Tour De France winner tests positive for doping

[fryingdutchman]

Just in on CNN....

Mennonite hero and Tour De France winner Floyd Landis has apparently tested positive for doping.

Landis is apparently asking for another test on a second sample.

Reports indicate that the test in question is just the first step in the process, and he may yet be exonerated.

Here's hoping...we wouldn't want to give the Mennonites a bad name.

[kentuckyklira]

Originally posted by fryingdutchman
Just in on CNN....

Mennonite hero and Tour De France winner Floyd Landis has apparently tested positive for doping.

Landis is apparently asking for another test on a second sample.

Reports indicate that the test in question is just the first step in the process, and he may yet be exonerated.

Here's hoping...we wouldn't want to give the Mennonites a bad name. What´s a "Mennonite"?

I´m too lazy to google!

[fryingdutchman]

Mennonites are a religious group who tend to live in the same areas as the Amish.

From Wikipedia:

The Mennonites are a group of Christian Anabaptist denominations named after and influenced by the teachings and tradition of Menno Simons (1496-1561). As one of the historic peace churches, Mennonites are committed to non-violence, non-resistance, and pacifism.

There are about 1.3 million Mennonites worldwide as of 2006. Mennonite congregations worldwide embody the full scope of Mennonite practice from old fashioned 'plain' people to those who appear no different in dress from other people. The largest population of Mennonites is in Africa, but Mennonites congregate in tight-knit communities in at least 51 countries on six continents as well. [citation needed]

[guwapo_rocker]

Mennonites

While each congregation is at liberty to decide independently on its form of worship and other matters, Mennonites generally agree on certain points–baptism of believers only, the necessity of repentence and conversion for salvation, the refusal to bear arms and to take oaths, the rejection of worldly concerns, simplicity of dress and habits, and disapproval of marrying outside the faith. In celebrating the Lord's Supper, some branches include the rite of foot washing and the kiss of charity.

Differences in discipline and performance of church services have resulted in a division of the church into a number of branches. The Mennonite Church, whose members are sometimes known as Old Mennonites, is the original body in the United States and has the largest membership. The General Conference of the Mennonite Church of North America (1860), the next largest body, may be listed among the more liberal branches. One of the most conservative divisions is the Amish Church, which, under the leadership of Jacob Amman (late 17th cent.), broke away from the main body in Europe. The principal Amish groups in the United States are the Old Order Amish, who do not use churches but worship in homes and conduct their services in German, and the Conservative Amish, who abide by the Dordrecht Confession of Faith but hold services in English as well as German and accept such innovations as the Sunday school. The terms "House Amish" and "Church Amish" have been used to distinguish the branches. Another conservative body is the Reformed or Herrite branch, established (1812) under the leadership of John Herr. The Church of God in Christ (1859) and the Old Order Mennonites, formed in 1870 under Jacob Wisler, are among the other branches.

Large numbers of Mennonites are found in Canada, and a number of American, Canadian, and European Mennonites have moved to colonies in Mexico and South America. Although attempts at unification have not been particularly successful, the Mennonite Central Committee, formed in 1920 as a response to famine affecting Mennonites in Russia and Ukraine, has enabled the branches to cooperate in many service and relief activities around the world. There are now over 1 million baptized members worldwide (1999). The largest denomination in the United States is the Mennnonite Church USA.

Link (http://education.yahoo.com/reference/encyclopedia/entry?id=31032)

[redblkwht]

are you fucking kidding?
everyones on drugs!!

just did espn..your right.
yet another embarrassment!

:rolleyes:

[EbDawson]

Well, hopefully he beats this. Damn, I knew the french hated to have an American win but shit, somebody's got to be clean.

[Romeo Delight]

You almost have to think that the French have an axe to grind against Americans, especially after Lance and his at least year-long legal battle with those trying to claim he had tested positive years ago.

I smell something rotten, and they eat baguettes and brie.

[EbDawson]

Originally posted by DavidFlamma
You almost have to think that the French have an axe to grind against Americans, especially after Lance and his at least year-long legal battle

More like a 6-year battle.

[Romeo Delight]

Something's not right.

I would like to know the exact procedure regarding the, ahem, samples.

Well, not all of the details:eek:

[jcook11]

Originally posted by EbDawson
Well, hopefully he beats this. Damn, I knew the french hated to have an American win but shit, somebody's got to be clean.

Congrats to you Eb, you called this one in another thread.....

[EbDawson]

Originally posted by jcook11
Congrats to you Eb, you called this one in another thread.....

Yeah, but I didn't think it would be so soon. :D

[Dan]

The second test should tell if he is guilty or not.

[redblkwht]

Originally posted by Dan
The second test should tell if he is guilty or not. when is this 2nd test to be admitted? im guessing 7 days of media garbage comes 1st..:rolleyes:

[guwapo_rocker]

Associated Press

7/28/2006 11:47:57 AM

GENEVA (AP) - In a sport riven by doping scandals, Floyd Landis' cycling team stands out.

Several riders for the Swiss-based Phonak team have been involved in drug cases, including American Tyler Hamilton, winner of the time trial gold medal at the 2004 Athens Olympics.

The International Cycling Union, the sport's governing body, refused Phonak a racing license for 2005 because of the team's doping record.

The team was only allowed to race after appealing to the Court of Arbitration for Sport, which ruled last year that Phonak should have a two-year license.

Three Phonak riders - Hamilton, Oscar Camenzind and Santi Perez - were all found guilty of doping violations in 2004 and fired.

Landis, winner of this year's Tour de France, tested positive for high levels of testosterone after the 17th stage last Thursday. He has denied wrongdoing and asked for analysis of his backup "B" sample.

Andy Rihs - owner of Swiss hearing aid firm Phonak, which sponsors the team - decided to hire new management in 2005, dismissing general manager Urs Freuler, as well as the team's sports director and doctor.

Phonak has now decided to pull its sponsorship, citing continuing doping issues in cycling. It will be replaced at the end of the season by ishares, a subsidiary of Barclays Bank.

"Think hard before you get involved in cycling, because there are never any guarantees when it comes to doping," Rihs told British daily The Times this week. "Where there's money, there's doping."

Hamilton tested positive for blood doping at the Spanish Vuelta in September 2004 and was banned for two years. He appealed to CAS, which upheld the ban. He was allowed to keep his Athens gold medal.

Perez tested positive for a blood transfusion in 2004 and was suspended for two years.

Former road world champion Camenzind tested positive for the endurance-boosting drug EPO in July 2004 and immediately withdrew from the Olympics. He was banned for two years, fired by Phonak and announced his retirement.

John Lelangue took over as team boss from Freuler in early 2005 and introduced a new regime, subjecting riders to blood analysis five days before each race, as well as just before and after some events.

Despite this, Santos Gonzalez was pulled out of the Spanish Vuelta last year after blood tests showed irregularities.

Another Phonak rider, Sascha Urweider, tested positive for testosterone and was fired.

And just last month, Phonak told riders Santiago Botero and Jose Enrique Gutierrez they won't be selected for races while they are suspected of doping.

Botero and Gutierrez - second in this year's Giro d'Italia - have been linked in Spanish media reports to Eufemiano Fuentes, the sports physician at the centre of a major doping scandal in Spain.

They both missed the Tour de France as a result. Perez - already suspended in 2004 - was also named in connection with the scandal.


Link (http://tsn.ca/oln/news_story.asp?id=172614)

[Pastor Bruce S.]

The test results are ludicrous and are nothing but whiny French sore losers sabotaging our boy, Floyd Landis who rode valiantly much like his predecessor, Lance Armstrong. The Frenchy-Fluffy-Foo-Foo's are just bitter that America is once again dominant in another athletic endeavor, and that American dominance is on the hometurf of these Le Frenchy-Wee-Wee-Pierre-Beret-Wearing-Poodle-Peddling-Jordache-Junky-Filet-Mignon-Fetching-Ohh-La-La-Vole-Vu-France-Frog-Frying-Les-Miserable-Loonies-Froggy-Frenchies.

The Oh-My-Oui-Oui's obviously planted the subtance into young Mr. Landis' test results. They are just plain ol' jealous that America is better than France in every way. Is that right Inspector-Clouseau-Koo-Koos-strip-shirt-sorries-caviar-empty-out-the-garbage and that means you Pepe-Le-Pew-French-toast-tarting-french-bread-fluffing-Paris-Pansies!

DON'T MESS WITH THE U.S AND LANDIS' DRUG TEST! :mad:

[knuckleboner]

in cycling, word is NOBODY'S clean.


i just love landis' possible explanation why his testosterone levels initally tested way, way above normal:

Now the Landis camp must do just that. Both the cyclist and his doctor said there were reasonable explanations, up to, and including, Tennessee sippin' whiskey. from espn.com (http://sports.espn.go.com/oly/cycling/news/story?id=2531960&lpos=spotlight&lid=tab1pos1)

so much for the concept of whiskey dick...:D

[Romeo Delight]

http://sports.espn.go.com/oly/cycling/news/story?id=2532396



Armstrong said all he knew about Landis' case was what has been reported.

"But I will say this," Armstrong told The Associated Press in a phone interview Friday. "When Floyd was with us, there was never a problem. We never saw anything even remotely off, never had a reason to suspect anything. He left our team for a better offer. There was no suspicious behavior, none. It's that simple.

"Secondly, I can't help but be aware the lab that found this suspicious reading is the same one that was at the center of the 'L'Equipe affair."

The French newspaper, L'Equipe, said samples taken from Armstrong during the 1999 Tour de France and then frozen tested positive for the blood-booster EPO. The International Cycling Union commissioned a report that later cleared Armstrong of the doping allegations.

"When an independent investigator contacted the lab, they wouldn't answer the simplest of questions, wouldn't go into their testing ethics, who did the tests, etc., etc.," Armstrong said. "I don't personally have a ton of faith in that lab. I think they should lose their authorization and the report pretty much supports that."

[Brett]

Fuck the French.

However who cares, it's just cycling.

[EbDawson]

Well his testosterone levels were incredibly high . . . for a frenchman. About average for an American.

[Jérôme Frenchise]

Originally posted by EbDawson
Well his testosterone levels were incredibly high . . . for a frenchman. About average for an American.

:D Ah, you Americans, always BOASTING... :p

BTW, where does that French conspiracy come from? What makes you think that the French dislike Americans? This is "utterly preposterous".

Maybe if you really had bigger balls we would. :p

I read something really kickass in the press the other day: "[...]Floyd Landis, a cyclist whom everyone thought was common [...]"...

Well... NOW they can say so! :D


Originally posted by knuckleboner
in cycling, word is NOBODY'S clean.

In every sport, even, I'm afraid. :(

[EbDawson]

Originally posted by Jérôme Frenchise
Ah, you Americans, always BOASTING... :p

BTW, where does that French conspiracy come from? What makes you think that the French dislike Americans? This is "utterly preposterous".



Well, let us use your airspace once in awhile and everything will be OK. :D

[POJO_Risin]

WHO FUCKING CARES!

The Landis story is a fantastic story...

at least it was.

Now, it doesn't matter if he was guilty...

he always will be in many, many eyes...

it's cycling...

LET THEM ALL DO FUCKING DRUGS...

LET THEIR HEARTS EXPLODE...

WHO FUCKING GIVES A SHIT!

Better yet...give them all cancer and a fake hip...

and see how well they do...

[Va Beach VH Fan]

Originally posted by POJO_Risin
Better yet...give them all cancer and a fake hip...

and see how well they do...

Why ya gotta include Ed in this conversation ??

;)

[POJO_Risin]

You know...when I posted that...I thought the same thing...lmfao...

Fuck...Ed should switch to cycling...

he could probably peddle with his tongue and win...

[EbDawson]

Originally posted by POJO_Risin


WHO FUCKING GIVES A SHIT!



Not losing any sleep around here over it. If only it wasn't the french. :mad:

[MAPRamone]

Originally posted by knuckleboner
in cycling, word is NOBODY'S clean.



Yep. The Tour lasts almost a month with hellish rides everyday and only a couple of break days. There's no way, no matter how gifted you are or haw much you've trained, that your body could recover after a 100+ miles of hell to let you ride in front of the pack the next day, yet the top guys do it all the time.

[Jérôme Frenchise]

Originally posted by EbDawson
Well, let us use your airspace once in awhile and everything will be OK. :D

:eek: Er... Maybe the airspace right above Chatenay-Malabry would be enough, wouldn't it?
The lab is somewhere over there. :D
http://www.culture.gouv.fr/culture/inventai/itiinv/archixx/imgs/p23-03im.jpg

But then it would be even clearer about Floyd. :p

[EbDawson]

Originally posted by Jérôme Frenchise
Er... Maybe the airspace right above Chatenay-Malabry would be enough, wouldn't it?
The lab is somewhere over there.

That would be a good start. One F-117 flight and it's all over. :D Maybe we can get Lance Armstrong to pilot.

[Jérôme Frenchise]

Originally posted by POJO_Risin
WHO FUCKING CARES!

LET THEM ALL DO FUCKING DRUGS...

LET THEIR HEARTS EXPLODE...

WHO FUCKING GIVES A SHIT!

Better yet...give them all cancer and a fake hip...

and see how well they do...

What's wrong IMO is no one among cyclists, organisers and the media will confess that none of them in the Tour and other races (even regional cyclists do drugs...) is clean.
When they all recognize it, it will be all right, but then there will stilll remain cheaters who go even further than some official doping.

Besides, it's true that dope won't nullify merit and talent: not anybody on those drugs can do half of what they achieve. They still "swallow" thousands and thousands of miles just training all year, and some of them do have real outstanding capacities, like that Spanish champion Indurain in the eighties who, if he was probably greatly "helped", had an exceptional lung capacity (twice as big as the average), for example.
Anyway they all are especially tough nuts (no pun) and particularly tenacious. Everyman is already light years away from that right from the beginning, doping or not.
Once again, it's not even doping in itself that discredits professional cyclism, alongside with athletics, mainly, but I guess that you can add all the other sports, including my fave, tennis; it's the fucking overall hypocrisy around that issue...
The organizers of the Tour claimed that there would have been "a clean Tour" this year. :rolleyes: What a bunch of shameful liars. :mad:

100-metre athlete Gatlin was caught after a positive test in April, which was certainly due to a dosage mistake... The rest the time they just get through tests thanks to concealing products or savant dosages that will keep then slightly below official limits (testosterone, creatine...).
Canadian Ben Johnson was just ahead of his time, he erred by going too fast and exaggerating. I mean, when you take a look at today's 100 m. kings like Greene, Gatlin and most of the others, you can but see they've got the same oversized muscles, exactly the same physique that stinks of steroids, creatine and all...
But so many people, beyond organisers, advertisers and the media seem to feel easy in remaining blind as blind can be.
There is no one more blind than someone who doesn't want to see...

Floyd Landis isn't more to blame than his peers. He was only given too high a dose after his lapse. Anyway, who would believe he could escape that way, full blast, after being dropped like a flat football the day before?
Beyond the Tour de France organizers, it's the whole international federation (not forgetting the national and regional leagues) that is to blame, including the coverage. When will they "put their balls on the table" and dare being frank once and for all about what pro cyclism takes? When they do, or the federation of another sport does...

[Jérôme Frenchise]

Originally posted by EbDawson
That would be a good start. One F-117 flight and it's all over. :D Maybe we can get Lance Armstrong to pilot.

:D

BTW, what allowed him to be suspicious "about that lab in particular?"
What a nerve! :cool:

[EbDawson]

Originally posted by Jérôme Frenchise
:D

BTW, what allowed him to be suspicious "about that lab in particular?"


I guess he's had a history with it. He, of course, never failed a drug test, despite being given 9 million of them.

[Jérôme Frenchise]

Originally posted by EbDawson
I guess he's had a history with it. He, of course, never failed a drug test, despite being given 9 million of them.

I see, a lab doing their job... what a mess! :D

[Romeo Delight]

Originally posted by Jérôme Frenchise
I see, a lab doing their job... what a mess! :D

That lab is a joke...more of collection of catty bitches from Desperate Housewives...

[Romeo Delight]

http://sports.espn.go.com/oly/cycling/news/story?id=2533442&lpos=spotlight&lid=tab2pos2

The rush of news reports that followed Tour de France winner Floyd Landis' abnormal test results included a few misconceptions and hastily made judgments. Here's a stab at clearing them up:

1. It's not a positive yet
No doping test is considered positive until it's confirmed by a backup analysis. That's a second test on part of the urine sample taken the same day -- not, as one well-known television host implied, a second test on a different day. The ritual of the B sample, by the way, isn't some bizarre quirk of doping protocol but something that has been scientific convention since, oh, the beginning of time: Experiments have to be repeated before they're validated. And for those who think this is semantic and assume the B sample will back up the A findings -- even Landis admits that's probably the case -- if it were your life and career hanging in the balance, wouldn't you feel entitled to absolute proof before being condemned?


2. It's not about the testosterone level alone
About 99 percent of the headlines the day the Landis story broke asserted that he had tested "positive" (see above) for "elevated levels of testosterone." Back up. The test performed on elite athletes measures a ratio, not an absolute number. A ratio (think back to your grade-school math class) is a relationship between two numbers. Landis' testosterone to epitestosterone ratio is out of whack, according to the A sample. That could be caused by either number being out of the ordinary. His testosterone could be high, or his epitestosterone could be suppressed or low. Both are produced naturally by the body and both can be influenced by a variety of external circumstances or substances, including but not limited to the use of banned artificial testosterone. If the B sample confirms the A, it's up to Landis to prove that whatever happened occurred naturally.


3. The magic bullet theory
Since Landis' abnormal A sample was taken on a day that he turned in an extraordinary performance, making up eight minutes in a mountain stage on a solo breakaway, it seems logical to presume a cause-and-effect relationship. In the interest of balance, it should be mentioned that synthetic testosterone isn't generally used for instant recovery purposes, but taken in long cycles during strength training to help with workout recovery and build muscle mass. Cyclists aren't interested in bulk -- they worry about weight nearly as much as jockeys -- and if you've ever taken a look at their upper bodies, you know they're not doing a lot of lifting. A cyclist rifling the medicine cabinet for a quick fix would have been far more likely to get a transfusion, take a blood-boosting substance like EPO, or pop some speed -- all of which are now easily detectable in doping tests. There's no doubt that athletes do stupid things and are fully capable of taking an ill-advised or possibly ineffective drug in a given situation, but a number of experts raised their eyebrows over this result, which didn't recur in Landis' two subsequent tests at the Tour.


4. Guilt by association
Cycling richly deserves its lousy reputation where doping is concerned, but in the current, panicky, toss-the-baby-with-the-bathwater environment, some goofs are being made. Stories on Landis this week reviewed the sequence of events before this year's Tour, when a number of riders were kept off the start line because their names came up in a Spanish doping investigation. Very few, if any, of those reports included the fact that last week, five of those riders from the disgraced Astana-Wurth team were completely cleared by the court studying the evidence. Ooops! Sorry! See you next year! The sport is, admirably, bending over backwards to try to clean itself up -- just don't assume that every single shot fired in this battle is going to hit the right target.


5. Leave Mom out of it
Landis has remained laconic, if occasionally awkward, in the high-beams this week, but he was unequivocal on one point -- get out of his Mom's face and off her yard. The reality-show stakeout of Landis' devoutly Mennonite parents may be more painful for him than any doping allegations. In a related issue, the uncontested winner of this week's Most Absurd Question sweepstakes was this whopper posed to Landis: "Would you ever lie to your mother?" You don't have to have gone to journalism school to know there is only one answer to that.





I love this part...

"Very few, if any, of those reports included the fact that last week, five of those riders from the disgraced Astana-Wurth team were completely cleared by the court studying the evidence. Ooops! Sorry! See you next year!"

It looks like this lab is trying ever so hard to get their limelight. Hard to imagine they would be pursuing such fame if the rider was French. It is all conjecture obviously, but the lack of any procedure speaks volumes...

[EbDawson]

Originally posted by DavidFlamma

In a related issue, the uncontested winner of this week's Most Absurd Question sweepstakes was this whopper posed to Landis: "Would you ever lie to your mother?"



That "reporter" should have been bitch-slapped!

[fryingdutchman]

Updated info. shows things looking grim for ol' Floyd...

Synthetic testosterone detected in the sample.

2nd sample results due in on Saturday.

Could this actually be legit and not just sour grapes from the French?

[Jérôme Frenchise]

Anyway, I doubt Landis will be as dumb as Virenque who claimed he'd been doped
"without [his] knowing of [his] own free will". :confused:

http://clabedan.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/richard_virenque_1.jpg

Maybe they should make synthetic neurones for certain sportsmen... :D

[redblkwht]

The thing is this kid went in front of cameras to save face..
if inedeed he lied, hes a fool.

IMO if it was I, i would have admitted it & let the witch-hunt
go to the next beotch.

[Dan]

Originally posted by redblkwht
when is this 2nd test to be admitted? im guessing 7 days of media garbage comes 1st..:rolleyes:

What up RBW?

I heard it was on Sunday for the second test on the Radio here in N.Z.

[redblkwht]

I think hes dead in the water,
he should have a flight booked for mexico leaving friday night..
lol

Dan, things are well & you?

:gulp:

[Dan]

Originally posted by redblkwht
I think hes dead in the water,
he should have a flight booked for mexico leaving friday night..
lol

Dan, things are well & you?

:gulp:

Good Man,Enjoying Your Summer?

[kentuckyklira]

That´s it, just on the news, Landis' second test is positive as well, he´s fucked!

[Nickdfresh]

Maybe he just stepped into a big bucket of synthetic testosterone on accident?:confused:

[POJO_Risin]

In a poll of 500 biking fans in the US...when asked about Floyd Landis' second test result...

95% answered...

"Who the fuck is Floyd Landis?"

Coming to a butter churner near you...

Mr. Menonite Floyd Landis...

perhaps he can get one of those old time bikes with the wooden wheels...

or one of those tricycle looking things...with the big ass front wheel...

and start a new team in lancaster...

[Va Beach VH Fan]

I could've sworn I've seen him while driving down Rt. 322 on the way to Penn State.... ;)

[POJO_Risin]

lmfao...

with a butter churner...

and a peloton of Menonites following

[Romeo Delight]

There is a local woman who makes it a yearly ritual to bike topless for most of a whole day.

As a bonus she sometimes shows up at swimming pools.

[EbDawson]

Originally posted by kentuckyklira
That´s it, just on the news, Landis' second test is positive as well, he´s fucked!

Someone spiked his Beer. This is a conspiracy.

[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by POJO_Risin
In a poll of 500 biking fans in the US...when asked about Floyd Landis' second test result...

95% answered...

"Who the fuck is Floyd Landis?"

Coming to a butter churner near you...

Mr. Menonite Floyd Landis...

perhaps he can get one of those old time bikes with the wooden wheels...

or one of those tricycle looking things...with the big ass front wheel...

and start a new team in lancaster...

He's from Lancaster?:D Ha!

Anyhoo, they do ride metal bikes, sometimes on the side of the highway!

[thome]

I have read about ninety percent of these posts and I may be showing my --ass-- here but just from memory (i have the bad brain).

Everyone seens to be talking about --Drugs--- and Blood Dopeing
doesn't have anything to do with Drugs.

If my memory serves Blood dopeing is when you work out real hard
on a tread mill or stationary bike and you are on Oxegen
and afterwards you give a pint of highly invigorated oxegenated
blood they freeze it and before a race you are given the bood back
so you have a pint more than everyone else that is juiced with 0xegen.

If this is it, i don't want to look it up, because i really don't care about this, Tour De Whateva.I have enough sports to break my heart every year..lol

PS If Blood Dopeing is what i think it is i see nothing wrong with it.

It has nothing to do with drugs and is no different than getting the edge with a lighter bike or a extra gear...mop

[Switch84]

His cycling team fired him and the title has been stripped from him (heard it on ESPN).

[redblkwht]

I heard some bitch massuse
massaged his legs with the cream, oh thats another guy..lmao!!

fuck, their all on drugs ;)

[Switch84]

Originally posted by redblkwht
I heard some bitch massuse
massaged his legs with the cream, oh thats another guy..lmao!!

fuck, their all on drugs ;)


:D :D :D True! Why don't they just give up the ghost and regulate the use of performance enhancing drugs?

[Little Texan]

Don't ya'll think it's slightly possible Landis could have been framed by switching urine samples? You know the French are sick of an American winning their race every year, so don't you think they would stop at nothing to prevent it from happening again? You know how they hounded Lance Armstrong...

[Jérôme Frenchise]

Originally posted by Switch84
His cycling team fired him and the title has been stripped from him (heard it on ESPN).

His team is a bunch of hypocrites, just like the whole ICF and sports media. :mad:

Because >>>
Originally posted by redblkwht
fuck, their all on drugs ;)

They're acting as if the rest of cyclists were clean as clearwater, only because they got through all tests... What a joke. :rolleyes:
They are real bastards, by "they" I mean the whole organisation and journalists, not to forget all those nutcases who will jig along the roads every year yelling "come on! come on!", because it's their fault if cyclism has meant "horse doping" for decades, and they are responsible as well for those galley slaves's premature deaths or weird diseases (how is Greg Lemond today?...)... I vomit all those jerks who gravitate around that sphere, from team members and organizers to the media and fans. :mad:


Originally posted by Switch84
Why don't they just give up the ghost and regulate the use of performance enhancing drugs?

Good idea. But first they would have to confess that godamn 60-year-old lie...
Then, if doping was officialized, there would still be cheaters who would consider that what they are allowed to use is not enough...
There's no way out, I'm afraid.

[guwapo_rocker]

Originally posted by Little Texan
Don't ya'll think it's slightly possible Landis could have been framed by switching urine samples? You know the French are sick of an American winning their race every year,

Another doping scandal does nothing to increase the popularity of

"their race".

[POJO_Risin]

a couple of things...

again...about Gatlin...if the fucking masseuse put cream on him...

then sue the masseuse...it's that simple...

but he won't...

because he/she didn't...

as for Landis...I don't know...it's plausible...

but more than likely more plausible that EVERYONE IS ON SOMETHING...

who fucking cares...

it's funny...but they don't test for everything...so if you find something that you don't test for...you have nothing to worry about...

of course...perhaps if you are all the sudden 8 minutes down...you figure...well...what the fuck do I have to lose?

and bam...you all the sudden have a chance to win...

When you get to the point that the sport is questionable...IE...everyone...

then it's not a sport anymore...

hear that baseball?

[POJO_Risin]

and 7 years of Armstrong is completely wiped out...

nice...

[POJO_Risin]

You know...the great thing in the years to come...

is that you'll be able to tell in the future about doping and synthetic hormones when people will be RUNNING as fast as the bikers...

NICE...

[EbDawson]

Originally posted by POJO_Risin
and 7 years of Armstrong is completely wiped out...

nice...

Why is 7 years of Armstrong wiped out? Again he was tested 900 million times. He's clean. Landis, well shit, it's damn unfortunate but I guess half of cycling is dirty these days. My solution . . . shoot them if they're dirty. Otherwise, call it the cyborg tour de france. Do one or the other.