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LoungeMachine
09-26-2006, 08:44 PM
Sep 26, 2006 3:39 pm US/Central

Rice: Clinton Claims 'Flatly False'

Secretary Of State Challenges Ex-President's Record On Fighting Terror
CBS News Interactive: Bin Laden & Al Qaeda

(CBS News) WASHINGTON Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice challenged former President Bill Clinton's claim that he did more than many of his conservative critics to pursue al Qaeda, saying in an interview published Tuesday that the Bush administration aggressively pursued the group even before the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks.

"What we did in the eight months was at least as aggressive as what the Clinton administration did in the preceding years," Rice said during a meeting with editors and reporters at the New York Post.

The newspaper published her comments after Mr. Clinton appeared on "Fox News Sunday" in a combative interview in which he defended his handling of the threat posed by Osama bin Laden and said he "worked hard" to have the al Qaeda leader killed.

"That's the difference in me and some, including all of the right-wingers who are attacking me now," Mr. Clinton said in the interview. "They ridiculed me for trying. They had eight months to try, they did not try."

Rice disputed his assessment.

"The notion somehow for eight months the Bush administration sat there and didn't do that is just flatly false ? and I think the 9/11 commission understood that," she said.

Rice also took exception to Mr. Clinton's statement that he "left a comprehensive anti-terror strategy" for incoming officials when he left office.

"We were not left a comprehensive strategy to fight al Qaeda," she told the newspaper, which is owned by News Corp., the same company that owns Fox News Channel.

In the interview, Mr. Clinton accused host Chris Wallace of a "conservative hit job" and asked: "I want to know how many people in the Bush administration you asked, 'Why didn't you do anything about the Cole?' I want to know how many people you asked, 'Why did you fire Dick Clarke?"'

Rice portrayed the departure of former White House anti-terrorism chief Richard A. Clarke differently, saying he "left when he did not become deputy director of homeland security."

The reference to the Cole related to the attack on the USS Cole in 2000.

The interview has been the focus of much attention ? drawing nearly 1.2 million views on YouTube and earning the show its best ratings in nearly three years.

Rice questioned the value of the dialogue.

"I think this is not a very fruitful discussion," she said. "We've been through it. The 9/11 commission has turned over every rock and we know exactly what they said."

Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton saw it differently.

"I just think that my husband did a great job in demonstrating that Democrats are not going to take this," she told Newsday Monday.

Wallace said Sunday he was surprised by Mr. Clinton's "conspiratorial view" of "a very non-confrontational question, 'Did you do enough to connect the dots and go after al Qaeda?"'

"All I did was ask him a question, and I think it was a legitimate news question. I was surprised that he would conjure up that this was a hit job," Wallace said in a telephone interview.

(© 2006 CBS Broadcasting








'01 Memo to Rice Warned of Qaeda and Offered Plan
By Scott Shane
The New York Times

Saturday 12 February 2005

Washington - A strategy document outlining proposals for eliminating the threat from Al Qaeda, given to Condoleezza Rice as she assumed the post of national security adviser in January 2001, warned that the terror network had cells in the United States and 40 other countries and sought unconventional weapons, according to a declassified version of the document.

The 13-page proposal presented to Dr. Rice by her top counterterrorism adviser, Richard A. Clarke, laid out ways to step up the fight against Al Qaeda, focusing on Osama bin Laden's headquarters in Afghanistan. The ideas included giving "massive support" to anti-Taliban groups "to keep Islamic extremist fighters tied down"; destroying terrorist training camps "while classes are in session" and then sending in teams to gather intelligence on terrorist cells; deploying armed drone aircraft against known terrorists; more aggressively tracking Qaeda money; and accelerating the F.B.I.'s translation and analysis of material from surveillance of terrorism suspects in American cities.

Mr. Clarke was seeking a high-level meeting to decide on a plan of action. Dr. Rice and other administration officials have said that Mr. Clarke's ideas did not constitute an adequate plan, but they took them into consideration as they worked toward a more effective strategy against the terrorist threat.

The proposal and an accompanying three-page memorandum given to Dr. Rice by Mr. Clarke on Jan. 25, 2001, were discussed and quoted in brief by the independent commission studying the Sept. 11 attacks and in news reports and books last year. They were obtained by the private National Security Archive, which published the full versions, with minor deletions at the request of the Central Intelligence Agency, on its Web site late Thursday.

Under the heading "the next three to five years," Mr. Clarke spelled out a series of steps building on groundwork that he said had already been laid, adding that "success can only be achieved if the pace and resource levels of the programs continue to grow as planned."

He said the CIA had "prepared a program" focused on eliminating Afghanistan as a haven for Al Qaeda.

It would feature "massive support" to anti-Taliban groups like the Northern Alliance and the destruction of training camps occupied by terrorists. "We would need to have special teams ready for covert entry into destroyed camps to acquire intelligence for locating terrorist cells outside Afghanistan," he wrote, saying that this would either require Special Operations troops or some other "liaison force capable of conducting activity on-the-ground inside Afghanistan." Predator drones, some of which could be armed, would support those forces, he wrote.

Some of what he proposed in the way of support for the Northern Alliance or for Uzbekistan, which borders Afghanistan to the north, was deleted from the document before it was declassified. But some of the actions he proposed were not intended to be kept secret, like "overt U.S. military action" aimed at the command and control of Al Qaeda and the Taliban's military.

The previously secret documents were at the heart of a fiercely partisan debate over Mr. Clarke's contention, in a book and in public statements, that the Bush administration had ignored his warnings of the imminent danger posed by Mr. bin Laden and his terrorist organization.

The shorter memorandum was written in response to a request for "major presidential policy reviews" worthy of a meeting of "principals," the president's top foreign policy advisers. It began: "We urgently need such a Principals level review on the al Qida network." The word "urgently" was italicized and underscored; the "al Qida" spelling was used in both documents.

"We would make a major error if we underestimated the challenge al Qida poses," the memorandum said.

The principals' meeting on Al Qaeda took place, but not until Sept. 4, 2001, a week before the attacks on New York and the Pentagon.

The longer document was titled "Strategy for Eliminating the Threat From the Jihadist Networks of al Qida: Status and Prospects." It included a detailed description of the network, saying it was "well financed, has trained tens of thousands of jihadists, and has a cell structure in over 40 nations. It also is actively seeking to develop and acquire weapons of mass destruction."

The strategy paper recounted past Qaeda plots against Americans abroad and at home and said an informant had reported "that an extensive network of al Qida 'sleeper' agents currently exists in the U.S." After reviewing steps taken since 1996 to combat Al Qaeda, the document listed further actions required to make the network "not a serious threat" within three to five years.

Dr. Rice, now the secretary of state, and other administration officials have asserted that the documents did not amount to a full plan for taking on the terrorist network.

"No Al Qaeda plan was turned over to the new administration," Dr. Rice wrote in an op-ed article for The Washington Post last March. She wrote that Mr. Clarke and his team "suggested several ideas, some of which had been around since 1998 but had not been adopted."

Mr. Clarke had served in high-level government posts since the Reagan administration and stayed on from the Clinton administration. He resigned in February 2003 and last year published a memoir, "Against All Enemies: Inside America's War on Terror." (Mr. Clarke began writing a column on security matters for The New York Times Magazine this month.)

Nearly nine months before the Sept. 11 attacks, the papers described the danger posed by the bin Laden network and sought to focus the attention of the new administration on what to do about it. But the texts are unlikely to resolve the debate over whether they should have led to more urgent action by the administration.

"I think Condi Rice has at least an arguable case that it's short of a plan," said Michael E. O'Hanlon, a security analyst at the Brookings Institution.

Mr. O'Hanlon called Mr. Clarke's memorandums a set of "very dry data points. There's not a heightened sense of, 'Now our homeland is at risk.' "

But Matthew Levitt, who was an F.B.I. counterterrorism analyst in 2001, disagreed. He called the 13-page strategy memorandum "a pretty disturbing document."

Mr. Levitt, now director of terrorism studies at the Washington Institute for Near East Policy, said that whether the document constitutes a "plan," as Mr. Clarke averred and Dr. Rice denied, is "a semantic debate." But he said the experience of reading the original documents for the first time Friday left him with a strong impression of the danger Al Qaeda posed.

"I think it makes the threat look pretty urgent," Mr. Levitt said. "I look at this and I see something that to my mind requires immediate attention."

Asked about the documents at a press briefing on Friday, Richard A. Boucher, the spokesman for the State Department, declined to expand on Dr. Rice's previous comments on the administration's response to Mr. Clarke's warnings.

"The fact that now the memo or letter has been released has - just provides you more information, but I think she's really already discussed all these matters pretty thoroughly," Mr. Boucher said.

Mr. Clarke did not respond to a request for comment.

The two papers were declassified by the National Security Council on April 7, one day before Dr. Rice testified before the 9/11 commission, but were not released publicly until the National Security Archive filed a Freedom of Information Act request.

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LoungeMachine
09-26-2006, 08:48 PM
Originally posted by LoungeMachine




"We were not left a comprehensive strategy to fight al Qaeda," she told the newspaper, which is owned by News Corp., the same company that owns Fox News Channel.



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Originally posted by LoungeMachine

Washington - A strategy document outlining proposals for eliminating the threat from Al Qaeda, given to Condoleezza Rice as she assumed the post of national security adviser in January 2001, warned that the terror network had cells in the United States and 40 other countries and sought unconventional weapons, according to a declassified version of the document.

The 13-page proposal presented to Dr. Rice by her top counterterrorism adviser, Richard A. Clarke, laid out ways to step up the fight against Al Qaeda, focusing on Osama bin Laden's headquarters in Afghanistan.
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DEMON CUNT
09-26-2006, 09:55 PM
Yep. And it ain't the first fucking time either.

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Dr. Love
09-26-2006, 10:43 PM
At first I was skeptical, but I have to say it was the extra exclamation points that really sold me on it.

DEMON CUNT
09-26-2006, 11:17 PM
Here's one of the memos that Condi the lying neocon war criminal was given by Clarke.

http://www.rawstory.com/images/clarkerice.pdf

More coverage here:

RAW STORY: 2001 memo to Rice contradicts statements about Clinton, Pakistan (http://www.rawstory.com/news/2006/2001_memo_to_Rice_contradicts_statements_0926.html )

Bush Administration = Liars. Every single one of them!

IF YOU VOTED FOR BUSH YOU VOTED FOR THIS!

Nickdfresh
09-26-2006, 11:56 PM
Originally posted by Dr. Love
At first I was skeptical, but I have to say it was the extra exclamation points that really sold me on it.

Well, I can tell that you are a man that values exclamation points. Since you have four giant ones in your sig.

LoungeMachine
09-27-2006, 12:03 AM
Originally posted by Nickdfresh
Well, I can tell that you are a man that values exclamation points. Since you have four giant ones in your sig. :D

Hardrock69
09-27-2006, 09:21 AM
!!!!

ELVIS
09-27-2006, 09:24 AM
????

Dr. Love
09-27-2006, 09:29 AM
Originally posted by ELVIS
????

I'm not so big on the question marks.

LoungeMachine
09-27-2006, 09:52 AM
Originally posted by ELVIS
????


You needn't point out the fact you're clueless.

We knew.

ELVIS
09-27-2006, 09:55 AM
Good day to you too, asswipe...;)

LoungeMachine
09-27-2006, 10:10 AM
Originally posted by ELVIS
Good day to you too, asswipe...;)


I'm sorry.

Where are my manners?

Welcome back, E. Hope you enjoyed your trip.

You needn't point out the fact you're clueless.

We knew

ELVIS
09-27-2006, 10:11 AM
U da idiot!

:D

LoungeMachine
09-27-2006, 10:14 AM
Back on the sauce again I see.....

LoungeMachine
09-27-2006, 10:15 AM
Isn't lying a Sin?

Isn't Condi going to hell now?

ELVIS
09-27-2006, 10:16 AM
I have to closely examine what you posted...

EAT MY ASSHOLE
09-27-2006, 10:20 AM
Indeed, in this world of lying liars, there's is truly only one choice any truly red-blooded American can make in the next presidential election...

EAT MY ASSHOLE/MACACA '08!!!!!!!!

LoungeMachine
09-27-2006, 10:23 AM
Originally posted by ELVIS
I have to closely examine what you posted...


That'll be a first....

EAT MY ASSHOLE
09-27-2006, 10:25 AM
Originally posted by ELVIS
I have to closely examine what you posted...


Originally posted by LoungeMachine
That'll be a first....

You walked into that one, E.

Or should I say.....HMMMMMMMMMMMM.....

LoungeMachine
09-27-2006, 10:27 AM
Originally posted by EAT MY ASSHOLE
Indeed, in this world of lying liars, there's is truly only one choice any truly red-blooded American can make in the next presidential election...

EAT MY ASSHOLE/MACACA '08!!!!!!!!

Just so long as you shore up the turtlefucker wing of the Republican Party, you should do fine....

DEMON CUNT
10-03-2006, 08:59 AM
Neocon speaks, neocon lies.

There's MORE!

NY Times: Records Show Tenet Briefed Rice on Al Qaeda Threat (http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10/02/washington/03ricecnd.html?ex=1160452800&en=a9fc92094cf1099a&ei=5065&partner=MYWAY)

Hardrock69
10-03-2006, 09:09 AM
Another story on Yahoo about the same thing:



State Dept. confirms Rice-Tenet meeting

By ANNE GEARAN, Associated Press Writer 10 minutes ago

JEDDAH, Saudi Arabia - Secretary of State
Condoleezza Rice did receive a
CIA briefing about terror threats just about two months before the Sept. 11 attacks, but the information was not new, her chief spokesman said.


In doing so, Sean McCormack confirmed a meeting — on July 10, 2001 — that his boss had said repeatedly she could not specifically recall. She had said earlier that there were virtually daily meetings at the time.

A new book by reporter Bob Woodward of Watergate fame describes the White House meeting as an emergency wakeup call that Rice had brushed off. Rice was
President Bush's national security adviser at the time and was promoted to the top diplomatic job last year.

Although spokesmen for the State Department and the National Security Council indicated Sunday that such a meeting had taken place, Rice was still saying Monday that she was not sure about it. She said she would have remembered the sort of forceful warning the book claims was conveyed there.

"We can confirm that a meeting took place on or around July 10, 2001," McCormack said late Monday.

"The information presented in this meeting was not new, rather it was a good summary from the threat reporting from the previous several weeks," he added.

Woodward's book "State of Denial" recounts the meeting among then-CIA Director George Tenet, Rice and the CIA's top counterterror officer. The book said the session stood out in the minds of the CIA officials as the "starkest warning they had given the White House" on al-Qaida leader
Osama bin Laden and his network.

McCormack said that after the meeting, Rice had asked that the same material be given to Secretary of Defense Donald H. Rumsfeld and then-Attorney General
John Ashcroft.

Materials from this meeting were made available to the independent Sept. 11 Commission, and Tenet was asked about the session when interviewed by the commission, McCormack said.

The meeting is not part of the commission report.

Meanwhile, Ashcroft said Monday that he should have been notified of any such report dealing with a pending attack on the United States. "It just occurred to me how disappointing it was that they didn't come to me with this type of information," he said in an interview with The Associated Press.

"The
FBI is responsible for domestic terrorism," Ashcroft said. He said both Tenet and Black should have been aware that he had pressed for a more aggressive policy in going after bin Laden and his followers in the United States and should have briefed him as well. Rice knew of this advocacy, he suggested.

According to the Sept. 11 Commission, Ashcroft was briefed on July 5, 2001, "warning that a significant terrorist attack was imminent." The report noted that the briefing addressed only threats outside the United States.

Woodward wrote that the meeting among Tenet, Rice and Black stood out in the minds of Tenet and Black as the "starkest warning they had given the White House" on al-Qaida leader Osama bin Laden and his network.

Tenet asked for the meeting after receiving a disturbing briefing from Black, according to the book.

A former intelligence official, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said the Sept. 11 Commission and an earlier joint congressional inquiry into the 9/11 attacks were both informed of Tenet's and Black's meeting with Rice, when Tenet warned Rice that a significant attack was coming.

In a closed, classified session at CIA headquarters, Tenet told Sept. 11 Commissioner Richard Ben-Veniste, the commission's executive director Phil Zelikow and other commission staff about Rice's meeting with Tenet and Black, the official said.

The former intelligence official said the commission kept a transcript of that Jan. 28, 2004, session. A second official familiar with the document, who also spoke on condition of anonymity, confirmed its existence.


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061003/ap_on_re_mi_ea/rice_woodward_book



Fucking Condi Rice is a LYING BITCH and needs to be taken out of office.

As do all of them.

CHIMPEACHMENT NOW!!!

Nickdfresh
10-03-2006, 09:57 AM
These are really dupe posts, as I started a separate thread on this. But goshdamnit! Frankly, there can't be enough threads on this incompetent, ass-covering Oprah-wannabe phony!

Hardrock69
10-03-2006, 08:54 PM
Yeah I know but the one I posted had just enough difference I figured what the fuck.

Be glad I posted it in the same thread!
:D

Dr. Love
10-03-2006, 11:13 PM
Man, Lounge, you're really hammerin' 'em in this thread. Wow.

LoungeMachine
10-03-2006, 11:25 PM
Originally posted by Dr. Love
Man, Lounge, you're really hammerin' 'em in this thread. Wow.

asshole:mad:


The exclamation marks wiped me out;)


I got nothin left.