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ULTRAMAN VH
11-02-2006, 08:07 AM
What if We're to Blame?
Public Opinion and Muddled Policies

By Robert J. Samuelson
Wednesday, November 1, 2006; Page A21

"Towering over Presidents and [Congress] . . . public opinion stands out, in the United States, as the great source of power, the master of servants who tremble before it."

-- James Bryce, "The American Commonwealth," 1888


The problem of American democracy is (of course) democracy. We are on the cusp of an election that commentators have already imbued with vast significance if Democrats recapture part or all of Congress -- or if they don't. But here's something that no one's saying: Regardless of who wins, it won't make much difference for most of our pressing problems. We won't have a major new budget policy, energy policy or immigration policy. The election might not even much affect the Iraq war.

In many ways, the election doesn't matter, and all the hoopla is an exercise in delusional hype. We could blame the prospect of divided government or a bipartisan leadership vacuum; both might promote paralysis. But the deeper cause is public opinion. As Bryce saw, our politicians are slaves to public opinion. Superficially, this should be reassuring. Democracy is working, because public attitudes remain the dominant influence -- not "big money" or "special interests," as many believe.

But it is not reassuring. The trouble is that public opinion is often ignorant, confused and contradictory; and so the policies it produces are often ignorant, confused and contradictory -- which means they're ineffective. The Catch-22 of American democracy is this: A government that mirrors public opinion offends public opinion by failing to do what it promises. People then conclude that the system has "failed."

The election is rightly seen as a referendum on the war. In late 2003, 67 percent of Americans thought that President Bush's invasion was the "right decision," reports the Pew Research Center; only 26 percent thought it the "wrong decision." Now views are split, 43 percent "right" and 47 percent "wrong." But it's public opinion, not the election outcome, that matters for policy. Indeed, it explains why the Democrats lack a unified position on Iraq.

Suppose that the Democrats retook Congress but that the situation in Iraq -- and public opinion -- improved. Then, Democrats would look foolish if they'd promoted a quick withdrawal. Now suppose that the Republicans kept control of Congress and that the situation in Iraq -- and public opinion -- worsened. Then, the pressure on Bush from Republicans to pull back would intensify. Either way, public opinion governs.

Aside from being fickle, public opinion also marches in many directions at once.

Americans favor balanced budgets. But in 66 years of surveys, taxpayers have never said their income taxes were too low, reports Karlyn Bowman of the American Enterprise Institute. A Gallup poll in April found that 48 percent thought their taxes too high and only 2 percent too low. Americans also think government spending is hugely wasteful; 61 percent said so in a 2004 poll by the University of Michigan. But locating that waste is hard. A recent Fox News poll found that only 19 percent favor cuts in Social Security, 21 percent in health care, 19 percent in education and 25 percent for the military.

Or consider energy. Americans crave cheap gasoline. Unfortunately, that increases our oil demand -- which conflicts with our desire to reduce oil imports. Or immigration. A Pew Research Center survey in March said that 52 percent of Americans think immigrants are "a burden because they take jobs and housing." But only 27 percent would require illegal immigrants to go home, and only 40 percent would reduce legal immigration.

Facing such inconsistencies, how can government make sensible policy? Not easily.

Occasionally presidents and congresses get a free pass -- some crisis or event fosters national unity. Bush had such a moment after Sept. 11; Lyndon Johnson had one after John F. Kennedy's assassination; Franklin Roosevelt had one in his first 100 days. Otherwise, politicians can deal with public opinion in three ways: Ignore it, change it or pander to it. Politicians who choose the first often become ex-politicians. The second is hard; among recent presidents, Ronald Reagan did it best. The easiest course is to pander.

Bush and the Republican Congress happily cut taxes, enacted the Medicare drug benefit and praised deficit reduction. Anyone who thinks the Democrats set a higher standard should read "A New Direction for America," the manifesto issued by House Democratic leader Nancy Pelosi. It proposes much new spending (bigger drug benefits, Pell grants and veterans benefits), new tax breaks, balanced budgets and no specific new taxes.

It also promises energy "independence" by 2020 -- a popular but (unfortunately) impossible goal. We import 12.5 million barrels of oil a day, 60 percent of our use. No conceivable combination of new fuels and conservation could offset that by 2020. Unsurprisingly, House Republicans also plug energy "independence."

Tell people what they want to hear, regardless of how inaccurate, shortsighted or stupid it might be. That's the bipartisan instinct. In this election, the Republicans deserve to lose, and the Democrats don't deserve to win. Yes, I am a longtime believer in divided government, because it may check each party's worst excesses. But don't expect fundamental changes if Democrats reclaim some power.

The enduring significance of public opinion (see Bryce, above) reflects both national optimism and suspicion of power. Believing that all problems can be "solved" -- even if goals are inconsistent -- we blame government for not accomplishing the impossible. We won't acknowledge choices, contradictions, unpalatable facts. So, many problems persist for years. Throwing the bums out is a venerable tradition, but what if the ultimate bums are us?

Ellyllions
11-02-2006, 08:31 AM
Well, if the Constitution says that we're in control of our government then if we're not happy with how it's functioning...we're most CERTAINLY to blame.

We all want someone else to clean up our messes. We all look for an angle that takes personal responsibility out of our hands and I honestly think that this was started by the Criminal Justice system and the Judicial branch of our government.

The other spectrum of how we've fucked it up is that we've elected people based on social status as opposed to people with substance. If you've got money you're considered to be smarter than the rest such as Ross Perot's attempt to run some time back. I even found myself thinking...well....if he can successfully run a business.

How many people actually believe that being financially successful means an ability to lead? What we miss in that is that financially successful people will do whatever they need to to stay wealthy. Even if those actions appear immoral or corrupt to others. We elect wealthy people and then are *gasp* suprised that they did something shady to gain wealth? Are we really that stupid?

Yep.

Coyote
11-02-2006, 08:46 AM
Originally posted by Ellyllions
Well, if the Constitution says that we're in control of our government then if we're not happy with how it's functioning...we're most CERTAINLY to blame.

We all want someone else to clean up our messes. We all look for an angle that takes personal responsibility out of our hands and I honestly think that this was started by the Criminal Justice system and the Judicial branch of our government.

And as a result, you've pretty much given up most of your rights/freedoms. Patriot Act, anyone?



The other spectrum of how we've fucked it up is that we've elected people based on social status as opposed to people with substance. If you've got money you're considered to be smarter than the rest such as Ross Perot's attempt to run some time back. I even found myself thinking...well....if he can successfully run a business.

How many people actually believe that being financially successful means an ability to lead? What we miss in that is that financially successful people will do whatever they need to to stay wealthy. Even if those actions appear immoral or corrupt to others. We elect wealthy people and then are *gasp* suprised that they did something shady to gain wealth? Are we really that stupid?

Yep.

For a while I thought your government was a company, due to the biggest lobbyists coming from oil, arms-tech, etc.

And given that some people would voluntarily allow themselves to be tagged, er, chipped, under the (false?) pretense of "security"... Maybe you are...

Ellyllions
11-02-2006, 08:57 AM
Patriot Act?
I really don't see how that's ever been an infringements on our rights or freedoms. Since it was enacted we haven't had one incident where this was even brought into a court other than our Congress arguing over it. On a personal level, it hasn't changed my life at all. Day-to-day is the same.

Phil theStalker
11-02-2006, 09:00 AM
Originally posted by Ellyllions
Well, if the Constitution says that we're in control of our government then if we're not happy with how it's functioning...we're most CERTAINLY to blame.

We all want someone else to clean up our messes. We all look for an angle that takes personal responsibility out of our hands and I honestly think that this was started by the Criminal Justice system and the Judicial branch of our government.

The other spectrum of how we've fucked it up is that we've elected people based on social status as opposed to people with substance. If you've got money you're considered to be smarter than the rest such as Ross Perot's attempt to run some time back. I even found myself thinking...well....if he can successfully run a business.

How many people actually believe that being financially successful means an ability to lead? What we miss in that is that financially successful people will do whatever they need to to stay wealthy. Even if those actions appear immoral or corrupt to others. We elect wealthy people and then are *gasp* suprised that they did something shady to gain wealth? Are we really that stupid?

Yep.
Aff yer not mad like Ellyilions then there's somehing WRONG!


:spank:

Coyote
11-02-2006, 09:14 AM
Originally posted by Ellyllions
Patriot Act?
I really don't see how that's ever been an infringements on our rights or freedoms. Since it was enacted we haven't had one incident where this was even brought into a court other than our Congress arguing over it. On a personal level, it hasn't changed my life at all. Day-to-day is the same.

Long term, Elly, long term...

Anything that smacks of "for the freedom and security of...", regardless of topic or country, activates my bullshit-radar these days.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USA_PATRIOT_Act,_Title_II#Commentary

Ellyllions
11-02-2006, 09:22 AM
Well, that Patriot Act pales in comparison to the number of Statutes on the books.

We boast of being the most free nation on the planet when we actually have more laws on the books than any other country on the globe.

When freedom is spoken about it really means the ability to gain wealth and have stuff. Not freedom to do whatever whenever and whereever....'cause that just ain't so.

LoungeMachine
11-02-2006, 10:26 AM
The Morning Op-Ed From UltraVag.......

Where he'll never bother to post........

Mindless fuck.

DrMaddVibe
11-02-2006, 10:31 AM
Originally posted by LoungeMachine
The Morning Op-Ed From UltraVag.......

Where he'll never bother to post........

Mindless fuck.

Why bother to post?

People were discussing the topic and your typical "hit and run" mentality provides NOTHING to the discussion.

Nobody is FORCING YOU to post.

If you don't like the subject...why not dump it!

Prove to the entire board what a self-serving "god" acts like!

LoungeMachine
11-02-2006, 10:33 AM
Originally posted by DrMaddVibe
Why bother to post?




Because I post when and where I like.

And I call out SPAM when I see it.

And If it calls for dumping, I will.

I certainly won't need your permission.

But thanks for paying attention.

Ding!

ULTRAMAN VH
11-02-2006, 11:28 AM
Originally posted by Ellyllions
Well, that Patriot Act pales in comparison to the number of Statutes on the books.

We boast of being the most free nation on the planet when we actually have more laws on the books than any other country on the globe.

When freedom is spoken about it really means the ability to gain wealth and have stuff. Not freedom to do whatever whenever and whereever....'cause that just ain't so.

Agreed, we as a society have become so politically correct that freedom of speech is in full jeopardy. As far the Patriot Act goes, I have mixed feelings on it. I understand how important serveillance is for the war on terror, but the idea that the Government can scoop up anyone in the still of the night without a warrant is a scary thought. The Patriot Act could be the first step into totalitarianism.

ULTRAMAN VH
11-02-2006, 11:39 AM
Originally posted by LoungeMachine
Because I post when and where I like.

And I call out SPAM when I see it.

And If it calls for dumping, I will.

I certainly won't need your permission.

But thanks for paying attention.

Ding!

Careful everyone!!!!! The Mighty Deity has spoken. GOODMORNING ADOLF.

LoungeMachine
11-02-2006, 11:43 AM
Originally posted by ULTRAMAN VH
Agreed, we as a society have become so politically correct that freedom of speech is in full jeopardy. As far the Patriot Act goes, I have mixed feelings on it. I understand how important serveillance is for the war on terror, but the idea that the Government can scoop up anyone in the still of the night without a warrant is a scary thought. The Patriot Act could be the first step into totalitarianism.


See, you can do it.

When told to, you can actually post in your own thread and speak on a topic other than the Liberal Mods you are so jealous of....

Good Boy!

Coyote
11-02-2006, 12:01 PM
Originally posted by ULTRAMAN VH
Agreed, we as a society have become so politically correct that freedom of speech is in full jeopardy. As far the Patriot Act goes, I have mixed feelings on it. I understand how important serveillance is for the war on terror, but the idea that the Government can scoop up anyone in the still of the night without a warrant is a scary thought. The Patriot Act could be the first step into totalitarianism.

That's what I meant to write...

4moreyears
11-02-2006, 12:09 PM
Originally posted by DrMaddVibe
Why bother to post?

People were discussing the topic and your typical "hit and run" mentality provides NOTHING to the discussion.

Nobody is FORCING YOU to post.

If you don't like the subject...why not dump it!

Prove to the entire board what a self-serving "god" acts like!

That is Nicks job to the the self serving front line god.

Nickdfresh
11-02-2006, 12:25 PM
Originally posted by 4moreyears
That is Nicks job to the the self serving front line god.

You're Goddamned, or Nickdamned, right!! :mad:

ODShowtime
11-02-2006, 08:56 PM
DrMaddVibe:

Prove to the entire board what a self-serving "god" acts like!

ULTRAMAN VH:

Careful everyone!!!!! The Mighty Deity has spoken. GOODMORNING ADOLF.

4moreyears:

That is Nicks job to the the self serving front line god.



I love how the repubs gets confused and think anyone with authority is god! :D