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BigBadBrian
08-24-2006, 06:47 AM
Why the world hates America
By Michael Medved
Wednesday, August 23, 2006

The disease of America Hatred now has reached pandemic proportions in many corners of the globe, spreading far beyond the predictably hopeless fever swamps of Islamic militants, French intellectuals, or Latin American demagogues. In fact, many citizens within the USA itself energetically embrace the basic assumptions of America Hatred, perceiving their country as an unequivocally negative force on the world scene.


John Tirman, director of MIT’s prestigious Center for International Studies, recently wrote a book called “100 Ways America is Screwing Up the World.” When questioned on my radio show, he refused to dismiss the notion that humanity might have been better off if Europeans had never settled North America in the first place – in other words, if the USA as we know it had never come into existence.

The most direct way to counter such disgraceful fatuity is with reference to a key element in a classic American contribution to world cinema: Frank Capra’s “It’s a Wonderful Life.” George Bailey (Jimmy Stewart) learns to appreciate his own worth after getting a glimpse of the direction his community of Bedford Falls might have taken had he not been around to serve and save it. By the same token, America bashers might try a thought experiment in which they imagine a world in which the USA never existed and played no current role. Would Belgium and Canada have somehow pooled their mighty military machines and succeeded in rescuing humanity from Naziism – and Communism? If not for the United States, which nation might have inspired the world to pursue self-government and human rights? Remember, the famous French Revolution proved so feckless in this regard that the frog-eaters anointed an all-powerful Emperor (Napoleon) less than twenty years after they guillotined their king. In terms of commercial activity and living standards, the United States remains the indefatigable engine that drives the world economy, with productivity and ingenuity as indispensable to sustaining global prosperity as American agricultural bounty is essential to feeding all of humanity.

The irrational nature of America Hatred comes into clearest focus with the realization that this destructive passion flourishes most spectacularly among those who have benefited most conspicuously from the existence of the U.S. You’ll find such festering resentment in Western Europe in general (France in particular), Islamic nations especially dependent on American aid, support and trade (Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, for example), among pampered, privileged stars in the entertainment industry, and on elite university campuses in the United States and around the world.

If, then, the most outspoken advocates of America Hatred have seldom suffered personally at the hands of the nation they loathe, how can we understand their implacable hostility? Three factors help to explain this impassioned abhorrence which, like most consuming hatreds, does its most serious damage to the haters themselves ---

I. ENVY

When the society often described as “the world’s most hated nation” also turns out to be the country most fervently desired as a destination for immigrants from everywhere, then it’s blindingly obvious that envy plays the leading role in generating hostility to the United States. In the same way that the most successful kid in school will generate considerable resentment, or the most prominent and prosperous citizen of a town will provoke hostility from some of his less fortunate neighbors, the US draws anger and condemnation precisely because of its overwhelming power and influence. America hatred has clearly intensified in the last fifteen years, though it’s hard to make the case that our country has suddenly begun playing a more destructive role in the world since the conclusion of the Cold War. What changed since the collapse of the Soviet Union is the disappearance of any credible rival to the last remaining superpower, so that the US, as the unequivocally dominant power on the planet, draws more anger and suspicion than it did during the long struggle with global Communism.

Moreover, the envy that spurs anti-Americanism often stems from a resentment of US power, rather than jealousy of the wealth and freedoms Americans so obviously enjoy. For instance, the citizens of the Netherlands boast living standards that compare favorably with those of many Americans, and have built a vibrant democracy with abundant civil liberties. Nevertheless, when voters go to the polls in Amsterdam or Utrecht they make decisions with no significant consequences beyond the boundaries of Holland; American elections, by contrast, help determine the future of all of civilization and resonate in the remotest corners of the planet. After the Bush re-election in 2004, several journalists in Europe suggested that residents of nations allied with America should get the chance to vote in US elections because of the impact of those campaigns on every nation’s future —a sure indication of the seething envy for the centrality and influence of the USA that contributes unmistakably to America Hatred.

Among America-haters within the USA, their jealousy is directed at presently powerful major institutions (the military, the corporations, the Republican Party, conservative religious groups) and the “great unwashed” who support them. Their alienation from long-standing traditions, current trends, and the majority of their fellow citizens make them feel like exiles in their own country – and to resent the nation which, for the most part, continues to ignore their increasingly hysterical criticisms.


II. THE LEGACY OF COMMUNISM.

For nearly fifty years the Communist Empire that covered half the globe invested untold resources in the most vile and relentless anti-American propaganda. More than a billion adults in today’s world grew up under fanatical dictatorships headed by the likes of Brezhnev, Mao, Castro, Kim Il Sung where school books, youth organizations, radio, movies, TV, newspapers, even official holidays spread the vicious and preposterous lies about life in the United States. Declassified files in the former Soviet Union show that the KGB and related organizations also spent literally hundreds of millions of dollars to spread the same lies in the West – hiring countless agents of “disinformation” to communicate the idea that America is a uniquely cruel, corrupt, exploitative, racist, militaristic, imperialist, and religiously fanatical society whose very existence menaces “People’s Republics” everywhere. Of course, Communist dictatorships remain in power from Beijing to Havana and they’ve been joined recently by leftist demagogues such as Hugo Chavez in Venezuela or Evo Morales in Bolivia who depend on whipping up anti-Yankee sentiment to maintain their tenuous hold on power. To an astonishing degree, the condemnations of the United States by even the most “advanced” and “sophisticated” pundits and professors in the West continue to echo the ancient particulars of Marxist anti-Americanism first put forward by Lenin himself, and later elaborated by his Stalinist successors. In a sense, the current discredited state of Marxist ideology (with massive economic failures and appalling mass murder in every nation under Communist rule) only redoubled the anti-American fervor on the left: former apologists for Stalinism, Maoism, Castroism and other horrors can now salve their consciences by insisting that the American economic and political system is even worse than the nightmarish regimes they once embraced.

III. TOXIC POPULAR CULTURE.

Made-in-America movies, TV shows, popular music, fast food and fashion trends remain this nation’s most successful exports to the rest of humanity. Instead of inspiring affection for the USA (as did the Hollywood products of the 1930’s and ‘40’s, for instance), the current entertainment offerings deliver a dark, dysfunctional view of life in North America. Few people in Burundi or Bangladesh will ever get the chance to visit L.A. or New York but they’ll all get visions of American life on TV or at the movies – visions that emphasize violence, sexual indulgence, economic injustice, pervasive corruption, selfishness and villainy of every sort. Most of the societies in the non-Western world (very much including China, India, much of Africa and Latin America, and nearly all of the Islamic world) maintain a commitment to highly traditional family values that would rank as outrageously restrictive, even “puritanical” in US terms. Of course, hundreds of millions in such societies view the risqué contents of American entertainment as decadent and damaging, a (perhaps conspiratorial) threat to the morals that traditionalists year to sustain and defend. When the most creative story-tellers within America itself fail time and again to portray the overwhelming goodness, decency, kindness and wide-open opportunity that remain essential elements of the American experience, then one can hardly blame the impoverished audiences in less fortunate corners of the earth for remaining ignorant of the true nature of the USA.

The factors that produce the surging levels of America Hatred—Envy, Communist Legacy and Pop Cultural influence—all do more damage to the people who succumb to that loathing than they do to the interests of the Land of the Free and the Home of the Brave. Envy distracts from constructive effort, paralyzing both nations and individuals; nostalgia for the bad-old-days of Marxist tyranny encourages the worst tendencies in any society, and embracing the current products of US pop culture (gangsta rap, anyone?) grants influence to the worst, not the best, messages from American society.

The one form of anti-Americanism that ought to worry the citizens and leaders of this country involves the elitist contempt here at home for the nation’s past and present—contempt tirelessly fomented by leading educators and media figures. Political historian Michael Barone recently identified such leaders as “our covert enemies” who have “been working, over many years, to undermine faith in our society and confidence in its goodness…. Our covert enemies don’t want the Islamo-fascists to win. But in some corner of their hearts they would like us to lose.”

Understanding and confronting America Hatred wherever it occurs, around the world but most importantly here at home, will help to insure that these potentially dangerous enemies never get their secret wish.

Link (http://www.townhall.com/columnists/column.aspx?UrlTitle=why_the_world_hates_america&ns=MichaelMedved&dt=08/23/2006&page=full&comments=true)

Ellyllions
08-24-2006, 06:59 AM
Good article.

I've been to a couple of other countries and am amazed at how different things are outside the US borders. I think it's hard to know how good we've really got it here until you do travel away. I know it gave me a different perspective on my life.

And I do believe that because we have so much in comparison, somehow theres a perceptiion that we could be responsible for the less and unfortunate in other countries. In my mind everything is relative and just as a criminal in transport, or a President must be protected from glory-seekers who'd want to kill them, there are those who'd love to have a hand in our destruction just for the glory of having done it.

I guess I'm a pessimist because I don't believe that there will ever be world peace on any level. I don't believe that man is inherintly good, I believe that man is inherintly evil....but that's just me.

blonddgirl777
08-24-2006, 10:24 AM
I've also traveled enough to see that yes, we got it easy here but not compared to everywhere...

I felt like that in China but not in Europe. Besides the notion of "space", Europeans don't have anything to envy us for.

I've always liked Americans since I lived there and it kills me (laughing) when my fellow Quebecers (and Canadians) talk shit about them (and they REALLY like doing that)...
"No culture", "bad eaters", "imperialists", "no sens of real values", "uneducated and ignorant", "don't care to know about anybody or anything else in the world", etc... etc... etc...

What really kills me is that they talk as if we have better standards here...
What culture do we have (besides a different history)? Our pop. culture is either translated or copied straight from the U-S... Or simply imported directly.
"Eating habits"? Yes, Quececers eat a lot like French but the rest of Canada eats just like Americans,
"Imperialists"? our socialist/capitalist system is questionable (I won't eaven go there),
"Values"? most people I know are sick of sharing 1/2 their incomes (and more) regardless of what it's used for,
"Education"? yes, ge get better financial help from our govmnt and education is a lot less expensive but it doesn't make poeple want to get more educated, on a personal level, my fellow Americans are alltogether more educated, well travelled and well read then my Canadian ones...
"Caring about others" well... I think we should stop giving away all that money we don't have and start helping ourselves here... before we go broke (we already are)...

The same people complaining are the ones to go spend their money vacationing in the States on a regular basis because as they say: "There's nothing to do here"...
I say; If you hate them so much, then don't go and get a peace of them every summer... stay here and encourage our own economy (instead of their's).

Unless they are complaining about war and trouble making at some places in the world, they are just hypocrits!

Phil theStalker
08-24-2006, 10:33 AM
Originally posted by Ellyllions
Good article.

I've been to a couple of other countries and am amazed at how different things are outside the US borders. I think it's hard to know how good we've really got it here until you do travel away. I know it gave me a different perspective on my life.

And I do believe that because we have so much in comparison, somehow theres a perceptiion that we could be responsible for the less and unfortunate in other countries. In my mind everything is relative and just as a criminal in transport, or a President must be protected from glory-seekers who'd want to kill them, there are those who'd love to have a hand in our destruction just for the glory of having done it.

I guess I'm a pessimist because I don't believe that there will ever be world peace on any level. I don't believe that man is inherintly good, I believe that man is inherintly evil....but that's just me.
This is precisely why gloablism is NOT for America.

And I believe man is always fighting against his evil nature from taking over. That's why if a President makes himself an enemy of the Constitution we must defend the Constitution against that President.

Godspeed.

BigBadBrian
08-24-2006, 11:13 AM
Originally posted by Ellyllions


I guess I'm a pessimist because I don't believe that there will ever be world peace on any level. I don't believe that man is inherintly good, I believe that man is inherintly evil....but that's just me.

It's me, also.

Good post.

:)

Seshmeister
08-24-2006, 11:17 AM
I think some people hate the US because of the stupidly big signatures some Americans have.

blonddgirl777
08-24-2006, 12:14 PM
Originally posted by Ellyllions
... I guess I'm a pessimist because I don't believe that there will ever be world peace on any level....

You are just being realistic...
Looking throughout history... there never was, such a thing as "world peace"!

FORD
08-24-2006, 12:50 PM
Originally posted by BigBadBrian
It's me, also.

Good post.

:)

Evil is a learned behavior. So is good, for that matter.

Angel
08-24-2006, 07:55 PM
Originally posted by blonddgirl777
The same people complaining are the ones to go spend their money vacationing in the States on a regular basis because as they say: "There's nothing to do here"...
I say; If you hate them so much, then don't go and get a peace of them every summer... stay here and encourage our own economy (instead of their's).

Not all. My last trip to the States was September 2001. It wasn't planned, but I purposely went to show my support after 911. Other than that, I go out of my way to support Canada and it's economy, and I know many others that are the same way. Mind you, it's not easy to do. We can't buy Molson anymore, it's no longer Canadian. Can't shop at the Bay/Zellers, etc... also no longer Canadian. Although admittedly, I was already torn when it came to shopping at Zellers over Wal-Mart. Zellers WAS Canadian, but sold products mostly made in the USA, or by US Designers, whereas WalMart is US, but sells a hell of a lot of Canadian Manufactured goods.

Most of us Canucks that are "anti-American" have nothing against the people... it's the Americanization of our land that we're against.

Angel
08-24-2006, 07:57 PM
Originally posted by blonddgirl777
You are just being realistic...
Looking throughout history... there never was, such a thing as "world peace"!

True that...

Dr. Love
08-24-2006, 08:00 PM
Originally posted by Seshmeister
I think some people hate the US because of the stupidly big signatures some Americans have.

You guys are closed-minded. ;)

blonddgirl777
08-24-2006, 10:02 PM
Originally posted by Angel
... Most of us Canucks that are "anti-American" have nothing against the people... it's the Americanization of our land that we're against.

I've heard comments that where "against people"... we hear them all the time here, in our medias. Sometimes as jokes (moqueries) but they always start with something concrete like patriotism, for exemple...
Maybe it's the English VS French thing that you don't feel out west?

Personally I don't mind Americanization but I am one in very few Canadian citizens that think like that.
Although, I understand why people wouldn't want it to happen.

Then we just have to avoid it and make sure we keep our own identity... somehow.

NightProwler
08-24-2006, 10:06 PM
medved is a scared, little, delusional boy that wishes he spoke for the world.

ODShowtime
08-24-2006, 10:11 PM
Originally posted by Ellyllions

I guess I'm a pessimist because I don't believe that there will ever be world peace on any level. I don't believe that man is inherintly good, I believe that man is inherintly evil....but that's just me.



Originally posted by BigBadBrian
It's me, also.

Count me in.

blonddgirl777
08-24-2006, 10:12 PM
Originally posted by Angel
... I go out of my way to support Canada and it's economy, and I know many others that are the same way. Mind you, it's not easy to do....

Beleive it or not, I do that too. After all, I live here and I have to do what it takes to protect our economy as well...
Not easy? I seriously think that it's almost impossible!

I also want to protect MY own personal economy...
I would love not to buy anything that exploits the poorest countries in the world but why would I pay $3.00 for something I can get at "Dollarama"?
Now that's not easy!

As far as vacations, besides the purpose of visiting friends in L-A or S-F, I would rather go to Cuba for the beaches... cheaper and much, much nicer. Very personal taste.

I like to take advantage of business trips to N-Y for bargain shopping on *Canal St. but I would never spend that money myself to go there...

*I know... that's a bad, bad thing to do... :o

blonddgirl777
08-24-2006, 10:35 PM
Originally posted by FORD
Evil is a learned behavior. So is good, for that matter.

Don't you beleive that someone can just be born with the "bad gene"?
(Some being worst than others)?

blonddgirl777
08-24-2006, 10:41 PM
David Lee Roth is an all American product...
And I buy him! :p

Seshmeister
08-24-2006, 10:44 PM
Just as one of a hundred examples I'd like to ask 'Why do people in Chile hate America?'

Is it because of envy, communism, popular culture or could it just possibly be because the US helped to assasinate their democractically elected president and replace him with a dicatator cunt that murdered hundreds of thousands of people over a 15 year period?

Hmmm?

Some of the arguments posited have some truth in them. Chosing between the US and USSR for Europeans was a no brainer but so is choosing between being punched in the face and getting an axe in the face.

This guy BBB has chosen to cut and paste is an idiot if he thinks that US foreign policies have not had a huge impact on the perception of the US government. There has been a huge anti American shift in world opinion since Bush came to power and it's a hundred times more negative. All of the examples cited by this fucktard have existed for nearly 20 years and don't explain that change.

Cheers!

:gulp:

Dr. Love
08-24-2006, 11:06 PM
So then, the anger should vanish when Bush leaves office?

blonddgirl777
08-24-2006, 11:09 PM
Originally posted by Dr. Love
So then, the anger should vanish when Bush leaves office?

Let's say that the next president should help "polish" the image a little... :o

franksters
08-25-2006, 12:04 AM
foreign policies
free trade
kyoto
oil prices
war
lies
ect...

and of course:

The BCE

It will take another 25-50 yrs for the USA to get back up in the ratings mostly because of bush, I mean they hate him in his own country...

Seshmeister
08-25-2006, 05:16 AM
Originally posted by Dr. Love
So then, the anger should vanish when Bush leaves office?

It'll take a while.

Bush has done terrible damage to the image of the US.

Ellyllions
08-25-2006, 07:10 AM
Originally posted by FORD
Evil is a learned behavior. So is good, for that matter.

I don't agree that evil is learned.

When you have a child, you have to teach the child to be good. The terrible 2's are named such because the child is testing your boundaries....that is the beginning of seeing what will trigger a response. That is a natural innate behavior.

Some just cultivate it better than others and take it to more dark and sinister levels.

We could get into the id, ego, and superego development. But the basic used by all humans from the beginning is the id.
"I want what I want and I want it now..." That is why I believe that man is inherintly evil. Because from the beginning, we have to be taught how to behave.

Ellyllions
08-25-2006, 07:28 AM
While I agree that Bush has done damage to the image of the US. There are a couple of factors that I believe to add to that statement.

1) Most of the countries who hate the US right now, hated us before Bush they just weren't as outward with it until now. *'tis what I believe*

2) People do not accept or understand politics. While politicians battle and then get "over" it, people do not forgive. The supreme leader of *any country that feels wronged by Bush* could sit down with our next President, hash out a plan, and then become allies...but the people of that country will remain against the US as a whole. Even so much as to turn against their own leaders for even working with the US.

3) There are so many countries that truly believe that because the US has wealth, they should give everything that they can to financially help all other countries in need. Even at the risk of sacrificing our own. While we should help, the amount of help is never enough, or too many feel like they didn't get their share. It's a never-ending cycle.

To point: How much money have we pledged to the AIDS pandemic in Africa? Yet, the Northern-most portion of Africa hate us. As well as the fact that African-American women in the US are 13 times more likely to die of AIDS between the ages of 25-41. So we're relieving debt, and pledging funds as well as losing our own citizens to the very same disease....and yet they still hate us because we're not doing more.

In my mind, you can't make someone else "feel" any emotion. If people hate the US then their minds won't be changed until they change it. All individual Americans could go completely bankrupt giving services and monies away to try to make the whole world accept us and there would be some that would take that as an opportunity to kill us just for the having done it.

Seshmeister
08-25-2006, 09:26 AM
A lot of this aid is conditional and buys influence and business opportunities.

You mention AIDs in Africa which is a case in point. Bush has sent lots of your money to that issue which is nice but it's being done conditionally in line with his religious superstitions. If you are an NGO providing help you cannot encourage condom use or set up needle exchanges. Instead you have to encourage the dumb unrealistic 'just don't fuck please' agenda.

So much for separation of church and state.

He's spending your money promoting his religion. He probably thinks he can buy his way into heaven.

Cheers!

:gulp:

Ellyllions
08-25-2006, 09:52 AM
So what would work then?

How do we make the world un-hate us?

Isn't that the real question here?

blonddgirl777
08-25-2006, 10:18 AM
Originally posted by Ellyllions
... 3) There are so many countries that truly believe that because the US has wealth, they should give everything that they can to financially help all other countries in need. Even at the risk of sacrificing our own. While we should help, the amount of help is never enough, or too many feel like they didn't get their share. It's a never-ending cycle....

Same for us, Cadadians... except that we're not talking about the same kind of wealth here...
I'm not saying that helping others is the only thing that got that broke but it really doesn't help us to get
"back on track".

Who's gonna help US if we ever need help, hey?

Ellyllions
08-25-2006, 10:26 AM
Good point.

The US could ask the same question.
God forbid that we ever need financial assistance.

blonddgirl777
08-25-2006, 10:30 AM
Originally posted by Ellyllions
So what would work then?

How do we make the world un-hate us?

Isn't that the real question here?

I know that accepting more refugees (especially from the war) would be a good step but really...
It doesn't help for the vote of "love".
All it does is to give them the opportunity to complain eaven more...
I think that the more people get, the more they complain about everythingelse they DON"T get!

And no, you can't change people's feelings as they don't forgive and forget that easily...
It's like that with life in general... one bad will erase all the good one has made.

Eaven if you get "Mr. Rogers" as president, for the next 2 terms, people will still bitch about Bush... for years! (That's my prediction).

I say; Hell, never mind what people think, just like we, crazy Kanucks don't mind that people think we are all lumber jacks, wearing plaid and hunting polar bears everyday... saying "oot" and "aboot"...

NightProwler
08-25-2006, 10:33 AM
"accepting more refugees"?

The USA "accepts" enough illegal aliens as it is!

Stupid people will ALWAYS "hate" the USA.

We'll just have to get used to it.

Ellyllions
08-25-2006, 10:33 AM
Originally posted by blonddgirl777
... saying "oot" and "aboot"...

Did you know that people of Virginia say that too.
as well as:

Hoose (House);)

fer real

blonddgirl777
08-25-2006, 10:34 AM
Originally posted by NightProwler
"accepting more refugees"?

The USA "accepts" enough illegal aliens as it is!

Stupid people will ALWAYS "hate" the USA.

We'll just have to get used to it.

I agree...

Ellyllions
08-25-2006, 10:35 AM
Shoot, we can't even ship refugees from our own catastrophes without drama.

Katrina refugees are still having a hard time as well as the states that took them in....

blonddgirl777
08-25-2006, 10:36 AM
Originally posted by Ellyllions
Did you know that people of Virginia say that too.
as well as:

Hoose (House);)

fer real

I say "out" and "about" with my French/Canadian accent so I guess that makes me a fake Kanuck!... :D
It's like: "aaout" and "abaaout"... L.O.L.

blonddgirl777
08-25-2006, 10:41 AM
Originally posted by Ellyllions
Shoot, we can't even ship refugees from our own catastrophes without drama.

Katrina refugees are still having a hard time as well as the states that took them in....

We had a huge flood in 94 or 96 (I wasn't here)... one that the whole world got to witness.
Who helped us?
Ourselves, with telethons and fund raising from other residents of the province...
Not a penny from foregners and of course, we wouldn't expect money from the poorest countries but Jeez...
it just sucked to be us!

NightProwler
08-25-2006, 10:44 AM
Lucky for US our shoulders are broad...

blonddgirl777
08-25-2006, 10:46 AM
Here is the latest petition I received and eaven that, doesn't make us being more appreciated...



Do not apply for your old age pension.
Apply to be a refugee instead.
It is interesting that the federal government provides a single
refugee with a monthly allowance of $1,890.00 and each can get an additional $580.00 in social assistance for a total of $2,470.00.

This compares very well to a single pensioner who, after contributing to the growth and development of Canada for 40 or 50 years, can only receive a monthly maximum of $1,012.00 in old age pension and Guaranteed Income Supplement.

Maybe our pensioners should apply as refugees!

Maybe we can get the refugees cut back to $1,012.00 and the
pensioners up to $2,470.00 , so they can enjoy the money they were forced to submit to the Canadian government for those 40 to 50 years.



Really outrageous!

blonddgirl777
08-25-2006, 10:47 AM
Originally posted by NightProwler
Lucky for US our shoulders are broad...

Ours are breaking up...

Seshmeister
08-25-2006, 10:47 AM
Jesus here she goes again...

blonddgirl777
08-25-2006, 10:51 AM
Originally posted by Seshmeister
Jesus here she goes again...

No, no, don't worry... I'm NOT!

I just want to show those Americans that are being hated that there is probably nothing they could do
(including excessive charity) to make the world "love" them more...

That's all...

blonddgirl777
08-25-2006, 10:53 AM
Originally posted by Seshmeister
Jesus here she goes again...

But seriously Seishmeister, think aboot it...
How would you feel if that "Refugee VS Old Age" pension thing would apply to YOUR country?
Or perhaps it does???

NightProwler
08-25-2006, 10:56 AM
Fuck the world! If they hate us, they hate us.

They LOVE our money though!

blonddgirl777
08-25-2006, 11:34 AM
Originally posted by NightProwler
Fuck the world! If they hate us, they hate us.

They LOVE our money though!

Hypocrits!

NightProwler
08-25-2006, 11:43 AM
The check is in the mail!

blonddgirl777
08-25-2006, 12:10 PM
Originally posted by NightProwler
The check is in the mail!

Don't lift a finger... it's coming to you!

knuckleboner
08-25-2006, 02:02 PM
Originally posted by Ellyllions
Did you know that people of Virginia say that too.
as well as:

Hoose (House);)

fer real

we say WHAT?!

where's BBB? he's got my back...

Ellyllions
08-25-2006, 02:06 PM
My MIL is from Lexington, VA and she's always said

oot, aboot, and hoose

blonddgirl777
08-25-2006, 03:01 PM
Originally posted by Ellyllions
My MIL is from Lexington, VA and she's always said

oot, aboot, and hoose

I don't know if it applies to every part of Ingland but the Queen talks like that...

knuckleboner
08-25-2006, 03:35 PM
Originally posted by Ellyllions
My MIL is from Lexington, VA and she's always said

oot, aboot, and hoose

i'm just kidding. i'm from northern virginia. we're all carpetbaggers...

Coyote
08-25-2006, 03:48 PM
This whole "I hate the USA" thing is nothing but a fad. Pure'n'simple.
If you ask the "haters" any specifics, the topic's changed in a blink.

But if someone wants to analyze it, running the risk of humiliating him/herself in the process (like the guy who wrote the article), be my guest. It won't soil my Marlboro's.

Guitar Shark
08-25-2006, 03:54 PM
Originally posted by blonddgirl777
I don't know if it applies to every part of Ingland but the Queen talks like that...

Do they teach Inglish in Montreal?

Coyote
08-25-2006, 03:57 PM
Originally posted by Ellyllions
So what would work then?

How do we make the world un-hate us?

Here's an idea: Back off a bit.
The US doesn't have to step in & solve EVERY fight in the world, you know...

And a bit of humility wouldn't hurt either.

blonddgirl777
08-25-2006, 04:02 PM
Originally posted by Guitar Shark
Do they teach Inglish in Montreal?

I meant "ENGlish"...
God forbit I make a spelling mistake here... :rolleyes:
(Like I would be the only one)!

blonddgirl777
08-25-2006, 05:41 PM
Originally posted by blonddgirl777
I meant "ENGlish"...
God forbit I make a spelling mistake here... :rolleyes:
(Like I would be the only one)!

Now... when I'm tired (I need a nap), my Inglish is the first thing to go... :(

Ellyllions
08-25-2006, 07:19 PM
Originally posted by knuckleboner
i'm just kidding. i'm from northern virginia. we're all carpetbaggers...

I'm from Galax, over on the other end of the state.:D

Ellyllions
08-25-2006, 07:25 PM
Originally posted by Coyote
Here's an idea: Back off a bit.
The US doesn't have to step in & solve EVERY fight in the world, you know...

And a bit of humility wouldn't hurt either.

Now THAT's a good reply.
Honestly there are millions of us that wonder what business the US has in much of it's foreign policy. The media kept talking about how our Government was lacking on the response to Israel/Hizbollah/Palestine issue and we were wondering how our Government's word was supposed to do anything. If Mexico and us started going at it, does anyone think that if Israel/Lebanon/Palestine were to tell us we have to stop it would mean a damn thing to us?

Trust me when I tell you, just because the Government seems to be arrogant doesn't mean that every American is exactly like that.

Coyote
08-25-2006, 07:43 PM
Originally posted by Ellyllions
Now THAT's a good reply.
Honestly there are millions of us that wonder what business the US has in much of it's foreign policy. The media kept talking about how our Government was lacking on the response to Israel/Hizbollah/Palestine issue and we were wondering how our Government's word was supposed to do anything. If Mexico and us started going at it, does anyone think that if Israel/Lebanon/Palestine were to tell us we have to stop it would mean a damn thing to us?

Trust me when I tell you, just because the Government seems to be arrogant doesn't mean that every American is exactly like that.

I was referring to your government. And I know that every American isn't arrogant. Just as I know that we're all rednecks. :D
(With Borderline Lunatic Religious Fervor™ optional.)

Ellyllions
08-26-2006, 10:11 AM
Lewis Black said it best, "If a guy came into your office every day and said, 'I'm the greatest mother fucker here'....you'd kill him."

Coyote, I wish we honestly could keep our government's feet out of their mouths. I really wish we could...

Nickdfresh
08-26-2006, 11:33 AM
The truth is that there was enormous sympathy for the US after 9/11, at least in most places of the world. Yes, there's some bad history due to the legacy of the Cold War and such.

But Chimpy sure aggravated the problem with the unilateral invasion of Iraq, and his whole Freedom Fries, Jesus Juice, and the super-sized Crow unHappy Meal™. Yet people still blame the French as if their the source of all our problems. LOL

blonddgirl777
08-26-2006, 11:34 AM
Originally posted by Coyote
...The US doesn't have to step in & solve EVERY fight in the world, you know...

That's right!

And speaking of arrogance...

When G. W. Bush first started talking about 9/11, saying; "We're at war"... "Freedom", "Freedom", "Freedom"... and adressing the world saying "You are either WITH or AGAINST us..." now THAT was arrogance! Like it was ALL about the U-S because the shit happened inland (this time)...

Back when our P.M. Chrétien decided that we where not going to jump into that, it certainly didn't mean that we where AGAINST freedom and WITH the terrorists... especially that we all knew his real ulterieur motives...

Those statements didn't help varnishing the image of Americans but personally, I understood that not every U-S citizen shared that theorie (far from it) and thought: "What is this prick doing to them"?

blonddgirl777
08-26-2006, 11:38 AM
Originally posted by Nickdfresh
... Yet people still blame the French as if their the source of all our problems. LOL

Remember when Bush demanded that the French fries where to be call: "Freedom Fries"?

Talk about arrogance and stupidity... changing old terms to make a point!
(It's just fast food, for fuck sake!)

L.O.L. :rolleyes:

blonddgirl777
08-26-2006, 11:42 AM
Originally posted by Nickdfresh
The truth is that there was enormous sympathy for the US after 9/11...

Same as when any genocyde, massive attack and war where innocent people are always the ones ending up paying with their lives...

WACF
08-26-2006, 11:52 AM
Originally posted by blonddgirl777
Now... when I'm tired (I need a nap), my Inglish is the first thing to go... :(


Seeing as English is your second language I think you are doing just fine.

I have french relatives and whenever I read your posts I can hear their accent...

blonddgirl777
08-26-2006, 11:58 AM
Originally posted by WACF
... I have french relatives and whenever I read your posts I can hear their accent...

But Sshh... I like to beleive that I no longer have one... :(

Coyote
08-26-2006, 04:19 PM
Originally posted by Ellyllions
Lewis Black said it best, "If a guy came into your office every day and said, 'I'm the greatest mother fucker here'....you'd kill him."

Coyote, I wish we honestly could keep our government's feet out of their mouths. I really wish we could...

I believe this is the point where some guy would say, "I thought the people had the power to change things in a democracy?"

And L. Black is one of the funniest stand up comedians this side of Robin Williams... (Or Chris Rock)

franksters
08-26-2006, 04:27 PM
There is no democracy, there is only mediocracy...

Coyote
08-26-2006, 04:28 PM
Originally posted by blonddgirl777
That's right!

And speaking of arrogance...

When G. W. Bush first started talking about 9/11, saying; "We're at war"... "Freedom", "Freedom", "Freedom"... and adressing the world saying "You are either WITH or AGAINST us..." now THAT was arrogance! Like it was ALL about the U-S because the shit happened inland (this time)...

Back when our P.M. Chrétien decided that we where not going to jump into that, it certainly didn't mean that we where AGAINST freedom and WITH the terrorists... especially that we all knew his real ulterieur motives...

Those statements didn't help varnishing the image of Americans but personally, I understood that not every U-S citizen shared that theorie (far from it) and thought: "What is this prick doing to them"?

When I first read that phrase ("You're either...") in a magazine back in the day, my first thought was that a) this ain't the 80's, b) John Wayne he ain't and c) "Reap what you sow."

Coyote
08-26-2006, 04:29 PM
Originally posted by blonddgirl777
Remember when Bush demanded that the French fries where to be call: "Freedom Fries"?

Hello, Orwell!

Coyote
08-26-2006, 04:30 PM
Originally posted by franksters
There is no democracy, there is only mediocracy...

Forgot that one...:(