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FORD
07-20-2006, 10:26 PM
No, this is not 'our war'
Posted: July 20, 2006
8:36 p.m. Eastern

By Patrick J. Buchanan
© 2006

My country has been "torn to shreds," said Fouad Siniora, the prime minister of Lebanon, as the death toll among his people passed 300 civilian dead, 1,000 wounded, with half a million homeless.

Israel must pay for the "barbaric destruction," said Siniora.

To the contrary, says columnist Lawrence Kudlow, "Israel is doing the Lord's work."

On American TV, former Israeli Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu says the ruination of Lebanon is Hezbollah's doing. But is it Hezbollah that is using U.S.-built F-16s, with precision-guided bombs and 155-mm artillery pieces to wreak death and devastation on Lebanon?

No, Israel is doing this, with the blessing and without a peep of protest from President Bush. And we wonder why they hate us.

"Today, we are all Israelis!" brayed Ken Mehlman of the Republican National Committee to a gathering of Christians United for Israel.

One wonders if these Christians care about what is happening to our Christian brethren in Lebanon and Gaza, who have had all power cut off by Israeli airstrikes, an outlawed form of collective punishment, that has left them with no sanitation, rotting food, impure water and days without light or electricity in the horrible heat of July.

When summer power outrages occur in America, it means a rising rate of death among our sick and elderly, and women and infants. One can only imagine what a hell it must be today in Gaza City and Beirut.

But all this carnage and destruction has only piqued the blood lust of the hairy-chested warriors at the Weekly Standard. In a signed editorial, "It's Our War," William Kristol calls for America to play her rightful role in this war by "countering this act of aggression by Iran with a military strike against Iranian nuclear facilities. Why wait?"

"Why wait?" Well, one reason is that the United States has not been attacked. A second is a small thing called the Constitution. Where does George W. Bush get the authority to launch a war on Iran? When did Congress declare war or authorize a war on Iran?

Answer: It never did. But these neoconservatives care no more about the Constitution than they cared about the truth when they lied into war in Iraq.

"Why wait?" How about thinking of the fate of those 25,000 Americans in Lebanon if we launch an unprovoked war on Iran. How many would wind up dead or hostages of Hezbollah if Iran gave the order to retaliate for the slaughter of their citizens by U.S. bombs? What would happen to the 130,000 U.S. troops in Iraq, if Shiites and Iranian "volunteers" joined forces to exact revenge on our soldiers?

What about America? Richard Armitage, who did four tours in Nam and knows a bit about war, says that, in its ability to attack Western targets, al-Qaida is the B Team, Hezbollah the A Team. If Bush bombs Iran, what prevents Hezbollah from launching retaliatory attacks inside the United States?

None of this is written in defense of Hamas, Hezbollah or Iran.

But none of them has attacked our country, nor has Syria, whom Bush I made an ally in the Gulf War and to whom the most decorated soldier in Israeli history, Ehud Barak, offered 99 percent of the Golan Heights. If Nixon, Bush I and Clinton could deal with Hafez al-Assad, a tougher customer than son Bashar, what is the matter with George W. Bush?

The last superpower is impotent in this war because we have allowed Israel to dictate to whom we may and may not talk. Thus, Bush winds up cussing in frustration in St. Petersburg that somebody should tell the Syrians to stop it. Why not pick up the phone, Mr. President?

What is Kristol's moral and legal ground for a war on Iran? It is the "Iranian act of aggression" against Israel and that Iran is on the road to nuclear weapons – and we can't have that.

But there is no evidence Iran has any tighter control over Hezbollah than we have over Israel, whose response to the capture of two soldiers had all the spontaneity of the Schlieffen Plan. And, again, Hezbollah attacked Israel, not us. And there is no solid proof Iran is in violation of the nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty, which it has signed, but Israel refuses to sign.

If Iran's nuclear program justifies war, why cannot the neocons make that case in the constitutional way, instead of prodding Bush to launch a Pearl Harbor attack? Do they fear they have no credibility left after pushing Bush into this bloody quagmire in Iraq that has cost almost 2,600 dead and 18,000 wounded Americans?

No, Kenny boy, we are not "all Israelis." Some of us still think of ourselves as Americans, first, last and always

And, no, Mr. Kristol, this is not "our war." It's your war.

Link (http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=51164)

Nickdfresh
07-21-2006, 12:10 AM
Holy fucking shit!

I never thought I would so agree with a Pat Buchanan op-ed. He's dead on with this...

See, I'm a REAL conservative!

Cathedral
07-21-2006, 12:20 AM
Originally posted by Nickdfresh
Holy fucking shit!

I never thought I would so agree with a Pat Buchanan op-ed. He's dead on with this...

See, I'm a REAL conservative!

Ah, the birth of the new conservative...can i call you a neo-natal-con?

Go ahead and laugh, you know that was funny.

FORD
07-21-2006, 12:22 AM
Well I'm NOT a conservative, and I can't disagree with anything he says here. In fact, it's pretty much what I've been saying about this Zionfascist horseshit since the day the PNAC administration was sworn in.

Dr. Love
07-21-2006, 01:19 AM
I think his delivery is more convincing, FORD. ;)

That said I think we should all stay out of it and let Israel beat all their little asses or vice-versa. The fight is going to happen whether we want it to or not.

So stand back and let them beat the shit out of each other.

Cathedral
07-21-2006, 04:17 AM
Originally posted by Dr. Love
I think his delivery is more convincing, FORD. ;)

That said I think we should all stay out of it and let Israel beat all their little asses or vice-versa. The fight is going to happen whether we want it to or not.

So stand back and let them beat the shit out of each other.

And we're going to be blamed whether we want to or not also.
We're a target simply by association...wait and see, we're gonna get hit somewhere.
I mean really, how many people are already bitchin' because Bush hasn't done anything yet?

Condi won't be going over until after Israel has put the boot completely up their ass.

diamondD
07-21-2006, 07:10 AM
I thought Condi was there now? That she had toured the Arab states and was on her way to Israel?

LoungeMachine
07-21-2006, 10:31 AM
Not yet.........

http://today.reuters.com/news/newsArticle.aspx?type=topNews&storyID=2006-07-20T195608Z_01_N20192851_RTRUKOC_0_US-MIDEAST-USA-RICE.xml&archived=False


Rice plans Middle East trip next week: official

Thu Jul 20, 2006 3:56pm ET

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice plans to go to the Middle East as early as next week to press for a political solution to fighting between Israel and Hizbollah guerrillas in Lebanon, her spokesman said on Thursday.

The trip also will aim "to address the root causes and bring about a strategic change," said State Department spokesman Sean McCormack.

Rice's plans for a visit to the region had been announced but there had been no indication when she would travel.

"She wants to go to the region when she believes it's helpful and useful to help work on a lasting and durable political solution to end the violence," said McCormack.


A Western diplomatic source said Rice was likely to go first to Egypt for talks with Arab foreign ministers, followed by a visit to Jerusalem to meet Israeli officials.

The list of Arab participants was likely to include Egypt, Kuwait, Jordan and Saudi Arabia, the source said, speaking on condition of anonymity.

McCormack said Arab governments such as Egypt, Jordan and Saudi Arabia would play an important role in talking to Damascus, which supports Hizbollah.

Rice is set to go on to Malaysia on July 27-28 for meetings with the 10-member Association of Southeast Asian Nations. She could return to the Middle East after her Asian meetings but this depended on conditions on the ground.

On Thursday, Hizbollah fought Israeli troops on the Lebanese border, as thousands more foreigners fled the 9-day-old war in Lebanon, including 1,000 Americans evacuated by U.S. Marines. Continued...

LoungeMachine
07-21-2006, 10:38 AM
Originally posted by LoungeMachine




The trip also will aim "to address the root causes and bring about a strategic change," said State Department spokesman Sean McCormack.




:rolleyes:


Root cause?

Strategic Change?



We're from the Dept. Of Cliches........and we're here to help

LMAO



Anyone care to translate root cause and strategic change from diplomatic doublespeak into plain English?

:D

LoungeMachine
07-21-2006, 10:40 AM
Originally posted by diamondD
I thought Condi was there now? That she had toured the Arab states and was on her way to Israel?


See what you get for watching so much FAUX NEWS?

They've probably already reported the trip was a huge success, and that she brokered lasting peace at the behest of her husband, er, I mean The President.

;)

diamondD
07-21-2006, 12:48 PM
Air America is already declaring it a failure and that everything is Bush's fault. ;)

FORD
07-21-2006, 01:41 PM
Originally posted by diamondD
Air America is already declaring it a failure and that everything is Bush's fault. ;)

Now I KNOW that's wrong. Because if you're listening to AAR right now, it would be Franken.

And since Franken sucks DLC/AIPAC cock, he's probably cheering on the carnage.

And it definitely IS the Chimp's fault that he doesn't hold the Likud Zionfascists to the same standard that he does all the other so called "terrorists".

But then, that isn't easy for him to do when the Likud branch office (PNAC) owns his Fraudministration, is it?

ELVIS
07-21-2006, 03:00 PM
Originally posted by FORD
Well I'm NOT a conservative,


We know that...

You're a Communist...


:elvis:

FORD
07-21-2006, 03:19 PM
Whatever, fascist. :rolleyes:

Cathedral
07-21-2006, 06:08 PM
Can i be a neo-natal-con?

Oh c'mon guys, I wanna play too.... :(

Cathedral
07-21-2006, 06:12 PM
Originally posted by LoungeMachine
See what you get for watching so much FAUX NEWS?

They've probably already reported the trip was a huge success, and that she brokered lasting peace at the behest of her husband, er, I mean The President.

;)


FOX is more focused on Christy Brinkley's personal trouble than anything else from what i saw yesterday.

The BBC seems slightly anti-American and CNN is totally anti-Bush.

I'd sell off a gonad just to get the real scoop without political leanings to one side or the other.

"WHAT IS THE TRUTH, DAMMIT?"

Nitro Express
07-22-2006, 03:55 AM
Israel is not our friend. Remember when Israeal attacked the USS Liberty with the US flag in full visibility. The USS Liberty was a servalence ship and Israel did not want us spying on them so they attacked the ship. Then the US Govt. covered it up when US citizens lost their lives or were injured when helecopter gun ships riddled the USS Liberty with gunfire.

We back Israel because half the world's Jews live in the United States and have a lot of financial and political clout here. Also, the Christian Right believe the rightouse people will back Israel in the last world war before Jesus returns. They get a hard on when Isreal gets militant because they are biting at the bit to be raptured into paradise. Meanwhile the majority of the non-voting American public run up their credit cards at Wal-Mart and care more about who Jessica Simpson is banging these days.

BigBadBrian
07-22-2006, 08:42 AM
Originally posted by Dr. Love

That said I think we should all stay out of it and let Israel beat all their little asses or vice-versa. The fight is going to happen whether we want it to or not.



Exactly.

Why whine over the fact that the Israeli's are using US weapons while Hezbollah is using Soviet era and Chinese weapons?

It's simply ridiculous.

:cool:

Nickdfresh
07-22-2006, 10:19 AM
Originally posted by BigBadBrian
Exactly.

Why whine over the fact that the Israeli's are using US weapons while Hezbollah is using Soviet era and Chinese weapons?

It's simply ridiculous.

:cool:

Actually, I could care less which or indigenous weapons systems they use, we just don't need to fund it...

Nickdfresh
07-22-2006, 10:41 AM
July 22, 2006
In the Mosques
Across the Middle East, Sermons Critical of the U.S.
By NEIL MacFARQUHAR

DAMASCUS, Syria, July 21 — In mosques from Mecca to Marrakesh, sermons at Friday Prayer services underscored both the David-versus-Goliath glamour many Arabs associate with Hezbollah’s fight against Israel and their antipathy toward the United States and its allies in the region for doing so little to stop yet another Arab country from collapsing into bloodshed.

“Our brothers are being killed in Lebanon and no one is responding to their cries for help,” said Sheik Hazzaa al-Maswari, an Islamist member of Yemen’s Parliament, in his Friday sermon at the Mujahid Mosque in Sana, the country’s capital.

“Where are the Arab leaders?” he said. “Do they have any skill other than begging for a fake peace outside the White House? We don’t want leaders who bow to the White House.”

The tone of the sermons suggests that the fighting in Lebanon is further tarnishing the image of the United States in the Arab world as being solely concerned with Israel’s welfare and making its allied governments look increasingly like puppets.

“What is creating radicalism in the region is not authoritarian regimes,” said Mustafa Hamarneh, director of the Center for Strategic Studies at the University of Jordan. “Mainly it is American policy in the region — survey after survey shows that.”

The attacks against Arab leaders from the pulpit were all the more surprising because so many governments have exerted some manner of control over sermons in recent years. Dictating the content of the weekly themes is one means of preventing prayer leaders from launching into the kind of political discussions that could inspire extremists.

Here in Damascus, where the Syrian government has been trying to keep a low profile as the fighting in Lebanon surges, prominent prayer leaders focused on the need to donate generously to help tens of thousands of Lebanese refugees pouring over the border. But they also took other Arab countries to task — although without mentioning by name such critics of Hezbollah as Saudi Arabia, Egypt and Jordan.

“What gives us pain is the Arab position,” said Mohamed al-Habash, a cleric who serves in Syria’s Parliament, speaking from the pulpit of Al Zahra Mosque. “They are entering a conspiracy against the Arabs, their brothers.”

In an interview, the cleric said the United States was helping religious extremists by encouraging the Israelis to continue their onslaught. By not working harder to stop the deaths of scores of Lebanese women and children, he said, the United States is abetting the recruiting efforts of the likes of Osama bin Laden and the late Abu Musab al-Zarqawi.

“The United States is creating more Zarqawis, more bin Ladens in the Mideast every day,” Mr. Habash said.

Cont'd (http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/22/world/middleeast/22arabs.html?pagewanted=print)

Ellyllions
07-22-2006, 11:05 AM
Good Lord I'm glad somebody finally agrees with me on this.

WE can't straighten this out, we can only thicken the plot. The media, the Congress, and whomever else keeps pushing for our Administration to respond to this needs to have their sorry asses kicked. This isn't our battle and until it's finally FINISHED (however they decide to finish it) it will be a problem.

We really need to keep our hands out of this pie. Israel can handle it.

I keep hearing how Syria is involved because Hezbollah is using Iranian weapons and yet in the same breath I hear how Israel is using American made multiple missle launchers and I fail to see how the two are different.

BigBadBrian
07-22-2006, 12:31 PM
Originally posted by Nickdfresh
Actually, I could care less which or indigenous weapons systems they use, we just don't need to fund it...

Fund it...no, you're correct, we shouldn't be paying for their weapons out of our pocket.

On the other hand, if they want to buy them, I say "step right up to the cash register." :D

DEMON CUNT
07-22-2006, 01:57 PM
Originally posted by BigBadBrian
...if they want to buy them, I say "step right up to the cash register."

Yeah, right. Stupid neocon war monkey.

Don't forget one of our previous customers...

http://www.awolbush.com/rumsfeld_saddam.jpg

FORD
07-22-2006, 02:02 PM
Originally posted by Ellyllions
Good Lord I'm glad somebody finally agrees with me on this.

WE can't straighten this out, we can only thicken the plot. The media, the Congress, and whomever else keeps pushing for our Administration to respond to this needs to have their sorry asses kicked. This isn't our battle and until it's finally FINISHED (however they decide to finish it) it will be a problem.

We really need to keep our hands out of this pie. Israel can handle it.

I keep hearing how Syria is involved because Hezbollah is using Iranian weapons and yet in the same breath I hear how Israel is using American made multiple missle launchers and I fail to see how the two are different.

They're only "different" because the Likud Zionfascists who control Israel's government and the Chimpministration (through PNAC) are hypocrites who believe themselves to be above any laws of God, man, and especially the UN.