Zakk Wylde

[binnie]

How does everyone rate this guy?

I think we'd all agree that Ozzy's material for the past 15 years has been weak, but Zakk is one hell of a player, you know who it is in one bar right?

Opinions please.

[binnie]

Me personally, he's never had the "wow" factor of Rhoades, but hell not many do!

[m_dixon1984]

Zakk's always impressed me live and with some of his solo stuff, but not with BLS so much. Pride and Glory and Book of Shadows are his 2 best, in my opinion. His solo on the Ozzy DVD Live At Budokan is great. He also gives his fans what they want and that's lots of music. You'd be hard pressed to find a more prolific guitarist over the past 10 years.

M

[binnie]

That's true he is prolific.

I'm with you on Pride and Glory and Bool...


however I also think the first BLS album "Sonic Brew" is amazing, the other records haven't been able to match it.

[m_dixon1984]

I like Sonic Brew and Blessed Hellride but overall I think the BLS sound has had its day. Too much of the same thing has started to diminish Zakk's overall status as a guitar god (or minor deity).

M

[binnie]

Originally posted by m_dixon1984
I like Sonic Brew and Blessed Hellride but overall I think the BLS sound has had its day. Too much of the same thing has started to diminish Zakk's overall status as a guitar god (or minor deity).

M

i think you are right, I mean6 of the same album, maybe a little too prolific!

However, he has one due which has been produced by Michael Beinhorn, and is on Roadrunner,


Maybe a producer that will push him and edit the songs will help bring out real classic?

he is certainly a guitar God, up there with Dime for this generation

[Terry]

Kinda bored with his whole pinched harmonic on the low E string and then bend-the-fuck-out-of-it thing...

But I'll admit I was pretty impressed with him when I first heard him...believe the first time was when listening to Miracle Man - some nice, clean, speedy, melodic picking going on there.

His whole thing of wearing camouflage or Army jackets and green Army pants, and the green and black military face paint - seems like every time I see him on the cover of or inside Guitar World he's trying to make himself out as some kinda bad-ass, gritting and bearing his teeth and raising a clenched fist at the camera - does this guy have some separation issues with his childhood G.I.Joe doll, or what?

Kinda laughable, although I'm sure he'd give me a beating if I told him this face-to-face.

He's talented enough, I suppose. Out of what's left out there, he is probably one of the higher profile living guitar players I enjoy, who still digs serving up slamming hard rock, and isn't jacking off via his instrument a la Vai.

Hasn't really done anything THAT groundbreaking to distinguish himself from the pack, IMO, but he's a good player.

[Mr Badguy]

Great player, no doubt, but not one of my favourites.

Like Terry I can`t stand all of the pinched harmonics and I`m not too keen on his guitar sound at all.

Never wrote a song that was any good, except perhaps "No more tears".

Of all the guitarists who have recorded with Ozzy (studio and live), Zakk is my least favourite.

[Seshmeister]

I agree totally except that he didn't write No More Tears, or at least the bits that made it good. I don't have the album handy to check the credits actually I don't have any post Jake E Lee stuff on CD.

The reason you can tell it's him is he keeps doing the same stuff again and again. I've never heard anything from BLS that was better than boring derivative stuff. Probably works well enough live if you've drank enough.

There were a few good riffs on No Rest For the Wicked but it was quite a weak album and it's gone downhill from there really.

It's not that he isn't a good guitarist just that the people he followed were so good it made him seem ordinary.

[Panamark]

I think its time for Ozzy to find the next "Randy" guitarist !!

Hopefully one that has a secret fetish for fisting.
That way we will get a great new guitarist and material,
plus you know that Sharon wont be able to resist
a sneaky fling behind the scenes with him.
Then WHAMMO !!
What we have all wanted for years :)

Win Win all around I reckon....

[Seshmeister]

There's not enough fisting on TV.

Actually I wish Ozzy would just retire.

I liked the old days when you laughed with him rather than at him.

[Panamark]

Yeah, I think Ozzy has pretty much done it all now.
I havent liked any of albums since "No More Tears".
I hate Sharon Osbourne (She should be anally fisted on MTV !)

I think the only thing left for Ozzy now is to hook up with
Iommi and give us that final Sabbath album..

After that, let the poor bastard sit back in his mansion
and take as much vicodin and wine as he so desires !!

[Terry]

Originally posted by Seshmeister
There's not enough fisting on TV.

Actually I wish Ozzy would just retire.

I liked the old days when you laughed with him rather than at him.


I wonder if he realizes this, but probably not...

Sharon keeps him too medicated to know what's going on.

[bueno bob]

Zakk did a really awesome job on "No Rest for the Wicked". I could fucking care less about him beyond that. He's completely overrated, so-so guitarist and hasn't done ANYTHING with ANYBODY that has ever came near to touching that album.

[bueno bob]

Originally posted by Panamark
I think the only thing left for Ozzy now is to hook up with
Iommi and give us that final Sabbath album..

Honestly, I'd rather not...gotta respectfully disagree with you here, Mark...

Ozzy just can't sing anymore...his dependancy on Protools in order to digitize his voice is just too much for me to bear...a new Sabbath disc just wouldn't measure up to the old stuff for me because of that, so I'd rather not see it happen at all.

I think Tony's still putting out OK material, and Geezer's stuff absolutely kicks ass all over the place...I'm cool with that...

As far as Ozzy's concerned...he's done...

[The_KiD]

Originally posted by bueno bob
Honestly, I'd rather not...gotta respectfully disagree with you here, Mark...

Ozzy just can't sing anymore...his dependancy on Protools in order to digitize his voice is just too much for me to bear...a new Sabbath disc just wouldn't measure up to the old stuff for me because of that, so I'd rather not see it happen at all.

I think Tony's still putting out OK material, and Geezer's stuff absolutely kicks ass all over the place...I'm cool with that...

As far as Ozzy's concerned...he's done...

I absolutely concur.. He should have let things lie a while ago. I liked Ozzy much better before Sharon got her Talons in him and has used him as her Media Puppet.

He is done..

KiD

[binnie]

Yep and those two new songs on the sabbath live album were awful...

[bueno bob]

Originally posted by binnie
Yep and those two new songs on the sabbath live album were awful...

Very, very rushed. Sony demanded that they get them onto the album and Tony and Geezer simply didn't have time to do anything better...

I don't think Bill even played on them, if memory serves...

Makes a good case for why I always count Forbidden as a vastly underrated album...

[binnie]

Forbidden was underrated, that's true.

[Terry]

Meh.

I'm not so hot to hear any new Sabbath album with Ozzy, to be honest. I'm content with what's already been put out there.

I'd sooner want to see RJD get back with Tony and Geezer than Ozzy, far as studio stuff goes.

[MAX]

I like Zakk but out of that "style" of playin' I gotta go with my old boy Mr. Lynch...

Into tha fiya!!! :killer:

http://www.chris-watson.com/blackrose_clip_image006.jpg

[Panamark]

Perhaps you are all correct.

But heres another angle to think about, (lets not even
mention Van Halen)
The real creators of Heavy Metal to me, were Led Zep, Black Sabbath
and Judas Priest. All of them started in the late 60's and helped
to define what metal was in the 70's.
Priest are touring and have reformed, they are still offering
*something* to us. Led Zep are over (RIP Bonzo)

So I guess theres a small part of me that would love to see
the original Sabbath release an epic album.. Its almost like they
are the last of that era to have all original members alive.

Could they ??? Sounds like you all think they couldnt.
Perhaps you are right. But it would be fucking great if
they did..

I think some of you missed my point too, Im totally over
Ozzy (apart from the classic stuff) He hasnt done jack shit since
"No More Tears" and even that was starting to show the strain...

For me, the only thing that Ozzy could possibly have to offer
now would be the Sabbath reunion album.. With Sharon locked
away for a year while they make it...

I agree with all your points. But I would still buy this, if it ever
happens...

[binnie]

Admitedly, I'd still buy the album if they made one

[Shaun Ponsonby]

Originally posted by Panamark
I think its time for Ozzy to find the next "Randy" guitarist !!



I think its time Ozzy retired.

[Shaun Ponsonby]

I used to like Zakk, but after he joined Sharon for that Maiden-Bashing, I went right off him.

Good enough guitarist, though. Not brilliant, but good.

[binnie]

It seems that most of us agree he doesn't have the X factor of an all time great.....

[Shaun Ponsonby]

He doesn't, but I do.

[Hardrock69]

He is still a hot fucking guitarist....and unlike many who are technically great, he has a unique style, enough so that I can instantly tell him apart from other soloists...

[ashstralia]

lemmy had a big hand in 'no more tears'.....

and zakk's solo in that song is fucking insane.

remember those early guitar mag ads when he was a hair metal pretty boy?

hehehehe

now he's like.... so totally different..

[ElPatron]

Zakk playing IMO:
No Rest For The Wicked - gREAT Impressive what OZZY really needed at the time, Was easy to see that ZAkk respected Randy.
No More Tears - Overrated.
Live & Loud - It's perhaps Zakk best playing, aggressive he even recognized that the beggining of Shot in the dark was sampled because he didn't wanna break more strings or something like that.
Ozzmosis - 1rst that it was Vai, didn't worked and Zakk again, I can't stand the production & mix.
Down To Earth - underrated.

Live at Budokan(DVD) - it's entertaining, Zakk puts on a good show here, but nothing impressive anymore...

I never cared for his solo records.

[sadaist]

Originally posted by Terry

Kinda laughable, although I'm sure he'd give me a beating if I told him this face-to-face.

He didn't used to look so tough. Anyways, I always thought after Randy, Jake E. Lee was the last great guitarist Ozzy had. Zakk is definitely heavy duty, but so are a lot of guys.

[binnie]

Ahhh the '80's!

The playing on "No rest..." is exceptional, it's just that by that point in the '80's it was hard to be original, we'd heard it all before.

[Douglas T.]

I like ZAKKs earlier stuff best! Sat and watched Song remains the same with the man and his band!


http://hometown.aol.com/dtskynyrd/myhomepage/books.html

[Mr Grimsdale]

Originally posted by Seshmeister
There's not enough fisting on TV.

YEAH!

[Mr Grimsdale]

true, zakk does the same thing over and over again but at the end of the day that's what most big name guitarists do

take eddie... start solo, do some tapping, then some whammy stuff, maybe a bit more tapping or a bluesy lick then end with trem picking

how many times was that commited to tape?

[Mr Badguy]

GERTCHA!

[mako_kimura]

Originally posted by MAX
I like Zakk but out of that "style" of playin' I gotta go with my old boy Mr. Lynch...

Into tha fiya!!! :killer:

http://www.chris-watson.com/blackrose_clip_image006.jpg You just said what I'm telling the guys at Randy Rhoads.tk. They give polls on Ozzy's next guitarist when Zakk goes on tour this summer with BLS. I think Mr. Scary will bring some variety to the stage

[Terry]

Originally posted by Panamark
Perhaps you are all correct.

But heres another angle to think about, (lets not even
mention Van Halen)
The real creators of Heavy Metal to me, were Led Zep, Black Sabbath
and Judas Priest. All of them started in the late 60's and helped
to define what metal was in the 70's.
Priest are touring and have reformed, they are still offering
*something* to us. Led Zep are over (RIP Bonzo)

So I guess theres a small part of me that would love to see
the original Sabbath release an epic album.. Its almost like they
are the last of that era to have all original members alive.

Could they ??? Sounds like you all think they couldnt.
Perhaps you are right. But it would be fucking great if
they did..

I think some of you missed my point too, Im totally over
Ozzy (apart from the classic stuff) He hasnt done jack shit since
"No More Tears" and even that was starting to show the strain...

For me, the only thing that Ozzy could possibly have to offer
now would be the Sabbath reunion album.. With Sharon locked
away for a year while they make it...

I agree with all your points. But I would still buy this, if it ever
happens...


I have no doubt Tony and Geezer could come up with some good stuff; every Sabbath album - EVERY one (even the post-Dio era ones) have flashes of brilliance at the very least, and most of the albums prior to Seventh Star were out and out excellent.

Bill Ward seems to be a bit more settled now.

My only problem with it is that for Ozzy to participate, it'll be Sharon running the show, because he essentially does what she tells him to, and without Ozzy there's no reunion. And Sharon's input would undoubtedly be to the detriment of the end results.

[Panamark]

Originally posted by Terry
I have no doubt Tony and Geezer could come up with some good stuff; every Sabbath album - EVERY one (even the post-Dio era ones) have flashes of brilliance at the very least, and most of the albums prior to Seventh Star were out and out excellent.

Bill Ward seems to be a bit more settled now.

My only problem with it is that for Ozzy to participate, it'll be Sharon running the show, because he essentially does what she tells him to, and without Ozzy there's no reunion. And Sharon's input would undoubtedly be to the detriment of the end results.

Agreed, if they cant lock that bitch away, then its probably not a great
idea...

If we need proof we dont have to look far, those butchered remixes
of Diary and Blizzard are a fucking joke. I remember Elvis sending
me a few of the tracks from those, the drums and bass sound totally
fucking wrong... If I had bought those albums without knowing
kerslake/Daisley were removed, I would have demanded my money
back..

Crikies, she is a total bitch..

[Bill Lumbergh]

I like Zakk with Ozzy, but BLS is pretty fucking ordinary.........

[binnie]

Pride and Glory anyone?

Zakk finest hour!

[Douglas T.]

ZAKK needs to get off the hatred for lead singers and find one to front his band!

[Mr Badguy]

Originally posted by binnie
Pride and Glory anyone?

Zakk finest hour!

Saw them supporting Whitesnake at the Edinburgh Playhouse in 1994.

I know some people have a hard on for them but I thought they were pretty ordinary.

[bastardog]

After "No Rest for the Wicked" everything goes downhills for Zakk and Ozzy........in my oppinion Zak killed Ozzy (in terms of music.....Sharon killed the rest of Ozzy).
He is a good guitarrist.......he can do a riff but not an original melody to a song

[binnie]

Miracle Man?

[Mr Grimsdale]

very much so

[ELVIS]

Zakk sings about as good as an average bar singer...

Maybe not even that good...

[WACF]

Zakk's voice takes quite some time to get used to.

Alot of BLS just cries out for Ozzy on vocals.

[Jimmy Jingles]

Zakk...

Hardest working Man in Metal.

[binnie]

Originally posted by Jimmy Jingles
Zakk...

Hardest working Man in Metal.

True...

[bueno bob]

New Sabbath is on the way, yes, but (sorry Mark) Ronnie Dio's doing it...

Personally, I can't wait...

[Mr Badguy]

Originally posted by Jimmy Jingles
Zakk...

Hardest working Man in Metal.

Wouldn`t that be Dave Grohl?

That cunt is everywhere.

Anyway, he might have done a lot of hard work but how many truely great songs has he got to show for it?

[bueno bob]

Tattooed Dancer...

Well, one I guess.

:)

[binnie]

That's a great riff.

Sabbath with Ronnie is good enough for me!

[bueno bob]

Originally posted by binnie
That's a great riff.

Sabbath with Ronnie is good enough for me!

Hopefully the new Dio/Sabbath stuff will hit before the year's out...

I can't see why it wouldn't...

[binnie]

Cool,

If its half as good as Heaven and Hell it will be worth it...

[bueno bob]

Well, I've heard:

1. It's unreleased 1980 demos re-recorded; and

2. It's totally new material.

I don't know which to believe, but either way...I don't give a shit...

\,,/

[binnie]

Cool!

Can't wait!

[Vinnie Velvet]

Originally posted by bueno bob
Very, very rushed. Sony demanded that they get them onto the album and Tony and Geezer simply didn't have time to do anything better...

I don't think Bill even played on them, if memory serves...

Makes a good case for why I always count Forbidden as a vastly underrated album...

Bill did play on "Psycho Man" (which I thought was a good song), but he didn't play on the other tune, "Losing my Soul" (a drum machine substituted for him).

[Vinnie Velvet]

Originally posted by bueno bob
New Sabbath is on the way, yes, but (sorry Mark) Ronnie Dio's doing it...

Personally, I can't wait...

I don't think it will be called "Black Sabbath" though.

Its basically just stuff Dio and Tony have been working on.

To my knowledge, Geezer and Bill are not even involved.

[binnie]

Keep the faith alive!

[bueno bob]

Originally posted by Vinnie Velvet
Bill did play on "Psycho Man" (which I thought was a good song), but he didn't play on the other tune, "Losing my Soul" (a drum machine substituted for him).

Ahhh...clears that up...

And it was "Selling My Soul" - but you're close :)

[bueno bob]

Originally posted by Vinnie Velvet
I don't think it will be called "Black Sabbath" though.

Its basically just stuff Dio and Tony have been working on.

To my knowledge, Geezer and Bill are not even involved.

Well...so far as I was aware, it was supposed to be out on a Black Sabbath compilation release called "The Dio Years"...

??? :confused: ???

We need more details!! :eek:

[binnie]

Indeed...

[Hoongood]

This guy has single handedly kept heavy guitar music alive for the last 15 years.

ZAKK RULES!

[bueno bob]

Originally posted by Hoongood
This guy has single handedly kept heavy guitar music alive for the last 15 years.

ZAKK RULES!

Oh please.

I'm sorry, but if you truly think that, than you have no idea what heavy is all about...

[binnie]

MMMMM, he has a point, although 15 yeares may be overstating it.


Zakk was one guy with a fair amount of media coverage that never stopped playing solos when all that Nu Metal shit was about.

However, whilst he has done a lot

don't forget Dimebag........

Or Slash.....

[mako_kimura]

Something tells me that Hoonegood here is just another kid, like me. Most metal head kids nowadays think Kirk Hammet and Zakk Wylde are the greatest things since sliced bread. In all honesty, I think Zakk sounded better beardless and a bit more sober

[binnie]

LOL!


Beardless and Sober, I like that,

sounds like one of his songs...

[Hoongood]

No kid here. I cut my teeth back when I though Ace Frehley could wail. Anyway, who has done more in the last 15 years than Zakk?
Dime was good, but on the later albums the solos got scarce. Slash has given us what, 2 albums since 1992?
I like both of those guys, but do you realize just how many kick ass albums Zakk has made since 1991, the year that music died?
He has been carrying the torch!

[Diamondjimi]

My least favourite Ozzy guitarist . Period
Should've stuck with the Pride A Glory thing. BLS? most of it sounds the same . The fact that they think they're a motorcycle gang is fuckin hilarious .........LOL !

[binnie]

It is a little silly isn't it!

[bueno bob]

Originally posted by diamondjimi
My least favourite Ozzy guitarist . Period
Should've stuck with the Pride A Glory thing. BLS? most of it sounds the same . The fact that they think they're a motorcycle gang is fuckin hilarious .........LOL !

Yes, but admittedly, Zakk's done a great job of stealing Tony Iommi's riffs... :rolleyes:

[binnie]

Originally posted by bueno bob
Yes, but admittedly, Zakk's done a great job of stealing Tony Iommi's riffs... :rolleyes:

LOL!

True dat.


riff writing is his weak spot!

[binnie]

Originally posted by Hoongood
No kid here. I cut my teeth back when I though Ace Frehley could wail. Anyway, who has done more in the last 15 years than Zakk?
Dime was good, but on the later albums the solos got scarce. Slash has given us what, 2 albums since 1992?
I like both of those guys, but do you realize just how many kick ass albums Zakk has made since 1991, the year that music died?
He has been carrying the torch!

Ok, but quantity isn't always better than quality.

Dimebag will be remembered of the metal guitar player of this period.

And Slash is a legend.

i love Zakk's stuff, but hasn't single-handledly kept guitar music alive....

[Hoongood]

Originally posted by binnie
Dimebag will be remembered of the metal guitar player of this period.



Yes, but only because he died. Dying young is always good for an artist's career.

[binnie]

Originally posted by Hoongood
Yes, but only because he died. Dying young is always good for an artist's career.

That's true, but it's also because he was the most talented and truly original player.

When you here a song, you know it's him in 2 bars.

Even Zakk would say Dime's the better player.

[Douglas T.]

New video on the shelves! there's a clip playing here!

http://www.myspace.com/blacklabelsociety

[VAN HLN CA]

BLS big loada shit-Roid Rock if your growth hormones make you so pumped your face starts morphing you get to wear the vest-Depeche mode has alot more to say than these guys. For roid rock stick with Lynch

[Douglas T.]

Everytime I've met George he's been an ass on the other hand ZAKK was very friendly! Does george have a new disc he would like to share?

[mako_kimura]

Mr. Scary's got a new CD of lost recordings he did called the Lost Anthology. But I think both Zakk and George are really down to earth guys

[binnie]

I'm gonna pick up the new BLS DVD, you know exactly what your getting.

HEAVY FUCKING METAL!!

[binnie]

Hell Yeah, got the new DVD!!

Fucking incredible DVD!

material sounds way better live than it does on record - one HEAVY band.

Zakk's voice sounds the same as it does on record (for better or worse) -

A fantastic peformance, sounds phenomenal!!

Only criticism is that it's a bit overblown in places, a lot of jams to pad out songs - probably great if you were actually at the gig, but not all that entertaining on DVD.

Best point is when Zakk gets pissed of with one of the monitors and kicks it off stage. So the crowd control gus put it back on. He keeps kicking it off and they put it back on. Eventually he just throws it into the crowd.

Excellent!!

[Douglas T.]

HEH! I mentioned this story a while back somewhere! True story! After winning a chance to spend some time with the band in a VIP area where we watched Song Remains the Same and drank many bears! The band goes on stage to do their show! I am right in front as usuall and there is a monitor right in front of me! ZAKK keeps putting his foot on it to jam and it keeps sliding toward the edge of the stage! Soooo I have a new job! Hold the monitor on the stage as ZAKK smiles and pushes against it as if playing games with me! "Hey DT ... you either push against this amp or it's going on the floor!" A few months later they return to do an accoustic show! we walk in late and it's kinda quiet like between songs! We tip toe thru this crowd along te front edge of the stage which s about two feet high! Standing room only! So looking sad and shaking my head as we pass ... ZAKK to my suprise motions for us me and my wife to join a few other sitting n the stage! that was so cool! Then when the show was over! He uses my head as a banister rail to leave the stage!! TRUE STORY!

http://members.aol.com/Dougspage/Dougs_World/ZAKK_WYLDE/IMAG0001.JPG

[binnie]

Fucking great story DT!!

Never had the pleasure of meeting the man myself!!

Saw Pride & Glory in 1994 at Donnington - awesome, best guitar solo I have ever seen at the close of the set!

Going to see BLS in March - after watching the DVD, can't wait!!

[WACF]

Went to get it and could not find it.
Hopefully next week.

I read some comments that some fans thought that perhaps the vocals had been fixed up in the studio...a good ole Ozzy trick.

What do you guys that have it think....BS or what?

[binnie]

mmmm, I don't know.

His vocals are never that great anyway (even in the studio), so I don't think that they suffer much live

To me it sounded like there was a lot of effects helping him out on the stage, rather than in the studio.

I don't think it was patched up, sounded a little too raw to me.

[WACF]

Cool...I find it disapointing to watch something live that is not really live.

[WACF]

On another note...I have read that the new Dream Theater DVD is outstanding.

[VAN HLN CA]

Zak is a great guitarist so my fit post was outta line. I just havent really dug the BLS albums except for some of the songs. After seeing what I wrote it wasnt cool. Not my favorite vocalist but he does walk the talk, my bad.