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ULTRAMAN VH
10-25-2006, 08:41 AM
Halloween Ban?
by Tom Purcell
Posted Oct 24, 2006











Ban Halloween from public schools?

That's right. No costumes. No parades. No parties. It's happening all over America.

But it's autumn. There's a chill in the air. The leaves are a brilliant orange and gold. Kids are supposed to celebrate Halloween at school.

Supposed to?

Look, Americans embraced the Halloween tradition long ago. The Encyclopaedia Britannica says Celtic pagans believed that at the end of the harvest season, Oct. 31, ghosts and evil spirits returned to the Earth. The Celts wore masks to hide themselves from the spirits.

Yes?

Then in the seventh century, Pope Boniface IV established All Saints' Day, which eventually fell on Nov. 1. The evening before All Saints' Day became a holy, or hallowed, eve and thus Halloween.

Interesting, but what's your point?

Well, as the Irish immigrated to America they brought the Halloween tradition with them. Today it's totally secular and totally harmless.

But some Christians in our schools think it's extremely harmful -- they think it's a celebration of the dark side, and they forbid their children to participate in it.

They do?

Yes, and they're not alone. Deborah Caldwell at Belief.net says some Muslims consider Halloween forbidden because they believe it celebrates the devil, and also because it's a non-Muslim holiday.

Really?

Caldwell says religiously observant Jews also discourage Halloween celebrations as a result of the holiday's Christian and pagan origin.

But it's just a playful holiday when kids dress up in silly costumes!

That makes it even worse. Wiccans -- witches and warlocks -- feel the day marginalizes their religion, a religion that is recognized and protected under our laws, just as any organized religion is.

You've got to be kidding.

I'm not kidding. A few years ago a Seattle school banned Halloween in part because it was offensive to Wiccans. How'd you like it if public schools had events that mocked Christian saints?

Look, I understand your point. One of the great things about our country is that we go to incredible lengths to protect anybody who is part of any minority -- we go out of our way not to offend.

As we should.

But don't we sometimes go too far? Most kids and most families love Halloween. Heck, many adults love to dress up every year. I argue that it's a positive and uplifting holiday that public schools should continue to embrace.

For what reason?

Well, it's the one day people can escape themselves -- pretend to be someone or something else. They can let their creativity go wild to come up with clever costumes. Surely you're not against creativity.

No, but some children cannot afford to create costumes. We must watch out for them, too.

Then require everyone to make their costumes from scratch. That's what we did as kids. One year I was a mummy -- a roll of toilet paper did the job. One year I was a ghost -- an old sheet worked perfectly. I knew one girl who went as a marshmallow -- again, an old sheet did the job.

What's your point?

My point is that the day is a great break from the humdrum of schoolwork. It's a respite. It's a day to unleash one's creativity, have a little fun, step outside of yourself for a spell and share in a playful tradition.

No can do. We already have more lawsuits than we can manage.

How about just calling it Harvest Season then?

Nope.

How about we at least allow kids to trick-or-treat for some candy?

Too many trans fats. And the sugar will rot their teeth.

How about we whitewash every tradition and every holiday and make every school day as hopelessly bland and boring as every other so nobody can be offended?

That's a start.

And it's something to be spooked about.


Mr. Purcell is a nationally syndicated political humor columnist.

Nitro Express
10-25-2006, 06:02 PM
The public schools are going to hell in a handbasket. They get more money than ever but they are graduating dumber assholes than ever.

Christmas parties are gone, now Halloween.

The only thing good it you can fuck the teachers.

Ally_Kat
10-26-2006, 07:44 PM
Originally posted by ULTRAMAN VH
Today it's totally secular and totally harmless.


I need to address this line, as there is one group of children the article does not mention.

Children within the Jehovah's Witness faith.

We can disagree about religion til the sun expands and consumes us all -- but there is nothing more heartbreaking than having one of your kids come up to you saying they can't participate in the party because it is for and celebrating a holiday and their religion forbids them from partaking.

I get what the article is saying and I do agree for the most part. I think we should include all cultures form within the classroom and turn it into a learning opportunity (but that might be more so since I'm in NYC and there's a higher concentration of diversity within one classroom), but it is heartbreaking. Especially when the kids want to participate because what kid doesn't want to be in a party. But they also don't want to get in trouble with their parents. You can't blame the children and I know I wouldn't want to do something that would make a child uncomfortable.

blonddgirl777
10-26-2006, 08:39 PM
Originally posted by Ally_Kat
... there is nothing more heartbreaking than having one of your kids come up to you saying they can't participate in the party because it is for and celebrating a holiday and their religion forbids them from partaking...


Banning;
X-Mas,
Halloween,
Easter (bunnies and chocolate),
Etc...

Now does a group of people has to become bowring, deny and turn its back on old, established traditions because other groups cannot participate?

Who should decide who gets to change, in order to please everyone?

It is also hearthbreaking for children who can and want to participate, to be deprived of their own religious holidays/partys...

PumpedUpMidget
10-26-2006, 08:45 PM
Does this surprise anyone nowadays?

blonddgirl777
10-26-2006, 08:49 PM
Originally posted by PumpedUpMidget
Does this surprise anyone nowadays?

Not at all! :rolleyes:

theicecreamman
10-26-2006, 08:50 PM
This isn't that big of a shock. Public schools are a joke.

PumpedUpMidget
10-26-2006, 08:51 PM
Halloween when I was a kid was going out and getting pillowcases full of candy, not anymore......

blonddgirl777
10-26-2006, 09:07 PM
Originally posted by PumpedUpMidget
Halloween when I was a kid was going out and getting pillowcases full of candy, not anymore......

For the kids and people who like to wear costumes at partys (like myself)... it it still, nothing more than that...

I guess it is whatever people want it to be (offended by it or not)!

Nitro Express
10-26-2006, 09:21 PM
Originally posted by theicecreamman
This isn't that big of a shock. Public schools are a joke.

Probably one reason people shoot them up.

We are using a combination of home schooling and tutors. The kids get their socialization in the clubs they belong to. To be honest, a good public school would probably be better but good public schools are becoming a thing of the past.

Matt White
10-26-2006, 10:03 PM
It's rare that the school is the problem....

It's usually the parents

blonddgirl777
10-26-2006, 10:38 PM
Originally posted by Matt White
It's rare that the school is the problem....

It's usually the parents

True.

Parents play a major role in schools decision makings.
After all... it's their kids that are attending them...

At the same time, they are very fast on blaming "the schools", when something goes wrong...

Ally_Kat
10-27-2006, 07:46 PM
Originally posted by blonddgirl777


It is also hearthbreaking for children who can and want to participate, to be deprived of their own religious holidays/partys...

Yeah, but between test prep and trying to bring below-level kids on level, is a party (that will take up a good amount of time) for each religious holiday entirely necessary?

Which holidays do we include?
Which holidays do we not include?

There are ways to have lots of fun without having a party for each holiday that rolls around. And trust me, the kids aren't deprived from celebrating it at home.

smithcreww
04-19-2007, 12:07 AM
THATS BULLSHIT! WHATS NEXT? CAN'T SAY BLACK OR WHITE, NOT POLITICALLY CORRECT. SORRY NO CHRISTMAS, EASTER, THANKSGIVING OR ANY HOLIDAY FOR THAT MATTER.

PlexiBrown
04-19-2007, 12:24 AM
I give out cigarettes on Halloween.

Take 'Em
04-19-2007, 10:37 AM
Maybe on Halloween we can dress the kids in Friggin Burqas and the school districts won't have a problem:mad:

bueno bob
04-19-2007, 10:47 AM
It's all banned here. No seasonal celebration for the kids except for Valentine's Day, and it's MANDATORY that every kid in the class get a valentine card from EVERY other kid in the class. Boys for boys, girls for girls, etc. It's the only thing that's allowed.

Tons of fun!

Doesn't matter much to me, my kids are starting to get too fucking old for the Halloween shit anyway, so...I'm outta the woods...

PETE'S BROTHER
04-19-2007, 12:34 PM
Originally posted by PlexiBrown
I give out cigarettes on Halloween.

i ran out of candy one year and started handin' out quarters and decks of playin' cards. but, i kept my smokes for myself!