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  • LoungeMachine
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    • Jul 2004
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    US Military Investigating Iraqi Civilian Killings

    from The Independent & The Independent on Sunday




    US troops investigated over Iraqi massacres
    By Patrick Cockburn in Arbil

    Published: 22 March 2006

    The US military is investigating two incidents in which American soldiers killed at least 26 Iraqi civilians and then claimed that they were either guerrillas or had died in cross fire.

    The growing evidence of retaliatory killings of unarmed Iraqi families, often including children, by US soldiers seemingly bent on punishing Iraqis after an attack, will spark comparisons with the massacre of Vietnamese villagers at My Lai in 1968.

    US troops have been notorious among Iraqis for their willingness to shoot any Iraqi they see in the aftermath of an insurgent attack. But it is only now that convincing and detailed information is becoming available about the killings.

    In the most recent incident, in the town of Ishaqi north of Baghdad last week, Iraqi police said that US troops had shot 11 people, including five children, in their home. The local police chief, Colonel Farouq Hussein, said that all the dead had been shot in the head, according to autopsies. "It's a clear and perfect crime," he said. In an incident in the town of Haditha in western Iraq on 19 November last year, US soldiers went on a rampage in a village after a bomb attack and killed at least 15 civilians, according to witnesses and local officials cited by Time magazine in an investigation.

    The US military first claimed a roadside bomb had killed a US Marine, Miguel Tarrazas, along with 15 Iraqi civilians caught in the blast. Later, a military statement said "gunmen attacked the convoy with small-arms fire" and in returning fire the Marines killed eight insurgents.

    But after Time presented the US military with what Iraqis said had happened, an official investigation found that 15 of the civilians had been deliberately killed by US soldiers.

    The bomb attack on the US Humvee took place at 7.15am. Eman Waleed, a nine-year-old child, lived in a house 150 yards from the explosion. "We heard a big noise that woke us all up," she recalled later. "Then we did what we always do when there's an explosion: my father goes in to his room with the Koran and prays the family will be spared harm."

    The Marines claim they heard shots coming from the direction of Waleed's house. They burst in to the house and Eman heard shots from her father's room. They then entered the living room, where the rest of the family was gathered. She said: "I couldn't see their faces very well - only their guns sticking in to the doorway. I watched them shoot my grandfather, first in the chest and then in the head. Then they killed my granny."

    The US soldiers started shooting in to the corner of the room where Eman and her eight-year-old brother, Abdul Rahman, were cowering. The other adults in the room tried to protect the two children with their bodies and were all shot dead. Eman and her brother were both wounded.

    "We were lying there, bleeding and it hurt so much. Afterwards some Iraqi soldiers came. They carried us in their arms. I was crying, shouting, 'why did you do this to our family?' And one Iraqi soldier tells me, 'we didn't do it. The Americans did it'."

    The Marines' explanation is that they heard the sound of a Kalashnikov being readied to shoot and had then fired their weapons. The Marines say they were fired at from a second house, where they broke down a door, threw in a grenade and opened fire. The eight who died in the second house included the owner, his wife, the owner's sister, a two-year-old son and three young daughters.

    In a third house the Marines searched four young men were shot dead. A military investigation decided these were insurgent fighters, along with four others killed in the street.

    The Marines later delivered 24 bodies to a hospital in Haditha, claiming they had been killed by shrapnel from a bomb. Dr Wahid, the director of the hospital, said: "It was obvious to us there were no organs slashed by shrapnel. The bullet wounds were very apparent. Most of the victims were shot in the head and chest - from close range."

    An US military investigation decided the deaths were "collateral damage". Relatives were paid $2,500 (£1,400) for each of the dead.

    The US military is investigating two incidents in which American soldiers killed at least 26 Iraqi civilians and then claimed that they were either guerrillas or had died in cross fire.

    The growing evidence of retaliatory killings of unarmed Iraqi families, often including children, by US soldiers seemingly bent on punishing Iraqis after an attack, will spark comparisons with the massacre of Vietnamese villagers at My Lai in 1968.

    US troops have been notorious among Iraqis for their willingness to shoot any Iraqi they see in the aftermath of an insurgent attack. But it is only now that convincing and detailed information is becoming available about the killings.

    In the most recent incident, in the town of Ishaqi north of Baghdad last week, Iraqi police said that US troops had shot 11 people, including five children, in their home. The local police chief, Colonel Farouq Hussein, said that all the dead had been shot in the head, according to autopsies. "It's a clear and perfect crime," he said. In an incident in the town of Haditha in western Iraq on 19 November last year, US soldiers went on a rampage in a village after a bomb attack and killed at least 15 civilians, according to witnesses and local officials cited by Time magazine in an investigation.

    The US military first claimed a roadside bomb had killed a US Marine, Miguel Tarrazas, along with 15 Iraqi civilians caught in the blast. Later, a military statement said "gunmen attacked the convoy with small-arms fire" and in returning fire the Marines killed eight insurgents.

    But after Time presented the US military with what Iraqis said had happened, an official investigation found that 15 of the civilians had been deliberately killed by US soldiers.

    The bomb attack on the US Humvee took place at 7.15am. Eman Waleed, a nine-year-old child, lived in a house 150 yards from the explosion. "We heard a big noise that woke us all up," she recalled later. "Then we did what we always do when there's an explosion: my father goes in to his room with the Koran and prays the family will be spared harm."
    The Marines claim they heard shots coming from the direction of Waleed's house. They burst in to the house and Eman heard shots from her father's room. They then entered the living room, where the rest of the family was gathered. She said: "I couldn't see their faces very well - only their guns sticking in to the doorway. I watched them shoot my grandfather, first in the chest and then in the head. Then they killed my granny."

    The US soldiers started shooting in to the corner of the room where Eman and her eight-year-old brother, Abdul Rahman, were cowering. The other adults in the room tried to protect the two children with their bodies and were all shot dead. Eman and her brother were both wounded.

    "We were lying there, bleeding and it hurt so much. Afterwards some Iraqi soldiers came. They carried us in their arms. I was crying, shouting, 'why did you do this to our family?' And one Iraqi soldier tells me, 'we didn't do it. The Americans did it'."

    The Marines' explanation is that they heard the sound of a Kalashnikov being readied to shoot and had then fired their weapons. The Marines say they were fired at from a second house, where they broke down a door, threw in a grenade and opened fire. The eight who died in the second house included the owner, his wife, the owner's sister, a two-year-old son and three young daughters.

    In a third house the Marines searched four young men were shot dead. A military investigation decided these were insurgent fighters, along with four others killed in the street.

    The Marines later delivered 24 bodies to a hospital in Haditha, claiming they had been killed by shrapnel from a bomb. Dr Wahid, the director of the hospital, said: "It was obvious to us there were no organs slashed by shrapnel. The bullet wounds were very apparent. Most of the victims were shot in the head and chest - from close range."

    An US military investigation decided the deaths were "collateral damage". Relatives were paid $2,500 (£1,400) for each of the dead.
    Originally posted by Kristy
    Dude, what in the fuck is wrong with you? I'm full of hate and I do drugs.
    Originally posted by cadaverdog
    I posted under aliases and I jerk off with a sock. Anything else to add?
  • Seshmeister
    ROTH ARMY WEBMASTER

    • Oct 2003
    • 35192

    #2
    Sounds like the US troops are taking Cat's Christian approach after all...

    This kind of thing is why the US is one of the only countries who never signed up to the International Criminal Court...

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    • LoungeMachine
      DIAMOND STATUS
      • Jul 2004
      • 32576

      #3
      Originally posted by Seshmeister
      Sounds like the US troops are taking Cat's Christian approach after all...

      Hang on, this could gey ugly........



      Count to 10 Cathedra.
      Originally posted by Kristy
      Dude, what in the fuck is wrong with you? I'm full of hate and I do drugs.
      Originally posted by cadaverdog
      I posted under aliases and I jerk off with a sock. Anything else to add?

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      • Nickdfresh
        SUPER MODERATOR

        • Oct 2004
        • 49205

        #4
        Dupe!



        U.S. probes charge troops killed Iraqi family
        Tue Mar 21, 2006 12:56 PM GMT

        By Alastair Macdonald

        BAGHDAD (Reuters) - The U.S. military said on Tuesday it was investigating Iraqi police allegations that its soldiers shot dead a family of 11 in their home last week.

        Soldiers said they killed four people, including a militant.

        The probe comes a day after a magazine published allegations that U.S. Marines killed 15 civilians in another town last year. A criminal inquiry into those deaths was launched last week.

        Time magazine ran accounts by townspeople saying troops went on a rampage after a Marine was killed by a roadside bomb in Haditha, west of Baghdad, in November. The witnesses rejected an original U.S. account that the 15 also died in the bomb blast.

        "I watched them shoot my grandfather, first in the chest and then in the head," one child said. "Then they killed my granny."

        In one of their biggest attacks on Iraqi forces, insurgents stormed the police headquarters and another official building in the town of Miqdadiya, 80 km (50 miles) northeast of Baghdad, on Tuesday, killing at least 22 people, mostly policemen.

        Ten suspected Sunni Arab insurgents were also killed, but the attackers freed 33 prisoners, an Interior Ministry source said, adding that 15 police and nine civilians had been killed.

        A police source put the death toll at 18 police, four civilians and one gunman.

        The governor of Diyala province, which has a volatile ethnic and sectarian mix and has seen many al Qaeda attacks in recent months, had the police chief and other officers arrested.

        He suspected them of complicity in the dawn raid, which police said involved about 100 fighters and lasted an hour.

        Forces scrambling to the aid of the besieged units were also targeted. Two policemen were killed when a roadside bomb blasted their patrol as it raced from nearby Baquba. In a separate bombing in that city, two other policemen were killed.

        PILGRIMS

        The violence came as Shi'ite pilgrims, estimated by local officials to number over two million, concluded the rites of Arbain in the holy city of Kerbala and began to head for home.

        The two-day mourning ceremony passed off with little incident, guarded by thousands of Iraqi police and troops.

        With Iraq teetering on the brink of all-out sectarian civil war after the bombing of a Shi'ite shrine in Samarra a month ago, U.S. and Iraqi forces have been on high alert.

        Holidays for Arbain and the Kurdish spring festival of Nowruz have held up negotiations on a national unity government that Iraqi and U.S. leaders say is vital to defuse the crisis.

        Marking the third anniversary on Monday of the invasion of Iraq on March 20, 2003, President George W. Bush vowed not to abandon Iraq and tried to counter fears among Americans and Iraqis that the communal violence was spiralling into civil war.

        "In the face of continued reports about killings and reprisals, I understand how some Americans have had their confidence shaken," he said.

        The chaos in Iraq is a major factor in Bush's plunging poll ratings, the lowest of his presidency.

        "Three years ago, we did not expect things to get this bad," former Iraqi prime minister Iyad Allawi told Reuters on Tuesday, saying a strong national unity government was imperative.

        Allawi, seen in Washington as a tough, pro-U.S., secular figure, is widely tipped to take on a powerful new role as head of a Security Council that will oversee all major issues.

        Political sources say agreement on the council could provide a way around the deadlock on forming the cabinet itself.

        INVESTIGATIONS

        The U.S. military said on Tuesday it was investigating the discrepancies between police and U.S. army accounts of an incident in the town of Ishaqi, north of Baghdad, on Wednesday.

        Police accused U.S. troops of shooting dead 11 people, including five children, while the military said only four people were killed in all. "Because of that discrepancy, we have opened an investigation," said Lieutenant Colonel Barry Johnson, a senior U.S. spokesman in Baghdad.

        Local police Colonel Farouq Hussein said autopsies had found that all the victims were shot in the head. "It's a clear and perfect crime without any doubt," he added.

        Accusations that U.S. soldiers often kill civilians and that little disciplinary action has resulted in the few cases investigated have fuelled Iraqi anger since the invasion.

        Like Ishaqi, near Samarra, Haditha in western Anbar province is in an area that has seen much Sunni Arab insurgent activity.

        U.S. military officials confirmed that an account from U.S. Marines in November of 15 civilians being killed by a roadside bomb in Haditha was wrong and that the civilians were shot.

        Time magazine said this week that video of the corpses it provided to the military in January had prompted the revision.

        (Additional reporting by Michael Georgy, Mariam Karouny, Aseel Kami and Ross Colvin in Baghdad and Sami al-Jumaili in Kerbala)

        � Reuters 2006. All rights reserved. Republication or redistribution of Reuters content, including by caching, framing or similar means, is expressly prohibited without the prior written consent of Reuters. Reuters and the Reuters sphere logo are registered trademarks and trademarks of the Reuters group of companies around the world.
        Last edited by Nickdfresh; 03-22-2006, 08:11 AM.

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        • Warham
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          • Mar 2004
          • 14589

          #5
          Originally posted by Seshmeister
          Sounds like the US troops are taking Cat's Christian approach after all...

          This kind of thing is why the US is one of the only countries who never signed up to the International Criminal Court...
          The International Criminal Court is a joke.

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          • Nickdfresh
            SUPER MODERATOR

            • Oct 2004
            • 49205

            #6
            Care to elaborate why?

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            • BigBadBrian
              TOASTMASTER GENERAL
              • Jan 2004
              • 10625

              #7
              Originally posted by Nickdfresh
              Care to elaborate why?
              US troops or personnel SHOULD NEVER be subjected to trial by any other than AMERICAN courts. The ICC was set-up originally to hold trials for those countries that were unable to prosecute people. We don't fit that bill. We also don't need countries wanting to put our people on trial in some Kangaroo Court just because they don't like our President or foreign policy.
              “If bullshit was currency, Joe Biden would be a billionaire.” - George W. Bush

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              • Warham
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                • Mar 2004
                • 14589

                #8
                Brian made the point for me.

                Not only that, Milosevic was able to die a natural death before the ICC could even get anywhere with his trial. He should have been strung up within a year or two at THE LONGEST. They charged with too many things, which allowed the lawyers to delay proceedings even longer while they sifted through all the evidence and briefs. Now there's no justice, despite a stiff laying in a jail cell.
                Last edited by Warham; 03-22-2006, 10:20 AM.

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                • Nickdfresh
                  SUPER MODERATOR

                  • Oct 2004
                  • 49205

                  #9
                  Originally posted by BigBadBrian
                  US troops or personnel SHOULD NEVER be subjected to trial by any other than AMERICAN courts. The ICC was set-up originally to hold trials for those countries that were unable to prosecute people. We don't fit that bill. We also don't need countries wanting to put our people on trial in some Kangaroo Court just because they don't like our President or foreign policy.
                  Or because we're hypocrites that believe we should be able to lawlessly project our military power with no check on it whatsoever...

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                  • Warham
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                    • Mar 2004
                    • 14589

                    #10
                    Who's going to make checks on it? The UN? Yeah, let's put Kofi in charge of checking our power, since he's so adept in his position at the UN.

                    Lawlessly...good grief.

                    The check you refer to is called an 'election'. They happen here every two years for Congressmen, four for Presidents, and six for Senators.

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                    • Nickdfresh
                      SUPER MODERATOR

                      • Oct 2004
                      • 49205

                      #11
                      Funny, but you guys seem to use UN resolutions as justification for the Iraqi Occupation, or Iranian/N. Korean nukes...

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                      • Warham
                        DIAMOND STATUS
                        • Mar 2004
                        • 14589

                        #12
                        Hey, I have to ask, did Clinton have international approval from the UN when he killed that janitor back in '98? Who checked his power?

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                        • Nickdfresh
                          SUPER MODERATOR

                          • Oct 2004
                          • 49205

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Warham
                          Hey, I have to ask, did Clinton have international approval from the UN when he killed that janitor back in '98? Who checked his power?
                          He killed a janitor? Is this another mindless conspiracy theory of yours?

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                          • LoungeMachine
                            DIAMOND STATUS
                            • Jul 2004
                            • 32576

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Nickdfresh
                            Funny, but you guys seem to use UN resolutions as justification for the Iraqi Occupation, or Iranian/N. Korean nukes...

                            When the UN fits their agenda, then it's okay.

                            Whatsammata with you Nick?


                            1 dead janitor, 1 blow job, 1 ruined dress


                            100,000 dead Iraqis, 3,000 dead US Military, countless scarred for life.


                            You do the math
                            Originally posted by Kristy
                            Dude, what in the fuck is wrong with you? I'm full of hate and I do drugs.
                            Originally posted by cadaverdog
                            I posted under aliases and I jerk off with a sock. Anything else to add?

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                            • Seshmeister
                              ROTH ARMY WEBMASTER

                              • Oct 2003
                              • 35192

                              #15
                              Originally posted by BigBadBrian
                              US troops or personnel SHOULD NEVER be subjected to trial by any other than AMERICAN courts. The ICC was set-up originally to hold trials for those countries that were unable to prosecute people. We don't fit that bill. We also don't need countries wanting to put our people on trial in some Kangaroo Court just because they don't like our President or foreign policy.

                              LMAO!

                              The Criminal Empire indeed.

                              The only people outside International Law are the US, Iraq, China, North Korea and Burma. Notice a pattern there? The Axis of Human rights abuses?

                              You should be ashamed.

                              No trial huh? The court is there for when there is no domestic trial.

                              Like when your government STOLE $20 billion from Iraq which was meant to be used for the rebuilding of her infrastructure and security.

                              So you thinking the government are protecting the grunt in the field is bullshit. What they are actually doing is putting them at risk with no redress from say a dead soldiers family left with nothing.

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