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Nickdfresh
11-01-2006, 09:14 PM
[Many of October's war dead on extended, multiple tours

By James Janega and Sara Olkon, Tribune (http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-0611010180nov01,1,3952808.story?coll=chi-newsnationworld-hed
) staff reporters. Tribune staff reporter Michelle Keller contributed to this report

November 1, 2006

Almost a third of the 102 U.S. troops killed in Iraq in October--the fourth deadliest month of the war--were on extended, second or third tours.

At home, that prolonged exposure to danger added heartache to the deaths and underscored national anxiety over a conflict more protracted than anyone expected.

Among the first to die in October was Army Staff Sgt. Jonathan Rojas, 27, of Hammond, Ind.

"He should have come home," Assistant Principal Cynthia Warner said of the 1997 Hammond High School graduate, killed two months after his tour was extended. "He should be home. He shouldn't be coming home the way he did."

A Tribune analysis of Department of Defense information and interviews with family members sketched a portrait of the war U.S. troops are fighting.

All but 10 of those killed in October were enlisted, their average age 24.

Of those who died, 58 were killed by mines and makeshift bombs, eight fell to sniper fire and 30 more died in skirmishes on missions. Another six died in accidents and non-hostile incidents.

As their bodies came home, there was no hiding the anguish, and no corner of the country was spared.

Early in October, Rojas' body returned to a grim hero's welcome in Hammond.

As his flag-draped coffin whisked by in a motorcade of family and officials, 300 students from his high school lined the street in front of the school. They had stayed late into the evening, wearing yellow and holding flags, side-by-side with parents and past graduates.

The silent gesture of respect and sadness was emblematic of how the nation has reacted to the mournful homecomings. With mixed feelings and heavy hearts, communities have honored each individual for service and sacrifice even as the deaths evoked frustration for others.

The Rojas family said a rosary together for nine days after their son's Oct. 13 funeral. Their home was brightly lit, and the yard was decorated with yellow ribbons and American flags.

The family moved to the U.S. from Mexico City in 1990, when Rojas a child. Not yet a citizen when he died, Rojas joined the Army in 2000, leaving a job in a Calumet City glass shop, his younger brother William said.

His unit, the 1st Battalion 17th Infantry Regiment of the 172nd Stryker Brigade Combat Team, was told in July that their time in Iraq had been extended. They shifted from Mosul to Baghdad the next month.

By Oct. 3, as they joined another Army unit in a fractious slum near Sadr City, hopes to comfort that neighborhood with an American presence were descending into chaos.

In a quagmire blend of dirt road and raw sewage, a Stryker vehicle in Rojas' unit stuck fast in the muck. Children throwing rocks from a nearby schoolyard pelted the soldiers. As Rojas peered around his protective hatch, a sniper killed him, his battalion commander said in an e-mail interview from Iraq.

"He just wanted to do something different with his life," William Rojas said of his brother. The family was proud of what he had done, he said.

Extention dulls family's hope

Across the country, the family of Army Sgt. Mario Nelson, also extended on his first tour in Iraq, spent frustrating weeks crowded into their Brooklyn, N.Y., two-flat, waiting for the burly sergeant's body to return. They had expected him to come home alive.

"The closer it came to him being home, the more hopeful we were that he'd make it," Dyna Nelson, 23, said of her brother.

Enthusiasm faded when he was told his tour was extended, she said. After a leave to visit his wife and daughter, he returned to Iraq, tired and resigned.

He survived an earlier rocket-propelled grenade attack. A second found him in the tumultuous town of Hit on Oct. 1.

In Montana, the family of Lance Cpl. Jeremy Scott Sandvick Monroe had grown familiar with the strain of war while the 20-year-old Marine served in Afghanistan.

"It's hard to go through," said his father, Monte, whose son was then assigned to Iraq. "Every day is a struggle."

After his son's death in Iraq's Anbar province Oct. 8, only the high school gymnasium in the town of Chinook was big enough to hold his Oct. 16 funeral.

The Marine's funeral procession crawled at 30 m.p.h. along U.S. Highway 2 to reach Hillside Cemetery in Dodson, 50 miles away. At the farm town of Harlem, 50 residents stood out in the bitter cold, waving American flags and saluting the passing mourners.

At the Fort Belknap Indian Reservation, about 150 residents came out in a show of respect. A few came on horseback, in full dress regalia. One horse had no rider, Chinook Assembly of God Pastor Mike Bradley said, a traditional honor for a fallen warrior.

Mourners at the cemetery shivered as Marines fired the crisp volleys of a 21-gun salute. A bugler played taps, and dirt was pushed into a grave Sandvick Monroe's relatives and friends had dug with shovels and picks.

Grief also found the hometown of Army Sgt. Jonathan E. Lootens, in farm country 30 miles outside Rochester, N.Y. The 25-year-old died Oct. 15 in Kirkuk, where a roadside bomb exploded beside him.

He had served in Afghanistan and convinced his family the military was right for him. It took time. Andrea Ralyea told her brother it was crazy. He said he had to do it.

By any measure, Ralyea said, his youth had been chaotic, tinged with drugs and alcohol and tainted when he dropped out of school at 16. The Army gave him purpose and pride. It sent him to Afghanistan, where he saw combat, and stationed him in Schofield Barracks in Hawaii, where his family celebrated his return in 2004.

In August, Lootens, 25, shipped out again, this time for Iraq.

"It seemed like the two tours were close together," Ralyea said, "but he re-enlisted in Afghanistan. It's what he wanted to do."

The day after Lootens' funeral, Army Spc. Daniel W. Winegeart was buried in a driving rain in Texas. He was killed while on his third tour in Iraq.

Mourners line roadways

In the small country cemetery, mourners couldn't avoid the mud. His stepmother, Diane Winegeart, said they had to wade in it.

The 23-year-old soldier had loved the mud. Growing up in Kountze, he would ride through it with friends on all-terrain vehicles, spray it off his back wheels and come home covered in it, grinning.

Many at Houston's George Bush Intercontinental Airport came to a halt as an honor guard carried his casket to a hearse.

A police escort and 42 motorcycle riders from the Patriot Guard escorted his body and family to his hometown. As they neared Dayton, 49 miles from Kountze, people lined darkened roads and freeways. Fire trucks ran their lights. Children and senior citizens held banners, flags and candles.

In Kountze, supporters crowded the four-lane highway until only one lane was open. A local Girl Scout troop put out flags.

It also rained in North Carolina as Lance Cpl. Nathan R. Elrod, 20, was brought back to tiny Rockwell last Friday.

Killed Oct. 21 with three other Marines in Anbar province, he was welcomed home by aging veterans standing in the rain outside AMVETS Post 845, pots of flowers and American flags in their hands.

"He was one of my biggest idols all through school," said David Benfield, 17, who was at the AMVETS post after Elrod's funeral Sunday and still wants to follow him into the military.

Elrod's girlfriend also had joined the Marines, Benfield said, and was given a leave from boot camp to attend his funeral.

The Chicago area learned of a death in Iraq more than once in the last month. Along with Rojas, Marine Lance Cpl. Edwardo Lopez Jr., 21, of Aurora died in Iraq after a previous posting in Afghanistan.

Three soldiers killed Oct. 30 in Iraq remained unidentified by the military late Tuesday.

The most recent local death confirmed by the Defense Department is Marine Reserve Sgt. Thomas Gilbert, 24, of Alpha Company, 1st Battalion, 24th Marines.

He died Oct. 25 amid hostile action in Anbar province. His Downers Grove family learned of his death the same afternoon.

As school let out nearby, three uniformed Marines approached his mother's house. Framed in the open doorway of her garage, the woman brought her hands to her face and wept as stunned neighbors watched.

His funeral will be held Thursday in Downers Grove in the Gloria Dei Lutheran Church, 4501 Main St.

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jjanega@tribune.com

solkon@tribune.com

Copyright © 2006, Chicago Tribune

Nickdfresh
11-01-2006, 09:19 PM
Oh look! One of those "Mexican illegal-immigrants" took our jobs!

"The family moved to the U.S. from Mexico City in 1990, when Rojas a child. Not yet a citizen when he died, Rojas joined the Army in 2000, leaving a job in a Calumet City glass shop, his younger brother William said."

FORD
11-01-2006, 11:05 PM
Originally posted by Nickdfresh
Oh look! One of those "Mexican illegal-immigrants" took our jobs!

"The family moved to the U.S. from Mexico City in 1990, when Rojas a child. Not yet a citizen when he died, Rojas joined the Army in 2000, leaving a job in a Calumet City glass shop, his younger brother William said."

Chimpy probably promised him a shortcut to citizenship when he came home, as has been the recruitment pitch to many young Hispanic men. Now he's a citizen of some other plane of existence. And Chimpy will probably deport his family :(

Phil theStalker
11-01-2006, 11:06 PM
They say...

UR judged by da cuntpany u keep.

uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh

true dat, bb


:spank:

Nickdfresh
11-02-2006, 02:05 PM
BTW, when do you faggots talking shit about Kerry's war record enlist?

4"hardon4queers?

Come on pussycon, what's your excuse?

How many of you have won Purple Hearts is you did serve?

4moreyears
11-02-2006, 02:07 PM
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DrMaddVibe
11-02-2006, 02:07 PM
HA!!!

The PX ran out because JOhnKErry got there before me!


The Kerry medals mystery
By Jeff Jacoby | April 29, 2004

IF JOHN KERRY hadn't already clinched the Democratic presidential nomination, his medals meltdown on "Good Morning America" this week would have sunk his campaign. Much as Howard Dean's crazed "I Have A Scream" speech jolted voters into wondering whether someone so hotheaded should be allowed anywhere near the nuclear trigger, Kerry's abusive tirade on ABC gave millions of viewers a foretaste of how far presidential discourse will sink if Kerry becomes president.


Not one voter in 100 would vote against Kerry for trashing his Vietnam War medals when he was 27 years old. What he did with his combat decorations in 1971 has no bearing on whether he is fit to be president today. That long-ago episode is an issue today only because Kerry's versions of it have changed so many times and because it so perfectly typifies his lifelong habit of saying one thing today and something else tomorrow -- and then denying having done so.

So what does Kerry say he did with those medals? As with so many of his shifts and flip-flops, it's all on the record.

Take 1:

Q. Did Kerry throw his combat decorations away in an antiwar protest 33 years ago?

A. Yes. As The Boston Globe reported on April 24, 1971, "John Kerry . . . said before he threw his medals over the fence: `I'm not doing this for any violent reasons, but for peace and justice, and to try to make this country wake up once and for all.' "

Take 2:

Q. Did Kerry throw his decorations away 33 years ago?

A. Yes. In a Nov. 6, 1971, interview with WRC-TV, he recalled that the protesters had decided to "renounce the symbols which this country gives . . . the medals themselves." When the interviewer asked, "How many did you give back, John?" he answered: "I gave back, I can't remember, six, seven, eight, nine." The interviewer noted that Kerry had won the Bronze and Silver Stars and three Purple Hearts. Kerry: "Well, and above that, I gave back my others."

Take 3:

Q. Did Kerry throw his decorations away 33 years ago?

A. No. In 1984, running for the Senate against a World War II Air Force veteran, he claimed he had refused to do so. "After showing a reporter his medals and ribbons on display in his Back Bay apartment," The Boston Globe reported on Oct. 15, 1984, Kerry "said he had disagreed with other protest leaders on throwing away medals." The medals he was seen tossing, Kerry added, were those of a "veteran from Lincoln [Mass.], at his request."

Take 4:

Q. Did Kerry throw his decorations away 33 years ago?

A. Medals, no; ribbons, yes. During his 1996 reelection campaign, he told the Globe that he only threw the ribbons pinned to his uniform. "Asked why he didn't bring his own medals to throw since it was planned weeks in advance," the Globe reported on Oct. 6, 1996, "Kerry said it was because he didn't have time to go home [to New York] and get them." The medals he was seen tossing, he claimed, belonged to two other veterans -- the one from Lincoln and one from New York. "Kerry says he can't remember their names."

The variations don't end there. For example, his explanation that he "didn't have time to go home and get" the medals -- i.e., he would have trashed them if he could have -- is sharply at odds with his earlier "explanation" to the Boston Herald: "They're my medals. I can do goddam what I want with them."

On Monday's TV show, after being shown the tape of his younger self claiming to have thrown "six, seven, eight, nine" medals onto the trash heap, Kerry heatedly insisted that he had pitched only his ribbons, not his medals. Then he insisted even more heatedly that "ribbons, medals were absolutely interchangeable. . . . there was no distinction . . . I think, to this day, there's no distinction between the two."

Well, if ribbons and medals are identical, then by his own admission he did throw away his medals. So why does he angrily maintain that he didn't?

Kerry could acknowledge that his various statements on the subject are inconsistent. He could apologize for his deception. He could even resort to the Bush Sidestep: "When I was young, I did a lot of foolish things." Instead he attacks the president over his National Guard service -- an assault he has now escalated on the campaign trail -- and accuses ABC of "doing the bidding of the Republican National Committee."

But the questions won't go away just because Kerry snarls at the questioners. By itself, the medals incident matters hardly at all. But as a surrogate for all the issues on which Kerry has ducked and dissembled, it matters very much.

"The candidate who starts each morning by having to explain himself is a goner," the Village Voice remarked in an editorial this week. The Village Voice! If that's what they're saying on the far left, what must be going through the minds of the mainstream?

Jeff Jacoby's e-mail address is jacoby@globe.com.

© Copyright 2004 Globe Newspaper Company.

http://www.boston.com/news/globe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2004/04/29/the_kerry_medals_mystery/

4moreyears
11-02-2006, 02:09 PM
Originally posted by Nickdfresh
BTW, when do you faggots talking shit about Kerry's war record enlist?

4"hardon4queers?

Come on pussycon, what's your excuse?

How many of you have won Purple Hearts is you did serve?

After you do. Anyone can come here and claim to be a vet.

Nickdfresh
11-02-2006, 02:10 PM
Why did you bother? All you did was sit on your ass and listen to the radio.

Then you act like some bad-ass Madd skills ninja. You were a REMF!!...

I mean, was your MOS in anyway near as dangerous as being a Swiftboat captain?

BTW, no one on Kerry's crew said he did what he said he did, not one of them questioned him. Not one!

DrMaddVibe
11-02-2006, 02:13 PM
LOL!!!

You're fucking killing me nikki!

You don't know shit about what I did in the Army! Don't pretend you do!

DrMaddVibe
11-02-2006, 02:14 PM
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DrMaddVibe
11-02-2006, 02:18 PM
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Nickdfresh
11-02-2006, 02:25 PM
Originally posted by DrMaddVibe
LOL!!!

You're fucking killing me nikki!

You don't know shit about what I did in the Army! Don't pretend you do!

You basically told me what you did when you bitched and whined after I fucking own3d you like the foolish little hypocrite bitch you are!

You said exactly that, bragging about your "security clearance" and shit...

Oooooooh!!!! I'm impressed! I used to laugh at self-important chumps like you. Did you want a medal for that tough gay, er, guy?

What War did you serve in badass "in the field" boy?

LMFAOOL!:D

DrMaddVibe
11-02-2006, 02:45 PM
You've NEVER owned me Jesterstar wannabe!

Nickdfresh
11-02-2006, 03:22 PM
Originally posted by 4moreyears
After you do. Anyone can come here and claim to be a vet.

Well princess, for all their failings, at least Vibe and BBB know I was military due to my vernacular alone, as I know they were.

And I never made that big of a deal about it until others did.

Maybe when you graduate from high school, or get your GED, you can be a hero and join too?

Nickdfresh
11-02-2006, 03:23 PM
Oh AssVibe, when do I not own you?

4moreyears
11-02-2006, 05:43 PM
Originally posted by Nickdfresh
Well princess, for all their failings, at least Vibe and BBB know I was military due to my vernacular alone, as I know they were.

And I never made that big of a deal about it until others did.

Maybe when you graduate from high school, or get your GED, you can be a hero and join too?

You are the only person here who thinks that the only people that are allowed to have an opinion are those who served. Anytime someone says anything you are pounding your chest telling everyone you are military and a vet and that if you want to discuss something enlist. Well if you served thank you for your service and I respect that. But Fuck you on your comments about serve than speak. this is a FREE country, that is what you fought for!!!

Nickdfresh
11-02-2006, 10:57 PM
Originally posted by 4moreyears
You are the only person here who thinks that the only people that are allowed to have an opinion are those who served. Anytime someone says anything you are pounding your chest telling everyone you are military and a vet and that if you want to discuss something enlist. Well if you served thank you for your service and I respect that. But Fuck you on your comments about serve than speak. this is a FREE country, that is what you fought for!!!

What I'm saying is show some fucking respect. The whole "Kerry stabbed his ass to get a purple heart" Swiftboat slander is such fabricated bullshit, it's not even funny.

You want to discuss the war, that's fine. But learn a little about it and stop trying to sound like a super-tough little macho jackoff cowboy militarist when it comes to this war...

Thank you for respecting my service BTW, and fuck you too...

DEMON CUNT
11-03-2006, 01:10 AM
Speaking of military service...

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DrMaddVibe
11-03-2006, 07:26 AM
Originally posted by Nickdfresh
What I'm saying is show some fucking respect. The whole "Kerry stabbed his ass to get a purple heart" Swiftboat slander is such fabricated bullshit, it's not even funny.

You want to discuss the war, that's fine. But learn a little about it and stop trying to sound like a super-tough little macho jackoff cowboy militarist when it comes to this war...

Thank you for respecting my service BTW, and fuck you too...


RESPECT????

Don't even try to defend a scumbag elitist like Kerry with the blanket of respect!

Did he respect his fellow soldiers?

Did he respect his oath as an officer?

Did he respect the honor of his medals when he threw them in the trash?

Did he respect our soldiers now by cracking jokes?

The whole excuse of you can't talk unless you've served or that those that support Bush have to enlist is a line of bullshit.

Its a volunteer Armed Forces. I'd prefer to keep it that way too. Those that are signing up know exactly what they're in for. Just like they did in every other war when they lined up at recruiter stations.

Stop dishonoring those serving and those that did with this weak putdown.

Nickdfresh
11-03-2006, 09:14 AM
Originally posted by DrMaddVibe
RESPECT????

Don't even try to defend a scumbag elitist like Kerry with the blanket of respect!

Did he respect his fellow soldiers?

Did he respect his oath as an officer?

Did he respect the honor of his medals when he threw them in the trash?

LOL You promote and defend scumbag elitists like Bush and congress daily here!

YES! He was protesting a War that was immoral and killing America's best and brightest. Was the Pentagon and the White House "respecting" the troops by perpetrating and continuing a War that they'd admitted knowing they could not win because our "allies" there were corrupt and unpopular whores unable to form any sort of long term society or gov't (The Pentagon Papers). Yet they just callously continued the fighting, and dismissed the value of the lives of US troops, and those of the Vietnamese, as of lessor importance than maintaining a "face" to save.

His comments and actions portrayed by the Swiftboat moral cowards are entirely out of context, as is everything else here.


Did he respect our soldiers now by cracking jokes?

His joke was clearly aimed at Bush, he misspoke!


The whole excuse of you can't talk unless you've served or that those that support Bush have to enlist is a line of bullshit.

Those that haven't served STARTED THIS WAR exactly BECAUSE THEY DO NOT RESPECT THE LIVES OF US TROOPS!! They're just another commodity whose only use is to protect American oil-rights, nothing else!! If they want to wrap themselves in the American flag and throw the shit of "cut and run" and "terrorist sympathizer" lies, then I'm going to damn well point out that their empty rhetoric is supported on by lies and ignorance of the simpleton chickenhawk!

And I have every right to call out people's ignorant posts that clearly do not know WTF they are talking about. The vast majority of the elected gov't did not serve, and pressured heavily to start this War, why do you think it is such a total unending clusterfuck?


Its a volunteer Armed Forces. I'd prefer to keep it that way too. Those that are signing up know exactly what they're in for. Just like they did in every other war when they lined up at recruiter stations.

Yeah, there we go! (Translation of typical Neo Con):

"You volunteered bitches! You make ALL OF THE SACRIFICES FOR OUR CRUSADE!! Your lives mean nothing. I'm going to sit my fat well-fed ass in my SUV/4WD pick-up truck I don't really need, buy groceries with no rationing, drink my cold beer, pay less taxes (in a time of 'total War') and otherwise feel no effects of the 'War on Terr-a' as I go about my consumerist lifestyle.

But oh! I'll will make the sacrifice of defacing my SUV by putting a big-ass yellow ribbon on it! While your lives are being freely pissed away in an invasion that had nothing to do with 9/11!! And with a plan that isn't working no less."

You were speaking of respect?


Stop dishonoring those serving and those that did with this weak putdown.

LMFAO!!:D Are you really this dumb? See above...

You dishonor the troops by lacking any real debate as to how to either get them out of Iraq, or making more troops so we can completely overwhelm the Sunni-led insurgency and "win," and consolidate the installation of our Shia death squad & militia allied gov't, so they can attain their glorious (Iranian style) democracy.

BTW, the Shias are increasingly fighting us since we hinder their lust for all-out civil war..

DrMaddVibe
11-03-2006, 09:33 AM
When you enlisted you wanted to go to Kuwait?

DrMaddVibe
11-03-2006, 09:35 AM
As far as debating how to get out of there...that's not what this thread is about.

Its about you stepping up on a soapbox and labeling people with broad strokes.

Nickdfresh
11-03-2006, 09:53 AM
Originally posted by DrMaddVibe
When you enlisted you wanted to go to Kuwait?

Kuwait was invaded. And you'll notice, we didn't try to conquer Iraq and get tied down into an occupation where I was told to serve multiple tours...


Originally posted by DrMaddVibe
As far as debating how to get out of there...that's not what this thread is about.

Its about you stepping up on a soapbox and labeling people with broad strokes.

Yeah, um, pot tea kettle pookey...