Randy Rhoads Behind the Music

[ThrillsNSpills]

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Suicide Solution :killer:

[Vinnie Velvet]

HA!

Can't get over Dubrow's hair plugs.

:D

[Terry]

Funny that this is the first time I've seen live footage of Randy playing with Ozzy - had seen some of that video when it was used for the Crazy Train promo vid off the Tribute album -

Has Ozzy ever released any live footage of Randy, like on a previous video release?

[ThrillsNSpills]

Originally posted by Terry
Funny that this is the first time I've seen live footage of Randy playing with Ozzy - had seen some of that video when it was used for the Crazy Train promo vid off the Tribute album -

Has Ozzy ever released any live footage of Randy, like on a previous video release?

Commercially I don't think so, but there's a few more songs from the video Suicide Solution came from. I think it's called After Hours and if you click the video portion of the above video you can see them at YouTube. It's great watching him wail on the polka dot flying V with a bar. There really should be a Tribute DVD or something like it now that you mention it.

[Terry]

Originally posted by ThrillsNSpills
Commercially I don't think so, but there's a few more songs from the video Suicide Solution came from. I think it's called After Hours and if you click the video portion of the above video you can see them at YouTube. It's great watching him wail on the polka dot flying V with a bar. There really should be a Tribute DVD or something like it now that you mention it.

I have to believe that at least a couple of shows with RR were filmed, either professionally or otherwise...although I suppose if the Osbournes had the footage and the rights to release it, they'd have done so by now.

[Seshmeister]

Rudy Sarzo left with Randy in 1979 to join Ozzy?

Is this the latest history rewrite by fucking Sharon to remove Bob Daisley?

[Hardrock69]

No fucking shit!

[Seshmeister]

Next she'll be saying Bob Daisley was flying the plane...

[Seshmeister]

"My wife couldn't mention his name or play the record for quite some time afterward"

She did manage to line up a replacement within what, 10 days though?

[Terry]

I remember an interview with Ozzy in the 1980s where, talking about Brad Gillis, Oz said something along the lines that Gillis had to be "one stone cold motherfucker to be able to get up there and play the licks [so soon after RR died}". Always struck me funny, because it was like, um, Ozzy and the whole rest of the band who had been playing with RR for the WHOLE DIARY TOUR went on and did the gigs without missing a beat.

[Diamondjimi]

Originally posted by Terry
I remember an interview with Ozzy in the 1980s where, talking about Brad Gillis, Oz said something along the lines that Gillis had to be "one stone cold motherfucker to be able to get up there and play the licks [so soon after RR died}". Always struck me funny, because it was like, um, Ozzy and the whole rest of the band who had been playing with RR for the WHOLE DIARY TOUR went on and did the gigs without missing a beat.

I saw that tour (post Rhoads ) in Toronto. He did an awesome job. He had his trademark roaring Mesa-Boogie tone .Killer !
I was sooooo into seeing Randy. What a fuckin tragedy!
I was hoping Gillis would stick around and do a new studio album...
He only did it for profile and to bring attention to Night Ranger.

[binnie]

Originally posted by Terry


Has Ozzy ever released any live footage of Randy, like on a previous video release?

Not to my knowledge, which is a surprise considering the Sharon cash-cow!

Hunting around youtube, it also seems pretty clear that there is a full concert with Jake E Lee on the "Bark" tour (might be Ultimate Sin but I haven't checked.) Footage from either would be lapped up by the fans!

[ThrillsNSpills]

Originally posted by Seshmeister
Rudy Sarzo left with Randy in 1979 to join Ozzy?

Is this the latest history rewrite by fucking Sharon to remove Bob Daisley?


Good point.
Credited as Bob Daisy on the Ozzman cometh.

[Seshmeister]

Originally posted by binnie
Not to my knowledge, which is a surprise considering the Sharon cash-cow!

Hunting around youtube, it also seems pretty clear that there is a full concert with Jake E Lee on the "Bark" tour (might be Ultimate Sin but I haven't checked.) Footage from either would be lapped up by the fans!


There were official VHS videos of both tours.

[ULTRAMAN VH]

I remember Mtv aired a concert from the Bark At The Moon Tour and a show with Brad Gillis on guitar. Gillis did have a pretty killer guitar tone when playing live with Ozzy. I always liked Jake E. Lee, but his tone was really drowned with to many effects.

[binnie]

Originally posted by Seshmeister
There were official VHS videos of both tours.

Really?

I fuckin missed them!

Cheers, I will have do some online hunting to find em (still prefer a DVD re-release though)

[ThrillsNSpills]

Originally posted by binnie
Really?

I fuckin missed them!

Cheers, I will have do some online hunting to find em (still prefer a DVD re-release though)

Binnie, there's good Jake E. Lee footage at Youtube probably from the shows Sesh mentioned.
Look In Non and I put a link to a page where you can save Youtube videos.

[Seshmeister]

I can't remember the name of the Bark At the Moon live video. It was recorded at Salt Lake City and is my favourite. It's raw and seems npt tp have been tampered with too much.

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The Ultimate Sin one is called 'The Ultimate Ozzy' and is much glossier but from memory sounds as though there have been a lot of fucking around with the vocals. Much worse set list IMHO too.

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You should be able to get a hold of 'The Ultimate Ozzy' on Amazon.

Watch out when looking for the BATM tour video because there was also a compilation tape of videos from his singles called BATM, I think. It's all so long ago...

If you find a source for the Salt Lake City show let me know, I lost it years and years ago.

Cheers!

:gulp:

[Seshmeister]

Hah Ozzy live on the Tube is on YouTube.

I remember being a bit disappointed watching this at the time but now I see all the comments of younger fans sayin 'Ozzy in his prime'.:) LOL!

The real tension and excitement was wondering if and when Ozzy's voice was going to go completely, in front of millions of TV viewers.:)

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Lets Have Some Rock and Roll Craziness...:)

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[ThrillsNSpills]

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Rock and Roll Rebel !!

[Seshmeister]

Hey I haven't seen this before. BATM from Germany in 1983 with Carmine Appice.

Jake E Lee is flawless as ever.

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[FORD]

Originally posted by Terry
I remember an interview with Ozzy in the 1980s where, talking about Brad Gillis, Oz said something along the lines that Gillis had to be "one stone cold motherfucker to be able to get up there and play the licks [so soon after RR died}". Always struck me funny, because it was like, um, Ozzy and the whole rest of the band who had been playing with RR for the WHOLE DIARY TOUR went on and did the gigs without missing a beat.

Gillis wasn't even the first replacement. They had a guy named Bernie Torme for a little while, and as Sesh implied, they were playing gigs with him a couple weeks after Randy died. Ozzy had also talked to Gary Moore of Thin Lizzy, but decided that was a bad idea because (in Ozzy's words) "He's a cunt. An ugly nasty cunt."

Er, not like Sharon, of course ;)

[Terry]

Still have the Ultimate Ozzy on VHS.

1986 release from CBS FOX.

Track listing is as follows:

Shot In The Dark (promo vid)
Bark At The Moon (live)
Suicide Solution (live)
Never Know Why (live)
Mr.Crowley (live)
I Don't Know (live)
Killer Of Giants (live)
Thank God For The Bomb (live)
Lightning Strikes (promo vid)
Flying High Again (live) - for some reason this is printed as Flying High on the back of the box
Secret Loser (live)
Iron Man (live)
Crazy Train (live)
Paranoid (live)
The Ultimate Sin (promo vid)

The vocals on it were clearly overdubbed in parts, but they were also overdubbed on the Speak Of The Devil concert with Gillis playing guitar as well.

Didn't know there was footage from the Bark At The Moon tour floating around. Would be interested in seeing that. I think I may have seen some of it years ago, but for some reason the footage I recall seeing had Tommy Alridge on drums, and when I saw that tour live Carmine Appice was behind the skins, so maybe I didn't see it - did Appice play drums for the whole Bark At The Moon tour, or did Alridge come back midway through the tour?

[Coyote]

Originally posted by FORD
Gillis wasn't even the first replacement. They had a guy named Bernie Torme for a little while, and as Sesh implied, they were playing gigs with him a couple weeks after Randy died. Ozzy had also talked to Gary Moore of Thin Lizzy, but decided that was a bad idea because (in Ozzy's words) "He's a cunt. An ugly nasty cunt."

Er, not like Sharon, of course ;)

According to Mr. Moore...

"Ozzy called me the after Randy was killed and asked me to complete the tour with him. I said yes out of respect for Randy, though it would have been an extremely difficult situation. But before it happened, I fell and chipped a bone in my wrist and was unable to play."

Guitar World, April '05

[dawiseone]

M T V had a full concert broadcast of Randy and Ozzy in October of 1981 or 1982. It was a Halloween special I saw the whole thing. I also have 2 pictures of ozzy and Randy almost identical to the album cover of the tribute album. And 1 of Randy jamming with a pick in his teeth and one leg up on a stage moniter. Hes wearing a redish kinda purple leather jumpsuit. I took this picture of him he was only about 4 feet from me. Also got a pic from him with his teeth marks on it. I wonder if thaey are worth anything?

[Terry]

Originally posted by Seshmeister
Hey I haven't seen this before. BATM from Germany in 1983 with Carmine Appice.

Jake E Lee is flawless as ever.

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Wow.

The whole band was fuckin' SMOKING!

[binnie]

Originally posted by Terry
Wow.

The whole band was fuckin' SMOKING!

Yep!

Jake E Lee is exceptional!

[Seshmeister]

Originally posted by FORD
Gillis wasn't even the first replacement. They had a guy named Bernie Torme for a little while, and as Sesh implied, they were playing gigs with him a couple weeks after Randy died. Ozzy had also talked to Gary Moore of Thin Lizzy, but decided that was a bad idea because (in Ozzy's words) "He's a cunt. An ugly nasty cunt."

Er, not like Sharon, of course ;)

Yeah Ozzy also said that Gary Moore had a face like a welders bench.:)

Not sure who is telling the truth between the two.

The Bernie Torme story has been posted before but here it is again...

http://www.bernietorme.com/

Bernie Torme's Ozzy Page
Some pics:


And all I've got is a photograph or two: Ozz, our hero in his cod-piece, Tommy Aldridge (my hero since Black Oak Arkansas), missing in action on top of the great pyramid of Cheops, Don Airey high up on the left of pic about to hang his smalls and and the rest of this morning's washing out the castle window, Rudy, as ever, being a wizard, a true rock,n,roll star, and me on the right of pic wondering what the f**k is going to happen next: dragged across the stage by my hair? blown up? devoured by bats? picked up and dropped by Ozz? (after all, at six foot I'm a bit larger than Randy was) how many guitarists are in the front row and how many have been promised auditions? How many of them are going to be on the tour bus to-morrow? why have I got this silly jacket on? and WHAT is the next chord?

http://www.retrowrek.com/bernieroot%20folder/images/ozz_1.jpg

I think the pic is Ross Halfin's: respect due. I love everybody in this picture

http://www.retrowrek.com/bernieroot%20folder/images/BERNIEOZZY~2.JPG

and another from the same series: Tommy's kit going up in smoke. (Thanks to Randy Perry for this)


Frequently Asked Questions
I get asked questions a lot about my short time with Ozzy, and there are some silly press quotes about it all floating around. Here is what I remember:

On 22nd or 23rd March 1982, a very few days after the tragic death of guitarist Randy Rhoads on the 19th, I was approached to stand in/ replace him as guitarist in Ozzy's band.

At first, which probably sounds strange, I didn't really want to do it.

I'd always been much more into Zeppelin and Purple than Sabbath in the late sixties/ early seventies: I had then got into punk, and joined Ian Gillan from Deep Purple in Gillan. I didn't know too much about Ozzy, I hadn't really kept up with what he was up to. And I didn't see my playing as being stylistically much like Tony Iommi, who was the only guitarist I knew of in the context of Ozzy.

But, anyway, I was talked into giving it a try late afternoon on the 23rd March: I had about two days to sort myself out before going to audition for Ozzy in LA. So, first thing I did was go out and buy copies of Blizzard of Ozz and Diary of a Madman: I was totally blown away: by Randy's playing, by the great songs, and by Ozzy's performance: two totally brilliant albums.

From this you can also see that I did not have much time to learn what was quite a body of material.

I was supposed to fly out on the 25th and went to the airport: the airline wouldn't let me on because the record company had only supplied a one way ticket, which at that time would have meant that I would have been sent home by US immigration soon as I arrived in LA.

So, finally, off I flew out to LA on friday 26th, and met Don Airey that day, but no-one else from the band so far as I can recall. On the 27th, the day after I arrived, I met everyone and auditioned, and auditioned again the day after that: there were 2 other guitarists auditioning the second day, culled from maybe 4 the first day: I may be wrong about the number on the first day, I don't remember the first day so clearly, I was still very tired, disorientated, and jet-lagged. I felt very out of place.

On the 28th I was offered the gig, which I understood at the time to be temporary, in order to give Ozzy and his band time to get over the tragedy of Randy's death, get back on the road, and decide what they wanted to do next. That suited me fine, since I had an album coming out in Europe and Japan in a matter of months with my band the Electric Gypsies, and I wanted to go back to promote that.

On one of these days while I was in LA, Randy's funeral took place, I don't know the date. I did not go, but obviously Ozzy and the rest of the band and Sharon went. It may have even been the morning of the day we flew to New York, I don't remember.

On the 29th we flew from LA to New York.

I played my first gig with Ozzy on 1st April at Bethlehem Pennsylvania: my guitars had not yet got through customs after being freighted from the UK, so I had a hired guitar, which was a total nightmare, and one which Ozzy had bought me in LA which I still have and love. We ran through the entire set for the first time during the soundcheck.

I was very proud to be asked and to be able to help Ozzy and the band get over the first few gigs after Randy's death. I still find that humbling. That must have incredibly difficult and painful for them: they must have looked across at me on stage, and wished I wasn't there, wished it was Randy.

And from my point of view Randy was such an incredible guitarist, a truly great player, very difficult for anyone to try to match, or to attempt to replace: and I was not an imitator. I was, and am a pretty instantly recognisable player. From that point of view, I may not have been an ideal choice.

(On the personal side I liked Ozzy very much, he was a nice person: and very funny. He, and Sharon (his wife/manager) were both very kind to me, and that was at a time when they had an enormous amount of troubles and other priorities pressing on them. (Sharon had also lost a close friend in the aircrash which killed Randy. her friend had been working on the tour as the stageclothes/wardrobe lady. That tends to get overlooked). In fact everyone in the band, Tommy, Rudy and Don, were also very helpful and kind, and I really appreciated that. It must have been very difficult and painful for all of them).

It was obviously a big priority for Ozzy to get back on the road, and carry on working on a project which he, Sharon, and the band had put so much into, and had turned at that stage into a big success. They had to carry on, and they also really had to do so as quickly as possible, or all those years of groundwork, which had once again lifted Ozzy from comparative obscurity to playing stadiums, would have been labour in vain, totally wasted effort.

I also think that a pause to reflect on the situation would have made it even harder for them to carry on.

I was very glad to have been able to help at all with that, and very proud and honoured to have been asked and trusted to be able to help.

But I did not really see that the reason I was on the planet was to spend the next few years playing Randy's guitar parts, or trying to play them as best I could. There were plenty of other players who would have been very happy to do that, would do it as well or far better than me, and would do it without trying to put their own stamp on it, as I felt I had to.

Much as I was happy to help, and honoured to be asked, I did not feel that imitating Randy was a good way for me to show the respect I had acquired both for him and for his writing and playing.

Because of that I decided that this was not a situation I wanted to stay in.

We were staying at the Helmsley Palace in NYC, I called Ozzy's room and said that I did not want to continue, but would wait until they found someone else they were happy with. They were both very understanding, though I think they both thought I was totally crazy.

Brad Gillis meanwhile had been travelling in one of the crewbuses, having been recommended, as I think he told me, by someone in the record co in LA. No one appeared to want to give him an audition: I saw him with a guitar one day messing around and thought, this guy can do it, he's absolutely great! He also knew the material, having been a fan of Randy's. I spoke to Ozzy and Sharon (I think) and Don Airey about him, Don (the principal inquisitioner: you had to get past Don to get a proper audition!) was not at all keen to audition him. At the time I think he preferred me to stay. I talked him into giving Brad a try, he auditioned him, loved his playing, and we were all happy. I was outta there, and they got a great guitar player.

I would still love to record some of those tracks the way I played them, in memory of Randy. For some reason I've never got round to it: hope to someday.

There have also been some press quotes regarding my discomfort with the size and the level of the gigs: this is perfectly true, but not because I was nervous or whatever. I get more nervous at auditions or doing interviews! People misinterpreted what I meant by that. I did not like playing places where I could not hear what the other players were playing. I am by nature a jammy player, I like living on my wits, making it up as I go along: thats what I'm good at. John Coltrane and Charlie Parker are as much my heroes as Eddie van Halen.

That discomfort was really nothing to do with the size of gig (I've played many bigger ones both before and after) , everything to do with the stage size and monitoring: in Ozzy's set up when I came into it, for whatever reason, it was very difficult to hear what was going on, and pretty impossible to play and bounce off other people. Many other players would not find that a problem, they play the same thing every night: I don't like to play the same thing every night, and I did find it a problem. At the end of the day I'm a musician, and any musician has their strong points and weak points: being unable to play off the other musicians, I didn't feel I was going to do a particularly good job long term, or be happy doing it. This may have been just the icing on the cake as to why I did not stay, but it was very important to me. To a less interactive player that may not have mattered so much.

I'm very glad to have had the chance to do it.

[ELVIS]

Bernie Torme is full of shit in that self serving write up...:rolleyes:

He sounds like the algore of metal...

During my service in the Ozzy Osbourne Band, I took the initiative in suggesting that Mr. Bradley Gillis replace my superior talent."

[Terry]

Originally posted by ELVIS
Bernie Torme is full of shit in that self serving write up...:rolleyes:

He sounds like the algore of metal...

During my service in the Ozzy Osbourne Band, I took the initiative in suggesting that Mr. Bradley Gillis replace my superior talent."

I supppose there is some vailidity to his assertion that if the band had stopped and took a breather after RR died, that they may well have not wanted to continue on afterwards.

Makes me wonder about the rumors that RR was gonna quit the band after the tour, in terms of the speed with which they found replacements for him; like perhaps they already had feelers out there before the accident even happened, just in case RR said "fuck it" and bailed before the tour was over.

Torme is certainly correct that Gillis was the man for the job if what they were looking for was someone to reproduce the licks. Definitely better than Torme anyway by all accounts, although I haven't heard any boots of Tormes short time with the band.

[katie]

I got some Ozzy DVDs if anyone wants to trade -


After Hours 28/4/81 (TV) DVD

Randy Rhoads A Tribute To Randy Rhoads Jap TV (Fantastic footage!)(PRO) DVD

Speak of the Devil Irvine CA 26/9/82 (PRO) (Brad on Guitar) DVD

“Bark At The Moon” Salt Lake City, UT 18/3/8484 (PRO) DVD


My trade page -
http://hometown.aol.co.uk/musictrading5673/myhomepage/rock.html

Katie

[Seshmeister]

I'd like the "BATM Salt Lake City DVD", what would you like?

[ELVIS]

Originally posted by me

Mr. Crowley

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:elvis:

[Seshmeister]

Very cool unlike the most of the emo youtube bedroom shredders.

I've had a bit of an old Ozzy week on YouTube and I've become convinced again that Jake E Lee is one of the best guitarists of all time.

[katie]

Originally posted by Seshmeister
I'd like the "BATM Salt Lake City DVD", what would you like?

Send me your dvd/cd list and i will get back to you

Katie

[ELVIS]

Hey, let's jam to some bernie Torme...

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:elvis:

[Seshmeister]

Originally posted by katie
Send me your dvd/cd list and i will get back to you

Katie

I'm not a bootleg collector but I'll be able to get most things you might want. What would you like?

[katie]

Hi Seshmeister

Here are a few things a girl would really like to have in her collection.
I hope you can help me get some of them.

DVDRs

TED NUGENT - Wanted Ted Or Alive US TV Shows
TED NUGENT - Behind The Music VH1 DVD

PRODIGY - Anything 1996 onwards DVD

The Young Ones Series 1&2 DVDs (Must have working menus not ripped from a stand alone)

Armstrong & Miller - (Channel 4 Comedy sketch duo) DVDs

Get Some In - 1970’s UK TV Sitcom DVD

The Grimleys - Series 1&2 DVD


CDRs WANTED
Tom Petty - Let Me Up (1987) CD

Thunderclap Newman - Hollywood Dream CD

Steve Perry (Journey) - Street Talk
Steve Perry (Journey) - The Love Of Strange Medicine

Journey - Dream After Dream
Journey - Raised On Radio

Black Crowes - The Lost Crowes 2xCDs
Chris Robinson - This Magnificent Distance CD

Rush - Juvenile Delinquents - Cleveland, Ohio - AGORA BALLROOM 15/5/75

Cold Mountain - Movie Soundtrack (Feat Jack White) CD

MOTHERS FINEST - Anything by this US band
TEAZE - Anything by this US band

TALAS - Anything by this band

Bad Wizard - Free and Easy CD

Blackfoot Sue - The Best Of Blackfoot Sue CD


Melissa Etheridge - Brave and Crazy CD
Melissa Etheridge - Skin CD
Melissa Etheridge - The Road Less Traveled: Greatest Hits CD

Marilyn Manson - Lest We Forget (Best of) CD

OUTLAWS - Bring It Back Alive (live) CD

Glen Tipton/Cozy Powell/John Entwhisle - "Edge of the World" CD

PFM - Chocolate Kings CD

Grand Funk Railroad - "Grand Funk Lives" CD
Grand Funk Railroad - "What's Funk?" CD

MARSHALL TUCKER BAND
Marshall Tucker band 1LP with the song Can't You See
Greatest Hits

katie
x

[singerman]

Originally posted by dawiseone
M T V had a full concert broadcast of Randy and Ozzy in October of 1981 or 1982. It was a Halloween special I saw the whole thing. I also have 2 pictures of ozzy and Randy almost identical to the album cover of the tribute album. And 1 of Randy jamming with a pick in his teeth and one leg up on a stage moniter. Hes wearing a redish kinda purple leather jumpsuit. I took this picture of him he was only about 4 feet from me. Also got a pic from him with his teeth marks on it. I wonder if thaey are worth anything?

No official footage exists of ozzy and randy....the concert you mentioned was filmed with gillis on guitar not randy,the only footage out there is as follows.....'after hours' from new york (1981)..... an amateur live recording from new york paladium (1981) supporting motorhead......an amateur recording from 1982 diary tour (1982) all three recordings have about four or five songs on them. There is also a few news clips showing sounchecks and interviews.....the most recent footage to surface is a fantasic clip of randy doing a soundcheck standing on stage soloing away to himself.But there seem more videos of randy with quiet riot than with ozzy

[singerman]

check out all you need to know about randy on www.randyrhoads.tk its the best site for rhoads fans. as randys family are members and so are rudy sarzo, kelly garni and kevin dubrow. so if you want footage rare pics and the truth about randys life check it out!