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BigBadBrian
03-21-2006, 09:02 AM
Threat of Major Hurricane Strike Grows for Northeast
AccuWeather.com Warns That "Weather Disaster of Historic Proportions" Could Strike as Early as This Year

(New York, NY - March 20, 2006) - The northeast U.S. coast could be the target of a major hurricane, perhaps as early as this season, according to research announced today by the AccuWeather.com Hurricane Center. In terms of number of storms, the 2006 hurricane season will again be more active than normal, but less active than last summer's historic storm season.

"The Northeast is staring down the barrel of a gun," said Joe Bastardi, Chief Forecaster of the AccuWeather.com Hurricane Center. "The Northeast coast is long overdue for a powerful hurricane, and with the weather patterns and hydrology we're seeing in the oceans, the likelihood of a major hurricane making landfall in the Northeast is not a question of if but when."

AccuWeather.com Hurricane Center research meteorologists have identified weather cycles that indicate which U.S. coastal areas are most susceptible to landfalls. "If you examine past weather cycles that have occurred in the Atlantic, you will see patterns of storms," added Ken Reeves, Expert Senior Meteorologist and Director of Forecasting Operations at AccuWeather.com. "Determination of where we are in the cycle has enabled AccuWeather.com meteorologists to accurately predict hurricane activity in Florida in 2004 and along the Gulf Coast last year. There are indications that the Northeast will experience a hurricane larger and more powerful than anything that region has seen in a long time."

The current cycle and above-normal water temperatures are reminiscent of the pattern that eventually produced the 1938 hurricane that struck Providence, R.I. That storm killed 600 people in New England and Long Island. The 1938 hurricane was the strongest tropical system to strike the northeastern U.S. in recorded history, with maximum gusts of 186 mph, a 15- to 20-foot storm surge and 25- to 50-foot waves that left much of Providence under 10-15 feet of water. Forecasters at AccuWeather.com say that patterns are similar to those of the 1930s, 40s and 50s when storms such as the 1938 hurricane, the 1944 Great Atlantic Hurricanes and the Trio of 1954--Carol, Edna and Hazel--battered the coast from the Carolinas to New England. The worry is that it will be sooner, rather than later, for this region to be blasted again.

Additionally, AccuWeather.com believes that the upper Texas coast is likely to be the target of higher than normal hurricane and tropical storm activity over the next 10 years. "Hurricane Rita was a warning shot," says AccuWeather.com's Bastardi, referring to the 2005 Category 5 storm that threatened the Houston area and made landfall near the Texas-Louisiana border last September. "The Texas coast is in for a long period of tropical activity, particularly the region from Corpus Christi to Sabine Pass at the Louisiana border."

According to AccuWeather.com, the 2006 tropical storm season will still be more active than normal, but less active than last year, with fewer storms than 2005's record 26 named storms and 14 hurricanes.

However, the threat of a devastating storm striking the most densely populated part of the United States is of serious concern, particularly coming so soon after Hurricane Katrina, one of the deadliest weather disasters in U.S. history.

The 1938 hurricane resulted in more than $306 million in damage which, when adjusted for inflation, would total nearly $6 billion today. Because coastal areas are much more developed and populous today, a similar storm would result in substantially higher damage despite government efforts to protect U.S. citizens and property.

By comparison, insurance claims resulting from damage due to Hurricane Katrina have been estimated at $23 billion, making it the costliest storm in U.S. history. The density and value of developed property in the northeastern U.S. means that the damage from a direct hit from a major storm similar to the 1938 hurricane might conceivably rival or surpass that of Hurricane Katrina.

Because a hurricane of this magnitude has not made landfall in the northeastern U.S. in nearly 60 years, few Americans are even aware that hurricanes can and do directly impact this part of the country. Because most hurricanes in the last 50 years have been a southern U.S. phenomenon, preparedness for a major hurricane along the Northeast coast is not as thorough. But the storm that struck Providence on Sept. 21, 1938, traveled northward along the Gulf Stream and first made landfall in Westhampton, Long Island before ripping a path across the island and continuing north to Rhode Island. That storm is still regarded as the greatest weather disaster in Long Island history. It altered the Long Island coastline, created the Shinnecock Inlet, and has since been known as "the Long Island Express." Many meteorologists believe that the next time a storm like "the Long Island Express" hits the Northeast coast, it could become the greatest natural disaster in U.S. history.

Link (http://wwwa.accuweather.com/promotion.asp?dir=aw&page=nehurr)

BigBadBrian
03-21-2006, 09:04 AM
I put this in the Frontline because:

1. It will not get the exposure or meaningful discussion in other forums.

2. It IS a political issue. How prepared is FEMA to handle a major Katrina-like hurricane strike, say on Boston or Providence or even Long Island and NYC?

twonabomber
03-21-2006, 10:04 AM
wow, this week's scary armegeddon story. last week we had bird flu, next week is a giant asteroid, two weeks is killer bees.

Hardrock69
03-21-2006, 10:14 AM
Not to mention that Russia has the capability to manipulate weather.

Cathedral
03-21-2006, 10:29 AM
I avoided leaving last night because of this huge snow storm predicted for this area today that was supposed to dump 6 to 12 inches of snow on us...it's barely doing shit out there and it's already tapering off.

Weather predictions have really been missing the mark this year.
They've been trying to cover their ass since Sunday when they should have just been saying, "We just don't know what's going to happen!".

Though we do have one local meteorolgist that has been doing just that...I respect honesty and integrity.

Long live Rich Apuzzo!

FORD
03-21-2006, 10:50 AM
Originally posted by BigBadBrian
I put this in the Frontline because:

1. It will not get the exposure or meaningful discussion in other forums.

2. It IS a political issue. How prepared is FEMA to handle a major Katrina-like hurricane strike, say on Boston or Providence or even Long Island and NYC?

You left out the global warming issue. Since when do hurricanes happen in the Northeast?

We're getting the occasional tornado up here now. That never happened until just recently. Granted, they aren't the "destroy the trailer parks and send Dorothy's house to Oz" kind just yet. But still, it's a type of weather that didn't exist in this part of the country before.

As far as Chimpy and Chertoff (Russian for "of the Devil") handling a hurricane in NYC, I don't even want to imagine it.

BigBadBrian
03-21-2006, 11:20 AM
Originally posted by FORD
You left out the global warming issue. Since when do hurricanes happen in the Northeast?



Global warming? Gimme a break. There is a well documented history of hurricanes hitting the northeast:

Colonial Hurricane of 1635--Was a powerful New England hurricane that struck the Massachussetts Bay Colony in 1635 some fifteen years after the Mayflower struck land at Plymouth Rock. This storm had reminded many of the pilgrims and settlers of past hurricanes that struck in the West Indies or Caribbean. Many of the pilgrims believed that this storm was apocalyptic.


Hurricane of October, 1743--A storm that affected what would become the Northeastern United States and New England, brought gusty winds and rainy conditions as far as Philadelphia, and produced flooding in Boston. Central barometric pressure of the storm was measured to be 29.35 inches of Hg in Boston. This storm, which wasn't particularly powerful, was memorable because it garnered the interest of future patriot and one of the founders of the United States, Benjamin Franklin, who believed the storm was coming in from Boston. However, it was going to Boston. Nevertheless, it began the long educational journey, which would be our understanding of hurricanes.

Great September Gale of 1815--Was the last hurricane to strike New England before the Long Island Express of 1938. The storm struck on September 23, 1815, and brought an 11 foot storm surge to Providence, which was the highest storm surge in the Rhode Island captial prior to the Great Hurricane of 1938, which had a 17.6 foot storm surge. This storm was the first hurricane to strike New England in exactly 180 years.

Cape May Hurricane of 1821--The last major hurricane to make a direct landfall in the Garden State of New Jersey. This storm, which was a Category Four Hurricane, struck Cape May, New Jersey on September 3, 1821, and had hurricane force winds go as far west as Philadelphia while folks in New Jersey experienced wind gusts of up to 200 mph. The storm cut a path of destruction that is similar to that of the Garden State Parkway.

The Hurricane of 1846--Referred to as "The Great", used its northeast quadrant that caused havoc on the Delaware all the way up to Camden, New Jersey. This storm revealed the fact that Delaware Bay is open to southeast winds in the right quadrant, and water in the Bay would go upriver into cities such as Wilmington, Philadelphia, and Camden.

Atlantic Hurricane of 1893--Was a strong Category One Hurricane that struck New York City with 90 mph winds on August 24th of that year. Barometric pressure was only 29.23 inches of Hg, but it leved some one hundred trees in Central Park. The beach and piers on Coney Island was devastated. However, it wasn't as bad as Hog Island, a sand spit off Rockaway Beach that was wiped off the map.

The "Hurricane" of 1903--The storm was indicated to be a hurricane by many in the media at the time, but it was in fact, a tropical storm with 70 mph winds along the coast. It was the first such tropical storm or hurricane to impact the Jersey shore in one hundred years. It was also called the "Vagabond Hurricane" since it caused such a stir in media outlets such as Philadelphia and New York, which had people covering the storm for the various newspapers in those cities.

Nickdfresh
03-21-2006, 11:46 AM
But Hurricanes are pretty rare along the Northeaster corridor... I certainly can't remember one...

Is FEMA ready? They damn well better be...

Ally_Kat
03-21-2006, 01:12 PM
Originally posted by FORD
You left out the global warming issue. Since when do hurricanes happen in the Northeast?

We're getting the occasional tornado up here now. That never happened until just recently. Granted, they aren't the "destroy the trailer parks and send Dorothy's house to Oz" kind just yet. But still, it's a type of weather that didn't exist in this part of the country before.


Hurricanes do happen in the Northeast. There have been several severe hurricanes, as listed before, that have hit us. It's just that it is rare. I remember when Bob came when I was little and some others after him but they weren't as strong. The fact that we haven't had a strong category storm in a while makes it something we should be preparing for. I think it's every 15-20 years a strong one hits the NE.

As for natural disasters not existing in certain areas, you shouldn't really think along those lines. Hell, we're not a tornado-prone area, but there have been several over the course of life and even more tornado warnings. We've had seven earthquakes, although most were minor. Mother Nature can do whatever she wants whereever she wants. Just because it's not common doesn't mean it can't happen. Hell, a tornado happened in the friggen Appalachian mountains while I was there!

The Earth is always changing and we shouldn't be so quick to blame human-caused global warming. I mean, hell, Mother Nature is physically splitting Africa in two and there's nothing man did to cause that.

Ally_Kat
03-21-2006, 01:18 PM
Originally posted by Nickdfresh
But Hurricanes are pretty rare along the Northeaster corridor... I certainly can't remember one...


At 35 you can't remember one? I can remember several. Mass, Connecticut, and NY are the three states along the NorthEast corridor that get slammed by hurricanes when they come up here.

diamondD
03-21-2006, 01:31 PM
There was one off the coast last Sept when I was in NYC. Forget the name at the moment, but it dumped about 8 inches of rain in NJ one day. It had obviously done more damage farther south, but they still get there.

Nickdfresh
03-21-2006, 01:50 PM
Originally posted by Ally_Kat
Hurricanes do happen in the Northeast. There have been several severe hurricanes, as listed before, that have hit us. It's just that it is rare. I remember when Bob came when I was little and some others after him but they weren't as strong. The fact that we haven't had a strong category storm in a while makes it something we should be preparing for. I think it's every 15-20 years a strong one hits the NE.

As for natural disasters not existing in certain areas, you shouldn't really think along those lines. Hell, we're not a tornado-prone area, but there have been several over the course of life and even more tornado warnings. We've had seven earthquakes, although most were minor. Mother Nature can do whatever she wants whereever she wants. Just because it's not common doesn't mean it can't happen. Hell, a tornado happened in the friggen Appalachian mountains while I was there!

The Earth is always changing and we shouldn't be so quick to blame human-caused global warming. I mean, hell, Mother Nature is physically splitting Africa in two and there's nothing man did to cause that.

Listen young whipper-snapper!:mad:

Actually, I was considering those to be the after effects of a hurricane, or storms that never quite reached hurricane force winds...

Yes, the Northeast gets "Noreasters," very rarely to winds sustain hurricane category force. In fact, PA Buffalo, NY, and Southern ONT get after effects of heavy rains, but I've never heard of a Hurricane making landfall in New York, New England or New Jersey...

I suppose "The Perfect Storm" could have been a disaster had it made landfall though...

Ally_Kat
03-21-2006, 01:57 PM
Originally posted by Nickdfresh
Listen young whipper-snapper!:mad:

Actually, I was considering those to be the after effects of a hurricane, or storms that never quite reached hurricane force winds...

Yes, the Northeast gets "Noreasters," very rarely to winds sustain hurricane category force. In fact, PA Buffalo, NY, and Southern ONT get after effects of heavy rains, but I've never heard of a Hurricane making landfall in New York, New England or New Jersey...

I suppose "The Perfect Storm" could have been a disaster had it made landfall though...

I didn't count anything that wasn't hurricane strength. We have gotten actual hurricanes. True, most fall in the Cat 1-3 area, but we have gotten Cat 4 and 5, too. We haven't gotten a Cat 4-5 in a little over 15 years, when I was 7. I remember it clearly. It was a huge deal. The cycle is very 15-20 years and that cycle will hit.

Hell, didn't Boston get a hurricane last season?

FORD
03-21-2006, 02:16 PM
Point is that you don't have hurricanes without warm oceans. The Carribean in the summer is one of the warmest bodies of water on earth, which is why hurricanes are born there every summer, and hit Florida, sometimes the Gulf Coast, and fizzle out somewhere up the East Coast.

But as anyone will have to acknowledge, last season was one of the worst ever.

Why?

Because the water was warmer than usual. And it got warm enough to produce hurricanes sooner than usual.

Water warm enough to feed a hurricane isn't normal off the east coast of the United States.

And on the West Coast, we had an incident a few years back where a Marlin was caught off the Washington coast. Marlins are warm water fish that you would be more likely to find off the coast of Mexico.

Clearly things are NOT normal. The fucking ice caps are melting, for fucks sake.

When Manhattan looks like New Orleans, do you think the corporatists will finally take notice?

Ally_Kat
03-21-2006, 02:36 PM
Originally posted by FORD

Point is that you don't have hurricanes without warm oceans. The Carribean in the summer is one of the warmest bodies of water on earth, which is why hurricanes are born there every summer, and hit Florida, sometimes the Gulf Coast, and fizzle out somewhere up the East Coast.

But as anyone will have to acknowledge, last season was one of the worst ever.

Why?

Because the water was warmer than usual. And it got warm enough to produce hurricanes sooner than usual.

Water warm enough to feed a hurricane isn't normal off the east coast of the United States.

And on the West Coast, we had an incident a few years back where a Marlin was caught off the Washington coast. Marlins are warm water fish that you would be more likely to find off the coast of Mexico.

Clearly things are NOT normal. The fucking ice caps are melting, for fucks sake.

When Manhattan looks like New Orleans, do you think the corporatists will finally take notice?



One of the worst since the 1941-1950 hurricane season, yes. But there's something you need to realize with hurricanes, there's cycles of high hurricane frequency followed be a cycle of low-key seasons. We're coming out of a long time of low-key seasons and slammed into a high-frequency season. Countless hurricane specialists have said it's not global warming. Why does their view not count?

I know a lot of people talking about the Gulf Stream weaking and all that, but who's to say that the conditions we've known since we've obsevered and recorded data are "normal". Humans have only been here for a tiny speck of Earth's history. The Gulf Stream has only been here for a ting speck of Earth's history.

What is "normal" for Earth? She's been thru so many land configurations. She's been thru so many climate changes. Antartica used to be a rain forest. Was that abnormal? Is it abnormal now with ice? Why is it that. because we've known it as that. that's normal?

Nitro Express
03-21-2006, 05:37 PM
One good thing about NYC getting pummeled by huge storms and then flooding due to global warming. We no longer will have to watch that ugly Donald Trump pimping himself on every TV show. I'm so tired of hearing about the Apprentace and yes, Trump your daughter is cute. Can I fuck her?

Warham
03-21-2006, 06:01 PM
What's happening to the world is normal. It's not global warming.

When the next ice age comes around in a few thousand years, what are the scientists going to say then?

Cathedral
03-21-2006, 06:17 PM
Originally posted by Warham
What's happening to the world is normal. It's not global warming.

When the next ice age comes around in a few thousand years, what are the scientists going to say then?

They'll say, "Brrrrrrrrrrrrrrr, damn it's cold as shit!"

Well, since my company has a contract with FEMA i'll be hauling trailers wherever they need them.
I want that run because it pays almost double what the RV's pay.

I'd like to get my own contract doing federal emergency relief so i can cut out the middle man shaving his piece of the pie off the top for doing nothing.

I could afford 6 months a year vacation if i could do nothing but FEMA runs every week.