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DrMaddVibe
06-14-2006, 06:00 PM
By Tom Harris
Monday, June 12, 2006

"Scientists have an independent obligation to respect and present the truth as they see it," Al Gore sensibly asserts in his film "An Inconvenient Truth", showing at Cumberland 4 Cinemas in Toronto since Jun 2. With that outlook in mind, what do world climate experts actually think about the science of his movie?

Professor Bob Carter of the Marine Geophysical Laboratory at James Cook University, in Australia gives what, for many Canadians, is a surprising assessment: "Gore's circumstantial arguments are so weak that they are pathetic. It is simply incredible that they, and his film, are commanding public attention."

But surely Carter is merely part of what most people regard as a tiny cadre of "climate change skeptics" who disagree with the "vast majority of scientists" Gore cites?

No; Carter is one of hundreds of highly qualified non-governmental, non-industry, non-lobby group climate experts who contest the hypothesis that human emissions of carbon dioxide (CO2) are causing significant global climate change. "Climate experts" is the operative term here. Why? Because what Gore's "majority of scientists" think is immaterial when only a very small fraction of them actually work in the climate field.

Even among that fraction, many focus their studies on the impacts of climate change; biologists, for example, who study everything from insects to polar bears to poison ivy. "While many are highly skilled researchers, they generally do not have special knowledge about the causes of global climate change," explains former University of Winnipeg climatology professor Dr. Tim Ball. "They usually can tell us only about the effects of changes in the local environment where they conduct their studies."

This is highly valuable knowledge, but doesn't make them climate change cause experts, only climate impact experts.

So we have a smaller fraction.

But it becomes smaller still. Among experts who actually examine the causes of change on a global scale, many concentrate their research on designing and enhancing computer models of hypothetical futures. "These models have been consistently wrong in all their scenarios," asserts Ball. "Since modelers concede computer outputs are not "predictions" but are in fact merely scenarios, they are negligent in letting policy-makers and the public think they are actually making forecasts."

We should listen most to scientists who use real data to try to understand what nature is actually telling us about the causes and extent of global climate change. In this relatively small community, there is no consensus, despite what Gore and others would suggest.

Here is a small sample of the side of the debate we almost never hear:

Appearing before the Commons Committee on Environment and Sustainable Development last year, Carleton University paleoclimatologist Professor Tim Patterson testified, "There is no meaningful correlation between CO2 levels and Earth's temperature over this [geologic] time frame. In fact, when CO2 levels were over ten times higher than they are now, about 450 million years ago, the planet was in the depths of the absolute coldest period in the last half billion years." Patterson asked the committee, "On the basis of this evidence, how could anyone still believe that the recent relatively small increase in CO2 levels would be the major cause of the past century's modest warming?"

Patterson concluded his testimony by explaining what his research and "hundreds of other studies" reveal: on all time scales, there is very good correlation between Earth's temperature and natural celestial phenomena such changes in the brightness of the Sun.

Dr. Boris Winterhalter, former marine researcher at the Geological Survey of Finland and professor in marine geology, University of Helsinki, takes apart Gore's dramatic display of Antarctic glaciers collapsing into the sea. "The breaking glacier wall is a normally occurring phenomenon which is due to the normal advance of a glacier," says Winterhalter. "In Antarctica the temperature is low enough to prohibit melting of the ice front, so if the ice is grounded, it has to break off in beautiful ice cascades. If the water is deep enough icebergs will form."

Dr. Wibjörn Karlén, emeritus professor, Dept. of Physical Geography and Quaternary Geology, Stockholm University, Sweden, admits, "Some small areas in the Antarctic Peninsula have broken up recently, just like it has done back in time. The temperature in this part of Antarctica has increased recently, probably because of a small change in the position of the low pressure systems."

But Karlén clarifies that the 'mass balance' of Antarctica is positive - more snow is accumulating than melting off. As a result, Ball explains, there is an increase in the 'calving' of icebergs as the ice dome of Antarctica is growing and flowing to the oceans. When Greenland and Antarctica are assessed together, "their mass balance is considered to possibly increase the sea level by 0.03 mm/year - not much of an effect," Karlén concludes.

The Antarctica has survived warm and cold events over millions of years. A meltdown is simply not a realistic scenario in the foreseeable future.

Gore tells us in the film, "Starting in 1970, there was a precipitous drop-off in the amount and extent and thickness of the Arctic ice cap." This is misleading, according to Ball: "The survey that Gore cites was a single transect across one part of the Arctic basin in the month of October during the 1960s when we were in the middle of the cooling period. The 1990 runs were done in the warmer month of September, using a wholly different technology."

Karlén explains that a paper published in 2003 by University of Alaska professor Igor Polyakov shows that, the region of the Arctic where rising temperature is supposedly endangering polar bears showed fluctuations since 1940 but no overall temperature rise. "For several published records it is a decrease for the last 50 years," says Karlén

Dr. Dick Morgan, former advisor to the World Meteorological Organization and climatology researcher at University of Exeter, U.K. gives the details, "There has been some decrease in ice thickness in the Canadian Arctic over the past 30 years but no melt down. The Canadian Ice Service records show that from 1971-1981 there was average, to above average, ice thickness. From 1981-1982 there was a sharp decrease of 15% but there was a quick recovery to average, to slightly above average, values from 1983-1995. A sharp drop of 30% occurred again 1996-1998 and since then there has been a steady increase to reach near normal conditions since 2001."

Concerning Gore's beliefs about worldwide warming, Morgan points out that, in addition to the cooling in the NW Atlantic, massive areas of cooling are found in the North and South Pacific Ocean; the whole of the Amazon Valley; the north coast of South America and the Caribbean; the eastern Mediterranean, Black Sea, Caucasus and Red Sea; New Zealand and even the Ganges Valley in India. Morgan explains, "Had the IPCC used the standard parameter for climate change (the 30 year average) and used an equal area projection, instead of the Mercator (which doubled the area of warming in Alaska, Siberia and the Antarctic Ocean) warming and cooling would have been almost in balance."

Gore's point that 200 cities and towns in the American West set all time high temperature records is also misleading according to Dr. Roy Spencer, Principal Research Scientist at The University of Alabama in Huntsville. "It is not unusual for some locations, out of the thousands of cities and towns in the U.S., to set all-time records," he says. "The actual data shows that overall, recent temperatures in the U.S. were not unusual."

Carter does not pull his punches about Gore's activism, "The man is an embarrassment to US science and its many fine practitioners, a lot of whom know (but feel unable to state publicly) that his propaganda crusade is mostly based on junk science."

In April sixty of the world's leading experts in the field asked Prime Minister Harper to order a thorough public review of the science of climate change, something that has never happened in Canada. Considering what's at stake - either the end of civilization, if you believe Gore, or a waste of billions of dollars, if you believe his opponents - it seems like a reasonable request.


Tom Harris is mechanical engineer and Ottawa Director of High Park Group, a public affairs and public policy company. He can be reached at letters@canadafreepress.com


http://www.canadafreepress.com/2006/harris061206.htm

Nickdfresh
06-14-2006, 06:06 PM
Yeah, a small minority --mostly on the payroll of big business...

matt19
06-14-2006, 06:12 PM
This is just another BCE cover up, didnt you know that?

Nickdfresh
06-14-2006, 06:32 PM
Originally posted by matt19
This is just another BCE cover up, didnt you know that?

Not at all...

There is one climatologist that disputes Global Warming, I think he's a professor at like maybe Iowa U. Other than that, there is virtually no debate in mainstream science on this question...

The "National Review" has an ongoing jihad against those that believe Global Warming is largely caused by human activity since the dawn of the Industrial Revolution. The problem is that most of their scientific basis for their beliefs propagated is that it's main science advisor's research is funded by a conglomerate of industries...

And no, it's not "BCE" because even the Bush Admin. admits that Global Warming, due to Human activity, is a serious threat (they just don't want to do anything about it).

I haven't seen Gore's movie, but I've heard it has received positive reviews from both Republicans and Democrats...

matt19
06-14-2006, 07:09 PM
I was being sarcastic, because it seems everything on this board is a BCE cover up if you dont agree with it.

DrMaddVibe
06-14-2006, 09:14 PM
Don't do that Matt...it confuses them.

ELVIS
06-14-2006, 09:25 PM
Originally posted by Nickdfresh
Yeah, a small minority --mostly on the payroll of big business...

algore is making a living by promoting fear of man-made global warming (which in no way can be proven), but you think the conspiracy is on the side that opposes it...:rolleyes:

Nickdfresh
06-14-2006, 10:32 PM
Originally posted by ELVIS
algore is making a living by promoting fear of man-made global warming (which in no way can be proven), but you think the conspiracy is on the side that opposes it...:rolleyes:

I never used the word "conspiracy." I don't find a few, at best, renegades and a relative few "scientists" working for (admittedly) research conglomerates funded by industry to be a "conspiracy."

DrMaddVibe
06-14-2006, 10:34 PM
You've got it backwards there nicker00.

You see what you want to see and not factual proof.

Nickdfresh
06-14-2006, 10:35 PM
Originally posted by matt19
I was being sarcastic, because it seems everything on this board is a BCE cover up if you dont agree with it.


Originally posted by DrMaddVibe
Don't do that Matt...it confuses them.

Try not to lump "us" (or "them") together boys...

I'm not the conspiracy freak here, and I've seen at least one of you extol a conspiracy theory yourself...

Nickdfresh
06-14-2006, 10:36 PM
Originally posted by DrMaddVibe
You've got it backwards there nicker00.

You see what you want to see and not factual proof.

LOfuckingL!!

Pot meet tea kettle Ms.KuntVibe...

DrMaddVibe
06-14-2006, 10:42 PM
Originally posted by Nickdfresh
LOfuckingL!!

Pot meet tea kettle Ms.KuntVibe...

http://www.wmconnolley.org.uk/sci/iceage/newsweek-coolingworld.pdf

You really are retarded.

Nickdfresh
06-14-2006, 11:03 PM
Originally posted by DrMaddVibe
http://www.wmconnolley.org.uk/sci/iceage/newsweek-coolingworld.pdf

You really are retarded.

Thanks for the article from 1975 dipswhit...

Is this supposed to prove that the world is actually cooling?

DrMaddVibe
06-14-2006, 11:04 PM
Originally posted by Nickdfresh
Thanks for the article from 1975 dipswhit...

Is this supposed to prove that the world is actually cooling?

Heating...no its cooling...no its heating!

Talk about making an issue out of nothing.


"dipswhit"....lol!

Nickdfresh
06-14-2006, 11:06 PM
So I'm right loose-asshole?

Scientists urge G8 not to ignore global warming
Wed Jun 14, 2006 12:21 PM BST

By Jeremy Lovell

LONDON (Reuters) - World leaders must not allow concern for energy security to distract them from taking promised action on global warming, top world scientists said on Wednesday.

Climate change solutions agreed at the G8 summit in Scotland a year ago risked being pushed off the agenda at next month's G8 summit in Russia by worries about security of energy supply, they said.

"One year on from the UK Gleneagles Summit, where the G8 committed to taking action on climate change, this crucial issue must not be allowed to fall by the wayside," said Martin Rees, president of the UK's Royal Society.

Rees is a signatory to the statement from the science academies of the G8 and China, Brazil, India and South Africa.

"The G8 must demonstrate that this was a serious pledge by integrating climate concerns with their discussions regarding security of supply," he said.

Britain pushed global warming to the top of the agenda during its presidency of the G8 in 2005, eliciting promises of action from some of the world's major polluters.

But energy supply worries have increased as Russia briefly turned off gas supplies in December in a dispute with Ukraine, Iraq's insurgency has escalated as has a nuclear row with Iran, factors that boosted oil prices to record levels.

Environmentalists say the topic has dominated discussions in the lead up to the G8 summit in St Petersberg from July 15-17, pushing a follow-up to the resounding Gleneagles climate change declarations all but off the agenda.

President Bush, who signed the Gleneagles declaration but has not ratified the Kyoto Protocol on tackling human-caused global warming by cutting carbon dioxide emissions, has called for reduced U.S. dependence on imported oil.

Partly as a result of energy security worries there has been a surge in interest in nuclear power and coal as power sources.

"As some of the most intensive users of energy in the world, the G8 nations bear a special responsibility to help stimulate the clean energy revolution that will deliver economically, environmentally and socially while ensuring the lights stay on," Rees said.

© Reuters 2006. All rights reserved. Republication or redistribution of Reuters content, including by caching, framing or similar means, is expressly prohibited without the prior written consent of Reuters. Reuters and the Reuters sphere logo are registered trademarks and trademarks of the Reuters group of companies around the world.

Link (http://today.reuters.co.uk/News/NewsArticle.aspx?type=scienceNews&storyID=2006-06-14T112127Z_01_L14523354_RTRIDST_0_SCIENCE-ENVIRONMENT-ENERGY-DC.XML)

DrMaddVibe
06-14-2006, 11:11 PM
Signing the Kyoto would be an economical disaster for the US.

That article says a whole lot of nothing by a whole lot of disguised "important" people.

Nickdfresh
06-14-2006, 11:11 PM
Originally posted by DrMaddVibe



"dipswhit"....lol!

Oh fag-fluffer, I made a typo, should I use my Firefox-spell check to extol all of your typos from the past, you monosyllabic cum-rag?

(You've made plenty sperm-sponge,):)

LOL

DrMaddVibe
06-14-2006, 11:13 PM
Originally posted by Nickdfresh
Oh fag-fluffer, I made a typo, should I use my Firefox-spell check to extol all of your typos from the past, you monosyllabic cum-rag?

(You've made plenty sperm-sponge,):)

LOL

Face it...you're retarded.

Nickdfresh
06-14-2006, 11:14 PM
Originally posted by DrMaddVibe
Signing the Kyoto would be an economical disaster for the US.

So would "rebuilding Iraq" and allowing Wal-Mart to force US companies to outsource production to China (a country we're building up our military against)...

We've never let it stop us before...

BTW, I never said anything about Kyoto, you did.

Nickdfresh
06-14-2006, 11:16 PM
Originally posted by DrMaddVibe
Face it...you're retarded.

Yeah, I'm the king of all retards Ms.Let'sKillDemocratsVibe...

DrMaddVibe
06-14-2006, 11:19 PM
Hey retard...the "article" you gravitated to mentioned Kyoto. Its the lynchpin to the entire birdcage liner.

Stay with one topic here Sparky. Don't short out trying to do some multi-task thinking without foLIARrd's help.

LoungeMachine
06-14-2006, 11:19 PM
Originally posted by DrMaddVibe
Face it...you're retarded.


Oh, the irony.....

:lol:


Family reunions make you uncomfortable, I bet....

DrMaddVibe
06-14-2006, 11:21 PM
Originally posted by LoungeMachine
Oh, the irony.....

:lol:


Family reunions make you uncomfortable, I bet....


I guess in the same manner reality does for you.

Nickdfresh
06-14-2006, 11:28 PM
Originally posted by DrMaddVibe
Hey retard...the "article" you gravitated to mentioned Kyoto. Its the lynchpin to the entire birdcage liner.

Um, no dick-dock. Global warming has been around long before "Kyoto." And if it's so economically suicidal, why is it that so many countries signed?


Stay with one topic here Sparky. Don't short out trying to do some multi-task thinking without foLIARrd's help.

"folLIArd?" When have I ever lapped Ford? Show me an example you marionette Republo-monkey twat....

BTW, you spelled "linchpin" wrong ass-douche...;)

FORD
06-14-2006, 11:34 PM
The "scientists" in Assvibe's article are the equivalent of the Tobacco Institute research scientists who claimed even into the late 90's that cigarettes didn't cause cancer.

Nickdfresh
06-14-2006, 11:48 PM
Originally posted by FORD
The "scientists" in Assvibe's article are the equivalent of the Tobacco Institute research scientists who claimed even into the late 90's that cigarettes didn't cause cancer.

Exactly. Or the American Petroleum Institute (API) "scientists: that claimed that, in the 90's, oil came from rocks and not dinosaurs (but now have completely changed their tune since oil has gone through the roof)...