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Nickdfresh
04-11-2006, 11:03 PM
No, it wasn't an "inside job," but Bush may well have known more than he has said... Did Neo Con factions in the US Gov't prevent pre-9/11 investigations in order to facilitate a terrorist strike in order to justify an invasion of Iraq? I believe it's a distinct possibility. You be the judge...

Published on Saturday, June 1, 2002 by CommonDreams.org (http://www.commondreams.org/cgi-bin/print.cgi?file=/views02/0601-01.htm)

The Bush 9/11 Scandal for Dummies
by Bernard Weiner


Don't know about you, but all this who-knew-what-when pre-9/11 stuff is mighty confusing. So once again, I head to that all-purpose reference series for some comprehensible answers.

Q. I've heard all these reports about the government knowing weeks and months in advance of 9/11 that airliners were going to be hijacked and flown into buildings, and yet the Bush Administration apparently did nothing and denied they did anything wrong. They claimed the fault lay in the intelligence agencies "not connecting the dots," or that it was the "FBI culture" that failed. Can you explain?

A. Most of the "it's-the-fault-of-the-system" spin is designed to deflect attention from the real situation. Bush and his spokesmen may well be correct in saying they had no idea as to the specifics -- they may not have known the exact details of the attacks -- but it is more and more apparent that they knew a great deal more than they're letting on, including the possible targets.

Q. You're not just going leave that hanging out there, are you? Just bash Bush with no evidence to back it up?

A. There's no need to bash anybody. There is more than enough documentation to establish that the Bush Administration was fully aware that a major attack was coming from Al-Qaeda, by air, aimed at symbolic structures on the U.S. mainland, and that among mentioned targets were the World Trade Center, the Pentagon, the White House, the Congress, Statue of Liberty. (According to Richard Clarke, the White House's National Coordinator for Anti-Terrorism, the intelligence community was convinced ten weeks before 9/11 that an Al-Qaeda attack on U.S. soil was imminent.)

Q. If they knew in advance that the, or at least an, attack was coming, why did the Bush Administration do nothing to prepare the country in advance: get photos of suspected terrorists out to airlines, have fighter jets put on emergency-standby status or even in the air as deterrents, get word out to the border police to stop these "watch-list" terrorists, put surface-to-air missiles around the White House and Pentagon, etc.?

A. The explanation preferred by the government is to admit, eight months late, to absolute and horrendous incompetence, up and down the line (although Bush&Co., surprise!, prefer to focus the blame lower down, letting the FBI be the fall guy). But let's try an alternate explanation. Think about it for a moment. If their key goal was to mobilize the country behind the Bush Administration, get their political/business agenda through, have a reason to move unilaterally around the globe, and defang the Democrats and other critics at home -- what better way to do all that than to have Bush be the take-charge leader after a diabolic "sneak attack"?

Q. You're suggesting the ultimate cynical stratagem, purely for political ends. I can't believe that Bush and his cronies are that venal. Isn't it possible that the whole intelligence apparatus just blew it?

A. Possible, but not bloody likely. There certainly is enough blame to spread around, but the evidence indicates that Bush and his closest aides knew that bin Laden was planning a direct attack on the U.S. Mainland -- using airplanes headed for those icon targets -- and, in order to get the country to move in the direction he wanted, he kept silent.

Q. But if that's true, what you've described is utterly indefensible, putting policy ahead of American citizens' lives.

A. Now are you beginning to understand why Bush&Co. are fighting so tenaciously against a blue-ribbon commission of inquiry, and why Bush and Cheney went to Congressional leaders and asked them not to investigate the pre-9/11 period? Now do you understand why they are trying so desperately to keep everything secret, tightly locked up in the White House, only letting drips and drabs get out when there is no other way to avoid Congressional subpoenas or court-ordered disclosures? They know that if one thread of the cover-up unravels, more of their darkest secrets will follow.

Q. You're sounding like a conspiracy nut.

A. For years, we've avoided thinking in those terms, because so many so-called "conspiracies" exist only in someone's fevered imagination. Plus, to think along these lines in this case is depressing, suggesting that American democracy can be so easily manipulated and distorted by a cabal of the greedy and power-hungry. But I'm afraid that's where the evidence leads.

Q. You mean there's proof of Bush complicity in 9/11 locked up in the White House?

A. We wouldn't use the term complicity. So far as we now know, Bush did not order or otherwise arrange for Al-Qaeda's attacks on September 11. But once the attacks happened, the plans Bush&Co. already had drawn up for taking advantage of the tragedy were implemented. A frightened, terrorist-obsessed nation did not realize they'd been the object of another assault, this time by those occupying the White House.

Q. This is startling, and revolting. But I refuse to jump on the conspiracy bandwagon until I see some proof. Bush says he first heard about a "lone" pre-9/11 warning on August 6, and that it was vague and dealt with possible attacks outside the U.S. Why can't we believe him? After all, the FBI and CIA are notorious for their incompetence and bungling. You got a better version that makes sense, I'd love to hear it.

A. Bush and his spinners want us to concentrate on who knew what detail when; it's the old magician's trick of getting you to look elsewhere while he's doing his prestidigitation. We're not talking about a little clue here and another little clue there, or an FBI memo that wasn't shared. We're talking about long-range planning and analysis of what strategic-intelligence agencies and high-level commissions and geopolitical thinkers around the globe -- including those inside the U.S. -- saw for years before 9/11 as likely scenarios in an age of terrorist attacks.

The conclusion about Al-Qaeda, stated again and again for years by government analysts, was basically: "They're coming, by air. Get prepared. They're well-organized, determined, and technically adept. And they want to hit big targets, well-known symbols of America." (There was a 1999 U.S. government study, for example, that pointed out that Al-Qaeda suicide-bombers wanted to crash aircraft into a number of significant Washington targets; during the 199 5 trial of Ramsi Yousef, the mastermind of the 1993 World Trade Center bombing, he revealed plans to dive-bomb a plane into CIA headquarters, and earlier he had told FBI agents that the list was expanded to include the Pentagon and other D.C. targets.)

Elements in the FBI, all over the country, who suspected what was coming, were clamoring, begging, for more agents to be used for counter-terrorism investigations, but were turned down by Attorney General Ashcroft; Ashcroft also gave counter-terrorism short shrift in his budget plans, not even placing anti-terrorism on his priority list; John O'Neill, the FBI's NYC antiterrorism director, resigned, asserting that his attempts at full-scale investigating were being thwarted by higher-ups; someone in the FBI, perhaps on orders of someone higher-up, made sure that the local FBI investigation in Minneapolis of Zacaria Moussauoi was compromised. All this while Ashcroft was shredding the Constitution in his martial law-like desire to amass information, and continues even now to further expand his police-state powers.

(Note: An FBI agent has filed official complaints over the bureau's interfering with antiterrorism investigations; his lawyers include David Schippers, who worked for the GOP side in the Clinton impeachment effort; Schippers says the agent knew in May 2001 that "an attack on lower Manhattan was imminent." A former FBI official said: "I don't buy the idea that we didn't know what was coming...Within 24 hours [of the attack], the Bureau had about 20 people identified, and photos were sent out to the news media. Obviously this information was available in the files and someone was sitting on it.")

One can accept the usual incompetency in intelligence collection and analysis from, say, an anti-terrorist desk officer at the FBI, but not from the highest levels of national defense and intelligence in and around the President, where his spokesman, in a bald-faced lie, told the world that the 9/11 attacks came with "no warning." More recently, National Security Advisor Condoleezza Rice, in a quavering voice, tried to characterize the many warnings as mere "chatter," and concerned attacks "outside the U.S." But the many warning-reports focused on terrorist attacks both inside and outside the United States; the August 6th briefing dealt with planned attacks IN the United States.

Not only were there clear warnings from allies abroad, but the U.S., through its ECHELON and other electronic-intercept programs, may well have broken bin Laden's encryption code; for example, the U.S. knew that he told his mother on September 9: "In two days you're going to hear big news, and you're not going to hear from me for a while".

And, the word of an impending attack was getting out: put options (hedges that a stock's price is going to fall) in enormous quantities were being bought on United Airlines and American Airlines stock, the two carriers of the hijackers, as early as September 7; San Francisco Mayor Willie Brown was warned by "an airport security man" on September 10 to rethink his flight to New York for the next day; Newsweek reported that on September 10, "a group of top Pentagon officials suddenly canceled travel plans for the next morning, apparently because of security concerns"; many members of a Bronx mosque were also warned to stay out of lower Manhattan on September 11, etc. etc.

Q. You're giving me intriguing bits and pieces. Can't you tie it all together and make it make sense?

A. OK, you asked for it, so we're going to provide you with a kind of shorthand scenario of what may well have gone down, a kind of narrative that attempts to tie a lot of disparate-seeming events together. There is voluminous, multi-sourced evidence that establishes this scenario. It's scary, so prepare yourself.

We believe that the HardRight began serious planning for a 2000 electoral victory -- and then implementation of a HardRight agenda, and the destruction of a liberal opposition -- a year or two after Clinton's 1996 victory. (The impeachment of Clinton was a key ingredient to sully Democrat opposition.) The GOP HardRight leaders decided early to select George W. Bush, a none-too-bright and easily malleable young man with the right name and pedigree. They ran into a speed-bump when John McCain began to take off in the public imagination, and so with dirty tricks they wrecked his campaign in the South and elsewhere, and continued on their merry course.

For a while, they fully expected an easy victory over dull Al Gore, tainted goods for a lot of conservative Republicans and others because of his association with Clinton, but, given the obvious limitations of their candidate, they weren't going to take a lot of chances. In Florida, for example, where it looked as if the race might be tight, they early on arranged things -- through Bush's governor-brother Jeb, and the Bush campaign's Katherine Harris, Florida's Secretary of State -- so that George W. couldn't lose. An example: removing tens of thousands of eligible African-American voters from the rolls.

As it turned out, Gore won the popular vote by more than a half-million votes nationwide, and, we now know, would have won Florida's popular vote had all the ballots been counted, but the U.S. Supreme Court HardRight majority, despite its longtime support for states' rights, in a bit of ethical contortionism did a philosophical reverse in midair and ordered the Florida vote-counting to stop and declared Bush the winner, installing a President rather than letting the people decide for themselves.

Q. That's ancient history. I'm interested in 9/11, not tearing at an old scab.

A. OK. We're merely trying to indicate that the HardRight's campaign to take power was not an overnight, post-9/11 whim but worked out long in advance. After so many near-chances to take total control, they would do anything to guarantee a presidential victory this time around -- which would give them full control over the reins of power: Legislature (where HardRightists dominated the House and Senate), the Courts (where the HardRight dominated the U.S. Supreme Court and many appellate courts), and the Executive branch, not to mention the HardRight media control they exerted in so many areas.

They had followed the news, they knew that the Al-Qaeda terrorist network was engaged in a maniacal jihad against America, and was quite capable -- as they had demonstrated on many occasions, from Saudia Arabia to East Africa to the first attempt on the World Trade Center -- of carrying out their threats. They also knew, from innumerable intelligence reports from telecommunications intercepts, and from various commissions, CIA and foreign agents that Al-Qaeda liked to blow up symbolic icon structures of countries targeted, and that Al-Qaeda, and its affiliates, had an affinity for trying to use airplanes as psychological or actual weapons. (The French had foiled one such attack in 1994, where a hijacked commercial airliner would be flown into the Eiffel Tower.)

By early 2001 and into the Summer, warnings were pouring in to U.S. intelligence and military agencies from Jordan, Morocco, Egypt, Tunisia, Israel, and other Middle East and South Asian intelligence sources, along with Russia and Britain and the Philippines, saying that a major attack on the U.S. Mainland was in the works, involving the use of airplanes as weapons of mass destruction.

Indeed, in June and July of 2001, the alerts started to be explicit that air attacks were about to go down in the U.S.; even local FBI offices in Phoenix and Minneapolis began passing warnings up the line about Middle Eastern men acting suspiciously at flight schools. In July, Ashcroft stopped flying on commercial airliners and traveled only by private plane, and Bush, after but a few months in office, announced he was going to ground, spending the month of August on his ranch in Crawford, Texas. Cheney disappeared from view, and our guess is that he was coordinating the overall, post-attack strategy.

Under this scenario, in mid-Summer 2001, Bush&Co. decided this was it. Bin Laden unknowingly was going to deliver them the gift of terrorism, and they were going to run with it as far and as fast and as hard as they could. The various post-attack scenarios had been worked out, the so-called USA Patriot Act -- which contained various police-state eviscerations of the Constitution -- was polished and prepared for a rush-job (with no hearings) through a post-attack Congress, the war plans against the Taliban in Afghanistan were readied and rolled out, the air-base countries around Afghanistan were brought onboard, and so on. All during the Summer of 2001.

Q. I don't understand how war against Afghanistan could have been anticipated so early.

A. Follow the money. Various oil/gas/energy companies had wanted a Central Asian pipeline to run through Afghanistan (costing much less to build, but also so it wouldn't have to go through Russia or Iran); that project was put on hold during the chaos in Afghanistan, but when the Taliban took over and brought stability to that country, the U.S. began negotiating with the Taliban about the pipeline deal. Even after sending them, via the United Nations, $43 million dollars for "poppy-seed eradication," and inviting them to talks in Texas, the Taliban began to balk. At a later meeting, the U.S. negotiator threatened them with an attack unless they handed over bin Laden and reportedly told them, in reference to the pipeline, that they could accept "a carpet of gold" or be buried in "a carpet of bombs." (The later U.S. Government spin was that the bin Laden issue and the pipeline issues were separate, and that the U.S. threats didn't mix the two and there were misunderstandings of what was said.) Shortly thereafter, bin Laden, hiding out in Afghanistan, initiated the September 11th attacks, and the U.S. bombing of that country began. Oh, by the way, in case you haven't noticed, under the new U.S.-friendly government in Kabul, the pipeline project is back on track. Oh, by the way, the pipeline will terminate reasonably close to the power plant in India built by Enron that has been lying dormant for years, waiting for cheap energy supplies.

Q. You're saying that U.S. war and foreign policy have been dictated by greed?

A. Among other pleasant motivations, such as hunger for domination and control, domestically and around the globe -- which always ties in with greed. That's why Bush&Co. play such political and military hardball. That's why the arrogant, take-no-prisoners, in-your-face attitude, to bully and frighten potential opponents into silence and acquiescence, even questioning their patriotism if they demur or raise embarrassing issues.

Q. But this is a democracy, people are still speaking their minds, right?

A. Certainly, there are areas of America's democratic republic that have not yet been shut down. But where there should be a vibrant opposition party, raising all sorts of questions about Bush Administration policy and plans, America receives mostly silence and timidity. However, as more and more of the ugly truth begins to emerge -- and Enron, Anthrax, and pre-9/11 knowledge are just the tips of the iceberg -- the Democrats (and moderate Republicans) are beginning to feel a bit more emboldened. But just a bit, preferring to run for cover whenever Bush&Co. accuse them of being unpatriotic when they raise pointed questions.

Q. You're so critical and negative about the Bush Administration. Can't you say anything good about what they're doing?

A. Yes. They have moved terrorism -- the new face of warfare in our time -- front and center into the world's consciousness, and have mobilized a global coalition against it. They may be making mistakes, which could lead to horrifying consequences, or acting at times out of impure motives, but at least the issue is out there and being debated and acted upon.

Now, having said that, we must point out that the institutions in this country -- the Constitution, the courts, the legislative bodies, civil liberties, the Bill of Rights, the press, etc. -- are in as much danger as they've ever been in. And the U.S.'s bullying attitude abroad may well lead to disastrous consequences for America down the line.

Q. So, what's to be done?

A. The most important thing at the moment -- even, or especially when, the inevitable next terrorist attack occurs -- is to break the illusion of Bush&Co. invulnerability. The best way to do that, aside from ratcheting up the Enron and Anthrax and 9/11 investigations (and it may turn out that those scandals are deeply intertwined), is to defeat GOP candidates in the upcoming November elections. If the Democrats hang on to the Senate and can take over the House, the dream of unchallengable HardRight power will be broken. Bush&Co. will become even more desperate, overt, nasty, and in their arrogance and bullying ways, will make more mistakes and alienate more citizens. The edifice will begin to crumble even more; there will be more and deeper Congressional and media investigations; resignations and/or impeachments (of both Bush & Cheney, and Ashcroft) may well follow.

Q. You're asking me to support ALL Democrats, even though in a particular race a moderate GOP conservative would be better?

A. Yes. In some cases, you may have to hold your nose and send money to, canvass for, and vote for a Democrat; we can get rid of the bad ones later. The objective right now -- for the future of the Constitution, and for the lives of our soldiers in uniform and civilians around the globe -- has to be to break the momentum of the HardRight by taking the House and keeping the Senate from returning to GOP control. Doing so would be even more important than what happened when that courageous senator from Vermont, Jim Jeffords, appalled by the HardRight nastiness and greed-agenda of the Bush folks, resigned from the GOP and turned the Senate agenda over to the Democrats.

Q. And you think if the GOP gets its nose bloodied in the November election, that will convince Bush to resign or lead to his impeachment? I don't get that.

A. Churchill once told the Brits during World War II that "this is not the beginning of the end, but it is the beginning of the beginning of the end." There is a lot of hard work and organizing and educating to be done, but the recent exposure of Bush coverup-lies about pre-9/11 knowledge is "the beginning of the beginning of the end." With a GOP defeat in November, Democrats will be emboldened to speak up more, investigate deeper, and those inquiries will unlock even more awful secrets of this greed-and-powerhungry administration. And that will be the beginning of the end -- and the beginning of the beginning of a new era of more humane values for America and the rest of the world.

Bernard Weiner, Ph.D., has taught American government & international relations at Western Washington University and San Diego State University; he was with the San Francisco Chronicle for nearly 20 years, and has published in The Nation, Village Voice, The Progressive, Northwest Passage and widely on the internet.

LoungeMachine
04-11-2006, 11:20 PM
Originally posted by Nickdfresh
No, it wasn't an "inside job," but Bush may well have known more than he has said... Did Neo Con factions in the US Gov't prevent pre-9/11 investigations in order to facilitate a terrorist strike in order to justify an invasion of Iraq? I believe it's a distinct possibility. You be the judge...

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Nick!!!!!!

Welcome to our world.

No, Chimpy the Dolt didn't "mastermind" an entire attack as BigWarVibe would like to insinuate we believe....

But there are some GLARING holes in the "official" story.


:cool:

Nickdfresh
04-11-2006, 11:26 PM
Originally posted by LoungeMachine
Nick!!!!!!

Welcome to our world.

No, Chimpy the Dolt didn't "mastermind" an entire attack as BigWarVibe would like to insinuate we believe....

But there are some GLARING holes in the "official" story.


:cool:

Well, I've always said that there was some funny shiite that happened around those events, and I don't necessarily agree 100% with the article...

But it's pretty funny that the guys you mentioned above will gladly hop on the "Able Danger" bandwagon because they disbelieve the 9/11 Commission findings (for all of the wrong reasons), but oh NOOOOO!! They'll never question fearless leader. The fact is only a total blinding idiot could believe that no attack was imminent...

And while Bush may fill that bill, some of the people in his small, insular inner-circle don't. On one level or another, THEY KNEW A TERROR ATTACK WAS IMMINENT, and did nothing so they could look like golden-heroes...

Warham
04-12-2006, 07:31 AM
Originally posted by LoungeMachine
Nick!!!!!!

Welcome to our world.

No, Chimpy the Dolt didn't "mastermind" an entire attack as BigWarVibe would like to insinuate we believe....

But there are some GLARING holes in the "official" story.


:cool:

'Welcome to our world', indeed.

Nick doesn't need to be pushed over the cliff like the others here.

EAT MY ASSHOLE
04-12-2006, 09:56 AM
Hmmmm....

LoungeMachine
04-12-2006, 10:00 AM
Originally posted by Warham
'Welcome to our world', indeed.

Nick doesn't need to be pushed over the cliff like the others here.

Simple question for you......

Who spent more time, energy, and money fighting al Qaeda and "terorism" in general?

Clinton in his last year in office
or
Bush in his first year in office


And was the 1993 WTC attack, which occurred 38 days into Clinton's term Poppy's fault?

And which administration has the better capture and CONVICTION track record?



You hate to admit it, but YOUR guys were caught sitting on their thumbs.

We just want to know if it was intentional, since they were so bent on Invading Iraq from the start.

LoungeMachine
04-12-2006, 10:01 AM
Originally posted by Warham
'Welcome to our world', indeed.

Nick doesn't need to be pushed over the cliff like the others here.

No, you Bush Lemmings fall over it all by yourselves ;)

Warham
04-12-2006, 10:08 AM
Originally posted by LoungeMachine
Simple question for you......

Who spent more time, energy, and money fighting al Qaeda and "terorism" in general?

Clinton in his last year in office
or
Bush in his first year in office


And was the 1993 WTC attack, which occurred 38 days into Clinton's term Poppy's fault?

And which administration has the better capture and CONVICTION track record?



You hate to admit it, but YOUR guys were caught sitting on their thumbs.

We just want to know if it was intentional, since they were so bent on Invading Iraq from the start.

I think Clinton did a piss poor job in the years leading up to 9/11, and I think Bush did a piss poor job his first year on the job. Clinton had at least three chances to have bin Laden handed to him by foreign governments and refused each time, going as far back as 1996.

Bush apparently didn't take Al Qaeda very seriously when he entered office. He was more than likely more worried about domestic matters at that point.

The 1993 attack was the terrorists' fault, not the fault of either president.

Which president has the better record for captures and convictions? I'll get back to you after Bush's term is over.

diamondD
04-12-2006, 11:05 AM
Anyone read about the cockpit recording of Flight 93 being played in the trial today?

Moussaoui trial (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12280813/)


ALEXANDRIA, Va. - Federal prosecutors seeking the execution of Zacarias Moussaoui figuratively placed the jury aboard doomed Flight 93 for its last searing moments, playing a recording in which the Sept. 11, 2001, hijackers were heard ordering passengers to “shut up” and “sit.”

The United Air Lines flight crashed in a Pennsylvania field as passengers tried to retake the plane — a cockpit voice recording played publicly Wednesday for the first time — as the jury heard evidence on whether to give Moussaoui, an admitted terrorist conspirator, the death sentence.

The recording began with the hijackers’ voice clearly stating “ladies and gentlemen, this is the captain ... we have a bomb on board, so sit.”

For the next few minutes, passengers are repeatedly told, ’Don’t move,” “Shut up” “Sit,” and “down down down.”

An air traffic voice says, “Is that United 93 calling?”

A translation of the hijackers’ Arabic words was provided to the jury. At one point a hijacker is heard to say “In the name of Allah, most merciful, most compassionate.”

There’s a voice in the cockpit saying “Please don’t hurt me. Oh God!” Then a few seconds later somebody says “I don’t want to die!” three times.

Groans from cockpit
Then there are what sound like groans in the cockpit. Then in Arabic a couple of minutes later, a voice of a hijiacker says “Everything is fine. I finished.” He said that around the time that the plane is turning back toward Washington.

As the jury heard the recording, prosecutors played a video presentation that simultaneously showed the flight path, speed and heading in a mockup similar to a flight simulator.

In the final minutes of Flight 93, passengers attempted to retake the plane at which point the hijackers crashed it into the western Pennsylvania field. The plane had been headed for the U.S. Capitol, according to Sept. 11 mastermind Khalid Shaikh Mohammed.

Moussaoui is the only person charged in this country in connection with the Sept. 11 attacks. The jury deciding his fate has already declared him eligible for the death penalty by determining that his actions caused at least one death on 9/11.

Even though he was in jail in Minnesota at the time of the attacks, the jury ruled that lies told by Moussaoui to federal agents a month before the attacks kept them from identifying and stopping some of the hijackers.
Death or life in prison?
Now they must decide whether Moussaoui deserves execution or life in prison.

Defense lawyers say the jury should spare Moussaoui’s life because of his limited role in the attacks, evidence that he is mentally ill and because his execution would only play into his dream of martyrdom.

diamondD
04-12-2006, 11:06 AM
After several days of testimony related to the attacks on the World Trade Center in New York, the focus shifted Tuesday to the Pentagon, where the jury saw some of the most gruesome evidence in the trial.

Several photos showed badly burned bodies, facial features still discernible. Defense lawyers objected unsuccessfully to their display.

Officer testified
Lt. Col. John Thurman testified that when the Pentagon was hit, he thought a bomb had exploded, then later described a sensation similar to an earthquake as the plane moved under his second floor office.

Thurman crawled through the office, unable to lift his head above the carpet because the smoke was too intense. He said he felt an overwhelming need to take a nap and “that’s when it hit me: I’m going to die. And I got very angry. Angry that terrorists would take my life on the same day my parents were getting their first grandchild” (from his sister).

“I realized I had to get out. I pushed file cabinets with all of my strength and found an opening,” Thurman said.

Thurman left the Pentagon coughing up black soot and was taken to a hospital. He fully recovered from his injuries after a weeklong hospital stay that included a medically induced coma.

“I feel incredibly lucky,” he said. “But there’s guilt about getting the lucky break.”

Also on Tuesday, the judge issued an order requiring an unidentified individual to be produced for testimony. The order apparently applied to would-be shoe bomber Richard Reid — defense lawyers issued a subpoena last week seeking his testimony. Prosecutors had opposed the subpoena.

Moussaoui testified previously that he and Reid were going to hijack a fifth plane on Sept. 11 and fly it into the White House. The defense lawyers, who have tried to discredit their client’s credibility, have said Moussaoui is exaggerating his role in Sept. 11 to inflate his role in history.

Guitar Shark
04-12-2006, 11:45 AM
Originally posted by diamondD
Anyone read about the cockpit recording of Flight 93 being played in the trial today?


I did, and I can't wait to hear FORD's attempt to explain it all away.

diamondD
04-12-2006, 02:53 PM
Yep, it's hard to deny that one. It will be years before they let those tapes get played, just due to the sensitivity to the families.

Kinda takes the wind out of the old BSCE-govt operatives crap.

bobgnote
04-12-2006, 03:05 PM
Hi, ******Z, you might notice that with the illegal, INFLATIONARY power deals of 2000-1, particularly in the wake of those by arch-Zionist, former Ca.Gov.Gray Davis, YOU may not have BOTH your illegal power deals AND military aid to Israel, since you have allowed your speed-freak Democratic-Republicans to GUT YOUR FUNDING INFRASTRUCTURE.

That you let BRAC happen in the interim, between when Hadj knocks your asses out of your dodges and Dodger games and Doggie-Dogg dreamworld in 2008 and 9/11/2001 speaks volumes about your corruption and your need for a radical Islamic spanking, which you are going to get! Only that will ease your ******ITIS, illegally white, much too Catholic, and illegally proximate, Jackson-assholes looking to molest each other and THEN tell the Arabs they are 'anti-Semites.'

You GEEKS sure are stupid, white-outed ******Z! Chuckie-the-doll, inside! Scratch YOU, you're all rock ******z. Don't scratch me again, ROCK ******Z. You won't learn to PLAY, from me OR from your cool-kikes like Stern or Roth. I WON'T play, they CANNOT play rock MUSIC. But from your DUTCH, like EddieupYOURS, you will learn REAGANOMICS, as in, your hemerrhoids are gonna get a FLAREUP.

Sorry about your assholes, for fucking on, neo-con GEEKS inside, pretending you are the conservative-faggot-POPE or Rummy or Cheney. But in reality, you who pretend 'conservatism' are prisoners.

Shit-******z. With that crack up your ass reaching all the way around to that forest of dingleberries, YOU NEED A SHAVE, NEO-CON GEEKS!!

Warham
04-12-2006, 03:08 PM
What the hell was that?

jhale667
04-12-2006, 03:09 PM
Originally posted by Warham
What the hell was that?

The ramblings of a racist crackhead...pay him no mind...;)

bobgnote
04-12-2006, 05:10 PM
NickD story, pasted in relevant part:

"Not only were there clear warnings from allies abroad, but the U.S., through its ECHELON and other electronic-intercept programs, may well have broken bin Laden's encryption code; for example, the U.S. knew that he told his mother on September 9: "In two days you're going to hear big news, and you're not going to hear from me for a while".

And, the word of an impending attack was getting out: put options (hedges that a stock's price is going to fall) in enormous quantities were being bought on United Airlines and American Airlines stock, the two carriers of the hijackers, as early as September 7; San Francisco Mayor Willie Brown was warned by "an airport security man" on September 10 to rethink his flight to New York for the next day; Newsweek reported that on September 10, "a group of top Pentagon officials suddenly canceled travel plans for the next morning, apparently because of security concerns"; many members of a Bronx mosque were also warned to stay out of lower Manhattan on September 11, etc. etc."

After the illegal power deals were enacted in CALIFORNIA, Summer 2001, you do not get to have THOSE and your military aid to ISRAEL!

******z. ******z! ******Z!! 2008 is only a moment of ******-time, away! You MUST get your ******-shit TOGETHER, before then! And that means, you have to ACCEPT that 9/11 WAS INCITED, Al Queda WAS COERCED TO ATTACK, and more is on the way, since you all blew off Al Queda's warning, but 25th anniversary of FAIR WARNING, and YOU ROCK ******Z are all about how THAT Brown-shit wrapper take-off on MY drunken 1970s college days in BERKELEY on the rooftop of Barrington Hall with a little Gibson amp, under Ronald Reagan's finest surveillance is A MODERN WARNING, that YOU cannot have more rock, but you may have more REAGAN and REAGANOMICS, at any, lousy moment! You sorry rock-****** turdpies cannot play OR wait, well.

No more rock hits are on the way. YOU BLEW IT, and here comes radical Islamic justice, to correct your thinking, really soon, by 2008.

Guitar Shark
04-12-2006, 07:17 PM
No comment, FORD?

FORD
04-12-2006, 08:48 PM
Originally posted by Guitar Shark
No comment, FORD?

Not unless I eat about half a sheet of acid first!

sadaist
04-12-2006, 09:16 PM
For some reason, I have a problem with this part of the article...

"Q. You're asking me to support ALL Democrats, even though in a particular race a moderate GOP conservative would be better?

A. Yes. In some cases, you may have to hold your nose and send money to, canvass for, and vote for a Democrat; we can get rid of the bad ones later..."

Nickdfresh
04-12-2006, 09:34 PM
Originally posted by Warham
I think Clinton did a piss poor job in the years leading up to 9/11, and I think Bush did a piss poor job his first year on the job. Clinton had at least three chances to have bin Laden handed to him by foreign governments and refused each time, going as far back as 1996.

Bush apparently didn't take Al Qaeda very seriously when he entered office. He was more than likely more worried about domestic matters at that point.

The 1993 attack was the terrorists' fault, not the fault of either president.

Which president has the better record for captures and convictions? I'll get back to you after Bush's term is over.

Clinton did a "piss poor job?" He did something, and when he did, he was "wagging the dog," remember? Oh, how inconvenient... And he didn't allow a major attack on US soil (except the one perpetrated by rightist white people born-Christian)...

BTW WAR, how did the guy in your avatar do with terrorism?

FORD
04-12-2006, 10:23 PM
Originally posted by sadaist
For some reason, I have a problem with this part of the article...

"Q. You're asking me to support ALL Democrats, even though in a particular race a moderate GOP conservative would be better?

A. Yes. In some cases, you may have to hold your nose and send money to, canvass for, and vote for a Democrat; we can get rid of the bad ones later..."

What he's referring to here is someone like Joe Lieberman, who claims to be a Democrat, but votes with the neocon shitbag agenda. On the other hand, many north eastern Republicans are moderates who vote against their party.

However, Congressional committee chairs are determined by the majority party, and so for Chimpeachment, or even serious investigation of this Fraudministrations lies to begin, then the majority of both houses need a "D" after their name, regardless of their actual voting records.

Fortunately, if your district is represented by a fake Democrat, you have the primary to get rid of them. But in November, the ONLY issue is checks and balances. Without which we have dictatorship. And that's no exaggeration.

Nickdfresh
04-12-2006, 10:28 PM
It's time for round two of our thought experiment...

Evidence that supports this theory..

The things I've noticed...

LoungeMachine
04-12-2006, 10:31 PM
Originally posted by Warham
I


He was more than likely more worried about domestic matters at that point.

The 1993 attack was the terrorists' fault, not the fault of either president.

Which president has the better record for captures and convictions? I'll get back to you after Bush's term is over.


Which domestic matters did he "worry" about? :rolleyes:

If 93 was the "terorist's" fault, why have you blamed Clinton in here for 9/11? why THE HYPOCRITICAL DOUBLE STANDARD?

Yeah, you get back to me.......:rolleyes:

Nickdfresh
04-12-2006, 10:36 PM
Links:

FBI Agent Says 9/11 Plot Was Within Grasp (http://www.rotharmy.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=34845)

Able Danger (http://www.rotharmy.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=29923)


Able Danger (http://www.rotharmy.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=26525)
9) Sean Hannity

Right-wing blowhard Sean Hannity has been leading the charge recently to spread propaganda about "Able Danger," a military intelligence unit that allegedly identified 9/11 hijacker Mohammed Atta as an Al Qaeda operative in early 2000. Hannity has, of course, been practically wetting his pants over the opportunity to blame Bill Clinton for 9/11.

There's just one problem. Well, a couple of problems actually. First, Hannity and friends have been accusing the Clinton administration of creating a "wall" between the intelligence agencies prior to 9/11, which prevented them from sharing data about Al Qaeda. Unfortunately that's not true - the "wall" was actually created by the justice departments under Ronald Reagan and George H.W. Bush.

Second, it turns out that one of the guys involved with Able Danger was a general by the name of Pete Schoomaker, who, according to research done at DailyKos, "repeatedly told [intelligence agents] Philpott and Shaffer that they could not inform the FBI as DoD lawyers had opined that Atta's Green Card made him a 'US Person,' that the so-called 'Gorelick Wall' prevented talking to the FBI - even though Atta was part of al-Qaeda. Shaffer and Philpott were actually ordered to put yellow sticky pads over the faces of the 4 terrorists on their Analyst Notebook chart and act as thought they don't exist."

Where is General Pete Schoomaker now? Well, he retired in December 2000, and then - would you believe it - he was hand-picked by Donald Rumsfeld to replace General Shinseki as Army Chief of Staff in 2003. How nice.

Finally, the Bush administration weren't exactly on top of the terrorist threat. Aside from ignoring Richard Clarke, the Hart-Rudman report, the infamous August 6 PDB, and other warnings about terrorism, they also dismantled Able Danger in February of 2001, just weeks after coming to power.

Gee, I hope this story doesn't come back to bite Sean Hannity in the ass. That would be unfortunate.


52-Warnings of 72-Virgins (http://www.rotharmy.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=16850)

Bush was warned (http://www.rotharmy.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=28088)

So, the gov't and the Administration had no idea something, but not necessarily what exactly, was about to happen in the late summer of 2001? Oh, I think not my friends...

Warham
04-13-2006, 07:21 AM
Originally posted by Nickdfresh
Clinton did a "piss poor job?" He did something, and when he did, he was "wagging the dog," remember? Oh, how inconvenient... And he didn't allow a major attack on US soil (except the one perpetrated by rightist white people born-Christian)...

BTW WAR, how did the guy in your avatar do with terrorism?

Yeah, I said he did a piss poor job, and he did.

Every American President up until 9/11 didn't take terrorism seriously, and that includes Reagan.

I love Reagan for many, many other reasons though.

:)

Warham
04-13-2006, 07:28 AM
Originally posted by LoungeMachine
Which domestic matters did he "worry" about? :rolleyes:

If 93 was the "terorist's" fault, why have you blamed Clinton in here for 9/11? why THE HYPOCRITICAL DOUBLE STANDARD?

Yeah, you get back to me.......:rolleyes:

I've said 9/11 was the terrorists fault as well.

It's ONLY when you guys have insinuated that it was Bush's fault that I've said it was Slick Willie's fault.

If I was so bent on blaming Clinton for terrorist attacks, why wouldn't I blame him for '93 as well? I didn't, therefore there is no double standard.

diamondD
04-13-2006, 08:16 AM
Originally posted by FORD
Not unless I eat about half a sheet of acid first!

I wondered how you can dream up most of your stuff. Now it's all coming together. ;)

LoungeMachine
04-13-2006, 10:07 AM
Originally posted by Warham




It's ONLY when you guys have insinuated that it was Bush's fault that I've said it was Slick Willie's fault.

.


:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

And what were the domestic issues Chimpy was "worrying" about in 2001 again?

FORD
04-13-2006, 10:26 AM
Originally posted by diamondD
I wondered how you can dream up most of your stuff. Now it's all coming together. ;)

Nope. Only tried it twice, and the last time was when Poppy was in office. I was merely explaining to Matt what it would take for me to interpret a BobGSchizo rant.

diamondD
04-13-2006, 10:28 AM
That wasn't what he was asking you to comment on and you know it. :rolleyes:

FORD
04-13-2006, 10:30 AM
Originally posted by diamondD
That wasn't what he was asking you to comment on and you know it. :rolleyes:

That's what it looked like to me, since his post immediately followed Schizo Bob's.

diamondD
04-13-2006, 10:32 AM
Originally posted by diamondD
Anyone read about the cockpit recording of Flight 93 being played in the trial today?




Originally posted by Guitar Shark
I did, and I can't wait to hear FORD's attempt to explain it all away.


Whatever.

LoungeMachine
04-13-2006, 10:32 AM
Originally posted by Warham


It's ONLY when you guys have insinuated that it was Bush's fault that I've said it was Slick Willie's fault.



This statement is a lie.

Nickdfresh
04-13-2006, 10:37 AM
Originally posted by LoungeMachine
This statement is a lie.

And this is true...

I've never seen WAR do anything but jump on the BBB/Lucky Wilbury bandwagon of myopic "Clinton let 'em get away" BS...

LoungeMachine
04-13-2006, 10:41 AM
Originally posted by Nickdfresh
And this is true...

I've never seen WAR do anything but jump on the BBB/Lucky Wilbury bandwagon of myopic "Clinton let 'em get away" BS...


Yep.

It's the Rush/Hannity/O'Really line drilled into him.


He lied when he made that statement. He knows it. :cool:

LoungeMachine
04-13-2006, 10:42 AM
If he had said USUALLY......


But he didn't.

He cap locked ONLY.

And that's a lie.

LoungeMachine
04-13-2006, 10:44 AM
But the funny thing is, he now claims the ONLY reason he blamed Clinton was because us big bad lefty meanies blamed the Commander in Chief who was actually in office at the time.

But of course he's not a Bush supporter in here......


LMMFAO

Guitar Shark
04-13-2006, 10:59 AM
Originally posted by diamondD
Whatever. [/B]

It's ok, Jeff, he made his position clear in the other thread. How do those blinders fit, FORD?

LoungeMachine
04-13-2006, 01:02 PM
Originally posted by FORD
That's what it looked like to me, since his post immediately followed Schizo Bob's.

With all due respect FORD.......

You're pulling a Scottie McClellan here.....



However I fail to see how the Flt 93 tapes in any way shape or form clear BushCO from complicity in the 9/11 attacks.....


But I do need to score this little skirmish to D2


Soory, FORD:(

LoungeMachine
04-13-2006, 01:03 PM
Originally posted by Guitar Shark
It's ok, Jeff, he made his position clear in the other thread. How do those blinders fit, FORD?


There is NO shortage of irony in your claim of FORD wearing blinders, Counselor......

LoungeMachine
04-13-2006, 01:05 PM
I wasn't finished, you fucking ENTER key.........


The "Liberal" media has had cheap sunglasses on this entire time.....


Wake up and smell the complicity

Guitar Shark
04-13-2006, 01:14 PM
Originally posted by LoungeMachine
I wasn't finished, you fucking ENTER key.........


The "Liberal" media has had cheap sunglasses on this entire time.....


Wake up and smell the complicity

You won't get any arguments from me about the media. BUT, that doesn't make FORD's ridiculous conspiracy theories any less ridiculous.

LoungeMachine
04-13-2006, 01:36 PM
Originally posted by Guitar Shark
You won't get any arguments from me about the media. BUT, that doesn't make FORD's ridiculous conspiracy theories any less ridiculous.

They're not ridiculous.

He may go overboard with the whole "The BCE stole my lunch money" crap, but he's on the mark with the theory that this administration had prior knowledge of what was to occur, and that they are not being candid with the American people about what they knew, and they KNEW they could use it as their JUSTIFICATION for their long planned for overthrow and occupation of Iraq.


IRAQ HAS NOTHING WHATSOEVER TO DO WITH 9/11


Even an ambulance chasing rat city resident can figure that out ;)

LoungeMachine
04-13-2006, 01:38 PM
And before BigWarVibe tries the lame ass "we're fighting a war on terror" crapola........


Iraq is now the PREMIERE breeding and training ground for global terror.

Did it ever occur to Rummy to secure the borders? Hmmm?

Guitar Shark
04-13-2006, 01:53 PM
Originally posted by LoungeMachine
They're not ridiculous.

He may go overboard with the whole "The BCE stole my lunch money" crap, but he's on the mark with the theory that this administration had prior knowledge of what was to occur, and that they are not being candid with the American people about what they knew, and they KNEW they could use it as their JUSTIFICATION for their long planned for overthrow and occupation of Iraq.


IRAQ HAS NOTHING WHATSOEVER TO DO WITH 9/11



I don't have any problem with that, if it's all you're saying. I agree that Iraq is a stupid distraction, and I have believed that from day one.

The problem I have is when people continue to tout ridiculous theories such as the "BCE controlled demolition" theory and the "planes weren't hijacked by Arabs with boxcutters" theory and the "that wasn't a plane that hit the Pentagon" theory and "the black box was never found, so it wasn't a commercial airline" theory, the "that wasn't Osama in that video, it was a BCE stooge" theory, etc. etc.

knuckleboner
04-13-2006, 01:55 PM
Originally posted by LoungeMachine
They're not ridiculous.

He may go overboard with the whole "The BCE stole my lunch money" crap, but he's on the mark with the theory that this administration had prior knowledge of what was to occur, and that they are not being candid with the American people about what they knew, and they KNEW they could use it as their JUSTIFICATION for their long planned for overthrow and occupation of Iraq.


IRAQ HAS NOTHING WHATSOEVER TO DO WITH 9/11




dude, i'm sure there's plenty of evidence to show that the administration did not handle pre-9/11 intel, security, etc. well. but it's a HUGE leap (without ANY credible evidence) to say that they intentionally let it happen to further an unrelated goal. huge leap.

Guitar Shark
04-13-2006, 01:56 PM
Originally posted by knuckleboner
dude, i'm sure there's plenty of evidence to show that the administration did not handle pre-9/11 intel, security, etc. well. but it's a HUGE leap (without ANY credible evidence) to say that they intentionally let it happen to further an unrelated goal. huge leap.

Yup, that's where I part ways with some of these guys.

LoungeMachine
04-13-2006, 02:30 PM
Originally posted by Guitar Shark
I don't have any problem with that, if it's all you're saying. I agree that Iraq is a stupid distraction, and I have believed that from day one.

The problem I have is when people continue to tout ridiculous theories such as the "BCE controlled demolition" theory and the "planes weren't hijacked by Arabs with boxcutters" theory and the "that wasn't a plane that hit the Pentagon" theory and "the black box was never found, so it wasn't a commercial airline" theory, the "that wasn't Osama in that video, it was a BCE stooge" theory, etc. etc.

There HAVE been videos with OBL stand ins.....

Just as there are videos with SH stand ins.....

And I believe crazy arabs hijacked airliners with box cutters......

just as I believe Oswald fired from the 6th floor........

But neither acted alone, or without alot of help.......

Why am I suddenly posting like Pojo with sentences and too many periods.......?

LMAO

Warham
04-13-2006, 03:47 PM
Originally posted by LoungeMachine
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

And what were the domestic issues Chimpy was "worrying" about in 2001 again?

I dunno....a crappy economy after the recession would be good for starters?

Bush's 2000 platform was all about reducing taxes to get the economy going again, and that was his priority when he took office.

Warham
04-13-2006, 03:49 PM
Originally posted by Nickdfresh
And this is true...

I've never seen WAR do anything but jump on the BBB/Lucky Wilbury bandwagon of myopic "Clinton let 'em get away" BS...

Well, he did...

Like I said, none of them did anything worth writing home about in regards to terrorism.

diamondD
04-13-2006, 04:25 PM
Originally posted by LoungeMachine
With all due respect FORD.......

You're pulling a Scottie McClellan here.....



However I fail to see how the Flt 93 tapes in any way shape or form clear BushCO from complicity in the 9/11 attacks.....


But I do need to score this little skirmish to D2


Soory, FORD:(


LOL The record's a lot like the record of the Harlem Globetrotters vs the Washington Generals. :D ;)

diamondD
04-13-2006, 04:28 PM
Originally posted by Guitar Shark
I don't have any problem with that, if it's all you're saying. I agree that Iraq is a stupid distraction, and I have believed that from day one.

The problem I have is when people continue to tout ridiculous theories such as the "BCE controlled demolition" theory and the "planes weren't hijacked by Arabs with boxcutters" theory and the "that wasn't a plane that hit the Pentagon" theory and "the black box was never found, so it wasn't a commercial airline" theory, the "that wasn't Osama in that video, it was a BCE stooge" theory, etc. etc.

Yeah, I wasn't trying to resolve the government's involvement. But I have heard enough of the "not the plane, no arab hijackers, passengers worked for the govt, etc BS" for so long, I was just interested in hearing how he was going to just dismiss these tapes as fakes without a fact in the world backing him up. It shatters a lot of the theories he's floated over the last 4-5 years about this stuff.

But remember FORD, people that don't pay attention to the facts are stupid. Your quote.

LoungeMachine
04-13-2006, 04:34 PM
Originally posted by diamondD
LOL The record's a lot like the record of the Harlem Globetrotters vs the Washington Generals. :D ;)


Yeah, and you've still got a little confetti left on your shoulders, bro ;)

Nickdfresh
04-13-2006, 10:41 PM
Originally posted by Guitar Shark
I don't have any problem with that, if it's all you're saying. I agree that Iraq is a stupid distraction, and I have believed that from day one.

The problem I have is when people continue to tout ridiculous theories such as the "BCE controlled demolition" theory and the "planes weren't hijacked by Arabs with boxcutters" theory and the "that wasn't a plane that hit the Pentagon" theory and "the black box was never found, so it wasn't a commercial airline" theory, the "that wasn't Osama in that video, it was a BCE stooge" theory, etc. etc.


The events of 9/11 happened as presented (for the most part), it's the inexcusable, unexplainable, lapses in logic prior to the attacks that this article questions...

Personally, I do not believe Bush and his Admin lackeys had the idea that a terrorist strike would be a suicide mission into the WTC, Pentagon, and a PA field...

They were probably thinking of something more along the lines of an incident mentioned in the article, the hijacking of a French airliner that was stormed by the French counter-terrorist GIGN teams... It was spectacular footage that had (mostly) a happy ending... I don't believe they actively encouraged it in any way, but I do believe they passively allowed it to happen in order to facilitate a "wake-up call."

LoungeMachine
04-14-2006, 12:29 AM
Originally posted by Nickdfresh




, but I do believe they passively allowed it to happen in order to facilitate a "wake-up call."






So do I.

And that, in and of itself is grounds for LIFE WITHOUT PAROLE FOR THE WHOLE GOD DAMN ADMINISTRATION. :mad:

Throw away the fucking key, and have the twins washed and brought to my tent.:cool:

LoungeMachine
04-14-2006, 12:31 AM
Originally posted by diamondD
Yeah, I wasn't trying to resolve the government's involvement. .

Am I reading this right.?

You feel there's a "government involvement" to resolve?

A voice of reason from the Right. :cool:

Hardrock69
04-18-2006, 09:31 AM
Bush Defector To Demolish
911 Lies On May 6
4-18-6


The former top economist in Bush's Department of Labor, Morgan Reynolds, will speak out on the 9/11 inside job at the State Historical Society, University of Wisconsin-Madison on Saturday, May 6th. The film Loose Change will be shown, and refreshments served, starting at 1 p.m, and Reynolds will speak at 3:00 p.m.

Dr. Reynolds, who holds three U.W.-Madison degrees, and who is currently Professor of Economics at Texas A&M University, will present evidence that top Bush Administration officials orchestrated the controlled demolition of the World Trade Center, and the murder of almost 2,500 Americans, as a pretext for initiating their pre-planned "long war" in the Middle East.

"While more Americans doubt the 9/11 story every week, evidence abounds that many have a mental block against rational examination of the evidence about 9/11" writes Dr. Reynolds in a recent article. This mental block, he thinks, amounts to willful ignorance-not just about 9/11, but about history.

"Governments throughout history have provoked or staged attacks on their own people to serve the powers behind the throne ('the money power'), glorify themselves, engage in vast government spending, reward friends, exert domestic control, stimulate the juices of war, annex neighbors and pursue vast geostrategic rearrangements (the 'global domination project)" Reynolds asserts. He notes that every member of the Joint Chiefs of Staff signed off on the "Operation Northwoods" plan to murder Americans in fake "Cuban terrorist" attacks in 1962. The planned Operation Northwoods murders of ordinary Americans in fake terrorist bombings and a fake "airliner shoot-down" would have involved hundreds of military and intelligence personnel. Yet the existence of Operation Northwoods was successfully kept secret from the American people for forty years until James Bamford revealed it in his book Body of Secrets, published in January 2002.

Though government officials have historically been able to successfully conceal their fake or arranged war-trigger attacks long enough to avoid being hanged for treason, Reynolds thinks the 9/11 cover-up has already unraveled. "Skepticism about conspiracy, small or large, is somewhat beside the point in the case of 9/11 because the official Osama-and-Nineteen-Young-Arabs (ONYA) conspiracy tale is so farcical and impossible. Nearly everyone in America has easy access to the internet and hundreds of websites expose the 9/11 fraud." (Morgan Reynolds, "Conspiracy and Closed Minds on 9/11": http://nomoregames.net/index.php?page=911 )

Reynolds argues that the Twin Towers and World Trade Center Building 7 were destroyed in a manner that can only be explained by controlled demolition with pre-planted explosives-which should not be surprising, since no steel framed high-rises have ever collapsed in the way the three World Trade Center buildings did for any other reason. In his article "Why Did the World Trade Center Skyscrapers Collapse?" Reynolds writes that among the many features of the WTC demolitions that suggest explosives, rather than jet-fuel fires, are:

1. Fire had never before caused steel-frame buildings to collapse except for the three buildings on 9/11, nor has fire collapsed any steel high rise since 9/11.

2. The fires, especially in the South Tower and WTC-7, were small.

3. WTC-7 was unharmed by an airplane and had only minor fires on the seventh and twelfth floors of this 47-story steel building yet it collapsed in less than 10 seconds.

4. WTC-5 and WTC-6 had raging fires but did not collapse despite much thinner steel beams (pp. 68-9).

5. In a PBS documentary, Larry Silverstein, the WTC lease-holder, recalled talking to the fire department commander on 9/11 about WTC-7 and said, ".maybe the smartest thing to do is pull it," slang for demolish it.

6. FEMA, given the uninviting task of explaining the collapse of Building 7 with mention of demolition verboten admitted that the best it could come up with had "only a low probability of occurrence."

7. It's difficult if not impossible for hydrocarbon fires like those fed by jet fuel (kerosene) to raise the temperature of steel close to melting.

Professional demolition, by contrast, can explain all of these facts and more. Demolition means placing explosives throughout a building, and detonating them in sequence to weaken "the structure so it collapses or folds in upon itself". In conventional demolitions gravity does most of the work, although it probably did a minority on

9/11, so heavily were the towers honeycombed with explosives.

1. Each WTC building collapse occurred at virtually free-fall speed (approximately 10 seconds or less).

2. Each building collapsed, for the most part, into its own footprint.

3. Virtually all the concrete (an estimated 100,000 tons in each tower) on every floor was pulverized into a very fine dust, a phenomenon that requires enormous energy and could not be caused by gravity alone (".workers can't even find concrete. 'It's all dust,' [the official] said").

4. Dust exploded horizontally for a couple hundred feet, as did debris, at the beginning of each tower's collapse.

5. Collapses were total, leaving none of the massive core columns sticking up hundreds of feet into the air.

6. Salvage experts were amazed at how small the debris stacks were.

7. The steel beams and columns came down in sections under 30 feet long and had no signs of "softening"; there was little left but shorn sections of steel and a few bits of concrete.

8. Photos and videos of the collapses all show "demolition waves," meaning "confluent rows of small explosions" along floors (blast sequences).

9. According to many witnesses, explosions occurred within the buildings.

10. Each collapse had detectable seismic vibrations suggestive of underground explosions, similar to the 2.3 earthquake magnitude from a demolition like the Seattle Kingdome (p. 108).

11. Each collapse produced molten steel identical to that generated by explosives, resulting in "hot spots" that persisted for months (the two hottest spots at WTC-2 and WTC-7 were approximately 1,350o F five days after being continuously flooded with water, a temperature high enough to melt aluminum (p. 70). ("Why Did the Trade Center Skyscrapers Collapse?" by Morgan Reynolds: http://nomoregames.net/index.php?page=911 )

The apparent demolition of the three skyscrapers, and a perhaps inadvertent statement by heavily-insured WTC landlord Larry Silverstein that WTC-7 was "pulled" (slang for "demolished") can be viewed on many 9/11 truth DVDs and web-videos, including Loose Change, 9/11 Eyewitness, 9/11 and the American Empire, (Dr. David Griffin), and 9/11 Revisited (Dr. Steven Jones). Dr. Reynolds' articles on 9/11 and other matters can be found at http://nomoregames.net .
The videos, and further information about Dr. Reynolds' May 6th speech, are available from the event's sponsor, the Madison-based Muslim-Jewish-Christian Alliance for 9/11 Truth:

http://mujca.com

Nickdfresh
09-20-2006, 10:49 PM
Bump!

Nickdfresh
08-25-2007, 01:01 PM
A nice overview on the LIHOP conspiracy school here. (http://www.halexandria.org/dward255.htm)

Required reading:

This War on Terrorism is Bogus


The 9/11 attacks gave the US an ideal pretext to use force to secure its global domination

Michael Meacher

Saturday September 6, 2003

http://www.guardian.co.uk The Guardian

Massive attention has now been given - and rightly so - to the reasons why Britain went to war

against Iraq. But far too little attention has focused on why the US went to war, and that throws

light on British motives too. The conventional explanation is that after the Twin Towers were hit,

retaliation against al-Qaida bases in Afghanistan was a natural first step in launching a global

war against terrorism. Because Saddam Hussein was alleged by the US and UK governments

to retain weapons of mass destruction, the war could be extended to Iraq as well. However this

theory does not fit all the facts. The truth may be a great deal murkier.



We now know that a blueprint for the creation of a global Pax Americana was drawn up for Dick

Cheney (now vice-president), Donald Rumsfeld (defence secretary), Paul Wolfowitz (Rumsfeld’s

deputy), Jeb Bush (George Bush’s younger brother) and Lewis Libby (Cheney’s chief of staff).

The document, entitled Rebuilding America’s Defences, was written in September 2000 by the

neoconservative think tank, Project for the New American Century (PNAC).



The plan shows Bush’s cabinet intended to take military control of the Gulf region whether or not

Saddam Hussein was in power. It says “while the unresolved conflict with Iraq provides the im-

mediate justification, the need for a substantial American force presence in the Gulf transcends

the issue of the regime of Saddam Hussein.”



The PNAC blueprint supports an earlier document attributed to Wolfowitz and Libby which said

the US must “discourage advanced industrial nations from challenging our leadership or even

aspiring to a larger regional or global role”. It refers to key allies such as the UK as “the most

effective and efficient means of exercising American global leadership”. It describes peace-

keeping missions as “demanding American political leadership rather than that of the UN”. It

says “even should Saddam pass from the scene”, US bases in Saudi Arabia and Kuwait will

remain permanently... as “Iran may well prove as large a threat to US interests as Iraq has”. It

spotlights China for “regime change”, saying “it is time to increase the presence of American

forces in SE Asia”.



The document also calls for the creation of “US space forces” to dominate space, and the total

control of cyberspace to prevent “enemies” using the internet against the US. It also hints that

the US may consider developing biological weapons “that can target specific genotypes [and]

may transform biological warfare from the realm of terror to a politically useful tool”.



Finally - written a year before 9/11/2001 - it pinpoints North Korea, Syria and Iran as dangerous

regimes, and says their existence justifies the creation of a “worldwide command and control

system”. This is a blueprint for US world domination. But before it is dismissed as an agenda for

rightwing fantasists, it is clear it provides a much better explanation of what actually happened

before, during and after 9/11 than the global war on terrorism thesis. This can be seen in several

ways.



First, it is clear the US authorities did little or nothing to pre-empt the events of 9/11. It is known

that at least 11 countries provided advance warning to the US of the 9/11 attacks. Two senior

Mossad experts were sent to Washington in August 2001 to alert the CIA and FBI to a cell of

200 terrorists said to be preparing a big operation (Daily Telegraph, September 16 2001). The

list they provided included the names of four of the 9/11 hijackers, none of whom was arrested.



It had been known as early as 1996 there were plans to hit Washington targets with aeroplanes.

Then in 1999 a US national intelligence council report noted that “al-Qaida suicide bombers

could crash-land an aircraft packed with high explosives into the Pentagon, the headquarters of

the CIA, or the White House”.



Fifteen of the 9/11 hijackers obtained their visas in Saudi Arabia. Michael Springman, the former

head of the American visa bureau in Jeddah, has stated that since 1987 the CIA had been illicitly

issuing visas to unqualified applicants from the Middle East and bringing them to the US for

training in terrorism for the Afghan war in collaboration with Bin Laden (BBC, November 6 2001).

It seems this operation continued after the Afghan war for other purposes. It is also reported that

five of the hijackers received training at secure US military installations in the 1990s (Newsweek,

September 15 2001).



Instructive leads prior to 9/11/01 were not followed up. French Moroccan flight student Zacarias

Moussaoui (now thought to be the 20th hijacker) was arrested in August 2001 after an instructor

reported he showed a suspicious interest in learning how to steer large airliners. When US agents

learned from French intelligence he had radical Islamist ties, they sought a warrant to search his

computer, which contained clues to the September 11 mission (Times, November 3 2001). But

they were turned down by the FBI. One agent wrote, a month before 9/11, that Moussaoui might

be planning to crash into the Twin Towers (Newsweek, May 20 2002).



All of this makes it all the more astonishing - on the war on terrorism perspective - that there was

such slow reaction on September 11 itself. The first hijacking was suspected at not later than

8.20am, and the last hijacked aircraft crashed in Pennsylvania at 10.06am. Not a single fighter

plane was scrambled to investigate from the US Andrews Air Force base, just 10 miles from

Washington DC, until after the third plane had hit the Pentagon at 9.38 am. Why not? There were

standard FAA intercept procedures for hijacked aircraft before 9/11. Between September 2000

and June 2001 the US military launched fighter aircraft on 67 occasions to chase suspicious

aircraft (Associated Press, August 13 2002). It is a US legal requirement that once an aircraft has

moved significantly off its flight plan, fighter planes are sent up to investigate.



Was this inaction simply the result of key people disregarding, or being ignorant of, the evidence?

Or could US air security operations have been deliberately stood down on September 11? If so,

why, and on whose authority? The former US federal crimes prosecutor, John Loftus, has said:

“The information provided by European intelligence services prior to 9/11 was so extensive that

it is no longer possible for either the CIA or FBI to assert a defense of incompetence.”



Nor is the US response after 9/11 any better. No serious attempt has ever been made to catch

Bin Laden. In late September and early October 2001, leaders of Pakistan’s two Islamist parties

negotiated Bin Laden’s extradition to Pakistan to stand trial for 9/11. However, a US official said,

significantly, that “casting our objectives too narrowly” risked “a premature collapse of the inter-

national effort if by some lucky chance Mr Bin Laden was captured”. The US chairman of the joint

chiefs of staff, General Myers, went so far as to say that “the goal has never been to get Bin Laden”

(Associated Press, April 5 2002). The whistleblowing FBI agent Robert Wright told ABC News

(December 19 2002) that FBI headquarters wanted no arrests. And in November 2001 the US

Air Force complained it had had al-Qaida and Taliban leaders in its sights as many as 10 times

over the previous six weeks, but had been unable to attack because they did not receive permission

quickly enough (Time Magazine, May 13 2002). None of this assembled evidence, all of which

comes from sources already in the public domain, is compatible with the idea of a real, determined

war on terrorism.



The catalogue of evidence does, however, fall into place when set against the PNAC blueprint.

From this it seems that the so-called “war on terrorism” is being used largely as bogus cover for

achieving wider US strategic geopolitical objectives. Indeed Tony Blair himself hinted at this when

he said to the Commons liaison committee: “To be truthful about it, there was no way we could

have got the public consent to have suddenly launched a campaign on Afghanistan but for what

happened on September 11” (Times, July 17 2002). Similarly Rumsfeld was so determined to

obtain a rationale for an attack on Iraq that on 10 separate occasions he asked the CIA to find

evidence linking Iraq to 9/11; the CIA repeatedly came back empty-handed (Time Magazine,

May 13 2002).



In fact, 9/11 offered an extremely convenient pretext to put the PNAC plan into action. The evidence

again is quite clear that plans for military action against Afghanistan and Iraq were in hand well

before 9/11. A report prepared for the US government from the Baker Institute of Public Policy

stated in April 2001 that “the US remains a prisoner of its energy dilemma. Iraq remains a

destabilizing influence to... the flow of oil to international markets from the Middle East”. Submitted

to Vice-President Cheney’s energy task group, the report recommended that because this was an

unacceptable risk to the US, “military intervention” was necessary (Sunday Herald, October 6 2002).



Similar evidence exists in regard to Afghanistan. The BBC reported (September 18 2001) that

Niaz Niak, a former Pakistan foreign secretary, was told by senior American officials at a meeting

in Berlin in mid-July 2001 that “military action against Afghanistan would go ahead by the middle of

October”. Until July 2001 the US government saw the Taliban regime as a source of stability in

Central Asia that would enable the construction of hydrocarbon pipelines from the oil and gas fields

in Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, Kazakhstan, through Afghanistan and Pakistan, to the Indian Ocean.

But, confronted with the Taliban’s refusal to accept US conditions, the US representatives told them

“either you accept our offer of a carpet of gold, or we bury you under a carpet of bombs” (Inter Press

Service, November 15 2001).



Given this background, it is not surprising that some have seen the US failure to avert the 9/11/2001

attacks as creating an invaluable pretext for attacking Afghanistan in a war that had clearly already

been well planned in advance. There is a possible precedent for this. The US national archives

reveal that President Roosevelt used exactly this approach in relation to Pearl Harbor on December

7 1941. Some advance warning of the attacks was received, but the information never reached the

US fleet. The ensuing national outrage [of the attack, not the lack of warning] persuaded a reluctant

US public to join the second world war. Similarly the PNAC blueprint of September 2000 states

that the process of transforming the US into “tomorrow’s dominant force” is likely to be a long one in

the absence of “some catastrophic and catalyzing event - like a new Pearl Harbor”. The 9/11 attacks

allowed the US to press the “go” button for a strategy in accordance with the PNAC agenda which it

would otherwise have been politically impossible to implement.



The overriding motivation for this political smokescreen is that the US and the UK are beginning to

run out of secure hydrocarbon energy supplies. By 2010 the Muslim world will control as much as

60% of the world’s oil production and, even more importantly, 95% of remaining global oil export

capacity. As demand is increasing, so supply is decreasing, continually since the 1960s.



This is leading to increasing dependence on foreign oil supplies for both the US and the UK. The US,

which in 1990 produced domestically 57% of its total energy demand, is predicted to produce only

39% of its needs by 2010. A DTI minister has admitted that the UK could be facing “severe” gas

shortages by 2005. The UK government has confirmed that 70% of our electricity will come from gas

by 2020, and 90% of that will be imported. In that context it should be noted that Iraq has 110 trillion

cubic feet of gas reserves in addition to its oil.



A report from the commission on America’s national interests in July 2000 noted the most promising

new source of world supplies was the Caspian region, and this would relieve US dependence on

Saudi Arabia. To diversify supply routes from the Caspian, one pipeline would run westward via

Azerbaijan and Georgia to the Turkish port of Ceyhan. Another would extend eastwards through

Afghanistan and Pakistan and terminate near the Indian border. This would rescue Enron’s

beleaguered power plant at Dabhol on India’s west coast, in which Enron had sunk $3bn investment

and whose economic survival was dependent on access to cheap gas.



Nor has the UK been disinterested in this scramble for the remaining world supplies of hydrocarbons,

and this may partly explain British participation in US military actions. Lord Browne, chief executive

of BP, warned Washington not to carve up Iraq for its own oil companies in the aftermath of war

(Guardian, October 30 2002). And when a British foreign minister met Gadaffi in his desert tent in

August 2002, it was said that “the UK does not want to lose out to other European nations already

jostling for advantage when it comes to potentially lucrative oil contracts” with Libya (BBC Online,

August 10 2002).



The conclusion of all this analysis must surely be that the “global war on terrorism” has the hallmarks

of a political myth propagated to pave the way for a wholly different agenda - the US goal of world

hegemony, built around securing by force command over the oil supplies required to drive the whole

project. Is collusion in this myth and junior participation in this project really a proper aspiration for

British foreign policy? If there was ever need to justify a more objective British stance, driven by our

own independent goals, this whole depressing saga surely provides all the evidence needed for a

radical change of course.


Link (http://www.halexandria.org/dward795.htm)

Michael Meacher MP was environment minister from May 1997 to June 2003


Also see: "I Believe (http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/090803A.shtml) - A Truthout editorial...


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