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lazlor
05-16-2006, 12:35 PM
maybe this will finally put the naysayers into reality.... if the footage is clear that is...

here's text of the story and a link:


Judicial Watch to Obtain September 11 Pentagon Video at 1 p.m. Today

Department of Defense Responds to Judicial Watch Freedom of Information Act Request and Related Lawsuit


(Washington, DC) Judicial Watch, the public interest group that investigates and prosecutes government corruption, announced today that Department of Defense will release a videotape to Judicial Watch at 1:00 p.m. this afternoon that allegedly shows American Airlines Flight 77 striking the Pentagon on September 11, 2001. The Department of Defense is releasing the videotape in response to a Judicial Watch Freedom of Information Act request and related lawsuit.



“This is in response to your December 14, 2004 Freedom of Information Act Request, FOIA appeal of March 27, 2005, and complaint filed in the United States District Court for the District of Columbia,” wrote William Kammer, Chief of the Department of Defense, Office of Freedom of Information. “Now that the trial of Zacarias Moussaoui is over, we are able to complete your request and provide the video…”



Judicial Watch originally filed a Freedom of Information Act request on December 15, 2004, seeking all records pertaining to September 11, 2001 camera recordings of the Pentagon attack from the Sheraton National Hotel, the Nexcomm/Citgo gas station, Pentagon security cameras and the Virginia Department of Transportation. The Department of Defense admitted in a January 26, 2005 letter that it possessed a videotape responsive to Judicial Watch’s request. However, the Pentagon refused to release the videotape because it was, “part of an ongoing investigation involving Zacarias Moussaoui.” Judicial Watch filed a lawsuit on February 22, 2006 arguing that there was “no legal basis” for the Defense Department’s refusal to release the tape.



“We fought hard to obtain this video because we felt that it was very important to complete the public record with respect to the terrorist attacks of September 11,” said Judicial Watch President Tom Fitton. “Finally, we hope that this video will put to rest the conspiracy theories involving American Airlines Flight 77. As always, our prayers remain with all those who suffered as a result of those murderous attacks.”



A copy of the video will be made available on Judicial Watch’s Internet site, www.judicialwatch.org.

http://www.judicialwatch.org/5772.shtml

LoungeMachine
05-16-2006, 12:37 PM
Good.

Look forward to seeing it once and for all.

lazlor
05-16-2006, 12:41 PM
agree.. this is the one real thing that has always made me go hmm.. lending that shred of doubt, and tilting me to to give credence to those who say that something other than what the official story is, is what happened...


OT: hey, arent you supposed to be working on a new album lol? why are you here? Get busy!

:-)

distortion9
05-16-2006, 12:58 PM
THANK GOD!!!

Can't wait to hear all the spinning from the missile theorists

FORD
05-16-2006, 01:19 PM
I hope Klayman's got some serious investigators on his payroll who can tell an authentic video from a fake.

Seshmeister
05-16-2006, 01:21 PM
Ah here we go...:)

BigBadBrian
05-16-2006, 01:24 PM
Originally posted by LoungeMachine
Good.

Look forward to seeing it once and for all.

Then will you admit you were wrong and feel foolish for believing this conspiracy non-sense?

I know, I know...the BCE forged this footage. :rolleyes:

BigBadBrian
05-16-2006, 01:25 PM
Originally posted by FORD
I hope Klayman's got some serious investigators on his payroll who can tell an authentic video from a fake.

I knew it.

:gulp:

jhale667
05-16-2006, 01:31 PM
I'm interested to see it.

Hardrock69
05-16-2006, 01:43 PM
Ya have to admit that we are finally at a point where ANY audio or video can be faked.

Back in the 30s, the only way to fake film was to fake the action being filmed. You could not manipulate the film once it was exposed.


I would not doubt that the DoD could doctor this footage up, as it has had almost 5 fucking years to do so.

However, I am sick to death of the arguments about the Pentagon.

At least with the WTC, there were buttloads of cameras that taped the planes smacking into the buildings.

No way could anyone claim it was a missile or any other type of plane.

But then this begs the question...why did they wait 5 years before releasing the footage? They should have released it the day after it happened....

This is not getting into who hijacked them, or who was responsible. I am only addressing the issue of proving what type of vehicles crashed into the buildings that day.

distortion9
05-16-2006, 01:47 PM
Well....that tape doesn't show much of anything....oh well.

I assume everyone will still say missile.

Full Bug
05-16-2006, 02:05 PM
Originally posted by distortion9
Well....that tape doesn't show much of anything....oh well.

It hasnt even been released yet....

FORD
05-16-2006, 02:19 PM
Originally posted by BigBadBrian
I knew it.

:gulp:

Hey, I believe the guy has honorable intentions this time, but as Hardrock says, it's easy with today's technology to forge any video or audio you want (i.e the "Osama" tapes). Not to mention that they've had 5 years to work on it. The entire Lord of the Rings trilogy and the three Star Wars prequels were done in that amount of time and those are about 90% artificial (CGI)

So like I said, I hope Klayman has some experts lined up to thoroughly examine every second of this tape before he puts it on his website.

frets5150
05-16-2006, 02:22 PM
This tape will never Surface Bet on that...

And did anyone see Loose Channge when they made A computer generated plane hitting he Pentagon...

Hardrock69
05-16-2006, 03:57 PM
one thing is for sure...the servers at judicialwatch are so overburdened now it is impossible to load the page...

Hardrock69
05-16-2006, 03:58 PM
Here:

http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/05/16/pentagon.video/index.html

jhale667
05-16-2006, 04:13 PM
Originally posted by Hardrock69
Here:

http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/05/16/pentagon.video/index.html

You can barely see anything on that before the fireball...if it WAS a plane, it was like six feet off the ground...from that I could totally see why someone would think it was a shoulder-fired missile.....

Hardrock69
05-16-2006, 04:30 PM
There is only a single frame that shows the plane at all.

If the government truly had nothing to hide, they would have released the entire video the very day after it hit.


There is more footage as well that was confiscated by the FBI. Why do they not release it?

Considering how far away from the camera the plane is, it certainly could have been a large passenger aircraft.

Only one thing...I was unaware that American Airlines painted their entire aircraft grey with no markings....

knuckleboner
05-16-2006, 04:34 PM
jesus. ok, i KNOW i'm stupid for trying to once again restart this "debate," but i kinda have to ask:

IF the government crashed actual planes into the WTC (military planes, drones, whatever) then why wouldn't it have crashed another real plane (military, drone, etc) into the pentagon?

Roy Munson
05-16-2006, 04:51 PM
Underwhelming.

frets5150
05-16-2006, 05:09 PM
Originally posted by jhale667
You can barely see anything on that before the fireball...if it WAS a plane, it was like six feet off the ground...from that I could totally see why someone would think it was a shoulder-fired missile.....

Are you talkin about this ? This has been out for awhile.I don't see no plane flying towards the Pentagon I can't find the clip


http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a83/FRETS5150/f9f0243c.gif

diamondD
05-16-2006, 05:21 PM
That's the clip. It's just been "officially" released.

frets5150
05-16-2006, 05:28 PM
What about the tapes from the gas station and hotel?

frets5150
05-16-2006, 06:48 PM
When do you think we will see The tapes from this angle? The tape that the FBI Confiscated


His gas station, open only to Department of Defense personnel, is the last structure between the Pentagon and the hillside that, hours later, would become a wailing knoll. "By the time I got outside all I could see was a giant cloud of smoke, first white then black, coming from the Pentagon," he said. "It was just a terrible, terrible thing to be so close to."
"Velasquez says the gas station's security cameras are close enough to the Pentagon to have recorded the moment of impact. "I've never seen what the pictures looked like," he said. "The FBI was here within minutes and took the film." -National Geographic (12/11/01)



http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a83/FRETS5150/20005022a1.jpg

Seshmeister
05-16-2006, 07:32 PM
Maybe his camera's missed it.

They tend to have very slow refresh rates and were probably pointing at his forecourt to stop people stealing petrol.

frets5150
05-16-2006, 07:46 PM
Originally posted by Seshmeister
Maybe his camera's missed it.

They tend to have very slow refresh rates and were probably pointing at his forecourt to stop people stealing petrol.


:D

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a83/FRETS5150/negative31jjj.jpg

FORD
05-16-2006, 07:47 PM
Originally posted by frets5150
Are you talkin about this ? This has been out for awhile.I don't see no plane flying towards the Pentagon I can't find the clip


http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a83/FRETS5150/f9f0243c.gif

Even this clip itself has been edited....

1) Why is it dated Sept 12?

Greenwich time? Nope, that's only 5 hours ahead of Eastern, approximately 14:37

2) There is a frame missing from this clip. Note that the counter on the left goes from 17:37:19 to 17:37:21.

Something happenned in that 1 1/10th of a second that the BCE doesn't want you to see, even in a limited video such as this.

1/10th of a second is pretty damn fast, so this would have to be a VERY visible detail to warrant extracting it at all.

frets5150
05-16-2006, 07:49 PM
And how about the Hotel was the camera pointing at the BellBoys to make sure they were not stealing any luggage


:rolleyes:

DLR'sCock
05-16-2006, 08:27 PM
well they showed it on tv and it's the same clip, and you can't see anything....

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05-16-2006, 08:37 PM
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DLR'sCock
05-16-2006, 08:49 PM
I thought a right wing repub like yourself was a pro capitalist?

Seshmeister
05-16-2006, 08:57 PM
Please explain your sig Mr Cock.

Are they paying you?:)

Do you work there?

WTF?

At least it doesn't take 5 minutes to scroll past now...

Cheers!

:gulp:

Seshmeister
05-16-2006, 08:57 PM
Originally posted by FORD
Even this clip itself has been edited....

1) Why is it dated Sept 12?

Greenwich time? Nope, that's only 5 hours ahead of Eastern, approximately 14:37

2) There is a frame missing from this clip. Note that the counter on the left goes from 17:37:19 to 17:37:21.

Something happenned in that 1 1/10th of a second that the BCE doesn't want you to see, even in a limited video such as this.

1/10th of a second is pretty damn fast, so this would have to be a VERY visible detail to warrant extracting it at all.

LOL!

DLR'sCock
05-16-2006, 09:02 PM
Originally posted by Seshmeister
Please explain your sig Mr Cock.

Are they paying you?:)

Do you work there?

WTF?

At least it doesn't take 5 minutes to scroll past now...

Cheers!

:gulp:

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Seshmeister
05-16-2006, 09:49 PM
Sorry to hear that.

frets5150
05-16-2006, 10:16 PM
I just watched Fox 5 news in new york they claim to see a plane but guess what pic they showed right after the plane hit. You guessed it

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a83/FRETS5150/debris_large1.jpg

And they never mentioned 1 time about why the FBI Confiscated the tape from the Hotel and the Gas station.She also said that the conspiracy theorist are still not happy saying we say it was not flight 77 that crashed but another plane.I am calling them tomorrow and gonna asked the questions mentioned above

LoungeMachine
05-16-2006, 10:25 PM
Originally posted by BigBadBrian
Then will you admit you were wrong and feel foolish for believing this conspiracy non-sense?

I know, I know...the BCE forged this footage. :rolleyes:

Confusing me with FORD now?

Thanks for the compliment.


So much for the "new footage"

Tell us what you actually see, Hawkeye :rolleyes:

Diamondjimi
05-16-2006, 11:09 PM
It definitely wasn't a direct hit . It seems to dive at a 45 degree angle visible with a black spot in the first frame and hits ground just behind
the parking lot control arm block and belly slides into the building igniting the fuel in the wings.

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a83/FRETS5150/f9f0243c.gif

FORD
05-16-2006, 11:29 PM
Originally posted by FORD
Hey, I believe the guy has honorable intentions this time,


Forget that I said that......

I thought that Klayman played both sides of the political fence, but I've since learned that he's funded by that fascist America hating piece of fucking dog shit Richard Mellonhead Scaife.

NOTHING that Scaife is involved in can be fair or unbiased. The bastard hates this country, hates the Constitution, and is a BCE tool.

And now that the "released video" has turned out to be an edited hoax which has been on the internet for 3 years, it is abundantly clear that this was nothing but a pathetic stunt to distract the public from the impending Rove indictment, phone company fascism, or any number of other things that could wake up those 29% of morons that still somehow exist out there.

Seshmeister
05-17-2006, 12:20 AM
Originally posted by diamondjimi
It definitely wasn't a direct hit . It seems to dive at a 45 degree angle visible with a black spot in the first frame and hits ground just behind
the parking lot control arm block and belly slides into the building igniting the fuel in the wings.

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a83/FRETS5150/f9f0243c.gif

I agree. Or maybe it was a cruise missile and then Bush secretly executed all the passengers on the plane or something...:)

FORD
05-17-2006, 12:25 AM
Passenger lists can always be faked (see Operation Northwoods).

frets5150
05-17-2006, 12:44 AM
On the second clip at the 1:40 mark it looks like some object came out of the Pentagon.Either that or could be a car on the road It could be just the way the Camera was positioned playing tricks with the eyes.

frets5150
05-17-2006, 01:04 AM
Just some of the other Nutjobs like Me and Ford and a few others here.

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uknova05 (7 hours ago)
nothing new, still cant see anything :(
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stumpy95 (7 minutes ago)
Listen up everyone. Check out LOOSE CHANGE 2 at http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8260059923762628848 &q=911&pl=true


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donwrege (7 hours ago)
Just as I thought. A Global Hawk. Well, that clears THAT up.
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nickganga (7 hours ago)
haha yup
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neoconnedagain (5 hours ago)
Thanks for the confirmation that a nondescript projectile hit the Pentagon.



This only muddies the water more. When are the Feds going to release the surveillance footage from the nearby gas station and hotels that was confiscated by the FBI minutes after the attack?


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noteoghan (7 hours ago)
Bullshit.

The pentagon should,and Im fairly sure DOES have some of the most advanced security camera's in exsistance - its the state's main department of defence for christ sake. So why are we seeing still shots which dont actually depict an aeroplane?



What stupid cunt believes this bullshit?

Why not release the video's that were confiscated from the nearby hotel, when the staff were told to forget what they saw?
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potentpotables (7 hours ago)
I heard on the news they WERE releasing that one too...
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jewggers (7 hours ago)
boo this video!
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innerwiz (7 hours ago)
At 1:26 we see the nose of something elongated appear at the right of the picture.



At 1:27 we see the explosion with a possible vapour trail.



Looks more like a missile then a plane.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L75Gga92WO8

ELVIS
05-17-2006, 02:14 AM
The youtube video looks like a plane...

frets5150
05-17-2006, 02:36 AM
Not to me but you are entitled to your opinion.But would'nt this be all put to rest if we had the Tapes that the FBI CONFISCATED?

DrMaddVibe
05-17-2006, 07:11 AM
What happened to the people that were on the planes?

Seshmeister
05-17-2006, 08:08 AM
Apparently they didn't exist.

Noone was killed on 9-11 they were all played by out of work actors who are sworn to secrecy...

The stunt men that jumped out the windows of the towers were particularly good.

Seshmeister
05-17-2006, 08:11 AM
Originally posted by frets5150
On the second clip at the 1:40 mark it looks like some object came out of the Pentagon.

Probably some sort of UFO with aliens on it and stuff.

Roy Munson
05-17-2006, 09:23 AM
Originally posted by Seshmeister
Probably some sort of UFO with aliens on it and stuff.



LOL!!!!!!!!!

LoungeMachine
05-17-2006, 09:30 AM
Originally posted by DrMaddVibe
What happened to the people that were on the planes?

What plane?

Did you see a plane, Clay?

Can you point it out for us?

:rolleyes:

knuckleboner
05-17-2006, 09:38 AM
Originally posted by knuckleboner


IF the government crashed actual planes into the WTC (military planes, drones, whatever) then why wouldn't it have crashed another real plane (military, drone, etc) into the pentagon?


anyone? bueller?

LoungeMachine
05-17-2006, 09:49 AM
1- I don't believe for one moment "the government" crashed planes into WTC. However, I do believe they did have prior knowledge they were coming. [hence Cheney's "drill" and the STAND DOWN ORDERS during a mock attack THE SAME DAY OF 9/11]

2- Who IN HERE is claiming we attacked ourselves at the Pentagon?


There are WAY too many holes [pun intended] in the "official" story, and alot of sheep here are afraid to consider they may have been duped. It's much easier for them to just mock those of us who question the bullshit eminating from this PROVEN TO BE LIARS administration.

knuckleboner
05-17-2006, 11:03 AM
Originally posted by LoungeMachine


1- I don't believe for one moment "the government" crashed planes into WTC. However, I do believe they did have prior knowledge they were coming. [hence Cheney's "drill" and the STAND DOWN ORDERS during a mock attack THE SAME DAY OF 9/11]

2- Who IN HERE is claiming we attacked ourselves at the Pentagon?


There are WAY too many holes [pun intended] in the "official" story, and alot of sheep here are afraid to consider they may have been duped. It's much easier for them to just mock those of us who question the bullshit eminating from this PROVEN TO BE LIARS administration.

sorry. i was just trying to get at: plane or no plane. and if a plane DIDN'T hit the pentagon, then the government would've had to be involved. since we have a missing plane, missing passengers, and an official government report. and if the government was involved in the strike on the pentagon, it stands to reason that they must've been involved in the nearly simultaneous strikes on the WTC, which we know were some sort of planes.

therefore, i'm really asking those who believe a plane didn't hit the pentagon, why did the government fake it, but hit/allow real planes to hit the WTC?

to me, believing that a plane did not hit the pentagon, but that planes DID hit the WTC is so beyond logic as to render the entire argument useless.


now, i may disagree on whether or not the government was complicent in the attacks, but believing that the government had prior knowledge of 4 planes getting hijacked (or even that the government hijacked 4 planes) is more logically consistent then believing that somehow 2 planes crashed into the WTC but a missle hit the pentagon.

Seshmeister
05-17-2006, 12:18 PM
Indeed.

Assuming for a minute that the 'government' knew the planes were going to hit the WTC and had planted explosives just to make sure.

That by anyones standards is enough by the PNAC theory of a second Pearl Harbor. Why then take the huge risk of trying to fire a missile into your own headquarters and faking another plane crash somewhere else too?

If doing this shit is so possible why haven't they done more since to keep Bush's ratings up?

diamondD
05-17-2006, 01:04 PM
Exactly, there'd have been another "faked" attack to keep people behind the war in Iraq and the "war on terror". Wouldn't even have to be as extreme, but just some sort of a human bomb or something, just to keep the facade up.


But it just hasn't happened like people were predicting in the not too distant past...

frets5150
05-17-2006, 02:09 PM
Come on video cameras at Citgo

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a83/FRETS5150/20005022a1.jpg

video cameras at The Hotel and many

video cameras On top and around the Pentagon
http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a83/FRETS5150/pent_secutiry_cameras1.jpg

And all we get is this FUCKING SHIT!!!
http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a83/FRETS5150/ecf1ddca.gif


Sorry I don't buy it

ELVIS
05-17-2006, 02:51 PM
Originally posted by LoungeMachine
I don't believe for one moment "the government" crashed planes into WTC. However, I do believe they did have prior knowledge they were coming.

What's the difference ??

Mr Grimsdale
05-17-2006, 03:41 PM
Originally posted by jhale667
You can barely see anything on that before the fireball...if it WAS a plane, it was like six feet off the ground...from that I could totally see why someone would think it was a shoulder-fired missile.....

to make a bang like that it would have to be a shoulder fired missile fit for king kong ;)

Mr Grimsdale
05-17-2006, 03:45 PM
Originally posted by Seshmeister
Probably some sort of UFO with aliens on it and stuff.

damn it sesh, i wan't to be the first one to suggest that

now i'll just have to blame scientologists, obese lesbian scientologists

...with a wooden leg

frets5150
05-17-2006, 03:54 PM
.

frets5150
05-17-2006, 03:58 PM
Originally posted Seshmeister
The stunt men that jumped out the windows of the towers were particularly good



:rolleyes:

LoungeMachine
05-17-2006, 04:19 PM
Originally posted by ELVIS
What's the difference ??

If you don't know, then you're an idiot.l

:rolleyes:

bobgnote
05-17-2006, 04:25 PM
******s alert: OLD TAPES PLAYED, over and fucking over.

******s, 'tenhut.

See the other old tapes and movies of the Doolittle Raid?

See how the US went off on Iraq and Afghanistan post-9/11, like the Imperial Japanese went off at Manchuria, post-Doolitlle?

See the old tapes and the movie, of BATTLE OF MIDWAY?

See the shrooms over Hiroshima and Nagasaki? ******s? Jumpers?

We have just a LITTLE MORE DRAMA, cooking, yet to be played.

DLR'sCock
05-18-2006, 09:54 AM
Originally posted by Seshmeister
Sorry to hear that.



sorry for what? it's all good.....

Seshmeister
05-18-2006, 10:26 AM
We're adding a little something to this month's sales contest. As you all know, first prize is a Cadillac Eldorado. Anybody want to see second prize?
Second prize is a set of steak knives. Third prize is you're fired.:)

Guitar Shark
05-18-2006, 11:13 AM
Originally posted by Seshmeister
We're adding a little something to this month's sales contest. As you all know, first prize is a Cadillac Eldorado. Anybody want to see second prize?
Second prize is a set of steak knives. Third prize is you're fired.:)

LOL. Cock's signature is a case study in how quickly one can go from complete internet anonymity to public prostitution.

Drblacwood84
05-20-2006, 11:58 PM
that didnt look like no 757 and isnt it odd that theyused frame by frame when a silly gas station has actual video oh and ppl from the sheraton hotel sat watching the video they got.....hmm i wonder wht they saw before the gov took it in a snap

Drblacwood84
05-21-2006, 12:01 AM
hahaha

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