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Nickdfresh
09-02-2006, 09:21 AM
Democrats raise Rumsfeld attacks to put GOP on defensive
POSTED: 9:55 a.m. EDT, September 1, 2006

WASHINGTON (CNN) (http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/09/01/democrats.rumsfeld/index.html) -- Congressional Democrats are sharpening their attacks on Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, with one senator proposing a resolution that would call on President Bush to sack the outspoken Pentagon chief.

Sen. Barbara Boxer of California said Thursday that she wants to attach the measure to the defense appropriation bill coming to the Senate floor after lawmakers' August recess.

Democrats in the House of Representatives are likely to offer a similar proposal, a senior Democratic aide said.

The idea is to force Republicans to cast what would amount to a vote of confidence in Rumsfeld -- one of the architects of the increasingly unpopular war in Iraq -- before November's midterm elections, said a Democratic strategist close to the House.

Such a move also would give Democrats a chance to show a united front on Iraq by calling for Rumsfeld's dismissal.

Rumsfeld has said he has offered his resignation before, and President Bush has refused it. In April, Bush said that he wanted Rumsfeld to stay, declaring, "I'm the decider."
Appeaser comments draw fire

Rumsfeld outraged many Democratic leaders with a speech Tuesday to the American Legion convention in Utah, accusing critics of the 3-year-old war of turning a blind eye to "a new type of fascism" and "returning to that old mentality of 'Blame America first.' " (Full story)

But with U.S. troops trying to quell a wave of sectarian violence in Baghdad, Boxer and other Democrats placed the blame for American troubles in Iraq squarely on Rumsfeld. (Watch as Democrats accuse Rumsfeld of political rant -- 2:43)

"This latest Rumsfeld rampage cannot stand," Boxer said in a statement Thursday. "By comparing critics of this administration's policies in Iraq with those who wanted to appease fascism and Nazism in the run-up to World War II, he is slandering the majority of the American people, who oppose the war in Iraq."

Boxer's proposal states that Rumsfeld failed to plan adequately for the U.S. occupation of Iraq and ignored the rise of the insurgency that followed. It cites the criticism of retired generals, some of whom say Rumsfeld ignored military advice before the 2003 invasion that toppled Saddam Hussein.
House Democrats may introduce resolution

CNN has learned that Democratic leaders in the House are discussing the possibility of offering a similar "no-confidence" vote when Congress reconvenes in September. One senior Democratic aide said Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi of California supports the idea but needs to "vet it with our folks" before anything definitive would be announced.

Democrats hope opposition to the war -- which hit 61 percent in a CNN poll released last week -- will help them retake at least one house of Congress in November. The party strategist who discussed the idea said challengers could use the vote "to talk about the true colors of these individual incumbents."

"If Rob Simmons supports Rummy, you bet you'll see that in a 30-second ad," he said, referring to the Connecticut GOP congressman facing a challenge from Democrat Joe Courtney.

But White House counselor Dan Bartlett said Democratic calls to begin pulling U.S. troops out of Iraq "would be a disaster for the security of the American people."

"It doesn't matter what we debate on this topic. Our enemies believe it's the central front of the war on terror," Bartlett said. "So if we don't get the job done, they will view that as a victory, and that will be a huge setback."

Many Democrats have backed a phased-withdrawal of troops from Iraq, beginning by the end of this year.

CNN's Dana Bash and Andrea Koppel contributed to this report.

DEMON CUNT
09-02-2006, 12:40 PM
Watch!

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EAT MY ASSHOLE
09-02-2006, 08:40 PM
oh, as if you can belive anything off of cnn or youtube....

DEMON CUNT
09-02-2006, 08:48 PM
Originally posted by EAT MY ASSHOLE
oh, as if you can belive anything off of cnn or youtube....

Or Roth Army for that matter!

LoungeMachine
09-02-2006, 09:45 PM
Originally posted by EAT MY ASSHOLE
oh, as if you can belive anything off of cnn or youtube....


You know, it's pretty telling when a liberal, progressive, open minded free-thinker gets soo bored and disappointed with the weak talking-point debate skills of the Neo-BOTS in here, that the turtle-fucker has to post as a shit-stirring Dummy Con just to keep it interesting with the Lefties. ;)


Had no Idea the Cons in here used/needed the designated hitter rule.

How un-conservative :D

Nickdfresh
09-02-2006, 10:16 PM
Originally posted by LoungeMachine
You know, it's pretty telling when a liberal, progressive, open minded free-thinker gets soo bored and disappointed with the weak talking-point debate skills of the Neo-BOTS in here, that the turtle-fucker has to post as a shit-stirring Dummy Con just to keep it interesting with the Lefties. ;)


Had no Idea the Cons in here used/needed the designated hitter rule.

How un-conservative :D

And he's better at it than most of 'em.

EAT MY ASSHOLE
09-03-2006, 02:13 PM
Originally posted by LoungeMachine
You know, it's pretty telling when a liberal, progressive, open minded free-thinker gets soo bored and disappointed with the weak talking-point debate skills of the Neo-BOTS in here, that the turtle-fucker has to post as a shit-stirring Dummy Con just to keep it interesting with the Lefties. ;)


Yeah, that Warham is quite the kidder, isn't he?

LoungeMachine
09-04-2006, 12:42 PM
Mon, Sep. 04, 2006


Democrats call for ouster of Rumsfeld
By Michael McAuliff

New York Daily News

(MCT)

WASHINGTON - A movement is picking up steam among Democrats to ask President Bush to dump Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld.

"There are growing doubts about how competently he's conducted the war, whatever your ideology," said Sen. Chuck Schumer, D-N.Y.

Democrats and some Republicans have said before that the combative defense secretary should quit. But Sen. Barbara Boxer, D-Calif., proposed a formal resolution last week after Rumsfeld compared administration critics to Nazi appeasers, saying they don't understand the fascist threat of Islamic terrorists.

Rumsfeld was one of several administration officials, including the president, who hit the trail last week talking up their national security strategies - the one area where Americans consistently side with the GOP these days.

Both sides insist they're not playing election-year politics, but most polls find voters favor Democrats on just about every other issue, making it in the party's interest to discuss Iraq - and to make Rumsfeld the lightning rod.

"I think he should resign. He's fundamentally incompetent," Democratic party boss Howard Dean said on CBS' "Face the Nation."

One of Rumsfeld's defenders, Sen. Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., responded on the show that Democrats want to "wave the white flag" in Iraq, and he portrayed the Democrats as weak.

"I think Secretary Rumsfeld has done an excellent job," he said. "He'll be remembered as one of the great secretaries of defense."

But Schumer said the momentum was growing for the nonbinding resolution to ditch Rumsfeld. "There's a lot of discussion," he said.

"I'll probably support it," Sen. Joseph Biden, D-Del., said on ABC's "This Week," calling Rumsfeld an "impediment" in the war.

"He is not someone who is offering answers, and the rest of the world looks at what he has to say and continues to lose confidence in our ability," Biden said.

LoungeMachine
09-04-2006, 12:45 PM
Monday, September 4, 2006

KEAN ECHOES MENENDEZ'S CALL

GOP Senate hopeful wants Rumsfeld to quit

News Tribune Online 09/4/06

THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

TRENTON — New Jersey Republican U.S. Senate candidate Tom Kean Jr. called for the resignation of Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld yesterday, days after a new poll showed the Iraq war was hampering his U.S. Senate bid.



Kean joins a growing chorus of federal lawmakers, mostly Democrats, in calling for a change in leadership at the Pentagon. Senate Democrats could force a no-confidence vote on Rumsfeld this week.

"Donald Rumsfeld has to go," Kean said yesterday, between campaign stops at the Jersey Shore. "This is something I've been thinking about for months."

Kean said he has become increasingly frustrated over the Bush administration's handling of the Iraq war. He said he recently lost faith that new military leadership dispatched to Iraq in June would lead to change.

"It has become clear to me in recent days that what is needed is a change of direction, policy and attitude at the highest levels of our defense establishment in Washington," Kean said.

The son of Republican former Gov. Tom Kean Sr. is locked in a tight race for U.S. Senate. His opponent, Sen. Robert Menendez, D-N.J., holds the seat after being appointed by Gov. Jon S. Corzine to fill it until November.

Menendez on Friday called on Rumsfeld to resign and urged his opponent to do the same.

As a House member, Menendez voted against the 2002 resolution authorizing military action in Iraq. Kean has said he would have voted for the resolution, but added that significant mistakes have been made in the war.

ODShowtime
09-05-2006, 08:15 PM
The funny thing is that rummy himself concurs. Hasn't he submitted his resignation to gw more than once?

Nickdfresh
09-06-2006, 09:18 AM
Dems push Rumsfeld no-confidence vote
POSTED: 4:42 p.m. EDT, September 5, 2006
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WASHINGTON (CNN) (http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/09/05/rumsfeld.democrats/index.html) -- Democratic senators will try to present a no-confidence measure on Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld to the full Senate on Wednesday in an effort to persuade President Bush to sack the outspoken Pentagon chief, Democratic aides said.

Sen. Barbara Boxer of California was the first to move publicly on the measure, which will be attached to a defense appropriation bill, but Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid of Nevada is expected to offer the proposal.

Democrats in the House of Representatives are likely to offer a similar proposal, a senior Democratic aide said.

The Senate's Republican leadership may prevent a vote on the measure, and Rumsfeld would remain in office even if it passes the Republican-controlled Senate, which is unlikely.

However, such a move would force Republicans to cast what would amount to a vote of confidence in Rumsfeld -- one of the architects of the increasingly unpopular war in Iraq -- before November's midterm elections, a Democratic strategist close to the House said last week. (Watch as Rumsfeld plays hardball while Bush stays above fray -- 2:43)

It also would give the Democratic Party a chance to show a united front on Iraq.

Rumsfeld has said he has offered his resignation before, and Bush has refused it. The president said in April that he wanted Rumsfeld to stay, declaring, "I'm the decider."

White House spokesman Tony Snow on Tuesday said that the replacement of Rumsfeld is "not going to happen."

"The president strongly supports the defense secretary," Snow said.

"... Creating Don Rumsfeld as a bogeyman may make for good politics but would make for very lousy strategy at this time. And furthermore, if you listened to the speech that Secretary Rumsfeld gave last week, it was not only thoughtful but comprehensive about trying to frame the ongoing war against terror and also the war going on in Iraq and Afghanistan."

Rumsfeld outraged many Democrats and critics of the war during a speech last week to the American Legion convention in Salt Lake City, Utah.

The defense chief accused critics of the more than 3-year-old war of turning a blind eye to "a new type of fascism" and "returning to that old mentality of 'blame America first.' " (Full story)

In a letter Rumsfeld sent to Democrats on Friday, the defense secretary said he was "concerned" by the Democrats' reaction to his speech, according to The Associated Press.

"I know you agree that with America under attack and U.S. troops in the field, our national debate on this should be constructive," Rumsfeld wrote.

"Thought and careful preparation went into what I said," Rumsfeld wrote. "It is absolutely essential for us to look at lessons of history in this critical moment in the war on terror."

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