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Hardrock69
03-31-2006, 11:02 PM
John Dean appears at hearing on whether Bush should be censured
Ex-Nixon counsel urges Senate to act on Feingold resolution

Friday, March 31, 2006; Posted: 5:33 p.m. EST (22:33 GMT)

Former Nixon aide John Dean Friday said Bush's domestic spying program was worst than Watergate.


http://i.a.cnn.net/cnn/2006/POLITICS/03/31/senate.censure.ap/vert.dean.hearing.ap.jpg


WASHINGTON (AP) -- John W. Dean, Richard Nixon's White House lawyer, told senators Friday that President Bush's domestic spying exceeds the wrongdoing that toppled his former boss.

Bush, Dean told the Senate Judiciary Committee, should be censured and possibly impeached.

"Had the Senate or House, or both, censured or somehow warned Richard Nixon, the tragedy of Watergate might have been prevented," Dean told the Senate Judiciary Committee. "Hopefully the Senate will not sit by while even more serious abuses unfold before it." (Read Dean's testimonyexternal link)

Republicans and their witnesses rejected the comparison between Watergate and Bush's wiretapping program, and attributed Sen. Russell Feingold's censure resolution to posturing in a year of midterm elections. (Watch Republicans criticize Dean -- 1:57)

Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., said the comparison to Watergate is "apples and oranges" because Nixon's actions were more about saving himself and his presidency than national security.

"Quit trying to score political points," Sen. Orrin Hatch, R-Utah, shot across the aisle at committee Democrats.

In fact, only two Democrats have co-sponsored Feingold's resolution: Sens. Tom Harkin of Iowa and Barbara Boxer of California. The rest have distanced themselves from the proposal, with many saying the resolution is premature because a Senate Intelligence Committee investigation of the eavesdropping program has not concluded.

At issue is whether Bush's secretive domestic spying program violates the 1978 Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act.

Bush has said the National Security Agency's wiretapping program is aimed at finding terrorists before they strike on American soil by tapping the phones of people making calls overseas. He has launched a criminal investigation to find out who leaked the program's existence to The New York Times, saying the report in December tipped off anyone who might be planning attacks.

Critics say Bush already has the ability to conduct wiretaps under the FISA law and any information gathered without a court order may be inadmissible at a trial.

Feingold's measure would condemn Bush's "unlawful authorization of wiretaps of Americans within the United States without obtaining the court orders required" by the FISA act.

"If we in the Congress don't stand up for ourselves and the American people, we become complicit in the lawbreaking," Feingold, D-Wis., told the panel. "The resolution of censure is the appropriate response."

Feingold summoned Dean to the hearing in part because the former White House counsel made his suspicions about the Bush administration clear long before the wiretapping program became public.

In his 2004 book, "Worse Than Watergate: The Secret Presidency of George W. Bush," Dean wrote that the former Texas governor began to evoke Nixonian memories with his strategies against Republican John McCain's primary challenge in South Carolina in 2000.

After The New York Times revealed the NSA program in December, Dean wrote that "Bush may have outdone Nixon" and may be worthy of impeachment.

"Nixon's illegal surveillance was limited; Bush's, it is developing, may be extraordinarily broad in scope," Dean wrote in a column for FindLaw.com in December.

Dean served four months in prison for his role in Watergate, a political scandal that involved illegal wiretapping, burglary and abuse of power aimed at Nixon enemies. Administration officials were implicated in the ensuing cover-up.

Nixon resigned Aug. 9, 1974, less than two weeks after the House Judiciary Committee began approving three articles of impeachment against him, charging obstruction of justice as well as abuse of power and withholding evidence.

Dean said Friday that the issue is one of checks and balances, adding Congress should pass some measure serving a warning to Bush if it can't stomach a censure resolution.

"The president needs to be reminded that separation of powers does not mean an isolation of powers," he said.



http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/03/31/senate.censure.ap/index.html

matt19
04-01-2006, 12:08 AM
this is only because you fucking democrats are too big of pussies to say that big word.... impeach... because some of your fucking constituants wouldnt like it... lmfao... its like a couple not wanting to divorce but will separate instead give me a fucking break!

Warham
04-01-2006, 12:10 AM
I thought the Democrats hated anything or anybody to do with Nixon. But yet they rally behind one of his former aides? Could it be because of political convenience?

Hardrock69
04-01-2006, 12:16 AM
Or perhaps it is because he is stating his actual beliefs....people do occasionally state their true feelings on this planet....

matt19
04-01-2006, 12:22 AM
maybe.. but still a censure... thats like saying i dont like what you did... but im too big of a pansy to do anything...

FORD
04-01-2006, 12:55 AM
Originally posted by Warham
I thought the Democrats hated anything or anybody to do with Nixon. But yet they rally behind one of his former aides? Could it be because of political convenience?

You should read his book "Worse Than Watergate". It might open your eyes to the fact that the current BCE is even worse than the 1970's version. From the viewpoint of someone who was there.

Nickdfresh
04-01-2006, 01:02 AM
Originally posted by matt19
this is only because you fucking democrats are too big of pussies to say that big word.... impeach... because some of your fucking constituants wouldnt like it... lmfao... its like a couple not wanting to divorce but will separate instead give me a fucking break!

Isn't this the mental runt that accused me of "painting with a broad brush" in another thread?

FORD
04-01-2006, 01:04 AM
The trolls just keep getting worse, don't they?

Nickdfresh
04-01-2006, 01:07 AM
Yup...

And I'm also for "Censure." This guys a fucking clown as President, and a corporate sock puppet for the Neo Con agenda... He deserves at least a Scarlet-letter in his file. The Impeachment thing could be ugly at this point...

Warham
04-01-2006, 02:52 PM
'Censuring' a president isn't even a Constitutional punishment.

It really means nothing.

Warham
04-01-2006, 02:56 PM
Echoes of Nixon, Clinton eras
SENATORS CONSIDER CENSURING OF BUSH
By James Kuhnhenn
Knight Ridder

WASHINGTON - Memories of Watergate and Monica Lewinsky, break-ins and coverups, hovered like the ghosts of shamed presidencies over a Senate hearing Friday on whether to censure President Bush.

There was John Dean, the former White House counsel who exposed Richard Nixon in the Watergate coverup nearly 33 years ago, calling for Bush's censure.

Of fresher vintage was Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., who as a House member eight years ago helped manage the impeachment trial of President Clinton. Though Graham once advocated censure for Clinton, on Friday he made a case for sparing Bush.

At issue was a resolution sponsored by Sen. Russell Feingold, D-Wis., to censure the president for authorizing warrantless eavesdropping on U.S. citizens as part of the administration's anti-terrorism campaign.

The censure motion has galvanized liberal activists, but most congressional Democrats have turned their backs on Feingold's effort. Only two of the Senate Judiciary Committee's eight Democrats showed up Friday morning to question a panel of five legal scholars and commentators at a hearing convened by chair Arlen Specter, R-Pa. Specter said the Judiciary Committee would vote on Feingold's resolution ``in due course,'' but would make no further commitment.

Significantly, however, the panel's top Democrat, Sen. Patrick Leahy, D-Vt., said for the first time that he ``is inclined to believe'' that censure is an appropriate sanction against Bush, lending high-powered backing to Feingold's move.

``We know the president broke the law,'' Leahy said. ``Now we need to know why.''

The hearing was at times a high-minded debate over the Constitution and presidential authority and a full-force attack on Bush. Panelists and senators debated Bush's place in history, inviting comparisons to Nixon and Clinton.

Graham and Specter held a middle ground, disagreeing with Bush's claim of having the legal authority to wiretap U.S. citizens but rejecting any suggestion that the president deserves some form of official reprimand.

To say Nixon's coverup of a political scandal and Clinton's perjury were ``the political and moral equivalent to this president's decision to surveil the enemy, I think, is absurd,'' Graham said.

Sens. John Cornyn, R-Texas, and Jeff Sessions, R-Ala., dismissed the hearings as ``surreal'' and ``beyond the pale.''

``I would suggest we'd better spend our time investigating how a top-secret program such as this, a program fully shared with congressional leaders, was breached and provided to the media and revealed throughout the world,'' Sessions said.

Feingold vigorously disagreed: ``If we in the Congress don't stand up for ourselves and the American people, we have become complicit in the lawbreaking.''

But the center of attention was Dean, now 67 and the author of the recent book ``Worse Than Watergate: The Secret Presidency of George W. Bush.'' Dean, who spent four months in prison for his part in the Watergate scandal, joked that senators needed to ``hear from the dark side.''

``This is a part of a very consistent, long-term, early announced policy of this presidency that they are seeking to build presidential power for the sake of presidential power,'' Dean said.

http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/news/politics/14240248.htm

matt19
04-05-2006, 03:47 AM
Originally posted by Nickdfresh
Isn't this the mental runt that accused me of "painting with a broad brush" in another thread?

mental runt? im not the one supporting something that means absoultly nothing, a censure isnt even a slap on the wrist, and i thought u didnt insult anyone.

matt19
04-05-2006, 03:49 AM
Originally posted by FORD
The trolls just keep getting worse, don't they?

troll? u are the one living in a hole making up conspiracies to aid ur bull shit "i hate bush" campaign, lmfao