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BigBadBrian
04-08-2006, 05:29 PM
Iraq: How to Stop a Civil War
The Washington Post, March 27, 2006

Michael E. O'Hanlon, Senior Fellow, Foreign Policy Studies



Administration officials have been right in recent weeks to argue that there is no large-scale civil war underway in Iraq. As long as the Iraqi political leadership remains generally united in trying to calm the situation, and as long as sectarian violence remains more sporadic than strategic (with no systematic ethnic cleansing, for example), true civil war remains a threat rather than a reality. But as President Bush himself recognized in his March 13 speech on Iraq, whoever attacked the Golden Mosque in Samarra on Feb. 22 was trying to spark a civil war. Yesterday's gruesome events, including the discovery of 30 beheaded bodies near Baqubah, heavy fighting in parts of Baghdad and the firing of fatal mortar rounds at Moqtada al-Sadr's compound in Najaf, suggest that such attempts will likely continue.

Of course, preventing a civil war is primarily a political task. In this light, U.S. Ambassador Zalmay Khalilzad has been right to push Iraqis to form a coalition government. He might also encourage them to start thinking about what policies such a government would pursue. For example, in debating whether Prime Minister Ibrahim al-Jafari should retain his post, Iraqis might think a bit less about the past year and instead ask Jafari about his plans for the future: for sharing oil revenue among provinces, rehabilitating lower-level Baathists to reenter the society, integrating security forces and creating jobs.

But if the political process continues to falter and the risk of civil war looms larger, we will also need a military plan for quelling it. Much of the American debate has been asking how to handle an all-out conflict in which Iraq has already fractured and violence is rampant. But the more important question is how to quell violence in the early stages, before such a scenario develops fully. And this is not the typical debate over how fast and soon we can draw down U.S. troops in Iraq; rather, it is a debate about what they do while they are there.

On this point, initial indications are that American thinking is on the wrong track. Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld has stated that U.S. forces would not become heavily involved in any civil strife, leaving it instead to Iraqis to sort out the problem. This approach, which mirrors the relatively passive approach U.S. troops took to the reprisal violence after the Feb. 22 bombing, has an understandable appeal. But it is akin to our decision to stand aside and allow wanton looting after Saddam Hussein fell in April 2003, and it could have comparably disastrous consequences.

If civil war begins in Iraq, it will probably consist of increasingly active vigilante justice -- as well as random, pointless acts of violent rage -- by Iraq's powerful militias. They will attack defenseless mosques, homes of important figures from other ethnic and religious groups, and defenseless citizens. They will begin to perpetrate ethnic cleansing with cold, premeditated purpose. As time goes on, hearing about similar behavior by other militias from other sectarian groups, they will also be motivated by a desire for vengeance -- not just for Hussein's atrocities of yesteryear but for what happened last week and last night. And they will seek to protect their own unarmed families and friends by stepping up ethnic cleansing in neighborhoods where they live, to preclude the possibility of further attacks against their own kin.

These are the typical dynamics of civil conflicts, as analyzed by scholars such as John Mueller, Barry Posen, Steve Stedman and Chaim Kaufmann. Civil wars with a heavy ethnic dimension do not typically begin as full-blown conflicts but rather develop an internal dynamic in which hate, rage and fear increasingly influence the actions of a growing number of people.

In such a situation, stemming violence early is critical. Checkpoints need to be manned, curfews enforced, vigilantes arrested or shot, mosques and schools and hospitals protected.

Yes, Iraqi forces can do many of these things and should. And, yes, many of them will. But Iraqi security forces are at present politically untested. Most units are dominated by one group or another. If the country begins to descend toward civil war, the temptation of many will be to take sides in the sectarian strife rather than stop it.

The foreign coalition can do a great deal to discourage this. By deploying with Iraqi police and army troops on the streets, it can provide enough manpower to do the labor-intensive work required to restore order as anarchy begins to spread. It can help give Iraqi security forces the backbone they need to hang together and do their job for the country rather than fight for their Kurdish or Shiite or Sunni Arab interests. It can act as a glue, helping to hold them together by working with them and providing an example worthy of emulation.

In his statements about letting Iraqis handle their own civil strife, perhaps Rumsfeld was trying to drive home to Iraqis the message that they should not count on the distant American superpower to bail them out if civil war begins. This message is grounded in a sound logic; Iraqis do need to step up to the plate and solve more of their own problems. But as a full indication of what our military plans would be for any incipient civil war, it is not the right strategy. Now is the time to reassess.

Link (http://www.brookings.org/views/op-ed/ohanlon/20060327.htm)

Spc. Graner
04-09-2006, 10:59 AM
Listen up BigBadBrian, you America hater! You freedom hater!

THERE IS NO CIVIL WAR IN IRAQ! End of story. Don't fool yourself! We are in control.

There is only one way to deal with these people:

http://www.juliankolar.com/images/songs/abu_gharib.jpg

BigBadBrian
04-15-2006, 06:07 PM
Originally posted by Spc. Graner
Listen up BigBadBrian, you America hater! You freedom hater!

THERE IS NO CIVIL WAR IN IRAQ! End of story. Don't fool yourself! We are in control.

There is only one way to deal with these people:

http://www.juliankolar.com/images/songs/abu_gharib.jpg

Shut up, Liberal!!!!

Nickdfresh
04-16-2006, 12:21 AM
No!! You shut up you poopy-head™!!

Nitro Express
04-16-2006, 12:59 AM
Saddam found chemical weapons work wonders when people get out of line. I say give the guy a bag of Dorritos, say we are sorry and put him back in power.

Spc. Graner
04-16-2006, 10:20 AM
Originally posted by BigBadBrian
Shut up, Liberal!!!!

Suck my nuts, you silly bitch!

bobgnote
04-17-2006, 05:41 PM
Dr. Robert checks the patient for ******ITIS . . .


Originally posted by BigBadBrian
Iraq: How to Stop a Civil War
The Washington Post, March 27, 2006

Michael E. O'Hanlon, Senior Fellow, Foreign Policy Studies

Administration officials have been right in recent weeks to argue that there is no large-scale civil war underway in Iraq.
If civil war begins in Iraq, it will probably consist of increasingly active vigilante justice -- as well as random, pointless acts of violent rage -- by Iraq's powerful militias. They will attack defenseless mosques, homes of important figures from other ethnic and religious groups, and defenseless citizens. They will begin to perpetrate ethnic cleansing with cold, premeditated purpose. As time goes on, hearing about similar behavior by other militias from other sectarian groups, they will also be motivated by a desire for vengeance -- not just for Hussein's atrocities of yesteryear but for what happened last week and last night. And they will seek to protect their own unarmed families and friends by stepping up ethnic cleansing in neighborhoods where they live, to preclude the possibility of further attacks against their own kin.

These are the typical dynamics of civil conflicts, as analyzed by scholars such as John Mueller, Barry Posen, Steve Stedman and Chaim Kaufmann. Civil wars with a heavy ethnic dimension do not typically begin as full-blown conflicts but rather develop an internal dynamic in which hate, rage and fear increasingly influence the actions of a growing number of people.

In such a situation, stemming violence early is critical. Checkpoints need to be manned, curfews enforced, vigilantes arrested or shot, mosques and schools and hospitals protected.
Link (http://www.brookings.org/views/op-ed/ohanlon/20060327.htm)

This is ******-THINK-TANK shitload. Please advise the tank-faggots.

See, ******s, IF you did HS-US history, you would have been taken fishing by a teacher who introduced the LEAGUE OF NATIONS.

The USA stayed out of the League FOR THE SAME REASONS WE ARE IN IRAQ. But your mommies and daddies are so CATHOLIC, you are wicked STUPID AND OBLIVIOUS, in the face of facts and dangerous accumulations of fighting issues, in favor of the US and UK getting nuked. WHY in hell you WANT to get nuked is the Brits have inbred, nobody walkiing around over there is as smart as AbFab cast, and in the US, we have Milosevic-style Catholics ruling willing ******s from the Abrogado-Coyotes and their ugly-fucker cousins, the Coyote-Abrogados, who DO NOT EVEN KNOW THEY ARE RELATED BUT THEY KEEP FUCKEEENG, so that explains Charlie Whoever and Joe Bob the newsie both being part Messican and loving the bean dinners, badly.

YOU do NOT get to have all of your illegal power deals and STUFF, that includes your expensive, illegally gathered media and MILITARY AID TO FASCIST ISRAEL, for all your ******itis and denial of disorder.

So who has his hand up Charlie the Puppet? You wiggle very realistically, like Mr. Garrison up Mr. Hat's frock, in front of the 3rd grade we all like to watch.

That's right, ******s! You missed WWI, you missed all the development. Better get back and read up, the USA stayed OUT of the League. It was all cartoon, you know, JUSTICE what-the-fuck! The Brits bombed all sorts of places and Baghdad, lots of times. The US is so Mexi-gay, it denies all history after 1848 or forgot it. So when 1948 came along and Israel was shoved in real hard, baby blue and all, you never figured to question the war funding that enables all the brown shitters to sell THEIR drugs and THEIR oil and THEIR brown shitheads on every side of every border, so THEY are SUPER******s, and YOU, what the fuck are YOU?

I am not as brown as you assholes, no matter HOW MUCH TIME IN THE SUN, NO MATTER HOW MUCH PAINT I CAN TAKE. You assholes eat loads of shit till your eyeballs are compromised, and you have ordered MORE SHIT THAN YOU CAN EAT!! Order's in, dump's COOKIN'.

THEN, you BROWN-sound worshipping shitheads can EAT IT ALL UP.

I am where to get the MUSIC, rectum-fanciers! Call it what you want, pay FIRST. You haven't paid yet, you either Charlie the class-clown.

I can get the REAL Charlie OUT, if he is SMART. What YOU want, puppets and players? Should Rummy go in, Charlie OUT? ******s?

jhale667
04-17-2006, 05:46 PM
Originally posted by bobgscrote
I gargle with JIZZ!!!

bobgnote
04-17-2006, 07:53 PM
Originally posted by jhale667
Brown rock smells like TURDS, for girls who like that, since if they get fluffed on the SHIT, they can put some J up the hole and smoke it. I like to roll around in front of chicks and the whole word with the J-head up the J-HOLE, real impressive with nuts swinging around. But waaah, the chicks don't actually dig it, from faggot guitar-hacks in a piss-stank woodshop in LA!

And I bet the Arayans won't slow down the nukes, for LA-punk666 and a bit, who hasn't figured he's a ******! Get back to the SHOP, Qshit!

Get up what racism. You were not BORN in Africa, but your busted genes still show some functionality, since they landed you a job as a ******, doing nothing in particular, for NOBODY, sorry about your Couver boyfriend taking off on you.

When you get crapped on, J-Hole, you get crapped on, and YOU WILL BE GONE. Making or fixing guitars will not support YOU.

bobgnote
04-17-2006, 08:13 PM
Meanwhile, J-HoLE has tried to queer my spinoff question:

WHO should be in there, SPEC.GRANER or DONALD RUMSFELD, badly employed former Nittany Lions wrestler?

You are up your own butt, J-hole. But meanwhile, should CHARLES or DONALD be in the slammer?

Seems to me, too many guys like Gen. Sanchez were recruited, they never belonged as general officers, so NOW, Rummy who fudged to even get a mission going needs to get scaped and goated, both.

Even if he IS a scapegoat, the charge that he worked on guys, while having NO WMD mandate, spells need for review, for Donald of the DOD. That he is trying to get you all dead, like ALL OF THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION and their efforts seems to make no difference to most or all of you.

You are dead if you try to fly in 2008-2012. Simple as that. Just TRY.

Look up ENGLAND in the encyclopedia before you figure we should go jerk Iraq for GW. It says they hacked in the Middle East, but they got ROUSTED by 1932 after a bunch of fighting, the Brits shoved Sykes-Picot and Balfour with their stupid jingoist media, like FoxNEWS only different, the whole time they shoved Empire!

I tell you punks to go see Lawrence of Arabia, it won Oscars, but NO. Khartoum, WTF!!? Turn on the TV, ******S! It's Planet of the APES, ending with a churchy nuking, but YOU wouldn't watch THAT until it jumps off a horse, puts a monkey-Enfield up your ass, and pops you.

But since YOU guys are ******s who stopped studying history in 1848 or earlier, so sorry about you trying to think and it HURTS!! By the WAY, when Imams say you are pigs and monkeys, you failed to note Animal Farm was published in 1948, same year as Israel pupped.

The other thing for you to see is PLANET OF THE APES, yep, a C.Heston flick. Guns notwithstanding, Charlton Heston made movies.
So now, try to hit the windsprints, faggot-section that can't dance OR sprint, so the race ain't on. You ******S need some SPEED, right now, and a couple of Charleton Heston flicks. Smarten up, NOW.

jhale667
04-17-2006, 08:49 PM
Guitar-hack? How DARE you, sir! I'll shred your sociopathic HEAD off, pole-smoker. :D

Nickdfresh
04-17-2006, 10:10 PM
The man took my weed-wacker away...

**sigh**

Warham
04-17-2006, 10:16 PM
bob's looking more and more like Holmes every day.

jhale667
04-17-2006, 10:54 PM
Originally posted by Warham
bob's looking more and more like Holmes every day.


Yeah, but Holmes didn't smoke NEARLY as much crack...;)

Mr Grimsdale
04-18-2006, 12:44 PM
Originally posted by Nitro Express
Saddam found chemical weapons work wonders when people get out of line. I say give the guy a bag of Dorritos, say we are sorry and put him back in power.

he'll be back alright!