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BigBadBrian
06-22-2006, 01:24 PM
Report: Hundreds of WMDs Found in Iraq
Thursday, June 22, 2006


WASHINGTON — The United States has found 500 chemical weapons in Iraq since 2003, and more weapons of mass destruction are likely to be uncovered, two Republican lawmakers said Wednesday.

"We have found weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, chemical weapons," Sen. Rick Santorum, R-Pa., said in a quickly called press conference late Wednesday afternoon.

Reading from a declassified portion of a report by the National Ground Intelligence Center, a Defense Department intelligence unit, Santorum said: "Since 2003, coalition forces have recovered approximately 500 weapons munitions which contain degraded mustard or sarin nerve agent. Despite many efforts to locate and destroy Iraq's pre-Gulf War chemical munitions, filled and unfilled pre-Gulf War chemical munitions are assessed to still exist."

He added that the report warns about the hazards that the chemical weapons could still pose to coalition troops in Iraq.

"The purity of the agents inside the munitions depends on many factors, including the manufacturing process, potential additives and environmental storage conditions. While agents degrade over time, chemical warfare agents remain hazardous and potentially lethal," Santorum read from the document.

"This says weapons have been discovered, more weapons exist and they state that Iraq was not a WMD-free zone, that there are continuing threats from the materials that are or may still be in Iraq," said Rep. Pete Hoekstra, R-Mich., chairman of the House Intelligence Committee.

The weapons are thought to be manufactured before 1991 so they would not be proof of an ongoing WMD program in the 1990s. But they do show that Saddam Hussein was lying when he said all weapons had been destroyed, and it shows that years of on-again, off-again weapons inspections did not uncover these munitions.

Hoekstra said the report, completed in April but only declassified now, shows that "there is still a lot about Iraq that we don't fully understand."

Asked why the Bush administration, if it had known about the information since April or earlier, didn't advertise it, Hoekstra conjectured that the president has been forward-looking and concentrating on the development of a secure government in Iraq.

Offering the official administration response to FOX News, a senior Defense Department official pointed out that the chemical weapons were not in useable conditions.

"This does not reflect a capacity that was built up after 1991," the official said, adding the munitions "are not the WMDs this country and the rest of the world believed Iraq had, and not the WMDs for which this country went to war."

The official said the findings did raise questions about the years of weapons inspections that had not resulted in locating the fairly sizeable stash of chemical weapons. And he noted that it may say something about Hussein's intent and desire. The report does suggest that some of the weapons were likely put on the black market and may have been used outside Iraq.

He also said that the Defense Department statement shortly after the March 2003 invasion saying that "we had all known weapons facilities secured," has proven itself to be untrue.

"It turned out the whole country was an ammo dump," he said, adding that on more than one occasion, a conventional weapons site has been uncovered and chemical weapons have been discovered mixed within them.

Hoekstra and Santorum lamented that Americans were given the impression after a 16-month search conducted by the Iraq Survey Group that the evidence of continuing research and development of weapons of mass destruction was insignificant. But the National Ground Intelligence Center took up where the ISG left off when it completed its report in November 2004, and in the process of collecting intelligence for the purpose of force protection for soldiers and sailors still on the ground in Iraq, has shown that the weapons inspections were incomplete, they and others have said.

"We know it was there, in place, it just wasn't operative when inspectors got there after the war, but we know what the inspectors found from talking with the scientists in Iraq that it could have been cranked up immediately, and that's what Saddam had planned to do if the sanctions against Iraq had halted and they were certainly headed in that direction," said Fred Barnes, editor of The Weekly Standard and a FOX News contributor.

"It is significant. Perhaps, the administration just, they think they weathered the debate over WMD being found there immediately and don't want to return to it again because things are otherwise going better for them, and then, I think, there's mindless resistance to releasing any classified documents from Iraq," Barnes said.

The release of the declassified materials comes as the Senate debates Democratic proposals to create a timetable for U.S. troops to withdraw from Iraq. The debate has had the effect of creating disunity among Democrats, a majority of whom shrunk Wednesday from an amendment proposed by Sen. John Kerry of Massachusetts to have troops to be completely withdrawn from Iraq by the middle of next year.

At the same time, congressional Republicans have stayed highly united, rallying around a White House that has seen successes in the last couple weeks, first with the death of terror leader Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, then the completion of the formation of Iraq's Cabinet and then the announcement Tuesday that another key Al Qaeda in Iraq leader, "religious emir" Mansour Suleiman Mansour Khalifi al-Mashhadani, or Sheik Mansour, was also killed in a U.S. airstrike.

Santorum pointed out that during Wednesday's debate, several Senate Democrats said that no weapons of mass destruction had been found in Iraq, a claim, he said, that the declassified document proves is untrue.

"This is an incredibly — in my mind — significant finding. The idea that, as my colleagues have repeatedly said in this debate on the other side of the aisle, that there are no weapons of mass destruction, is in fact false," he said.

As a result of this new information, under the aegis of his chairmanship, Hoekstra said he is going to ask for more reporting by the various intelligence agencies about weapons of mass destruction.

"We are working on the declassification of the report. We are going to do a thorough search of what additional reports exist in the intelligence community. And we are going to put additional pressure on the Department of Defense and the folks in Iraq to more fully pursue a complete investigation of what existed in Iraq before the war," Hoekstra said.

Link (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,200499,00.html)

Guitar Shark
06-22-2006, 01:52 PM
Pathetic.

knuckleboner
06-22-2006, 02:54 PM
i don't know, GS, the bush administration seems to understand pretty well:...;)


Offering the official administration response to FOX News, a senior Defense Department official pointed out that the chemical weapons were not in useable conditions.

"This does not reflect a capacity that was built up after 1991," the official said, adding the munitions "are not the WMDs this country and the rest of the world believed Iraq had, and not the WMDs for which this country went to war."

Guitar Shark
06-22-2006, 02:57 PM
Agreed kb. My comment was more along the lines of "I can't believe this article was published." And, secondarily, titled as such.

FORD
06-22-2006, 03:52 PM
I don't know who is more pathetic here... Senator Man-on-dog for creating the bullshit non-story, or Brian for repeating it, even AFTER the BCE themselves debunked it.

knuckleboner
06-22-2006, 04:01 PM
Originally posted by Guitar Shark
My comment was more along the lines of "I can't believe this article was published." And, secondarily, titled as such.

oh, i agree completely. i just needed a reason to highlight the important part, in case anyone else was just skimming the title...:D

bobgnote
06-22-2006, 04:22 PM
Originally posted by Guitar Shark
Agreed kb. My comment was more along the lines of "I can't believe this article was published." And, secondarily, titled as such.

The US imported into IRAQ and Afghanistan BIG loads of white, Catholic idiots, who ended up under Ricardo, the Mexican Martinette. WTF do YOU think YOUR IDIOTS are doing anywhere, in the MIDDLE EAST? What do you think YOU are, the WWE?

THERE'S MUSLIMS OVER THERE, STUPID! You St. Super******'s grads will only piss them way, WAY off.

MEANWHILE, one of the ways you pissed them off has them bombing, suicide style. Since they sacrifice persons who speak FIVE LANGUAGES and you cannot play sports well OR find stocks with PE, YOU are at a disadvantage in the long run. WE have to LOSE YOU, somewhere!

Besides, your WB punks, including Eagles, are a RIPOFF. You play that in the Middle East, and the MUSLIMS know you are a PUNK.

YOU LET IN ILLEGAL COSTS FROM ILLEGAL LONG-TERM POWER DEALS, so ALL the US infrastructure, AND ITS ILLEGAL MISSIONS, is doomed, STUPID ASS ROCK-******S NAMED BRIAN, with no goddam brains!

When the California power deals went in, 2001, YOU ATE 747s because you don't get to shoot Rabin, pump Jews into Gaza and West Bank, do illegal, inflationary power deals, THEN FUND ISRAEL!

******! You used to have genetic Africanisms. So you say you jump?

CUT. Your shit can't PLAY hoops, over here, rock ******-boss or not.

Hardrock69
06-22-2006, 04:24 PM
Brian is unable to post anything of value.

Typical for Retardlican Sheeple...desperate to suck up to Chimpy and his morons...

EAT MY ASSHOLE
06-22-2006, 04:26 PM
Originally posted by bobgnote
The US imported loads of white, Catholic idiots, who ended up under Ricardo, the Mexican Martinette. WTF do YOU think YOUR IDIOTS are doing anywhere, in the MIDDLE EAST?

THERE'S MUSLIMS IN THERE, STUPID! You St. Super******'s grads will only piss them way, WAY off.

MEANWHILE, one of the ways you pissed them off has them bombing, suicide style. Since they sacrifice persons who speak FIVE LANGUAGES and you cannot play sports well OR find stocks with PE, YOU are at a disadvantage in the long run.

Besides, your WB punks, including Eagles, are a RIPOFF. You play that in the Middle East, and the MUSLIMS know you are a PUNK.

YOU LET IN ILLEGAL COSTS FROM ILLEGAL LONG-TERM POWER DEALS, so ALL the US infrastructure, AND ITS ILLEGAL MISSIONS, is doomed, STUPID ASS ROCK-******S NAMED BRIAN, with no gaddam brains!

When the California power deals went in, 2001, YOU ATE 747s because you don't get to shoot Rabin, punp Jews into Gaza and West Bank, do illegal, inflationary power deals, THEN FUND ISRAEL!

******! You used to have genetic Africanisms. So you say you jump?

CUT. Your shit can't PLAY hoops, over here, rock ******-boss or not.

has anyone read Bobg's journal? There's nothing on this site that intrigues me more, but I'm concerned exposure could cause permananent damage to ones higher brain functions.

(no worries there for Brian or hardrock)

jcook11
06-22-2006, 04:32 PM
Someone wanna check gnotes house for some of that mustard gas....He's huffin way to much

THE BCE
06-22-2006, 04:36 PM
Originally posted by FORD
AFTER the BCE themselves debunked it.

We have done no such thing, DK.

diamondD
06-22-2006, 05:55 PM
I had no idea you were still around TP.

Nickdfresh
06-22-2006, 07:25 PM
http://wally.wa.funpic.de/4images/data/media/19/bullshit.jpg

Um, Brian, most of the weapons were inert and had been deactivated since they were from the Iran-Iraq War era.

BTW, there are chemical weapons located nearby in Washington, DC that the Army Corp of Engineers have been trying to remove for ten years now from an affluent area of reluctant landowners (mustard gas), so I guess the US is now in violation of the treaty on chemical weapons (even though the weapons are WWI vintage;))

Nothing but a desperate cheap and stunt by a cheap and desperate Cuntgressman... (Sen. Dick Sanitarium, R(etard) PA)

BigBadBrian
06-22-2006, 08:34 PM
As usual, the Liberal Socialist Democrats have nothing to dispute this report but insults. I figured as much when I posted the article.

This proves Saddam did not destroy all of his WMD's as he was supposed to. There are still loads of chemical weapons unaccounted for.

:gulp:

DEMON CUNT
06-22-2006, 08:37 PM
Like they would have (p)Rick Santorum make this sort of anouncement anyway. PUH-LEASE!

Brian, you are retarded.

Nickdfresh
06-22-2006, 08:39 PM
Originally posted by BigBadBrian
As usual, the Liberal Socialist Democrats have nothing to dispute this report but insults. I figured as much when I posted the article.

Did you fail to note my post?


This proves Saddam did not destroy all of his WMD's as he was supposed to. There are still loads of chemical weapons unaccounted for.

:gulp:

Yeah, he failed to destroy his useless weapons found buried in some desert shithole (that he probably didn't even know about)...

By the way, will Sanitationorum win after making these ground breaking, recycled, empty statements? Must be painful to be an incumbent about to receive a severe ass-whipping at the polls.:) Then again, rumor has it that Santorum might like that kind of thing if it's delivered by some buff dude.

Nickdfresh
06-22-2006, 08:41 PM
Hoekstra said the report, completed in April but only declassified now, shows that "there is still a lot about Iraq that we don't fully understand."

Well, I can't dispute that.

The Bush Admin clearly doesn't understand Iraq...

Terry
06-22-2006, 09:10 PM
People are welcome to apply retroactive reasoning about why we went into Iraq as much as they like.

Far as I can see it, we were duped into a war with a nation that posed NO SIGNIFICANT THREAT TO AMERICA, whatsoever...

...had no proven links to the terrorists that attacked America on 9/11...

...and we went in with far too few troops, for which the Secretary of Defense is ultimately responsible (nice 'transformation' of the military, Rummy!)

DEMON CUNT
06-22-2006, 09:15 PM
Originally posted by Terry
People are welcome to apply retroactive reasoning about why we went into Iraq as much as they like.

Far as I can see it, we were duped into a war with a nation that posed NO SIGNIFICANT THREAT TO AMERICA, whatsoever...

...had no proven links to the terrorists that attacked America on 9/11...

...and we went in with far too few troops, for which the Secretary of Defense is ultimately responsible (nice 'transformation' of the military, Rummy!)

C'mon Terry, don't confuse the neocon dummies with your facts and common sense.

Unchainme
06-22-2006, 09:59 PM
http://www.bartcop.com/lib-bees.jpg

Yo Cunt, This is a funny cartoon in your profile, Why is your homepage set to cherone.com though?

FORD
06-22-2006, 10:25 PM
Originally posted by Unchainme
http://www.bartcop.com/lib-bees.jpg

Yo Cunt, This is a funny cartoon in your profile, Why is your homepage set to cherone.com though?

You mean you didn't know he was Gary? ;)

DEMON CUNT
06-22-2006, 10:26 PM
Originally posted by Unchainme
[BYo Cunt, This is a funny cartoon in your profile, Why is your homepage set to cherone.com though? [/B]

I am a big smart ass.

FORD
06-22-2006, 10:32 PM
What ever happenned to the Church of Cherone anyway?

ODShowtime
06-22-2006, 10:37 PM
Originally posted by EAT MY ASSHOLE
has anyone read Bobg's journal? There's nothing on this site that intrigues me more, but I'm concerned exposure could cause permananent damage to ones higher brain functions.

(no worries there for Brian or hardrock)

oh shit I didn't notice he had a journal. That's probably pretty mind-boggling.

ODShowtime
06-22-2006, 10:39 PM
Originally posted by BigBadBrian
As usual, the Liberal Socialist Democrats have nothing to dispute this report but insults. I figured as much when I posted the article.

This proves Saddam did not destroy all of his WMD's as he was supposed to. There are still loads of chemical weapons unaccounted for.

We don't have to, the report disputes itself retard! Didn't you read what kb quoted from it? Oh yeah, you probably didn't read any of it.

LoungeMachine
06-22-2006, 10:42 PM
June 22, 2006
Fox News Debunks Santorum's WMD Claim


Mere hours after Sen. Rick Santorum (R-Pa.) announced breathlessly at a press conference that “we have found weapons of mass destruction in Iraq,” a FOX news reporter found out that Santorum was hyping a document that describes degraded, pre-1991 munitions already acknowledged and dismissed by the White House’s Iraq Survey Group.


Today, Sen. Rick Santorum (R-PA) and Rep. Peter Hoekstra (R-MI) held a press conference and announced “we have found weapons of mass destruction in Iraq.” Santorum and Hoekstra are hyping a document that describes degraded, pre-1991 munitions that were already acknowledged by the White House’s Iraq Survey Group and dismissed.

Fox News’ Jim Angle contacted the Defense Department who quickly disavowed Santorum and Hoekstra’s claims. A Defense Department official told Angle flatly that the munitions hyped by Santorum and Hoekstra are “not the WMD’s for which this country went to war.”

LoungeMachine
06-22-2006, 11:00 PM
Originally posted by Guitar Shark
Agreed kb. My comment was more along the lines of "I can't believe this article was published." And, secondarily, titled as such.


Clarified. ;)

Howard Dean
06-23-2006, 08:51 AM
Originally posted by DEMON CUNT
I am a big smart ass.


MS. CUNT, I have yet to find one of your posts that have anything to do with "smart" YOU MAKE ME PROUD

Phil theStalker
06-23-2006, 09:49 AM
You have da mmmakings f4or 'chemical weapons' right under your kitchen sink.

OMG!

Pssst! Doon't tell Homey Suckurity or they'll arrest da whole fakking cuntry.


:spank:

Terry
06-24-2006, 12:04 PM
Originally posted by EAT MY ASSHOLE
has anyone read Bobg's journal? There's nothing on this site that intrigues me more, but I'm concerned exposure could cause permananent damage to ones higher brain functions.

(no worries there for Brian or hardrock)

No, I didn't.

Checked it out.

Just when I think I can half understand what he's saying, he loses me.

It's like a paranoid schitzophrenic off their meds...I can't even agree or disagree with the guy, as I can't quite get what he's saying...

Am sure it all makes perfect sense to him, though, and he probably gets a chuckle at how foolish we all are for not recognizing 'the truth' he speaks inbetween his repeated hand-washings and peeking through window shades to see if the mailman is spying on him.

BigBadBrian
06-24-2006, 12:15 PM
Originally posted by ODShowtime
We don't have to, the report disputes itself retard! Didn't you read what kb quoted from it? Oh yeah, you probably didn't read any of it.

Mr. Shortbus: The gist of this article is NOT that the weapons weren't in usable condition (and some of which could have been refurbished), but that the Iraqis "lost track" of them. :rolleyes:

As per several UN resolutions, Iraq was in material breach by not accounting for all of it's weapons, regardless of the date. Quite a bit of VX and sarin nerve gas and mustard gas is unaccounted for.

:gulp:

Hardrock69
06-24-2006, 01:16 PM
Hahah BigBadBrucie trying to save a sinking ship.....

The gist of the article is that it is a lie.

Though I love the John Wayne pic in your sig!
:D

DEMON CUNT
06-24-2006, 04:50 PM
Originally posted by Howard Dean
MS. CUNT, I have yet to find one of your posts that have anything to do with "smart" YOU MAKE ME PROUD

Suck my dumb balls, troll!

Nice try BigBland. Bullshit was called on this story even before you pathetically cut & pasted it into your post. Dummy.

ODShowtime
06-24-2006, 06:54 PM
Originally posted by BigBadBrian
Mr. Shortbus: The gist of this article is NOT that the weapons weren't in usable condition (and some of which could have been refurbished), but that the Iraqis "lost track" of them. :rolleyes:

As per several UN resolutions, Iraq was in material breach by not accounting for all of it's weapons, regardless of the date. Quite a bit of VX and sarin nerve gas and mustard gas is unaccounted for.


The gist of the artciel is that Rick Santorum is a butthole. Why wouldn't the rest of gw&friends be tooting their horns together about this if it was such a big find?

Most likley they buried the shit to get rid of it a long time ago. One of the main goals of the riots after the fall of Saddam was to destroy paperwork and other information.

I re-read the article and it doesn't say anything about the Iraqi's losing track of them :rolleyes:

BigBadBrian
06-24-2006, 08:54 PM
Originally posted by ODShowtime


I re-read the article and it doesn't say anything about the Iraqi's losing track of them :rolleyes:

I know this is like talking to a brick wall but here goes:

"lost track" coupled with a :rolleyes: meant sarcasm.

One of the biggest complaints by the US and UK administrations back in 2002-2003 was that Saddam couldn't produce proof that he had destroyed all of his chemical munitions.

No shit...because he didn't.

This story is actually not new. The liberal MSM simply hasn't reported it.

LoungeMachine
06-24-2006, 09:28 PM
Poor Brie.....

Clings to any shred of crediblity of this terrible war he can find......


or spin.