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  • Big Train
    Full Member Status

    • Apr 2004
    • 4011

    Immigration Protests

    This is gonna get ugly before too long...

    The rally, part of a massive mobilization of immigrants and their supporters, may be the largest L.A. has seen.


    500,000 Pack Streets to Protest Immigration Bills




    The rally, part of a massive mobilization of immigrants and their supporters, may be the largest L.A. has seen.
    By Teresa Watanabe and Hector Becerra
    Times Staff Writers

    March 26, 2006

    A crowd estimated by police at more than 500,000 boisterously marched in Los Angeles on Saturday to protest federal legislation that would crack down on undocumented immigrants, penalize those who help them and build a security wall along the U.S.' southern border.

    Spirited but peaceful marchers — ordinary immigrants alongside labor, religious and civil rights groups — stretched more than 20 blocks along Spring Street, Broadway and Main Street to City Hall, tooting kazoos, waving American flags and chanting, "Sí se puede!" (Yes we can!).

    Attendance at the demonstration far surpassed the number of people who protested against the Vietnam War and Proposition 187, a 1994 state initiative that sought to deny public benefits to undocumented migrants but was struck down by the courts. Police said there were no arrests or injuries except for a few cases of exhaustion.

    At a time when Congress prepares to crack down further on illegal immigration and self-appointed militias patrol the U.S. border to stem the flow, Saturday's rally represented a massive response, part of what immigration advocates are calling an unprecedented effort to mobilize immigrants and their supporters nationwide.

    It coincides with an initiative on the part of the Roman Catholic Church, spearheaded by Cardinal Roger M. Mahony, archbishop of Los Angeles, to defy a House bill that would make aiding undocumented immigrants a felony. And it signals the burgeoning political clout of Latinos, especially in California.

    "There has never been this kind of mobilization in the immigrant community ever," said Joshua Hoyt, executive director of the Illinois Coalition for Immigrant and Refugee Rights. "They have kicked the sleeping giant. It's the beginning of a massive immigrant civil rights struggle."

    The demonstrators, many wearing white shirts to symbolize peace, included both longtime residents and the newly arrived, bound by a desire for a better life.

    Arbelica Lazo, 40, illegally emigrated from El Salvador two decades ago but said she now owns two businesses and pays $7,000 in income taxes each year.

    Jose Alberto Salvador, 33, came here illegally four months ago to find work to support the wife and five children he left behind. In his native Guatemala, he said, what little work he could find paid $10 a day.

    "As much as we need this country, we love this country," Salvador said, waving both the American and Guatemalan flags. "This country gives us opportunities we don't get at home."

    On Monday, the U.S. Senate Judiciary Committee is scheduled to resume work on a comprehensive immigration reform proposal. The Senate committee's version includes elements of various bills, including a guest worker program and a path to legalization for the nation's 10 million to 12 million undocumented immigrants proposed by Sens. John McCain (R-Ariz.) and Edward M. Kennedy (D-Mass.)

    In addition, Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist (R-Tenn.) has introduced a bill that would strengthen border security, crack down on employers of illegal immigrants and increase the number of visas for workers. Frist has said he would take his bill to the floor Tuesday if the committee does not finish its work Monday.

    Ultimately, the House and Senate bills must be reconciled before a law can be passed.

    President Bush has advocated a guest worker program and attracted significant Latino support for his views.

    In his Saturday radio address, Bush urged all sides of the emotional debate to tone down their rhetoric, calling for a balanced approach between more secure borders and more temporary foreign workers.

    Largely in response to the debate in Washington, hundreds of thousands of people in recent weeks have staged marches in more than a dozen cities calling for immigration reform.

    In Denver, police said Saturday that more than 50,000 people gathered downtown at Civic Center Park next to the Capitol to urge the state Senate to reject a resolution supporting a ballot issue that would deny many government services to illegal immigrants in Colorado.

    Hundreds rallied in Reno, the Associated Press reported.

    On Friday, tens of thousands of people were estimated to have staged school walkouts, marches and work stoppages in Los Angeles, Phoenix, Atlanta and other cities.

    In addition, several cities, including Los Angeles, have passed resolutions opposing the House legislation. At least one city, Maywood, declared itself a "sanctuary" for undocumented immigrants.

    Despite the significant opposition to the crackdown on illegal immigrants shown by the turnout in recent rallies, a recent Zogby poll found 62% of Americans surveyed wanted more restrictive immigration policies, and a Field Poll last month found that the majority of California voters surveyed believed illegal immigration was hurting the state.

    "Polling has consistently shown that Americans don't want guest workers or amnesty," said Caroline Espinosa, spokeswoman for NumbersUSA, a Washington-based immigration control group that says its e-mail list of 1 million and 140,000-member roster of activists have more than doubled in the last year.

    Espinosa said current levels of both legal and illegal immigration would push the U.S. population to 420 million by 2050, "leading to a tremendously negative impact on the quality of life in the United States."

    According to a U.S. Census Bureau survey a year ago, the nation's 35.2 million immigrants — legal and illegal — represent a record number. California led the country with nearly 10 million, constituting 28% of the state's population overall and one-third of its work force.

    The swelling number of immigrants has clearly influenced the political calculus of those involved in the issue, including political and religious groups. The Republican Party, for instance, is split among those who want tougher restrictions, those who fear alienating the Latino vote and business owners who are pressing for more laborers — mostly Latin Americans — to fill blue-collar jobs in construction, cleaning, gardening and other industries.

    Some Republicans fear that pushing too hard against illegal immigrants could backfire nationally, as with Proposition 187. Strong Republican support of that measure helped spur record numbers of California Latinos to become U.S. citizens and register to vote. Those voters subsequently helped the Democrats regain political control in the state.

    "There is no doubt Proposition 187 had a devastating impact on the [California] Republican Party," said Allan Hoffenblum, a Republican political consultant. "Now the Republicans in Congress better beware: If they come across as too shrill, with a racist tone, all of a sudden you're going to see Republicans in cities with a high Latino population start losing their seats."

    The effects of the nation's growing Latino presence also are evident in religious communities. This week, for instance, the president of the 30-million-member National Assn. of Evangelicals is scheduled to issue a statement supporting immigration reform, including a guest worker program. It will be in concert with the National Hispanic Christian Leadership Conference, said the Rev. Samuel Rodriguez, conference president.

    Rodriguez, whose Sacramento-based group serves the nation's 18 million evangelical Christian Latinos, said it took "a lot of persuasion" to broker the joint statement with Ted Haggard, president of the evangelicals group. Rodriguez said he warned the group that failure to support comprehensive immigration reform would have long-term political repercussions.

    Latino evangelical Christians voted for Bush at a 40% higher rate than Latinos overall, he said, but they would probably turn away from conservative candidates and causes without support on immigration.

    "I had to do a lot of asking: Will Hispanics ever vote for conservative candidates again, or partner with white evangelicals if they were silent while our brothers and sisters and cousins were being sent out of the county on buses?" Rodriguez said.

    Churches were just one force behind Saturday's rally.

    Several immigrant advocates said that the ethnic media were a significant factor in drawing crowds. News outlets repeatedly publicized it and even exhorted marchers to wear white shirts. Churches announced the rally too. Although a police spokeswoman estimated the crowd at 500,000 based on helicopter surveillance, rally organizers said it was closer to 1 million.

    Los Angeles Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa briefly addressed the rally.

    "We cannot criminalize people who are working, people who are contributing to our economy and contributing to the nation," Villaraigosa said.

    In contrast to demonstrations 12 years ago against Proposition 187, Saturday's rally featured more American flags than those from any other country. Flag vendors were soon overwhelmed by demonstrators holding out dollar bills.

    Father Michael Kennedy, a longtime immigrant advocate and pastor of Dolores Mission Church in Boyle Heights, said that past demonstrations were more heavily Mexican or Mexican American, but the House bill had rallied protesters across religious, national and ethnic lines.

    One was Korean immigrant Dae Joong Yoon, executive director of the Korean Resource Center in Los Angeles. Yoon said the Korean community was more inflamed over the House bill than Proposition 187 because it would penalize not only undocumented immigrants but also businesses that hired them and anyone who helped them.

    He said the Korean-language media has intensified coverage of the House bill in recent weeks.

    "The Korean community is shocked and outraged over this inhumane legislation," Yoon said. "Everybody would be affected by it."
  • ODShowtime
    ROCKSTAR

    • Jun 2004
    • 5812

    #2
    Looks like some house guests have overstayed their welcome.
    Pretty much fuck all of these people. Luckily they can't vote.
    gnaw on it

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    • Big Train
      Full Member Status

      • Apr 2004
      • 4011

      #3
      Those who sympathize or are legal to vote (i.e. Their children) can and will vote against this. It is not an insignificant amount of people.

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      • ODShowtime
        ROCKSTAR

        • Jun 2004
        • 5812

        #4
        And that's fine.

        I personnaly enjoy seeing the gov't finally crack down on a harmful section of society other than mine.

        You're right about how the Mexican Gov't needs economic reforms and all that shit, but with all these cabrones up here fucking around and not voting down there, what's the point?

        I say Git!
        gnaw on it

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        • Big Train
          Full Member Status

          • Apr 2004
          • 4011

          #5
          I;m all for some of these measures and think some of these are not going to help.

          I think the fence is a waste. I think making citizenship automatic should be revoked unless the person having the child is a citizen. Close that loophole and you will have half the asian community in LA that you have now.

          I think don't think they are necessarily harmful to our society (speaking locally), but they do tax the system quite a bit. It's bullshit to me that a guy can have two businesses, be taxed and NOT be a citizen. I think the process should be fair and accomadating, but they should be citizens first before we take their money and make them feel at home. These people are pissed about the false pretenses America gives them. Here are the laws and here is the way it is. Keep quiet and it will be cool. We are now proposing changing the backdoor deal. Which is overdue and is why these people are pissed. Logic and reason is against, but it is the deal America cut with them.

          It needs to be sorted out. Neither side is absolutely wrong or right. We just have to be absolutely clear on what the New Deal is.

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          • Cathedral
            ROTH ARMY ELITE
            • Jan 2004
            • 6620

            #6
            Immigration is good, if it is done legally.
            Allowing an illegal to stay in this country is unfair to those who did it by the book.
            I have no problem if they can assimilate into the country by paying taxes and learning to communicate.

            This idea where some businesses require people to take a Spanish course is bullshit....they need an English course or they need to go back home.

            It's a problem here in Ohio, and it's a multi-million dollar stress on local communities funds every year.

            If Bush wants to let them stay then he needs to start reimbursing the communities that can't afford to tow that line, period.

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            • BigBadBrian
              TOASTMASTER GENERAL
              • Jan 2004
              • 10620

              #7
              Originally posted by ODShowtime
              Looks like some house guests have overstayed their welcome.
              Pretty much fuck all of these people. Luckily they can't vote.
              No shit.

              “If bullshit was currency, Joe Biden would be a billionaire.” - George W. Bush

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              • sisca
                Groupie
                • Feb 2006
                • 60

                #8
                send the fuckin border jumpers home. all they do is strain our economy and litter our society by having so many fucking unwanted children.

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                • ULTRAMAN VH
                  Commando
                  • May 2004
                  • 1480

                  #9
                  Well where do I start.
                  1. Illegals are draining our health care system.
                  2. Illegal aliens are not paying taxes.
                  3. Illegal aliens are forming huge gangs in the form of MS 13.
                  4. Illegal aliens want U.S. citizens to fit the bill for their childrens education.
                  5.Illegal aliens send the money they make here, tax free back to their families in Mexico.
                  6. Illegal aliens are committing crimes here in the U.S. and then sneak back over the border to avoid prosecution.
                  7. Your tax payer's money is picking up the tab for their housing.
                  8. Illegal aliens do not respect our laws and do not feel the need to learn the english language, they feel we should be learnig spanish to communicate with them.
                  9. Certain banking establishments are now offering loans for Illegals to buy homes.
                  I can go on and on and on. We can thank our fat cat politicians for this huge problem. You see the Elites don't care if a family of 30 illegal's move into the 2 bedroom, one bath rancher next store to you. They don't care if your new neighbors can't speak a word of english and start raising chickens in their back yard. I believe in LEGAL IMMIGRATION, but the illegals are going to run this country into the ground. You see Vincente Fox loves nothing more than to dump his problems onto American soil, so his corrupt Government doe's not have to deal with it. And now 500,000 of them are protesting in the streets basically thumbing their nose to American law and saying fuck you America we will do what we want when we want.

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                  • Cathedral
                    ROTH ARMY ELITE
                    • Jan 2004
                    • 6620

                    #10
                    Bush allowes it because the illegals are the one's keeping the unemployment numbers leveled.
                    And the number of jobs created pay shit wages and the illegals are the one's getting them.

                    It's a fucking smokescreen that makes Bush look better than he is on jobs.
                    Though i did see on tv the other day that there was a slight spike in manufacturing in the last quarter...I've yet to see anything in writing on that though.

                    Employers need to be fined heavily for hiring them. if you eliminate the opportunity for them to get hired you have effectively knocked a serious dent in the entire issue.

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                    • jcook11
                      Commando
                      • Sep 2004
                      • 1281

                      #11
                      I just got back from running some erands in Anaheim Ca. and there was about 200 high school kids who had a block of Brookhurst St. blocked off waving Mexican flags and yelling Viva Mexico....If its'so fucking great in Mexico go the fuck back! Needless to say I flipped them the bird and yelled FUCK OFF!

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                      • Phil theStalker
                        Full Member Status

                        • Jan 2004
                        • 3804

                        #12
                        It's NWO approved!

                        How do I know it's NWO approved?

                        WHERE ARE ALL THE COPS?

                        Where are all of the cops in city after city?

                        Where are all of the cops and SWAT teams, and our favorite HOMELAND SUCKURITY?! huh

                        Where were/are they? huh

                        NWO APPROVED!

                        That's all I've got t2o say aboot tit...thea end aff America...civil war coming shortly...


                        Add to Ignore list

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                        • Phil theStalker
                          Full Member Status

                          • Jan 2004
                          • 3804

                          #13
                          Originally posted by jcook11
                          I just got back from running some erands in Anaheim Ca. and there was about 200 high school kids who had a block of Brookhurst St. blocked off waving Mexican flags and yelling Viva Mexico....If its'so fucking great in Mexico go the fuck back! Needless to say I flipped them the bird and yelled FUCK OFF!
                          WHERE ARE THE COPS?

                          They'd have yoo and mme, and hundreds more, in jail f4or a hate crime by now, and protesting without a permit.

                          NWO approved!

                          Where are all the COPS?!


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                          • jhale667
                            DIAMOND STATUS
                            • Aug 2004
                            • 20929

                            #14
                            Saw this on the news yesterday and got the dry heaves. FUCK illegals. They suck out loud.
                            Originally posted by conmee
                            If anyone even thinks about deleting the Muff Thread they are banned.... no questions asked.

                            That is all.

                            Icon.
                            Originally posted by GO-SPURS-GO
                            I've seen prominent hypocrite liberal on this site Jhale667


                            Originally posted by Isaac R.
                            Then it's really true??:eek:

                            The Muff Thread is really just GONE ???

                            OMFG...who in their right mind...???
                            Originally posted by eddie78
                            I was wrong about you, brother. You're good.

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                            • jcook11
                              Commando
                              • Sep 2004
                              • 1281

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Phil theStalker
                              It's NWO approved!

                              How do I know it's NWO approved?

                              WHERE ARE ALL THE COPS?

                              Where are all of the cops in city after city?

                              Where are all of the cops and SWAT teams, and our favorite HOMELAND SUCKURITY?! huh

                              Where were/are they? huh

                              NWO APPROVED!

                              That's all I've got t2o say aboot tit...thea end aff America...civil war coming shortly...

                              There was 1 cop car where Iwas at in Anaheim I'm AFRAID YOU ARE RIGHT PHIL

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