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blueturk
07-18-2006, 10:36 PM
Bush Supports Israel's Move Against Hezbollah

By Robin Wright and Thomas Ricks
Washington Post Staff Writers
Wednesday, July 19, 2006; A10



In blunt language, President Bush yesterday endorsed Israel's campaign to cripple or eliminate Hezbollah, charged that Syria is trying to reassert control of Lebanon, and called for the isolation of Iran.

Bush, in remarks at the White House after he briefed members of Congress about the recent Group of Eight summit of industrialized nations, said the "root cause" of the conflict between Israel and Hezbollah guerrillas in southern Lebanon "is terrorism and terrorist attacks on a democratic country."

"And part of those terrorist attacks are inspired by nation states, like Syria and Iran. And in order to be able to deal with this crisis, the world must deal with Hezbollah, with Syria and to continue to work to isolate Iran," Bush said.

The president spoke amid increasing pessimism about the potential for diplomacy to defuse the conflict between Israel and Hezbollah in the near future. Many U.S., European and Arab officials are resigned to a prolonged battle with limited prospects for diplomacy because of limited alternatives and what one European diplomat called the "unstoppable dynamic" of Israel's military campaign.

At the same time, the administration is scrambling to develop a strategy to deal with the crisis. Despite unity at the G-8, U.S. officials said that a lot of ideas have been offered without details or feasibility assessments.

"What we have to do before we launch anyone at a target is understand the mission," a senior U.S. official said.

For now, the administration is letting Israel's military strategy to weaken Hezbollah and its Syrian and Iranian backers play out.

"The real objective here has to be to deny the Mediterranean branch of Tehran a strategic victory and to find a way that, coming out of the crisis, we have a situation recomposed, so Hezbollah's influence is more limited -- ideally you could say destroyed," the senior U.S. official said.

Iran gave birth to Hezbollah and has provided some $100 million annually in funds and most of its arms.

Syria, which ended a 29-year occupation of Lebanon when it withdrew 14,000 troops last year, is trying to get back into Lebanon in violation of U.N. Resolution 1559, Bush said. The president said there are growing "suspicions" that the instability that followed Hezbollah's cross-border raid last week will lead some Lebanese to invite Syria to return. Any such move is "against the United Nations policy and it's against U.S. policy," Bush vowed.

Pressed on whether he is trying to buy time for Israel to eliminate Hezbollah, Bush said Israel should be allowed to defend itself. But he also cautioned that Israel should be "mindful" to allow Lebanon's government to "succeed and survive" after the conflict.

"Sometimes it requires tragic situations to help bring clarity in the international community," Bush said. "And it is now clear for all to see that there are terrorist elements who want to destroy our democratic friends and allies, and the world must work to prevent them from doing so."

Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice indicated yesterday that the situation is not yet ripe for U.S. diplomatic intervention.

"We have to make certain that anything that we do is going to be of lasting value," Rice said during a brief session with reporters along with Egyptian Foreign Minister Ahmed Aboul Gheit. "The Middle East has been through too many spasms of violence, and we have to deal with underlying conditions so that we can create sustainable conditions for political progress there."

Rice added: "When it is appropriate and when it is necessary and will be helpful to the situation, I am more than pleased to go to the region."

After talks with Rice, the Egyptian foreign minister pressed for an urgent cease-fire. "We have to keep working to reach that objective. It is imperative. We have to bring it to an end as soon as possible," he told reporters at the State Department.

A U.N. team touring the region is expected to return tonight and brief the Security Council tomorrow. Secretary General Kofi Annan will also discuss his ideas for an international peacekeeping force, which he said will be "much larger" than the U.N. mission of 2,000 peacekeepers stationed in southern Lebanon since 1978. Annan said a force "would help stabilize the situation" in southern Lebanon and give the fragile Lebanese government time to "sort out" Hezbollah's disarmament and "extend its authority throughout the territory."

Rice is expected to attend the U.N. discussion, diplomats said.

Some U.S. and European military and intelligence officials said yesterday that they were puzzled by Israel's strategy and concerned that its goals are unrealistic or too ambitious.

Israel has "target packages" but no viable long-term strategy, a senior U.S. official said, speaking anonymously because he was criticizing an ally. There is limited reason to believe that either Hezbollah or Hamas can be compelled to give up their prisoners or end the attacks.

Others questioned the impact on the Lebanese government and the very military force Israel hopes will eventually take over the areas now under Hezbollah's control.

"Won't Israeli military actions have the effect of decreasing the already limited capacities of the Lebanese government?" asked retired Army Col. Andrew Bacevich, who teaches at Boston University. "Going after Hezbollah makes sense, but I just don't understand the rationale for the campaign as it is being conducted."

But retired Israeli army Col. Gal Luft, a former commander in the town of Ramallah, said, "Israel is attempting to create a rift between the Lebanese population and Hezbollah supporters by exacting a heavy price from the elite in Beirut. The message is: If you want your air conditioning to work and if you want to be able to fly to Paris for shopping, you must pull your head out of the sand and take action toward shutting down Hezbollah-land."

Other specialists in security strategy said that Israel is sending messages to several audiences, telling the people of Lebanon that the attack is the price of tolerating the Hezbollah's presence and the broader Arab world that its current response is the price of provoking Israel.

Kristy
07-20-2006, 06:54 PM
Of course he does. After all, he's bound to make some money off of it.

jcook11
07-20-2006, 07:13 PM
Poor fucking Hezbollah, looks like they guessed wrong Israel can still kick the shit out of them and should.

Nickdfresh
07-20-2006, 07:19 PM
Originally posted by jcook11
Poor fucking Hezbollah, looks like they guessed wrong Israel can still kick the shit out of them and should.

Actually, poor Lebanese civilians...

(And poor Americans, that shall inherit the hatred begot by our mindless pandering to Israel).

Intruder
07-20-2006, 08:34 PM
Originally posted by Nickdfresh
Actually, poor Lebanese civilians...

(And poor Americans, that shall inherit the hatred begot by our mindless pandering to Israel).

And that is the truth.

Funny how a puppet US regime run by a box of cunthair brings all this wonderful propaganda.

jcook11
07-21-2006, 01:26 AM
What the fuck are the Israelis supposed to do? 6,million annihalated from the face of the fucking earth. They finally get a little piece of land to call their own and Ishmaels' kids keep lobbing shit at them ...or suicide bombing them, When is enough gonna be enough?

Cathedral
07-21-2006, 03:07 AM
Originally posted by jcook11
What the fuck are the Israelis supposed to do? 6,million annihalated from the face of the fucking earth. They finally get a little piece of land to call their own and Ishmaels' kids keep lobbing shit at them ...or suicide bombing them, When is enough gonna be enough?

Didn't you know?
They are supposed to roll over and let themselves be wiped off the face of the earth.

I don't see the problem, they'd all be much happier in the afterlife, eh?

Cathedral
07-21-2006, 03:09 AM
Originally posted by Nickdfresh
Actually, poor Lebanese civilians...

(And poor Americans, that shall inherit the hatred begot by our mindless pandering to Israel).

Shall inherit?
More like already inherited, Nick.

USA, Pandering to Israel since 1948...

RuzDNailz
07-21-2006, 04:09 AM
Originally posted by jcook11
What the fuck are the Israelis supposed to do? 6,million annihalated from the face of the fucking earth. They finally get a little piece of land to call their own and Ishmaels' kids keep lobbing shit at them ...or suicide bombing them, When is enough gonna be enough?

100% agree. Israelis have too much to deal with and now with all this antisemitism, it's terrible.

Cathedral
07-21-2006, 04:22 AM
Hey, if your neighbor threw a stick of dynomite over your fence and blew up you new Toro mulching mower and the shed it was sitting in, would you just ignore it?

I wouldn't, his Cub Cadet would be taken out post haste.

Nickdfresh
07-21-2006, 09:58 AM
Originally posted by jcook11
What the fuck are the Israelis supposed to do? 6,million annihalated from the face of the fucking earth. They finally get a little piece of land to call their own and Ishmaels' kids keep lobbing shit at them ...or suicide bombing them, When is enough gonna be enough?

Yeah, by driving Palestinians off the land that many families had owned for generations and guarding it with over $3billion a year in U.S. aid: F-16s/15s among aircraft in the largest most sophisticated Mideast airforce, Merkava and M-60.2000 MBTs in a large well trained Army, and roughly 300 nuclear weapons or so...

Somehow, Israel manages to kill 3.4 Palestinians for every Israeli killed. Yes, the leaders of Hezbollah are cunts. But Israel is playing right into their hands with a major ground invasion, they've already "not had a good week." And they were in Lebanon for a while and it was basically their 'Vietnam.' The IDF is completely negating it's advantage, they had other options available other than total War...

AN IDF Merkava is case you were wondering...
http://armor.kiev.ua/ptur/armor/Merkava-43.jpg

jcook11
07-21-2006, 10:55 AM
Again my question...What hte fuck are the Israelis supposed to do? Hezbollah publicly admits they do not respect Israels right to EXIST.

LoungeMachine
07-21-2006, 11:00 AM
Originally posted by Cathedral
Hey, if your neighbor threw a stick of dynomite over your fence


LMAO

FORD
07-21-2006, 11:04 AM
Originally posted by jcook11
Again my question...What hte fuck are the Israelis supposed to do? Hezbollah publicly admits they do not respect Israels right to EXIST.

Wifebeater, in all fucking seriousness dude.....

You really need to turn off the reich wing propaganda and learn the facts before you open your mouth on this kind of shit.

Israel is FAR from blameless here. And yes, this time THEY definitely started it.

Nickdfresh
07-21-2006, 12:19 PM
Originally posted by jcook11
Again my question...What hte fuck are the Israelis supposed to do? Hezbollah publicly admits they do not respect Israels right to EXIST.

They could have retaliated without a strategic bombing attack, and what looks to be a major infantry and armor invasion, on Lebanon. Israel could have used limited airstrikes and commandos in a more proportional response instead, then negotiated a prisoner exchange after seeking more sustained international pressure on Hezbollah to disarm.

Nickdfresh
07-21-2006, 12:21 PM
Originally posted by RuzDNailz
100% agree. Israelis have too much to deal with and now with all this antisemitism, it's terrible.

Yeah right. What about Israel policies relegating Israeli Arabs as second class citizens. Good thing the majority of Israelis are Jews and not white South Africans. That way, the can continue to play the victim card despite the fact that they are an enormously powerful state militarily and economically...

diamondD
07-21-2006, 12:55 PM
Originally posted by FORD
Wifebeater, in all fucking seriousness dude.....

You really need to turn off the reich wing propaganda and learn the facts before you open your mouth on this kind of shit.

Israel is FAR from blameless here. And yes, this time THEY definitely started it.

They kidnapped their own soldiers and sent rockets at themselves?


They could have retaliated like Nick said and done a prisoner exchange to reward them for kidnapping their soldiers, like PUSSIES.


If the people of Lebanon are willing to let Hezbollah be a part of their society, they they'll pay the price. And Hezbollah would pull the same crap again if Israel didn't retaliate.

Israel's making their own bed and I hope like hell we stay out of it. But I don't blame them one bit.

FORD
07-21-2006, 01:55 PM
What this all comes down to is this....

A couple weeks ago, Hamas and Fatah, the two prominent Palestinian political parties reached an agreement which included language affirming the existence of the state of Israel. From there, the next logical step would have been peace talks between Israel and the united Palestinian leadership.

But the Likud Zionfascists don't WANT peace. They want total complete control of the entire Middle East. From the Mediterranean to the Tigris and Euphrates. That's the Likud doctrine of "Greater Israel". That was Ariel Sharon's goal.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/f1/Greater_Israels.jpg

They murdered their own Prime Minister Rabin to prevent peace. They derailed Ehud Barak when he got close to a deal.

This Likud "Synagogue of Satan" (Revelation 2:9) cares nothing about the Jewish people and certainly NOTHING about the Palestinians and Lebanese they slaughter.

Fuck those Nazi bastards.

jcook11
07-21-2006, 05:36 PM
Originally posted by Nickdfresh
They could have retaliated without a strategic bombing attack, and what looks to be a major infantry and armor invasion, on Lebanon. Israel could have used limited airstrikes and commandos in a more proportional response instead, then negotiated a prisoner exchange after seeking more sustained international pressure on Hezbollah to disarm.

Negotiated prisoner exchange.....International pressure to disarm Hezbollah...... Like terrorists, yes thats' the word I used;give a fuck about what the rest of the world thinks. Hezbollah has one mission and that is to wipe out evey Jew off the face of the planet.

jcook11
07-21-2006, 05:41 PM
Originally posted by FORD
Wifebeater, in all fucking seriousness dude.....

You really need to turn off the reich wing propaganda and learn the facts before you open your mouth on this kind of shit.

Israel is FAR from blameless here. And yes, this time THEY definitely started it.

Why is it when anyone disagrees around here it's reich wing propaganda? Tell me the facts then FORD. I'm sure that Iam quite wrong,Hezbollah didn't start lobbing rockets into Israel and taking soldiers as prisoners. All just made up by the right wing media.....

FORD
07-21-2006, 05:46 PM
http://www.mccullagh.org/db9/d30-3/orange-blue-parrot.jpg

Negotiated prisoner exchange.....Bwaaak...International pressure to disarm Hezbollah......Polly wanna cracker.......Like terrorists, yes thats' the word I used...terrorists....bwaaaaaaaak.....give a fuck about what the rest of the world thinks. Hezbollah has one mission and that is to wipe out evey Jew off the face of the planet.........bwaaaaak....Hezbollah..Hezbollah... ..bwaaaaaaak

Keep parrotting those FAUX talking points, and ignore reality. SIEG OIL!!!

Cathedral
07-21-2006, 05:55 PM
Originally posted by LoungeMachine
LMAO

I'm glad someone appreciates my attempt at levity in all of this fucked up shit.

Cathedral
07-21-2006, 06:02 PM
Originally posted by Nickdfresh
They could have retaliated without a strategic bombing attack, and what looks to be a major infantry and armor invasion, on Lebanon. Israel could have used limited airstrikes and commandos in a more proportional response instead, then negotiated a prisoner exchange after seeking more sustained international pressure on Hezbollah to disarm.

Seriously, I think you and a great many others underestimate Hezbollah and their capabilities.

They don't bow to international pressure, Nick.
And they are a bit more organized and dangerous than Al Queda in the sense that they are weaved into the Lebanese Government.

But, if there is a way to make them bow down to any pressure it will only be after their strength is severely diminished.

And i don't even believe that is possible as long as Iran is backing them up.
That said, if you want to kill a snake you must crush its head.

jcook11
07-21-2006, 06:17 PM
Originally posted by FORD
http://www.mccullagh.org/db9/d30-3/orange-blue-parrot.jpg

Negotiated prisoner exchange.....Bwaaak...International pressure to disarm Hezbollah......Polly wanna cracker.......Like terrorists, yes thats' the word I used...terrorists....bwaaaaaaaak.....give a fuck about what the rest of the world thinks. Hezbollah has one mission and that is to wipe out evey Jew off the face of the planet.........bwaaaaak....Hezbollah..Hezbollah... ..bwaaaaaaak

Keep parrotting those FAUX talking points, and ignore reality. SIEG OIL!!!

BCE, PNAC, BUSH EVIL CHIMP.....NO NO...BUSH ADOLF HITL......NO NO BUSH ANTICHRI.... NO NO BUSH GRANDFATHER ANTI... HIT...AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH :rolleyes:

By the way I watch more CNN and MSNBC than FOX...except for Michelle Malken wapoa!

Nickdfresh
07-21-2006, 06:28 PM
Originally posted by diamondD
They kidnapped their own soldiers and sent rockets at themselves?


They could have retaliated like Nick said and done a prisoner exchange to reward them for kidnapping their soldiers, like PUSSIES.

If the people of Lebanon are willing to let Hezbollah be a part of their society, they they'll pay the price. And Hezbollah would pull the same crap again if Israel didn't retaliate.

Israel's making their own bed and I hope like hell we stay out of it. But I don't blame them one bit.

Yeah, Israel has lost a minimum of 30 people already, for not getting back their two soldiers. They're allowing themselves to be sucked into Hezbollah's kind of War.

Lebanon is a brand new state, of course things aren't going to be perfect. The fought a civil war for over 15-years, things do not become perfect over night. What the fuck do you know about the intricacies of living in Lebanon? BTW, the Iranians are now largely off the hook regarding their nuclear program...

BigBadBrian
07-22-2006, 08:36 AM
Alright everyone....raise your glasses in a toast to the Israeli Defense Forces:

Their cause is just....they are determined....the majority of forward-thinking people and Nations are behind them.

May God grant them vigilance to destroy the Islamoterrorists and the mercy and humanity to minimize civilian casualties.

Cheers!!!

:gulp:

BigBadBrian
07-22-2006, 08:49 AM
Originally posted by Kristy
Of course he does. After all, he's bound to make some money off of it.

:rolleyes:

Thanks for responding with the standard liberal response.

BigBadBrian
07-23-2006, 07:16 AM
Originally posted by BigBadBrian
Alright everyone....raise your glasses in a toast to the Israeli Defense Forces:

Their cause is just....they are determined....the majority of forward-thinking people and Nations are behind them.

May God grant them vigilance to destroy the Islamoterrorists and the mercy and humanity to minimize civilian casualties.

Cheers!!!

:gulp:

Let's raise a toast again to the Israelis!

:gulp:

Nickdfresh
07-23-2006, 08:33 AM
Originally posted by BigBadBrian
Alright everyone....raise your glasses in a toast to the Israeli Defense Forces:

Their cause is just....they are determined....the majority of forward-thinking people and Nations are behind them.

LOL Um, did you notice that the vast majority of the U.N. has sought to pressure Israel into a cease-fire, except the US, UK, and well, Israel?


May God grant them vigilance to destroy the Islamoterrorists and the mercy and humanity to minimize civilian casualties.

Cheers!!!

:gulp:


Praise Jesus, kill all of the bad people, and if women and children get killed by Israels, it's not terrorism, it's collateral damage!

BigBadBrian
07-23-2006, 01:31 PM
Originally posted by Nickdfresh
LOL Um, did you notice that the vast majority of the U.N. has sought to pressure Israel into a cease-fire, except the US, UK, and well, Israel?

I said "forward thinking" people. That automatically excludes most of the UN membership and American liberals.





Praise Jesus, kill all of the bad people, and if women and children get killed by Israels, it's not terrorism, it's collateral damage!

I don't believe Israel is responsible for Hezbollah hiding their weapons and missile launchers in predominantly civilian areas. Like Cat said in another thread, these Islamo-terrorists are the ones hiding behind women and children. You're placing blame with the wrong side.

Nickdfresh
07-23-2006, 01:59 PM
Originally posted by BigBadBrian
I said "forward thinking" people. That automatically excludes most of the UN membership and American liberals.

Oh, I see. Right wing evangelicals getting a hard-on while waiting for Armageddon/Rapture to happen so they can be absolved for their hypocritical beliefs and pReseident Dumbya and his crew constitute "forward thinking." LOL


I don't believe Israel is responsible for Hezbollah hiding their weapons and missile launchers in predominantly civilian areas. Like Cat said in another thread, these Islamo-terrorists are the ones hiding behind women and children. You're placing blame with the wrong side.

What a bunch of horseshit... The eight Canadians blown up in a vehicle, the Lebanese Army barracks, the U.N. 'peacekeepers, the port facilities, civilian neighborhoods that have been hit are not hiding weapons. Eighty% of the casualties are civilians, while 20% are children.

The Israelis really don't seem to have much of an idea what they are shooting at. They supposedly wiped out the Hezbollah leadership in a decapitation strike? Yet, they all seem to be just fine on TV...