So they're gonna blow up the Trojan Nuke Plant on Sunday??

[FORD]

http://laughingsquid.com.nyud.net:8090/wp-content/uploads/trojan_nuke.jpg

I always thought it was one of the uglier landmarks you would see driving down to Portland, but it does have at least one claim on history, as the inspiration for this better known nuke plant on TV....

http://laughingsquid.com/wp-content/uploads/snpp.gif

...though Blinky the three eyed trout was never actually found in the Columbia River, to my knowledge....

http://www.rob-clarkson.com/duff-brewery/blinky/03.jpg

Anyway, the primary reason this article caught my eye is not just the surprise that they're destroying the plant itself, but the name of the company involved in the demolition, and the description of how it will happen.........




Cooling tower implosion details

The 499-foot cooling tower is scheduled to be imploded on May 21, 2006. PGE has chosen a contractor, Controlled Demolition Inc. (CDI), which has safely imploded a number of large structures, including the Kingdome in Seattle. Every demolition bid proposal PGE received recommended implosion of the tower as the safest demolition method with the least community and environmental impact. The Trojan cooling tower is made of concrete and steel and contains no hazardous materials. It never contained any radioactive material, and all asbestos has been removed.

CDI is obtaining all necessary permits and coordinating the event with local, state and federal agencies. There will be short-term closures of the nearby river, roads, railway and air space, immediately prior to and during the implosion.

To implode the tower, CDI will place explosives in the lower half of the tower which, when detonated, will cause the tower to fall into itself. Debris will be contained almost entirely within the tower's footprint. The implosion, from the first detonation of explosives to the settling of the tower, will take between eight and 15 seconds. After the tower is imploded, the concrete will be crushed to three-inch pieces or smaller and left on site. The steel will be recycled.


Now does that description, and that company name ring any memory bells out there?

Well, at least they had the decency to take the asbestos out this time.

Link (http://www.portlandgeneral.com/about_pge/current_issues/trojan/implosion.asp?bhcp=1)

[Julius]

What is it, FORD?

I know the founder of the company is a liar and possibly a thief....

Other than that I'm stumped.

[FORD]

Controlled Demolition Inc is the same contractor who was awarded the cleanup job at the World Trade Center, which would be an odd thing to do if it were NOT a controlled demolition.

And the description given of how the Trojan tower will collapse is almost a verbatim accounting of how the WTC towers collapsed.

So I don't know if they are liars or thieves, but they sure seem to be ready to help out liars and thieves at the drop of a hat. Or a huge concrete & steel structure, as the case may be.

[Julius]

Originally posted by FORD
Controlled Demolition Inc is the same contractor who was awarded the cleanup job at the World Trade Center, which would be an odd thing to do if it were NOT a controlled demolition.

And the description given of how the Trojan tower will collapse is almost a verbatim accounting of how the WTC towers collapsed.

So I don't know if they are liars or thieves, but they sure seem to be ready to help out liars and thieves at the drop of a hat. Or a huge concrete & steel structure, as the case may be.

That's a bit of a reach.

Perhaps your tinfoil hat needs some adjustment?

[diamondD]

It's simply mind-boggling that a company that knows how to clean up destruction was asked to do it. And that damn gravity pulled it's tricks again and made buildings that were coming down have the same reactions as other building that have come down.


You really should try to bounce this kind of stuff off a dumber crowd. ;)

[Nitro Express]

Some very smart people say there is something fishy about the World Trade Center. The towers collapsed so fast this would be impossible without having some of the structure cleared away with explosives. It should have taken longer for the towers to collapse because of friction and compression.

Another fishy thing about the towers is no high rise building ever has completly failed due to fire. Some fires have burned over 1000 degrees F for hours with no catastrophics failure. Most the fuel was vaporized and burned in the big fire balls when the airplane hit the towers. It would have been impossible for the fire to reach the 2300 degrees F tempurature needed to melt the steel.

People are finally comming out and saying it doesn't add up. Some are now saying the Pentegon was never hit by an airplane at all because the large metal structures like the landing gear and the engines where never recovered.

[DrMaddVibe]

FoLIARrd...hop inside it before they pull the plunger down and notify us if the BCSABCDEFG is there.

Over and out.

[Drblacwood84]

anybody got a vid/?

[Dr. Love]

Originally posted by DrMaddVibe
FoLIARrd...hop inside it before they pull the plunger down and notify us if the BCSABCDEFG is there.

Over and out.

you mispelled "FoLIARd".

[Julius]

This thread is a bunch of bullshit and needs to be closed.

Fuck you FORD for floating this turd and abandoning it for someone else to wipe up.

[FORD]

Originally posted by Julius
This thread is a bunch of bullshit and needs to be closed.

Fuck you FORD for floating this turd and abandoning it for someone else to wipe up.

I haven't abandoned anything.

[Julius]

Originally posted by FORD
I haven't abandoned anything.

Any more bullshit theories you'd like to get off your chest?

[bueno bob]

That's funny...I hadn't heard a damn thing about it until now...

Great......

[FORD]

Originally posted by Julius
Any more bullshit theories you'd like to get off your chest?

As Nitro indicated, a lot of people don't think it's "bullshit" anymore.

And if you had watched what I just did with an open mind, you would have to question it yourself.....

[Seshmeister]

Originally posted by FORD
As Nitro indicated, a lot of people don't think it's "bullshit" anymore.



Look at the people you are talking about though...

http://www.cnn.com/US/9706/15/ufo.poll/alien.poll.jpg

[FORD]

UFO's are an entirely different matter, Sesh. But it's one worthy of its own thread. Why don't you start one?

[Guitar Shark]

They blew up the Trojan plant because that's where the BCE has been hiding all of the passengers of the "hijacked" planes on 9/11. It all makes sense now.

[Seshmeister]

Originally posted by FORD
UFO's are an entirely different matter, Sesh. But it's one worthy of its own thread. Why don't you start one?

There are enough fantasies going on in this forum as it is...:)

[FORD]

There IS a link between Trojan and the BCE, believe it or not.....

The company which owned the plant, Portland General Electric, was formerly owned by ENRON.

[FORD]

Originally posted by Seshmeister
There are enough fantasies going on in this forum as it is...:)

Not so much anymore. The fantasies are fading away, and some who believed in those fantasies are really upset by it. Just look at Julius' posts.

[Unchainme]

Originally posted by FORD
UFO's are an entirely different matter, Sesh. But it's one worthy of its own thread. Why don't you start one?

Please Start one, I love that type of stuff.

[FORD]

Originally posted by Unchainme
Please Start one, I love that type of stuff.

Already did.

[Julius]

Originally posted by FORD
Not so much anymore. The fantasies are fading away, and some who believed in those fantasies are really upset by it. Just look at Julius' posts.

What a load of fucking bullshit.

You need serious mental help.

[FORD]

Originally posted by Julius
What a load of fucking bullshit.

You need serious mental help.

Does Nitro need serious mental help? Does everyone who is slowly waking up to the reality that the BUSH CRIMINAL EMPIRE HAS LIED THEIR MOTHERFUCKING TREASONOUS ASSES OFF ABOUT SEPTEMBER 11, 2001 need serious mental help?

Quit rationalizing it, and accept the reality. It's not easy, but it is neccessary.

[Julius]

Originally posted by FORD
Does Nitro need serious mental help? Does everyone who is slowly waking up to the reality that the BUSH CRIMINAL EMPIRE HAS LIED THEIR MOTHERFUCKING TREASONOUS ASSES OFF ABOUT SEPTEMBER 11, 2001 need serious mental help?

Quit rationalizing it, and accept the reality. It's not easy, but it is neccessary.

Let me guess, you're one of the 10 or 12 nutcases whom believe the planes that crashed into the WTC fired missles into the buildings right before they crashed into them.

You also believe that the Pentagon was hit by a missle, and not a hijacked airliner.

You think Howard Dean is intelligent and would make a great world leader.

Oh yeah, that's rational thinking.

I'll bet you don't own a webcam because you're afraid the govenment is watching you while you sleep. Tell me I'm wrong.

[Julius]

Originally posted by FORD
Does Nitro need serious mental help?

Yes, without a doubt.

[FORD]

Originally posted by Julius
Let me guess, you're one of the 10 or 12 nutcases whom believe the planes that crashed into the WTC fired missles into the buildings right before they crashed into them.

Inconclusive. There are photos taken of the second plane that hit the WTC that clearly show some optional equipment on the underside of the plane which wouldn't be found on a commercial passenger jet, or a cargo plane of the FedEx variety. A missile pod is one suggestion, others have said it was a refueling plane, and that was the apparatus which docks into other planes in mid air. I have no way of knowing either way, so I don't worry about that minor point. I do not believe it was a passenger plane though, because eyewitnesses on the scene said that the plane had no windows.

You also believe that the Pentagon was hit by a missle, and not a hijacked airliner.

Most probably, yes. As Nitro pointed out in another thread, the maneuvers that the 757 would have had to make in order to crash into the Pentagon at ground level are so extremely complicated that even the most experienced pilot would have great difficulty doing so. Hani Hanjour, the alleged hijacker-pilot of the plane, according to the BCE "official story" was anything BUT a skilled pilot. It would have been impossible for a barely competent rookie pilot like him to have made that landing. If you choose to believe that, then you must believe that Allah truly blessed his mission, because that's the only way that camel's ass could have accomplished such a thing.

You think Howard Dean is intelligent and would make a great world leader.

Absolutely. And anyone who has listened to him (and not the lies spread about him) would say the same thing.

Oh yeah, that's rational thinking.

I'll bet you don't own a webcam because you're afraid the govenment is watching you while you sleep. Tell me I'm wrong.

You're wrong. I have a webcam, but it's not installed because it's attached to an ancient card that doesn't have any XP or Linux drivers, which means it's useless. It might work with my video capture card, just haven't got around to trying it. Believe me, if I thought the BCE was spying on me through my webcam, I'd make sure the bastards knew I was onto them :D

[Julius]

Originally posted by FORD
Let me guess, you're one of the 10 or 12 nutcases whom believe the planes that crashed into the WTC fired missles into the buildings right before they crashed into them.

Inconclusive. There are photos taken of the second plane that hit the WTC that clearly show some optional equipment on the underside of the plane which wouldn't be found on a commercial passenger jet, or a cargo plane of the FedEx variety. A missile pod is one suggestion, others have said it was a refueling plane, and that was the apparatus which docks into other planes in mid air. I have no way of knowing either way, so I don't worry about that minor point. I do not believe it was a passenger plane though, because eyewitnesses on the scene said that the plane had no windows.

I just went back to check the video of the second plane and in slow motion I can clearly see windows on the right side of the plane. I'd love to see these supposed photos of 'optional equipment' installed on the plane.

You also believe that the Pentagon was hit by a missle, and not a hijacked airliner.

Most probably, yes. As Nitro pointed out in another thread, the maneuvers that the 757 would have had to make in order to crash into the Pentagon at ground level are so extremely complicated that even the most experienced pilot would have great difficulty doing so. Hani Hanjour, the alleged hijacker-pilot of the plane, according to the BCE "official story" was anything BUT a skilled pilot. It would have been impossible for a barely competent rookie pilot like him to have made that landing. If you choose to believe that, then you must believe that Allah truly blessed his mission, because that's the only way that camel's ass could have accomplished such a thing.

OK, I'll concede this point to you. I've still not seen any credible proof that a passenger jet crashed into the Pentagon. I've only seen a few photos of the wreckage, but based on what I've heard about the crash, my internal meter indicates a high level of bullshit.

You think Howard Dean is intelligent and would make a great world leader.

Absolutely. And anyone who has listened to him (and not the lies spread about him) would say the same thing.

Is global socialism what you seek? That's the shit Dean is peddling.
I'm not interested in electing a leader who is weak on national defense, who loves to hug our enemies' nutsack and would use my tax dollars to pay some lazy talentless motherfucker to sit on his ass all day and make Star tapes.

[Nitro Express]

I don't agree with Ford on everything but he makes a great point to not get caught up in the emotion of things and to do a little research for yourself.

I've always believed world politics and economics falls under a handful of very powerful people like the Bilderbergers and the Trilatteral Commission. Whenever these groups meet with very high security guarding them, major things in the world change.

It's the big big money and people with the right connections that control the politics and economics now. Some simple research will show the Bin Ladden family and the Bush family go back sevral generations with each other.

Simple research shows Osama Bin Laddens older brother was the first financer in George W. Bush's oil company in Texas. Interesting coincidence. Notice how we always have a military action in the oil rich parts of the middle east when there is a Bush and a Chenney in the Executive Branch.

Now many knowlegable experts on demolition and building fires are coming out saying something is fishy here. With all the emotion of 9/11 a guy like Ford saying our own govt. did it, makes people think he's nuttier than a shithouse rat.

Now that some water has gone under the bridge and people have come out of the emotional fog, it makes sense that our own govt. could have caused 9/11. Especially, a govt. that dropped going after Bin Ladden and invaded Iraq. A govt. that lied to us about weapons of mass destruction. A govt. that seems to think spying on it's own citizens is more important than securing our ports and borders.

Does Bush care about our security? Hell no! If anything, he's erroded more Constitutional guarenteed freedoms than any president. You have no Constitutional rights or due process if the govt. suspects you of being a terrorist. Scary shit!

Ford in his own way is basically saying Wake up People! We are being royaly screwed! Do I think the Democrat party and Howard Dean is the answer. Nope.

Sadly the big lobbyist in Washington own them too.

[Nitro Express]

The rest of the world is watching our Republic go in scary places with the Patriot Act and an unjustified invasion. We had good relations with Russia until the Iraq invasion. Now the rest of the world is worried the US will fall into a Nazi Germany situation where martial law is declared to avoid some sort of crises and the thugs who control the US will use that big powerful military to do bad things.

We are scaring the rest of the world and causing an arms buildup. The US has the largest and most mobile military in the world. Not too many countries could keep us out right now.

Going into Iraq changed the whole dynamic of the world and the US is looked at with distrust because we can become a real menace in the world if some asshole becomes a military dictator here.

[diamondD]

Originally posted by FORD
I do not believe it was a passenger plane though, because eyewitnesses on the scene said that the plane had no windows.



I've posted a picture of a piece of the plane that showed the passenger windows. You totally ignore every fact presented to you that disputes anything you say and just go to another thread and repeat the same old crap again.

You've been proven wrong so many times on these theories. I think you have one of the forms of autism I've heard about where a person tells the same story over and over, no matter how many times people have heard it.

And you always conveniently don't point out that the FOX reporter you like to quote this "no windows" from was miles away in Brooklyn. Yeah, he's a reliable witness, for a kooky conspiracy theory. :rolleyes:

[diamondD]

By the way, this implosion didn't resemble the WTC collapse at all. The explosives went off on the bottom and then it fell in on itself. There is no comparison. Better go get the latest version of the BCE decoder ring, because that one failed you miserably again.

[Nitro Express]

The paint on the fusulage supposedly found at the Pentegon does not match the paint scheme of the airline who's plane crashed into the Pentegon nor were there any large pieces of metal recovered like parts of the engines and the langing gear structure whick have massive amounts of metal in them.

Interesting that an unburned passport of one of the terrorists is found at the World Trade Center site while anything else was completely burned up.

Interesting that the FBI confiscated all camera servalience around the Pentegon area.

The govt. is hiding something from us. If it was an act of terrorism, why all the coverup? Why the obviouse planted passport and why is a part from the wrong plane being shown to us?

[Nitro Express]

You know why president Bush's approval rating is so low? We don't trust the guy. Simple as that.

The United States is starting to spin out of control with some very powerful people taking advantage of it. Most the sheep in this country don't see it happening. The sheep complain about good jobs dissapearing but they still shop at Wal-Mart because it has the best prices and has been responsible for influencing US manufacture like Rubbermaid to close down US opperations and move them to China.

Our borders are wide open and foriegn nations who support terrorism are allowed to buy our ports. Isn't it obviouse that big multinational money is involved and this big money has ties with Saudi Arabia and Dubai?

Record oil profits are being made over what has been going on. Much of ours lives is controled by the big energy conglomerates which the Bush family has ties to as well as the Carlyle Group who manufacture weapons.

What Bush has done is he has increased the price of oil and the demand for weapons. Follow the money and you will always find your political answer. Sadly, this has come at the cost of national security, our Constitutional rights, and has ruined foriegn relations with many countries that were pretty good allies before the invasion of Iraq.

[FORD]

Originally posted by diamondD
By the way, this implosion didn't resemble the WTC collapse at all. The explosives went off on the bottom and then it fell in on itself. There is no comparison.

That is EXACTLY how the WTC towers fell, as described by witness after witness on the scene, who described hearing explosions and seeing flashes of light on the lower levels of the tower.

And the fact that the first WTC tower collapsed just after 7:00 AM (my time) made this whole thing even more eerie. It was Deja Vu watching that thing come down. And more Deja Vu seeing a few fragments of a steel frame poking out of a pile of pulverized concrete.

The implosion and the aftermath of it looked VERY similar to the controlled demolition of the Trade Towers.

[diamondD]

That's because they were buildings that were brought down. And it's only eerie because you didn't have your tin foil wrapped tight enough. The secret thought police rays are getting thru. Simple explanation., And every bit as factual as yours. ;)


Where are these witnesses? Are they as factual as your claim the Exxon chairman didn't pay any taxes on his bonus?


Making shit up and claiming "eerie" coincidences only proves you are really reaching to make someone believe the same crap you do.

[Guitar Shark]

Owned.

(Guess I owe royalties to Jizzystool now)

[diamondD]

Originally posted by diamondD
I've posted a picture of a piece of the plane that showed the passenger windows.


Why do you continuosly ingore this but yet continue to harp on a reporter that was a couple miles away as your key eyewitness?


I'm sure those passengers that died would have been more than happy for you to be wrong. I'm also sure their relatives would like nothing more that to slap the fuck out of you for suggesting their family members were part of a coverup and weren't really dead or were killed by the government another way. You wouldn't have the balls to repeat any of this crap to them in person.

[diamondD]

Originally posted by Guitar Shark
Owned.

(Guess I owe royalties to Jizzystool now)


LOL:D

[ELVIS]

Originally posted by Drblacwood84
anybody got a vid/?


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:elvis:

[FORD]

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[diamondD]

Did anyone sane watch the video Elvis posted and think they had another other resemblence to the WTC other than the fact they both hit the ground?


Seriously, a BSCE-less answer. I see explosions going off on the botton and the lower levels that I don't see in the WTC videos before it collapsed.

[ELVIS]

They were much too clever to let the explosions be seen...

[FORD]

Originally posted by ELVIS
They were much too clever to let the explosions be seen...

It's fucking lower Manhattan. There are high rise buldings all around, so it's hard to see the clouds of dust and smoke coming from the lower levels, at least from every camera angle.

Big difference from a single tower surrounded by open space.

[diamondD]

Dream on. That's a load of crap. There's plenty of footage. You're just so delusional you can't see it.

[Nitro Express]

I just think the buildings in New York City are built like shit and the ones in Philladelphia are much more resistant to fire.

[Julius]

Originally posted by diamondD
That's because they were buildings that were brought down. And it's only eerie because you didn't have your tin foil wrapped tight enough. The secret thought police rays are getting thru. Simple explanation., And every bit as factual as yours. ;)


Where are these witnesses? Are they as factual as your claim the Exxon chairman didn't pay any taxes on his bonus?


Making shit up and claiming "eerie" coincidences only proves you are really reaching to make someone believe the same crap you do.

5 Stars for the tinfoil reference.

Wish I could give you 5 more for the rest of the post, but sadly there's only so much nut-hugging allowed here.

Obligatory smilie. :)

[rustoffa]

It's all fucking crazy. I'm so sick and fucking tired of all of it.

The Columbia River leads directly to the answer in your hat.

They put the motherfucker there because of the insane motherfucking high-pressure-wind-funneling aspect of THE GORGE.

I've been there. I've seen the wind kick up to eighty fucking miles-an-hour in the time it took to eat a pizza, and disregard BIRKENSTOCKING WHORES.

They drag NUCYOOLAR subarines up that motherfucking river. BIRKENSTOCKING woofters get edgy when you comment about the BIRKENSTOCKING whores!

Anyway, the river has a long history, and you can get towed into big fucking swells on it by jetskis'.

[FORD]

Originally posted by rustoffa
It's all fucking crazy. I'm so sick and fucking tired of all of it.

The Columbia River leads directly to the answer in your hat.

They put the motherfucker there because of the insane motherfucking high-pressure-wind-funneling aspect of THE GORGE.

I've been there. I've seen the wind kick up to eighty fucking miles-an-hour in the time it took to eat a pizza, and disregard BIRKENSTOCKING WHORES.

They drag NUCYOOLAR subarines up that motherfucking river. BIRKENSTOCKING woofters get edgy when you comment about the BIRKENSTOCKING whores!

Anyway, the river has a long history, and you can get towed into big fucking swells on it by jetskis'.

The Gorge is indeed windy as a motherfucker, but where Trojan was is considerably downstream from there. We're talking northwest of Portland here. Probably about 1/3 of the way from Portland to Astoria.

Probably not much wind out of the ordinary around there.

On the other hand, I remember tent camping at Wanapum State Park which is right off the river in Vantage (about 15 minutes south of The Gorge concert venue) and you have to very careful of how you stake down your fucking tent there, or you might wake up down river.