bad that after the Sopranos is over....she will never get cast in anything serious again. I knew better actors in my high school drama class. She is truly the weakest link in that ensemble. But still....


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[PlexiBrown]

http://www.hbo.com/sopranos/

[PlexiBrown]

This chick is hot.

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[PlexiBrown]

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[diamondsgirl]

Originally posted by vh rides again
gimme your thoughts on how it will end.

the way they showed Tony with the gun in his arms, laying on the bed, in the dark room... I thought he might blow himself away.

The setup being the talk with Dr. Melfi of how AJs depression was genetic from Tony's side of the family, etc. And now she refuses to see him. He became dependent on her over the years without realizing it.

I hate that Christopher is gone. He was my favorite character besides Tony. Paulie is cool too. He's been acting fucked up lately like he's losing his mind. He'll have a big part in the ending, IMO.

[diamondsgirl]

One of the bests casts ever on television:

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[PlexiBrown]

There is a porno flick called "The Sopornos"

http://www.vistadvd.co.uk/stckimg/FMDV1073.jpg

[PlexiBrown]

http://www.salon.com/ent/col/mill/2000/01/14/sopranos/cover.jpg

[Unchainme]

I've been digging the Soprano's over the last few years..My Dad ALWAYS watches it when it comes on a 9..So I got sucked into it pretty quickly..The sad part is.,..I got to tape tonights Episode, Because the Cavs game is on at the same time..:D

[Ally_Kat]

EW's got a list of the 10 best Sopranos episodes. And you can vote for your own favorites

here's their list:

10. THE SECOND COMING (Season 6)

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As Tony slips into sociopathic self-preservation in the series' waning days, his love for his children provides his last link to humanity. Yet he acts like an animal to protect them, bullying AJ out of depression and kicking in the teeth of Phil's henchman, who harassed Meadow. It takes AJ's suicide attempt to bring him back, clutching his wailing son and tenderly murmuring ''Come on, baby.'' He finds his heart, but it's too late. Devastating. —Josh Wolk


9. D-GIRL (Season 2)

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In an episode where AJ turns to Nietzsche and weed while Big Pussy winds up in FBI wires and tears, the mood is lightened when aspiring screenwriter Christopher stumbles into the film industry: He scores with a foul dialogue fix on a Janeane Garofalo set, sleeps with a hungry film exec, and ultimately gets used by Jon Favreau, who swipes one of Christopher's off-limits Mob stories for his own script. A clever metameeting of two mercenary worlds. —Dan Snierson

8. BOCA (Season 1)

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Watching Tony turn on Meadow's soccer coach is to watch him exert his influence in every way. He goes from offering strippers (when the team wins) to bribery (when the coach takes a new job) to wanting him dead (when it is revealed he bedded a player). And when word leaks Junior has a taste for a certain sex act, the old man retaliates with the best food-to-face scene since James Cagney introduced Mae Clarke to a grapefruit in The Public Enemy. — Dalton Ross



7. LONG TERM PARKING (Season 5)

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In the beginning was the joke — ''We're in a f---in' stagmire,'' spoken, inimitably, by Little Carmine. In the end, though, we're still shaken remembering the miserable last days of Chrissy's tragic girlfriend and rat, Adriana — and her last desperate moments, crawling on hands and knees away from her fate at the end of Silvio's gun barrel. She was beautiful, venal, used, and a user. She had to go. We still miss her the most. —Lisa Schwarzbaum



6. EMPLOYEE OF THE MONTH (Season 3)

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The esplanade scam. Meadow and Jackie Jr. Johnny Sack's rotund wife. ''EOTM'' was ground zero for so many arcs. But it's Dr. Melfi's rape for which it's best remembered, and the way Melfi is tempted to ditch her principles for a shot at vengeance. Bracco is almost unbearably brilliant; she makes you feel every painful inch of her physical, emotional, and ethical ordeal. Her haunting final line — ''No'' — is crushingly heroic. —Jeff Jensen



5. FUNHOUSE (Season 2)

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What's a few stolen airline tickets between son and mother? Enough to land son in FBI custody, cuffed to an endlessly destructive relationship. But this season finale truly transcends when a different ''family'' tie is severed as Tony realizes that his homeboy-turned-snitch Big Pussy must be whacked. Watching a tequila-soaked Pussy try to negotiate the terms of his deep-sea shooting triggers waves of queasy heartbreak. —Dan Snierson

4. PINE BARRENS (Season 3) (FOR THE WIN!)

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It's remembered as a comic high point: Paulie and Christopher botch a hit on a drunk Russian, get lost in the snowy woods tracking him, and end up freezing in an abandoned truck, sucking down ketchup packets for sustenance. But in light of Tony's paranoid housecleaning at series' end, it's the feral way the panicked duo turn on each other that resonates, a reminder how in this crew, survival trumps loyalty. —Josh Wolk

3. WHITECAPS (Season 4)

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The Sopranos' imperfect marriage always got by on a screwed-up code of omertà, but it takes a near-fatal whacking when one of Tony's ex-comares drunk-dials the house and tells Carm about Tony's dalliances. The fallout is family drama at its unparalleled best. Watch this episode for Edie Falco's fiery, Emmy-winning performance as a woman both exhausted and scorned. It's a historic exercise in onscreen fearlessness. —Nicholas Fonseca

2. THE KNIGHT IN WHITE SATIN ARMOR (Season 2)

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''All in all,'' says T as his sister takes her bag of need and rage back to Seattle, ''I'd say it was a pretty good visit.'' Better than that: Tony deals with a suicidal goomah, Junior sides with his nephew, Big Pussy sings. Oh, and Janice pulls the trigger on Richie Aprile in one of the greatest shock pops in Sopranos history. For a Grand Guignol flourish, nothing beats the late-night fleshhacking in Satriale's. — Lisa Schwarzbaum

1. COLLEGE (Season 1)

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What starts as an innocent father/daughter college visit takes a shocking turn when Tony brutally strangles a Mob turncoat. But it's Carmela who serves up the show's essential themes of trust and treachery, rationalization and regret, as she flirts with Father Phil during a dark night of true confessions and illicit movie-watching: ''Well, let's face it, Father — we got some major contradictions here!'' Fuhgeddaboudit? Impossible. —Jeff Jensen

from here:http: //www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20041672,00.html

[Ally_Kat]

you can vote for your favorite on their site here: http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20041451,00.html

[PlexiBrown]

I didn't like those episodes where Christopher was working on that screenplay. I didn't care for that whole Cleaver thing either. D-Girl sucked.

[Rikk]

Originally posted by PlexiBrown
I didn't like those episodes where Christopher was working on that screenplay. I didn't care for that whole Cleaver thing either.

I agree.

I never liked the D-GIRL episode. I didn't see the point...and I felt the same about CLEAVER. I just never got interested in Christopher's side-plots...

[Hyman Roth]

Originally posted by PlexiBrown
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Holy mother of God, that is brilliant!

* Ed to Russian guy * - "hey man...howz 'bout you pass that bottle my way".

Good one, Plexi!

[vh rides again]

Originally posted by diamondsgirl
the way they showed Tony with the gun in his arms, laying on the bed, in the dark room... I thought he might blow himself away.
im thinking hes just scared and will come out of it, he is a mean SOB, and i cant see him laying down for anyone, hes too self absorbed to commit suicide.


Originally posted by diamondsgirl


The setup being the talk with Dr. Melfi of how AJs depression was genetic from Tony's side of the family, etc. And now she refuses to see him. He became dependent on her over the years without realizing it.
i kinda think she might be near if and when he dies.


Originally posted by diamondsgirl


I hate that Christopher is gone. He was my favorite character besides Tony. Paulie is cool too. He's been acting fucked up lately like he's losing his mind. He'll have a big part in the ending, IMO.
yeah he was my 3rd favorite behind sil and tony, he was a mean SOB too, he would have been good to have on your side when the chips fell.



i would like to see tony and the crew kick some serious ass and come out smelling like roses. sil and pauli running the jersey crew and tony breaking into new york.
hey its happened in real life, wasnt the teflon don from jersey? then went to being the big guy in new york after killing a big boss over there?.

i really want to see silvio get out of the hospital and rejoin tonies crew for the big shootout.

i hope its not a lame ass ending.

[vh rides again]

Originally posted by Rikk
I agree.

I never liked the D-GIRL episode. I didn't see the point...and I felt the same about CLEAVER. I just never got interested in Christopher's side-plots...


Originally posted by Rikk
I agree.

I never liked the D-GIRL episode. I didn't see the point...and I felt the same about CLEAVER. I just never got interested in Christopher's side-plots...
i know that shit just kinda went nowhere, what the hell happened to the movie, who got royalties or rights to it, they didnt think that one out very well.
and why in the hell did they kill cristopher? stupid.

[vh rides again]

Originally posted by PlexiBrown
There is a porno flick called "The Sopornos"

http://www.vistadvd.co.uk/stckimg/FMDV1073.jpg

wow my girlfriend loves the sopranos, maybe i cant tell her they are coming out with the sapranos movie and try and get the porno past her, think she'll notice?
ill just tell her they can show the sex scenes in it because its a movie and not on tv. hell she watches real sex on hbo.

[PlexiBrown]

The ending of the last show was like fucking a chick without shooting a load.

[vh rides again]

Originally posted by PlexiBrown
The ending of the last show was like fucking a chick without shooting a load.

man, i cant believe the ending, what a piece of shit.

[Ally_Kat]

LMAO!

I ain't going to deny, I was a lil disappointed, but not too much cuz it was exactly how I would have done it if I was a show's creator.

[hotdog@ a shake]

Well, It's over ...

Ciao Tony .

Thanks for being there for all those boring ass Sunday nite's ...

[Baby's On Fire]

Originally posted by vh rides again
man, i cant believe the ending, what a piece of shit.

At first I thought it sucked, but on reflection it's brilliant. The tension when Tony was waiting in the diner was great, and we're left wondering right until the screen went black if it was Meadow he turned to see come in or another person on a hit-crew coming in. Even if he survivies, there is the pending indictment.

It was brilliant.

The final episode needing more shootings however.

[PlexiBrown]

I was hoping that Big Pussy's ghost would fuck Tony in the ass at The Bing.

[Ally_Kat]

The whole episode was filled with tension. I loved the cuts to Paulie where it was as if they were foreshadowing to him turning and popping Tony.

I thought it was great. You were on pins and needles the whole episode waiting for someone to shoot at the guy and then that ending. LOL! I love it.

My poor Ma, though. She seriously thought our cable went out.

[diamondsgirl]

Originally posted by Ally_Kat
The whole episode was filled with tension. I loved the cuts to Paulie where it was as if they were foreshadowing to him turning and popping Tony.

I thought it was great. You were on pins and needles the whole episode waiting for someone to shoot at the guy and then that ending. LOL! I love it.

My poor Ma, though. She seriously thought our cable went out.

LOL. Thats exactly what I thought. When the screen went black with one minute left, I just said "you've GOT to be fucking kidding me".

The tension of the last 10 minutes was pretty intense, but the rest of the show was a bit of a snooze...except when Phil got run over by his grand kids...lol

[diamondsgirl]

The best episode ever was Pine Barrens. That was some funny shit when they were eating the ketchup packets and Paulie looks completely crazy at Christopher and says "mix it with the relish"....

Paulie and Christopher were always good together on screen. Both characters were excellent.

[Antman]

I was glad Leotardo got popped. Fuck him. Did Sil recover? Was Paulie wearing? Does Tony turn? Get indicted? Retire? Looking back, I'd say it was a fitting ending. More loose ties, leaving you wanting more.

[Hyman Roth]

I gotta watch it again before I can even begin to soak it all up.

[PlexiBrown]

It almost seemed like they were leaving the door open in case they wanted to do something in the future. Also, Tony's choice of song (Don't Stop Believing) in the jukebox at the end made me think that something could be up for down the road.

[PlexiBrown]

Well......now I can get rid of HBO.

[Rikk]

That was fucked.

I'm serious...

How much needs to be read into everything.

Can't they just come out and tell you one thing straight out?

They didn't really answer any questions...

At least not many.

Unless this actually is leading to a movie or something, I'm not gonna pretend it was great. It was a disappointment.

[knuckleboner]

wasted episode.

other than phil getting killed, what happened to note that it was a finale to anything? half-season/season/series? nothing. yes, the episode was well shot; i totally agree that the tension build up was really well done. but other than that, it was a waste.

i'm not asking for nice and neat closure. but how about some insight maybe? and i'm not even talking about insight into plot. it could've been an insight into the characters, their motivation, their true loyalties. nothing really changed though.

i mean, yes, maybe it's the first time they showed it, but one HAS to assume that a mob character like tony soprano would ALWAYS be looking over his shoulder; would ALWAYS be excpecting somebody to try something.


just a poor ending. if you ask me (and nobody did!) if they wanted the cliffhanger/unknown ending, it would've been much better to have AJ been the one who got popped with the ecstasy. then have tony offered the choice between families. and hell, end it with a closed judges chamber door where i don't know what he did.

but for a show that's supposed to be so groundbreaking and meaningful, i'm left at the end thinking nothing more than, "eh, soprano life goes on as usual."

wasted.

[PlexiBrown]

Yeah, they tried to get too cute with the ending and they blew it big time. I could have lived without the series ending with a Journey song too. It only makes sense if they are leaving the door open for something down the road.

[diamondsgirl]

I was just discussing this with someone and they said when the screen went black...Tony got whacked. They showed Meadow walking in as Tony saw her, and then it went black.

He's dead.

Someone said (earlier in the season, can't remember what character) "when its your time to go, you never see it coming..."

I am going to watch it again. But, I think they're right.

What do you think?

[Rikk]

Originally posted by diamondsgirl
I was just discussing this with someone and they said when the screen went black...Tony got whacked. They showed Meadow walking in as Tony saw her, and then it went black.

He's dead.

Someone said (earlier in the season, can't remember what character) "when its your time to go, you never see it coming..."

I am going to watch it again. But, I think they're right.

What do you think?

Yeah, a friend of mine was telling me the same thing this morning.

I don't know what to think. I guess it's possible...but I don't know.

Incidentally, Chase said a little while ago that he's still not opposed to a movie in a few years...but I don't see how... Not without Christopher. Or Bobby.

[diamondsgirl]

Originally posted by Rikk
Yeah, a friend of mine was telling me the same thing this morning.

I don't know what to think. I guess it's possible...but I don't know.

Incidentally, Chase said a little while ago that he's still not opposed to a movie in a few years...but I don't see how... Not without Christopher. Or Bobby.

and definately not without T.

Maybe it will be a prequel, so we can see a teenage Tony driving around in his IROC listening to CVH! :cool:

It would be cool to see all the old characters back. Adrianna, Big Pussy, etc.

[PlexiBrown]

Originally posted by diamondsgirl
I was just discussing this with someone and they said when the screen went black...Tony got whacked. They showed Meadow walking in as Tony saw her, and then it went black.

He's dead.

Someone said (earlier in the season, can't remember what character) "when its your time to go, you never see it coming..."

I am going to watch it again. But, I think they're right.

What do you think?

If this were the case then it would have been better if they showed someone walk up to Tony with a gun pointed at him and then fade to black. It also didn't make sense that there were at least 4 potential hitmen in the restaurant. As it stands, the series ended with Tony eating onion rings and listening to Journey.

[PlexiBrown]

Also, I think the point was it turned out to be business as usual.

Tony having dinner with his messed up family while having the same paranoia about everything he always had.

In other words, nothing ever changes.

[EAT MY ASSHOLE]

Originally posted by PlexiBrown
Also, I think the point was it turned out to be business as usual.

Tony having dinner with his messed up family while having the same paranoia about everything he always had.

In other words, nothing ever changes.

That was my take.

To my mind, it worked. But as someone who is telling a story, you could argue Chase copped out. Instead of having to make a final decision and provide a conclusion, he just let the viewer draw his/her own.

[Ally_Kat]

Originally posted by diamondsgirl
I was just discussing this with someone and they said when the screen went black...Tony got whacked. They showed Meadow walking in as Tony saw her, and then it went black.

He's dead.

Someone said (earlier in the season, can't remember what character) "when its your time to go, you never see it coming..."

I am going to watch it again. But, I think they're right.

What do you think?

I think Chase left it with so many options that we would be talking like this after it was all done and said. Yes, the diner scene had a lot of symbolism: The boy scout troops and their leader. The couple where I had to do the double take cuz the guy seriously looked like Christopher. All the people Tony was looking at. Meadow fucking up the parking and redoing it.

But really, I think Chase just went the other way. What happens in every mobster story? Either they get popped, go to jail, or become a snitch. In this one, Tony did neither. And we'll be arguing for years what all the symbolism in the diner meant and what the black screen and silent credits meant, unless Chase tells us. We won't stop believin'. ;)

[Rikk]

Originally posted by Ally_Kat
I think Chase left it with so many options that we would be talking like this after it was all done and said. Yes, the diner scene had a lot of symbolism: The boy scout troops and their leader. The couple where I had to do the double take cuz the guy seriously looked like Christopher. All the people Tony was looking at. Meadow fucking up the parking and redoing it.

But really, I think Chase just went the other way. What happens in every mobster story? Either they get popped, go to jail, or become a snitch. In this one, Tony did neither. And we'll be arguing for years what all the symbolism in the diner meant and what the black screen and silent credits meant, unless Chase tells us. We won't stop believin'. ;)

One thing Chase has always surprisingly done is actually reveal lots of the secrets and symbolism behind particular episodes. I'm sure he'll have some sort of explanation down the line...

[diamondsgirl]

Originally posted by PlexiBrown
If this were the case then it would have been better if they showed someone walk up to Tony with a gun pointed at him and then fade to black. It also didn't make sense that there were at least 4 potential hitmen in the restaurant. As it stands, the series ended with Tony eating onion rings and listening to Journey.

True, but by doing it this way, we never know who did it. There were 4 potential hitmen that we SAW. Was it someone we saw in the restaurant who came around behind him? Or was it someone we never saw at all? (Like the foreshadowing suggested from weeks prior...you never see it coming)

Were the onion rings poisoned? Did Tony just black out? We'll never know...

The ending leaves us talking about it, and wanting more...which is what a writer wants. No?

I am less disappointed after thinking this through. Its pretty brilliant, IMO.

I am going to watch it again to see if Meadow's expression gives any clue. I can't remember how her face looked when she walked in. She would have seen what was happening. It seemed she was about to say something...but it was so quick...

[diamondsgirl]

Excellent points on symbolism.
I thought the cat was symbolizing something too...nine lives...I dunno. Anyone?

[MUSICMANN]

Good ending im my opinion. So many differant conclusions you can come up with in the final minute or so. Some think he got popped, but i just don't see that. The war between NY had been settled. Tony went to see uncle jun and Sil alone, so no whacking for Tony.

The whole season has been about Tony trying to find himself, finding peace, remember vegas. The playing of journey's don't stop believing was also a good metaphore for tony realizing that even though, the feds were handing out indicments from Carlos being a snitch, Having a son that has major depression, a daughter that changed careers and all the other things that went down with his crew, he was still on top, and had to press on.

The show started with Tony being the family man, and ended that way.

[PlexiBrown]

I am going to watch it again to see if Meadow's expression gives any clue.

I saw it twice. Meadow never actually made it into the restaurant. She was approaching the door and really didn't have a look on her face like something was wrong inside or that she even saw her family inside.

[diamondsgirl]

Originally posted by PlexiBrown
I saw it twice. Meadow never actually made it into the restaurant. She was approaching the door and really didn't have a look on her face like something was wrong inside or that she even saw her family inside.

well then...nevermind...:p

[Ally_Kat]

Originally posted by PlexiBrown
I saw it twice. Meadow never actually made it into the restaurant. She was approaching the door and really didn't have a look on her face like something was wrong inside or that she even saw her family inside.

Well, I think she did as per the bell ringing. We jsut didn't see her enter

[Ally_Kat]

Originally posted by diamondsgirl
Excellent points on symbolism.
I thought the cat was symbolizing something too...nine lives...I dunno. Anyone?

Us, the viewers. We sit and stare at the tv when the show is on. The show is put on A&E, cut and pasted, and still a large audience tunes in to see it.

[PlexiBrown]

Well, I think she did as per the bell ringing. We jsut didn't see her enter

They never showed you.

She was walking toward it and you heard it open, but you never saw who opened it when Tony looked up and it went to black.

[PlexiBrown]

You can watch the final moments here.

http://news.aol.com/entertainment/tv/articles/_a/no-easy-ending-for-the-sopranos/20070611065109990001

[Ally_Kat]

Originally posted by PlexiBrown
They never showed you.

She was walking toward it and you heard it open, but you never saw who opened it when Tony looked up and it went to black.

Yes, I know. But it was the best time to pull the black screen because it left in an air of suspense. The cut there leaves the moment open for everyone to speculate what exactly happened.

[Ally_Kat]

Very interesting:



A theory proposed by a reader of the NJ.com Sopranos blog using the handle Lorbnash: the nine episodes of this season have represented the nine circles of Hell from Dante's "The Divine Comedy." The fourth circle, for instance, is for the greedy and the miserly; the fourth episode was Tony and Hesh's gambling showdown. The seventh circle is where the suicides go; A.J. took his dip in the family pool in episode seven. The ninth circle is for the traitors, and Butchie implicitly betrayed Phil. (For added fun, reader Joe Adler pointed out the similarities between the Eugene Delacroix painting "The Barque of Dante" and the Annie Leibovitz promotional image on the season five DVD set. Google them both if you want your mind blown.)

http://www.nj.com/columns/ledger/sepinwall/index.ssf?/base/entertainment-0/1181536338249770.xml&coll=1

[PlexiBrown]

I get what people are trying to say about the ending but I think it still sucked.

[vh rides again]

woops

[knuckleboner]

Originally posted by PlexiBrown
I get what people are trying to say about the ending but I think it still sucked.

i still totally agree with you. i swear to god it's "the emperor's new clothes," story with the sopranos. so many people have said how outstanding and groundbreaking the sopranos is; and how many obscure, but important references chase includes, that it MUST be good, even if i don't think so.


hey, david chase ended the series in the middle of a scene. but it didn't actually show us any new insight; it's just tony the mob boss being worried about the potential dangers inherent in the business. but it's the sopranos! it's groundbreaking! oh yeah! i loved the ending! didn't you hear? it was groundbreaking!

[diamondsgirl]

I didn't know that Michael Imperioli is 41 and James Gandolfini is 46.

They seem much further apart in age. Hmm.

[PlexiBrown]

Originally posted by knuckleboner
i still totally agree with you. i swear to god it's "the emperor's new clothes," story with the sopranos. so many people have said how outstanding and groundbreaking the sopranos is; and how many obscure, but important references chase includes, that it MUST be good, even if i don't think so.


hey, david chase ended the series in the middle of a scene. but it didn't actually show us any new insight; it's just tony the mob boss being worried about the potential dangers inherent in the business. but it's the sopranos! it's groundbreaking! oh yeah! i loved the ending! didn't you hear? it was groundbreaking!

Yeah, David Chase probably said to himself, "I am going to create the worst ending possible and some people will still say that it is genius". Either that or he just got too artsie fartsie with it.

When it ended I said, "what the hell was that" and then I was left with the feeling that I watched the entire series for nothing. What a joke!