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BigBadBrian
04-11-2006, 04:02 PM
Christians Sue for Right Not to Tolerate Policies
Many codes intended to protect gays from harassment are illegal, conservatives argue.
By Stephanie Simon, Times Staff Writer
April 10, 2006


ATLANTA — Ruth Malhotra went to court last month for the right to be intolerant.

Malhotra says her Christian faith compels her to speak out against homosexuality. But the Georgia Institute of Technology, where she's a senior, bans speech that puts down others because of their sexual orientation.

Malhotra sees that as an unacceptable infringement on her right to religious expression. So she's demanding that Georgia Tech revoke its tolerance policy.

With her lawsuit, the 22-year-old student joins a growing campaign to force public schools, state colleges and private workplaces to eliminate policies protecting gays and lesbians from harassment. The religious right aims to overturn a broad range of common tolerance programs: diversity training that promotes acceptance of gays and lesbians, speech codes that ban harsh words against homosexuality, anti-discrimination policies that require college clubs to open their membership to all.

The Rev. Rick Scarborough, a leading evangelical, frames the movement as the civil rights struggle of the 21st century. "Christians," he said, "are going to have to take a stand for the right to be Christian."

In that spirit, the Christian Legal Society, an association of judges and lawyers, has formed a national group to challenge tolerance policies in federal court. Several nonprofit law firms — backed by major ministries such as Focus on the Family and Campus Crusade for Christ — already take on such cases for free.

The legal argument is straightforward: Policies intended to protect gays and lesbians from discrimination end up discriminating against conservative Christians. Evangelicals have been suspended for wearing anti-gay T-shirts to high school, fired for denouncing Gay Pride Month at work, reprimanded for refusing to attend diversity training. When they protest tolerance codes, they're labeled intolerant.

A recent survey by the Anti-Defamation League found that 64% of American adults — including 80% of evangelical Christians — agreed with the statement "Religion is under attack in this country."

"The message is, you're free to worship as you like, but don't you dare talk about it outside the four walls of your church," said Stephen Crampton, chief counsel for the American Family Assn. Center for Law and Policy, which represents Christians who feel harassed.

Critics dismiss such talk as a right-wing fundraising ploy. "They're trying to develop a persecution complex," said Jeremy Gunn, director of the American Civil Liberties Union's Program on Freedom of Religion and Belief.

Others fear the banner of religious liberty could be used to justify all manner of harassment.

"What if a person felt their religious view was that African Americans shouldn't mingle with Caucasians, or that women shouldn't work?" asked Jon Davidson, legal director of the gay rights group Lambda Legal.

Christian activist Gregory S. Baylor responds to such criticism angrily. He says he supports policies that protect people from discrimination based on race and gender. But he draws a distinction that infuriates gay rights activists when he argues that sexual orientation is different — a lifestyle choice, not an inborn trait.

By equating homosexuality with race, Baylor said, tolerance policies put conservative evangelicals in the same category as racists. He predicts the government will one day revoke the tax-exempt status of churches that preach homosexuality is sinful or that refuse to hire gays and lesbians.

"Think how marginalized racists are," said Baylor, who directs the Christian Legal Society's Center for Law and Religious Freedom. "If we don't address this now, it will only get worse."

Christians are fighting back in a case involving Every Nation Campus Ministries at California State University. Student members of the ministry on the Long Beach and San Diego campuses say their mission is to model a virtuous lifestyle for their peers. They will not accept as members gays, lesbians or anyone who considers homosexuality "a natural part of God's created order."

Legal analysts agree that the ministry, as a private organization, has every right to exclude gays; the Supreme Court affirmed that principle in a case involving the Boy Scouts in 2000. At issue is whether the university must grant official recognition to a student group that discriminates.

The students say denying them recognition — and its attendant benefits, such as funding — violates their free-speech rights and discriminates against their conservative theology. Christian groups at public colleges in other states have sued using similar arguments. Several of those lawsuits were settled out of court, with the groups prevailing.

In California, however, the university may have a strong defense in court. The California Supreme Court recently ruled that the city of Berkeley was justified in denying subsidies to the Boy Scouts because of that group's exclusionary policies. Eddie L. Washington, the lawyer representing Cal State, argues the same standard should apply to the university.

"We're certainly not going to fund discrimination," Washington said.

Link (http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-christians10apr10,0,6204444.story?coll=la-story-footer)

FORD
04-11-2006, 04:05 PM
If you want to live in a theocracy, move to Iraq.

Mr Grimsdale
04-11-2006, 04:07 PM
Eugenics anyone?

Mr Grimsdale
04-11-2006, 04:08 PM
I'm sure Ken Alibek could help the government with that.

Guitar Shark
04-11-2006, 04:39 PM
Originally posted by BigBadBrian
With her lawsuit, the 22-year-old student joins a growing campaign to force public schools, state colleges and private workplaces to eliminate policies protecting gays and lesbians from harassment.

Such loving people, those Christians :)

jhale667
04-11-2006, 04:47 PM
Oh, geez....poor persecuted Christians. Give me a fucking break.

Demanding the 'right' to be intolerant....fuck off. Next the KKK will sue for the 'right' to be ignorant bigots.

knuckleboner
04-11-2006, 05:15 PM
Originally posted by BigBadBrian
By Stephanie Simon, Times Staff Writer
April 10, 2006


But he draws a distinction that infuriates gay rights activists when he argues that sexual orientation is different — a lifestyle choice, not an inborn trait.




great. then presumably, he's also against any university passing a code that prohibits muslims from demonizing Christianity. you know, since being a Christian is a lifestyle choice...

Spc. Graner
04-11-2006, 09:13 PM
Praise the Lord.

Down with secularism.

Every knee shal bow!

Nickdfresh
04-11-2006, 09:33 PM
Shouldn't they be sinking witches in lakes and stuff?

Oh wait, now they have gays and liberated women to serve as the unifying little "Satans" & witches to focus and project all of their fear and hatred on, and prevent actual thought and progression. That way, so-called FundaMENTALS can build on their power by feigning persecution, which is what it's all really about: power and cuntrol of people...

And acting like a martyr every thirty seconds...

rustoffa
04-11-2006, 09:40 PM
Ha! That's gonna go over like a lead balloon @ The North Avenue Trade School. A gang of lesbo chemical engineers-in-waiting 'ell probably do a late night nullo experiment on her!

LoungeMachine
04-11-2006, 11:24 PM
Jesus is rolling over in his grave..........

Jesus Christ
04-12-2006, 12:57 AM
Originally posted by LoungeMachine
Jesus is rolling over in his grave..........

No, I'm just puking My Holy guts out right here in Heaven.

These deluded fools do not follow My teachings :(

LoungeMachine
04-12-2006, 10:05 AM
Originally posted by Jesus Christ
No, I'm just puking My Holy guts out right here in Heaven.

These deluded fools do not follow My teachings :(


Your soul is.

Your human remains are still here somewhere

dust to dust and all that

:cool:

Hardrock69
04-12-2006, 11:11 AM
Originally posted by jhale667
Oh, geez....poor persecuted Christians. Give me a fucking break.

Demanding the 'right' to be intolerant....fuck off. Next the KKK will sue for the 'right' to be ignorant bigots.

In that particular case, what is the difference between Christians and the KKK doing that?

KKK is inherently intolerent & bigoted...this woman is just suing to be ALLOWED to be the same...meaning she already is, she just wants to force the state of Georgia to make it legal to be an intolerant bigoted asshole. And she is slandering all Christians who are NOT bigoted by dragging the Christian religion into it.

:rolleyes:

What a fucking cunt...

Hardrock69
04-12-2006, 11:15 AM
Jesus - The Holy Pile Of Bones....

:D

Mr Grimsdale
04-12-2006, 04:18 PM
Originally posted by rustoffa
Ha! That's gonna go over like a lead balloon @ The North Avenue Trade School. A gang of lesbo chemical engineers-in-waiting 'ell probably do a late night nullo experiment on her!

Lesbo-chemical engineers?
Um... do you have a contact number for them? Sounds like fun.

rustoffa
04-13-2006, 10:36 PM
Originally posted by Mr Grimsdale
Lesbo-chemical engineers?
Um... do you have a contact number for them? Sounds like fun.

No number, but they're pretty easy to track down. Think art majors, but not as dreary. Go directly to Decatur on a Thursday or Friday night....they might be eating vegan pizza early. If it's later, check the microbrew dives....approach with caution.
:cool:

Switch84
04-14-2006, 12:47 AM
:( So it's alright for a gay person to wear rainbow shirts/jewelry while loudly proclaiming their 'gay pride', but a person that wears a crucifix and a Jesus t-shirt is seen as an intolerant bigot simply because they don't accept that lifestyle per their faith? Free speech is just that, FREE SPEECH! I'm not familiar with FREE HEARING.

FYI: The KKK/Neo-Nazis/Skinheads/White Power etc ARE allowed to openly march, protest and 'share' their point of view in public venues. Every year in the outskirts of Detroit (and our state capital, Lansing) some Aryan Nation shitheads are allowed to LEGALLY march during the first week of Black History Month! Do I agree with their 'beliefs'? No. I also don't have to witness their stupidity, either. I find out where and when they're marching and just stay away. I don't like what they're about, but it is still their right as Americans to freely express them, so long as they don't attack anyone and gather peacefully.


Stop being such fuckin' pansies! If you don't dig the Christian faith, you don't have to participate in it, but you definintely do NOT have the right to stop those that do!

LoungeMachine
04-14-2006, 12:53 AM
Originally posted by Switch84
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FREE SPEECH! I'm not familiar with FREE HEARING.

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Free Hearing is what allows Milli Vanilli, Sammy Hagar, and the entire Neil Sedaka catalog to exist........;)

FORD
04-14-2006, 01:14 AM
Originally posted by Switch84
:( So it's alright for a gay person to wear rainbow shirts/jewelry while loudly proclaiming their 'gay pride', but a person that wears a crucifix and a Jesus t-shirt is seen as an intolerant bigot simply because they don't accept that lifestyle per their faith? Free speech is just that, FREE SPEECH! I'm not familiar with FREE HEARING.

Who is saying they can't wear a crucifix or a Jesus fish? Or a t-shirt or whatever.

The problem is that when these morons want to write their interpretation of religion into the LAW.

FYI: The KKK/Neo-Nazis/Skinheads/White Power etc ARE allowed to openly march, protest and 'share' their point of view in public venues. Every year in the outskirts of Detroit (and our state capital, Lansing) some Aryan Nation shitheads are allowed to LEGALLY march during the first week of Black History Month! Do I agree with their 'beliefs'? No. I also don't have to witness their stupidity, either. I find out where and when they're marching and just stay away. I don't like what they're about, but it is still their right as Americans to freely express them, so long as they don't attack anyone and gather peacefully.

As long as they burn crosses on their own property, it's free speech. Stupid ignorant neanderthal speech, of course, but legal.

However, that line is crossed if they burn a cross on your front lawn, or otherwise threaten anybody. Same with that fucking moron Fred Phelps, who, along with the BCE, is fueling all this anti-gay bullshit.

Stop being such fuckin' pansies! If you don't dig the Christian faith, you don't have to participate in it, but you definintely do NOT have the right to stop those that do!

And the same applies to those who the "Christians" (and I use the term loosely with these people) don't like. Jesus didn't demand that the Romans write His teachings into their laws, and most of the "Christian" right wouldn't know the teachings of Christ if He showed up and preached them tomorrow Himself.

Hardrock69
04-14-2006, 09:26 AM
It is people like the stoopid bitch in Atlanta who give Christians a bad name.

Sure protest all you want, but discrimination is AGAINST THE FUCKING LAW.

bueno bob
04-14-2006, 09:30 AM
Originally posted by Spc. Graner
Every knee shal bow!

Eviry won shal lurn howe to spel.

BigBadBrian
04-15-2006, 05:52 PM
Originally posted by Hardrock69

Sure protest all you want, but discrimination is AGAINST THE FUCKING LAW.

Except Christians.

:gulp:

FORD
04-15-2006, 06:14 PM
Originally posted by BigBadBrian
Except Christians.

:gulp:

Complete and utter horseshit.

Right wing pharisee hypocrites who call themselves "Christians" are currently in charge of every branch of government. They have converted the FCC into a nanny agency which is attempting to make all of Television and radio into the G-rated "Barney" channel.

Christian holidays are the only religious holidays given official status by federal and state governments.

Where is this "discrimination" you speak of?

Guitar Shark
04-15-2006, 06:21 PM
I discriminate against Christians every chance I get.

FORD
04-15-2006, 06:26 PM
Originally posted by Guitar Shark
I discriminate against Christians every chance I get.

Yeah, but you're a heathen lawyer, so you already know you're going to Hell :D

bueno bob
04-16-2006, 04:11 AM
Originally posted by FORD
Yeah, but you're a heathen lawyer, so you already know you're going to Hell :D

Why don't sharks bite lawyers?

LoungeMachine
04-16-2006, 10:30 AM
Originally posted by bueno bob
Why don't sharks bite lawyers?

Professional Courtesy

matt19
04-16-2006, 12:06 PM
Originally posted by jhale667
Oh, geez....poor persecuted Christians. Give me a fucking break.

Demanding the 'right' to be intolerant....fuck off. Next the KKK will sue for the 'right' to be ignorant bigots.
amen!

Jesus Christ
04-16-2006, 01:38 PM
It is the actions of the hypocrites and Pharisees which will cause many to hate My true disciples :(

Spc. Graner
04-16-2006, 01:58 PM
Originally posted by Jesus Christ
It is the actions of the hypocrites and Pharisees which will cause many to hate My true disciples

JC! These buttholes will never learn. You are the way and the light, dog.

Oh, Happy Birthday! This must be a real exciting time of year for you.

Does God really hate fags? Because if he does, I have some ideas...

jhale667
04-16-2006, 05:28 PM
Originally posted by Jesus Christ
It is the actions of the hypocrites and Pharisees which will cause many to hate My true disciples :(

Hopefully, your true disciples have the sense to distance themselves from idiots like that, and Spc. Torture-boy over here.

...and it's not his 'BIRTHDAY', you stupid fuck.

For someone who's so anti-'fag', why did you choose a screen name of someone who was OBVIOUSLY into man-on-man pyramid action? ;)

Spc. Graner
04-17-2006, 08:28 AM
Originally posted by jhale667
Hopefully, your true disciples have the sense to distance themselves from idiots like that, and Spc. Torture-boy over here.

...and it's not his 'BIRTHDAY', you stupid fuck.

For someone who's so anti-'fag', why did you choose a screen name of someone who was OBVIOUSLY into man-on-man pyramid action? ;)

It's the day of his REBIRTH, you dumb stupid steaming pile of cum and shit.

Why do you hate America, bitch?

Hardrock69
04-17-2006, 10:50 AM
You hate America asshole, or you would have chosen the name of a soldier who was a fucking hero instead of some idiot who had nothing better to do than abuse prisoners, and who was probably fucking them in the ass like the homo he is...guess you worship homos huh....
:rolleyes:

Hardrock69
04-17-2006, 10:53 AM
Originally posted by Jesus Christ
It is the actions of the hypocrites and Pharisees which will cause many to hate My true disciples :(

As with any organization it is the bad apples that make a bad name for all the rest of them....like Spc. Graner...

jhale667
04-17-2006, 02:48 PM
Originally posted by Spc. Graner
It's the day of his REBIRTH, you dumb stupid steaming pile of cum and shit.

Why do you hate America, bitch?

Ah, but that's not what you SAID is it, you fucking asshat?

Nice gay references there, cumdumpster...

and you WISH I hated America, you stupid little punk. YOU're the one that idolizes an embarassment to the nation, remember? Go back to man-camp, it's pyramid time!

bueno bob
04-17-2006, 03:16 PM
Originally posted by LoungeMachine
Professional Courtesy

Exactly exactly :)

bueno bob
04-17-2006, 03:17 PM
Originally posted by Spc. Graner
It's the day of his REBIRTH, you dumb stupid steaming pile of cum and shit.

Why do you hate America, bitch?

Idiot.

You know, for the sake of the U.S. in general, I find myself really hoping you're a troll.

FORD
04-17-2006, 03:29 PM
He's not a troll, he's an alias. But since I can't read the IP's in this forum anymore, I forgot who's alias he was.

jhale667
04-17-2006, 03:36 PM
Originally posted by FORD
He's not a troll, he's an alias. But since I can't read the IP's in this forum anymore, I forgot who's alias he was.


Doesn't matter...he's a DUMBASS, regardless. ;)


I mean, the ultra-lame "Why do you hate America" shit??? PUH-leeeez.......