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Panamark
09-21-2006, 04:14 AM
Inspired by our awesome discussion of older lead vocalists.

Which of the older, original bands, are still delivering the goods ??

Both Live and Studio ?

I think to qualify, the band should be at least 10 years old......

Panamark
09-21-2006, 06:17 AM
Does anyone reckon the Stones still have *it* ???

They seem the obvious starting point here....

DavidLeeNatra
09-21-2006, 06:35 AM
stones...no question...AC/DC...and for those who like them U2...

maybe the IRONS, priest...

Mr Badguy
09-21-2006, 08:02 AM
Rush and Iron Maiden.

Never split and reformed for the money, never tried to recreate the past and never went down the nostalgia route.

And both still release powerful NEW music.

DavidLeeNatra
09-21-2006, 10:20 AM
and...sammy hagar!!!

he used to be a ridiculous asshole and became an even bigger one through the years...if this counts as "magic"...

binnie
09-21-2006, 10:42 AM
Iron Maiden, no question.


ACDC as far as live goes, but not on record (they are mediocre now IMO)


The Scorpions lost it in the 90's but have recovered it bot live and in the studio in recent years (Unbreakable was a strong record)

Little Texan
09-21-2006, 02:53 PM
Originally posted by binnie
The Scorpions lost it in the 90's but have recovered it bot live and in the studio in recent years (Unbreakable was a strong record)

You mean you didn't like "Winds Of Change" with the Andy Griffith, whistling intro? What's wrong with you? :D

Panamark
09-21-2006, 04:59 PM
What about Aerosmith ???

DavidLeeNatra
09-21-2006, 05:42 PM
Originally posted by Panamark
What about Aerosmith ???

they suck...

PumpedUpMidget
09-21-2006, 06:21 PM
Originally posted by Panamark
What about Aerosmith ???

Aerosmith has to be one of the 'softest' bands out there...

Jérôme Frenchise
09-21-2006, 06:57 PM
The Stooges. :)

OK, they had a 30-year "break", but hell, how they can still grind it!
If only they hadn't split in the middle of the 70s...
Who would still remember the little punks today? :cool:

Mr. Vengeance
09-21-2006, 10:06 PM
AC/DC still pound out good stuff and they are untouchable live.

Stones still deliver.

Deep Purple, I find, still has great stuff on album Haven't seen them live.

Motorhead keeps on giving us what they've got.

Alice Cooper comes through.

Dylan is still at it, with a string of strong albums. He's hit and miss live.

Off the top of my head, anyway.

Panamark
09-21-2006, 10:12 PM
LOL @ Natra & Midget, I threw "Aerosmith" in the mix just to see
what everyone would say... Thats pretty much what I was excpecting..

Man, some of those modern power love ballads were worthy of the
Sammy Hagar Academy of Song Writing... :p

Panamark
09-21-2006, 10:13 PM
Originally posted by Mr. Vengeance
AC/DC still pound out good stuff and they are untouchable live.

Stones still deliver.

Deep Purple, I find, still has great stuff on album Haven't seen them live.

Motorhead keeps on giving us what they've got.

Alice Cooper comes through.

Dylan is still at it, with a string of strong albums. He's hit and miss live.

Off the top of my head, anyway.

AC/DC are the best live !

But can we really consider them original ??
I guess if we compare it from "Back in Black"
onwards, its still all good !

Panamark
09-21-2006, 10:15 PM
Interesting one here..

Motley Crue !

Saw them earlier this year in Sydney
(Red, White and Crue)

and although Ive never been their biggest fan,
they sounded as good as always.
(Some would say, yeah they sound just as
shit as always)

But they still sound just the same live (to me)
as they did in the 80's.

Love em or hate em, they would have to be front runners
here.....

binnie
09-22-2006, 04:03 AM
Originally posted by Panamark
Interesting one here..

Motley Crue !

Saw them earlier this year in Sydney
(Red, White and Crue)

and although Ive never been their biggest fan,
they sounded as good as always.
(Some would say, yeah they sound just as
shit as always)

But they still sound just the same live (to me)
as they did in the 80's.

Love em or hate em, they would have to be front runners
here.....

Yep, completely lost it furing the "grunge years", Generation Swine was utter wank.

However, New Tattoo was a solid record (not great by any means) but the Red White And Crue tour was exceptional, they flattened a lot of "great" bands I have seen live.

They are still what they were about in '81: sex, drugs and rock n roll!

I guess the new album with be the proof of whether they can still cut it or a trading off past glories!

saint
09-22-2006, 05:25 AM
Originally posted by Panamark
LOL @ Natra & Midget, I threw "Aerosmith" in the mix just to see
what everyone would say... Thats pretty much what I was excpecting..

Man, some of those modern power love ballads were worthy of the
Sammy Hagar Academy of Song Writing... :p

Actually right now one of my friends is in Canada and writing ballads for the new Aerosmith album. Not to say anything bad about his song writing skills but its cheese as fuck, but he’s good at it.

Jérôme Frenchise
09-22-2006, 06:00 AM
The Stooges, dammit.

First gig from the reunion tour that's been on since 2003.
Detroit motherfuckin' shambles. Check out Ron Ashton taking off his 1968 raybans, and the big fat nutcase in the end.
Talking about old bands who are still in shape. Ain't that fun? :D

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binnie
09-22-2006, 06:02 AM
I have a lot vof respect for Aerosmith. There was conscious decision to move to the more poprock in the late 80's, and they made some good records in that genre (Pump/ Get a Grip). There has never been any pretence that since they cleaned up they have been doing anything but having fun: I can't ever remember them claiming that a new record was gonna be "Rocks", they had consciously changed and I suppose we either had to like it or lump it.....

But they really lost it in the mid - 90's, and "Just Press Play" was an awful record, only one decent song (Beyond Beautiful). Honkin on Bobo was more rockin, but still a little dull, IMO.

On record, therefore they have clearly lost a lot of their magic (although there were some rockin tunes on nine lives).

I haven't seen em live in years (they never tour here) but from what I've heard (their last live CD and DVD's) there's still a lot of magic there, and they could probably wipe the floor with most bands live.

Obviously CD/ DVD isn't the best way to judge that, and I'd like the comments of people who have actually seen them in recent years.

binnie
09-22-2006, 06:04 AM
What are people's views on Judas Priest?

Have they recaptured the magic with Halford?

Now, I wasn't all that impressed when I saw them last year but I thought the record was a real return to form (with the exception of Lochness, which was shit).

Any thoughts?

(I suppose if I compare them to Maiden, I can see that they haven't aged as well......)

Mr Badguy
09-22-2006, 08:07 AM
Originally posted by binnie
What are people's views on Judas Priest?

Have they recaptured the magic with Halford?

Now, I wasn't all that impressed when I saw them last year but I thought the record was a real return to form (with the exception of Lochness, which was shit).

Any thoughts?

(I suppose if I compare them to Maiden, I can see that they haven't aged as well......)

I love Priest but I can`t help but think the only reason they reformed was for the money and the desire to play bigger halls.

They were starting to slip through the cracks after "Demolition".

If Fight and particularly Priest with Owens had caught on big time then I doubt they would have buried the hatchet.

Halford seemed to do an awful lot of begging circa 2001.

I suppose you could say the same about Maiden although Bruce never said he wanted to go back.

binnie
09-22-2006, 08:20 AM
Originally posted by Mr Badguy
I love Priest but I can`t help but think the only reason they reformed was for the money and the desire to play bigger halls.



I don't doubt that for a second!

Jimmy Jingles
09-22-2006, 11:14 AM
Originally posted by Panamark
Interesting one here..

Motley Crue !

Saw them earlier this year in Sydney
(Red, White and Crue)

and although Ive never been their biggest fan,
they sounded as good as always.
(Some would say, yeah they sound just as
shit as always)

But they still sound just the same live (to me)
as they did in the 80's.

Love em or hate em, they would have to be front runners
here.....



Agreed.

I also saw Crue earlier this year and they fucking ripped it!

Mick Mars' tone sounded so fucking smooth.

Diamondjimi
09-22-2006, 04:10 PM
SLAYER

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Tiki-Tom
09-22-2006, 07:07 PM
Well, off the top of my head I'm going to add King's X.

Their last effort "Ogre Tones" is on par with "Gretchen..." IMO. Always been a top-notch band both live and in the studio. Highly underrated band also...so much that other bands that have played with them 'admittedly' hate going on after them.

SparkieD
09-23-2006, 12:56 AM
Originally posted by Mr Badguy


Halford seemed to do an awful lot of begging circa 2001.



I am so glad somebody else remembers this. That whining bastard did everything short of blowing everybody in the band...and shit, who knows? Maybe he did.

SparkieD
09-23-2006, 01:07 AM
Maiden, of course.

I'll second Tiki on King's X. No band out there is as tight as those guys.

Overkill certainly deserves a mention. While almost every band from their time frame and genre (ie. Metallica, Anthrax) went through a radical change in their sound, they haven't strayed from their formula EVER! And they are still putting out fucking incredible albums!



Fuck Motley Crue. Those guys haven't put out anything relevant since "Shout..."

rustoffa
09-24-2006, 01:54 AM
Blue Öyster Cult!

Panamark
09-24-2006, 03:07 AM
Shit ! I didnt even know Blue Oyster Cult were still around..
Obviously no fear of the reaper here !!!

Plexi Head
09-27-2006, 01:30 AM
Originally posted by Panamark
Inspired by our awesome discussion of older lead vocalists.

Which of the older, original bands, are still delivering the goods ??

Both Live and Studio ?

I think to qualify, the band should be at least 10 years old......

I thought the last CD Janes Addiction did fucking rocked from beginning to end.

binnie
09-27-2006, 03:56 AM
Originally posted by diamondjimi
SLAYER



Yep, always had it, always will have it!

MERRYKISSMASS2U
10-01-2006, 07:07 PM
Originally posted by diamondjimi
SLAYER

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That's fucking crazy. Have tyou heard "Christ Illusion"? It's hardcore just for the sake of being hardcore.

Anonymous
10-01-2006, 09:09 PM
There are several bands, but I'm quite happy that three of my favorites have not only resisted through the years, they also IMPROVED!

They be:

Helloween
Manowar
Iron Maiden

Not only have these bands continued to deliver solid albums, in Helloween and manowar case, their live acts have improved quite drastically.

Van Halen, on the other hand... :uck:

CheerS! :bottle:

binnie
10-02-2006, 05:22 AM
Originally posted by Plexi Head
I thought the last CD Janes Addiction did fucking rocked from beginning to end.

Damn straight!

Check out "The Panic Chanel" which is essentially Janes Addiction with a new vocalist - very rockin', great record.

Less ethereal than Janes (due to Perry's abscence) but one of the best records released this year!

binnie
10-02-2006, 05:24 AM
Originally posted by MERRYKISSMASS2U
That's fucking crazy. Have tyou heard "Christ Illusion"? It's hardcore just for the sake of being hardcore.

Hell yeah - no surprises on that one!!

I was actaully expecting more from the re-formation of the original line up, and I actually think "God Hates Us All" was a stronger record over all.

That being said "Chris Illusion" could wipe the floor with most heavy bands in about 20 seconds flat!

binnie
10-02-2006, 05:26 AM
Another band: Anthrax!

Saw them this year, kicked fucking ass live!!

I really dug the Bush-era stuff - Sound of the White Noise and We Have Come For You All were really strong and skull crushingly heavy records.

The other two also had their moments.

Anthrax now is just as good as they were in 1987!

GreenBayLA
02-28-2007, 09:24 PM
Damn I can't come up with anybody...
Aerosmith was hot for a few years when they got back together in the mid 80's. Still good live but all they do is release best of CDs w/ more power ballads- ug.
UFO and Deep Purple had one great reunion record w/ their classic lineup then pffffffffffffffft.
Maybe that's why I was so psyched for CVH reunion.

DrMaddVibe
02-28-2007, 10:17 PM
Prince

David Bowie

Red Hot Chili Peppers

Fishbone

For rock bands that have kept it going on all cylinders without failure. Don't hate them because they're 10 years ahead of the game.

As far as Heavy goes...

I gotta give King's X props...Living Colour they're not.

Preist lost me and then brought me back with "Angel of Retribution".

Perhaps there's still hope for RATM and Soundgarden????

monkeythe
02-28-2007, 11:30 PM
Dream Theater!!! 20 years and still kicking ass. They put on an incredible show that you can see multiple times without hearing the same songs and they try to top their previous efforts every time they go into the studio.

cMb
03-02-2007, 11:07 PM
ZZ Top.
I also agree with AC/DC & Iron Maiden. All three of these bands, While I'm sure they love $$$ as much as the next guy, don't seem to be doing it just for the ducats.

ppg960
03-03-2007, 12:58 AM
Judas Priest seem to captured the magic again with Rob Halford.
I find Brian Johnson's voice to be trashed now. Not the same at all for me.
Vince Neil and the Crue still sounded great when I saw them last year.
Rush still has it-never lost it.
Def Leppard sucks.
The Cult could still pull it off.
GNR got great reviews when they were here in September.