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  • BigBadBrian
    TOASTMASTER GENERAL
    • Jan 2004
    • 10620

    Living with illegals?

    Living with illegals?
    Mar 27, 2006
    by Michael Barone


    This week, the Senate is expected to take up immigration, almost 20 years after passage of the last major immigration bill. Immigration is in some ways an American success story -- half of all immigrants in the world head to the United States -- but also a story of failure -- we have an estimated 12 million illegal immigrants within our borders.

    The House in December passed a border security bill. The Senate Judiciary Committee spent three weeks hashing over border security and illegal immigrant and guest workers' provisions.

    Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist nudged it toward decision by announcing that he’d bring up a border security bill this Monday. Judiciary seems headed to a bipartisan majority on all three issues, which could go to the floor.


    So the Senate may take action -- after which its bill would have to be reconciled with the House bill in conference, and then the result would have to be jammed through a House where a lot of Republicans hate anything that smacks of amnesty. George W. Bush has set out principles -- border security, a path to legalization, a guest-worker program -- and seems likely to sign anything Congress can pass.

    The immigration issue shows us to be an attractive country with a vibrant economy -- and a government that seems on the verge of breakdown. Why can’t we protect our borders, many immigration critics, justifiably, ask. Increased enforcement in El Paso, Texas, and the fence built south of San Diego have reduced illegal crossings at those chokepoints.

    But thousands of illegal immigrants walk across the border in the Arizona desert -- and some of them die of thirst in the sun. Some Republicans want to build a fence along the whole 2,000-plus mile border. But that would be very expensive, and it’s not clear that people wouldn’t be able to scale the fence in unpopulated areas -- and most of the border is unpopulated. The United States was able to control its borders when most immigrants arrived by ship and could be processed at places like Ellis Island. Now, it seems that immigrants can keep coming by land illegally, unless we can establish a way that they can come legally. Then at least we’d be able to keep tabs on them for homeland security purposes.

    The 1986 immigration law included an amnesty on illegals and sanctions on employers of illegals. But the sanctions have proved toothless, since employers can escape liability by accepting pieces of paper that can easily be forged. The obvious solution is some kind of electronic verification. Visa and MasterCard transfer billions of dollars a day via plastic cards, with high reliability. But government has trouble with information technology: The FBI and the Federal Aviation Administration both had to abandon massive IT programs as unfeasible, despite years of effort and millions of dollars. The answer most likely is subcontracting the verification technology to the private sector.

    Capitalism "laughs at frontiers,” wrote the French historian Fernand Braudel. The dynamic American economy has attracted illegal immigrants from Mexico and other Latin American countries to work in construction, hotels and restaurants, meatpacking, gardening and landscaping. We talk as if our immigration laws can structure our labor markets, but in practice, Congress’ task now is to get our immigration laws working in tandem with labor markets. We are not going to expel a population the size of the state of Ohio. But we shouldn’t simply acquiesce to violation of the law. We need to legalize and regularize the flow of immigrants the labor market demands.

    And we need to encourage their assimilation into America. Opponents of immigration often express distaste with the growing Latino neighborhoods increasingly visible across the country. One hundred years ago, Henry James expressed similar distaste when he visited the Lower East Side of New York. But in time, those immigrants or their children were assimilated, and today their descendants seem as American as anyone else.

    Assimilation then had the wholehearted support of leaders like Theodore Roosevelt; today, many of our elites have transnational (Samuel Huntington’s word) attitudes and regard assimilation as oppressive. The vast majority of ordinary Americans have better sense.

    Congress, while rewriting the immigration law, ought to take care to encourage assimilation -- Americanization, as TR put it. For immigration is not just a challenge, it’s an opportunity.

    Michael Barone is the Senior Writer for U.S. News & World Report.
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  • ULTRAMAN VH
    Commando
    • May 2004
    • 1480

    #2
    Well I guess it is America's turn to fall. Mexico can't take care of it's own so how convenient that the American Government thinks that we can take on their problems. We are pissing away all of our energy and resources on Iraq whom are about to start a civil war. And we are not lifting a finger to curtail the invasion coming from Mexico.

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    • Nitro Express
      DIAMOND STATUS
      • Aug 2004
      • 32797

      #3
      The unchecked illegal immigration will cause a civil war of our own if we don't get things under control.

      You already see the seeds of it in places like Arizona where they want to take the federal income tax from AZ citizens to pay for additional border security that the federal govt. doesn't.

      You will start to see more hate crimes against Hispanics and that will spew more hate from their side.

      What we see going on in Iraq right now could be the US soon but instead of shite and sunni Muslims it's hispanics vs. non hispanics in a very nasty territory grab at the local level as an impotent Federal Govt. falls apart even more.

      Seriousely, this illegal immigration crisis could cause more shit than the fundamental Islamic movement. It could lead to a tottaly lawless civil war between vigilante groups and illegal alliens turning parts of the US into Somolia gangland type battles.

      The Fedral Govt. is falling apart as I speak and it has done nothing to eliminate any kind of immigration problem or terrorism problem. It's only made them worse.
      No! You can't have the keys to the wine cellar!

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      • Nickdfresh
        SUPER MODERATOR

        • Oct 2004
        • 49136

        #4
        Originally posted by ULTRAMAN VH
        Well I guess it is America's turn to fall. Mexico can't take care of it's own so how convenient that the American Government thinks that we can take on their problems. We are pissing away all of our energy and resources on Iraq whom are about to start a civil war. And we are not lifting a finger to curtail the invasion coming from Mexico.
        Yeah, but don't act as if we didn't take advantage of many of their problems for many years...

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        • DrMaddVibe
          ROTH ARMY ELITE
          • Jan 2004
          • 6659

          #5
          FIRE THE LASERS!!!!
          http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x...auders1zl5.gif
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          • ULTRAMAN VH
            Commando
            • May 2004
            • 1480

            #6
            "WE" Nick are you speaking French or do you have a mouse in your pocket. Yes the Government and big business took advantage of Vincente Fox's problems by allowing them to flow into this country illegally. The American people, primarily the middle class did not allow or want this to happen.

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            • Nickdfresh
              SUPER MODERATOR

              • Oct 2004
              • 49136

              #7
              Originally posted by ULTRAMAN VH
              "WE" Nick are you speaking French or do you have a mouse in your pocket. Yes the Government and big business took advantage of Vincente Fox's problems by allowing them to flow into this country illegally.


              Golly! I don't speak much French actually, and I have no idea what you are talking about in regards to a mouse. BTW, do you still eat 'Freedom' Fries still? Are the French your enemy for some reason? Don't tell the French soldiers in Afghanistan that. But, these "problems" began long before FOX was President...

              BTW, why do they come to America? Who hires them in this insidious plot?

              The American people, primarily the middle class did not allow or want this to happen.
              But yet it does... Funny, isn't it? Hmmmm...I wonder why that is? Everyone in the middle class wants it to "stop," but yet it never does...

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              • ULTRAMAN VH
                Commando
                • May 2004
                • 1480

                #8
                Okay Riddler, why doe's it not stop

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                • Nickdfresh
                  SUPER MODERATOR

                  • Oct 2004
                  • 49136

                  #9
                  Now you're speaking French...

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                  • ULTRAMAN VH
                    Commando
                    • May 2004
                    • 1480

                    #10
                    LOL

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                    • Hardrock69
                      DIAMOND STATUS
                      • Feb 2005
                      • 21838

                      #11
                      "MOTHER! MAKE IT STOP!!!"

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                      • ULTRAMAN VH
                        Commando
                        • May 2004
                        • 1480

                        #12
                        Well the tool Mayor gets up on his podium in front of the Illegal Aliens and their tool supporters and says he has signed a bill in their favor. They yell and cheer with glee. The Tool Mayor then tells the protesters that they need to return to school and their daily lives. What doe's he get in response. A huge chant of HELL NO WE WON'T GO, followed by violence and a police response. Now that the violence has set in, what's next????.

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                        • Hardrock69
                          DIAMOND STATUS
                          • Feb 2005
                          • 21838

                          #13
                          I prefer the House bill on Immigration Reform, that would immediately cause all Illegal Aliens to be classified as Felons, and would require them to be arrested and deported.

                          The United States gets along just fine without their asses.

                          All these pussies keep whining about how it might be detrimental to our economy if we deported them.

                          They have no factual evidence to back up that claim.

                          Not ALL Mexicans in this country are here illegally.

                          The only business and economic leaders who are crying about this are the ones who stand to lose money because they can no longer have their illegal laborers.

                          Fuck those cocksuckers.

                          They are breaking the law by hiring them, so they have to suffer the fucking consequences.

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                          • jhale667
                            DIAMOND STATUS
                            • Aug 2004
                            • 20929

                            #14
                            ...LA's mayor IS a tool, but 90% of those kids marching here have NO idea what they're marching for...it's just an excuse to skip school...some of the News interviews with these kids have been PATHETIC...they're completely clueless.
                            Originally posted by conmee
                            If anyone even thinks about deleting the Muff Thread they are banned.... no questions asked.

                            That is all.

                            Icon.
                            Originally posted by GO-SPURS-GO
                            I've seen prominent hypocrite liberal on this site Jhale667


                            Originally posted by Isaac R.
                            Then it's really true??:eek:

                            The Muff Thread is really just GONE ???

                            OMFG...who in their right mind...???
                            Originally posted by eddie78
                            I was wrong about you, brother. You're good.

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                            • Hardrock69
                              DIAMOND STATUS
                              • Feb 2005
                              • 21838

                              #15
                              I have often said that in many cases like this, people riot just because it gives them an excuse to tear shit up, not because they even know or care what the reasons for the unrest are in the first place.

                              As you said...they are clueless.

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