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LoungeMachine
11-10-2006, 11:14 AM
A Come-to-Daddy Moment


By MAUREEN DOWD

Published: November 9, 2006

Poppy Bush and James Baker gave Sonny the presidency to play with and he broke it. So now they’re taking it back.

Maureen Dowd.


They are dragging W. away from those reckless older guys who have been such a bad influence and getting him some new minders who are a lot more practical.

In a scene that might be called “Murder on the Oval Express,” Rummy turned up dead with so many knives in him that it’s impossible to say who actually finished off the man billed as Washington’s most skilled infighter. (Poppy? Scowcroft? Baker? Laura? Condi? The Silver Fox? Retired generals? Serving generals? Future generals? Troops returning to Iraq for the umpteenth time without a decent strategy? Democrats? Republicans? Joe Lieberman?)

The defense chief got hung out to dry before Saddam got hung. The president and Karl Rove, underestimating the public’s hunger for change or overestimating the loyalty of a fed-up base, did not ice Rummy in time to save the Senate from teetering Democratic. But once Sonny managed to heedlessly dynamite the Republican majority — as well as the Middle East, the Atlantic alliance and the U.S. Army — then Bush Inc., the family firm that snatched the presidency for W. in 2000, had to step in. Two trusted members of the Bush 41 war council, Mr. Baker and Robert Gates, have been dispatched to discipline the delinquent juvenile and extricate him from the mother of all messes.

Mr. Gates, already on Mr. Baker’s “How Do We Get Sonny Out of Deep Doo Doo in Iraq?” study group, left his job protecting 41’s papers at Texas A&M to return to Washington and pry the fingers of Poppy’s old nemesis, Rummy, off the Pentagon.

“They had to bring in someone from the old gang,” said someone from the old gang. “That has to make Junior uneasy. With Bob, the door is opened again to 41 and Baker and Brent.”

W. had no choice but to make an Oedipal U-turn. He couldn’t let Nancy Pelosi subpoena the cranky Rummy for hearings on Iraq. “He’s not exactly Mr. Charming or Mr. Truthful, and he’d be on TV saying something stupid,” said a Bush 41 official. “Bob can just go up to the Hill and say: ‘I don’t know. I wasn’t there when that happened.’ ”

Bob Gates, his friends say, had been worried about the belligerent, arrogant, ideological style of Rummy & Cheney from the start. He fretted at the way W.’s so-called foreign policy “dream team” — including his old staffer and fellow Soviet expert Condi — made it up as they went along, even though that had been their complaint about the Clinton foreign policy team. A realpolitik advocate like his mentor, General Scowcroft, he was critical of a linear, moralizing style that disdained nuance, demoted diplomacy and inflated villains. In 2004, he publicly questioned the administration’s approach to Iran.

While Vice went off to a corner to lick his wounds, W. was forced to do his best imitation of his dad yesterday, talking about “bipartisan outreach,” “people have spoken,” blah-blah-blah — after he’d been out on the trail saying that electing Democrats would mean that “the terrorists win and America loses.”

“I share a large part of the responsibility” for the “thumpin’ ” of Republicans, he told reporters. Actually, he gets full responsibility.

W. has stopped talking about democracy as a standard of success in Iraq; yesterday, he said that Iraq had to “govern itself, sustain itself and defend itself.”

He was asked if his surprise at the election results showed he was out of touch with Americans. “I thought when it was all said and done,” he replied, “the American people would understand the importance of taxes and the importance of security.”

So it was just that the American people were too dumb to understand? W. also managed to bash Vietnam vets, saying that this war isn’t similar because there’s a volunteer army, so “the troops understand the consequences of Iraq in the global war on terror.” Is that why W. stayed out of Vietnam? Because he understood it?

An ashen Rummy was also condescending during his uncomfortable tableau with W. and Bob Gates in the Oval Office, implying that he was dumped because Americans just didn’t “comprehend” what was going on in Iraq. Actually, Rummy, we get it. You don’t get it.

“Baker’s no fool,” a Bush 41 official said. “He wasn’t going to go out there with a plan for Iraq and have Rummy shoot it down. He wanted a receptive audience. Everyone had to be on the same page before the plan is unveiled.”

They don’t call him the Velvet Hammer for nothing. R.I.P., Rummy.

Hardrock69
11-10-2006, 12:17 PM
Velvet Hammer my ass....more like old rusty hammer.

the monkey broke his presidency.

Stoopid fuck.

He needs to be removed from office.

The sooner the better.

LoungeMachine
11-10-2006, 01:51 PM
With all due respect to The Office.......

This whole presidency, from the recruitment of the candidate on, has been one of sheer audacity.

It's really shattered the mystique in my eyes of the Office once held by the likes of Jefferson, Lincoln, Roosevelt, Truman, and Kennedy.

This silver spoon brat, drunk driving cokehead, draft dodging fuck up, with zero business sense, foreign policy experience [never even been abroad for christ's sake] or simple oratory skills became leader of the free world by decree of the fucking SUPREME COURT.

It has been a sham and a shame from DAY ONE.

People called for RESPECT to return to the office because Clinton got a hummer and lied about it. Fine.

But think for a moment what has come from that office over the last 6 years. It's mind numbing.


Be it Republicsn or Democrat, Independent or otherwise, Man or woman, Black, or White, Christian or otherwise, all I hope for is to see the next holder of that office to be worthy of it.

God, Please.

FORD
11-10-2006, 02:28 PM
With apologies to Phil Lynott....

Guess who just got back today?
Those damned old farts that had been away
Haven't changed, haven't much to say
But man, I still think those spooks are crazy

Didn’t know they were all still around
By now they should be 6 feet underground
But here they are and they smacked Rummy down
And it’s driving the dumb Chimp crazy

The boys are back in town...

ODShowtime
11-11-2006, 11:23 AM
Originally posted by LoungeMachine
This silver spoon brat, drunk driving cokehead, draft dodging fuck up, with zero business sense, foreign policy experience [never even been abroad for christ's sake] or simple oratory skills became leader of the free world by decree of the fucking SUPREME COURT.

It has been a sham and a shame from DAY ONE.

Be it Republicsn or Democrat, Independent or otherwise, Man or woman, Black, or White, Christian or otherwise, all I hope for is to see the next holder of that office to be worthy of it.

God, Please.

Unfortunately, the very nature of the system means you must be compromised to reach that position.

floyd95
11-11-2006, 11:51 AM
Originally posted by LoungeMachine
With all due respect to The Office.......

This whole presidency, from the recruitment of the candidate on, has been one of sheer audacity.

It's really shattered the mystique in my eyes of the Office once held by the likes of Jefferson, Lincoln, Roosevelt, Truman, and Kennedy.

This silver spoon brat, drunk driving cokehead, draft dodging fuck up, with zero business sense, foreign policy experience [never even been abroad for christ's sake] or simple oratory skills became leader of the free world by decree of the fucking SUPREME COURT.

It has been a sham and a shame from DAY ONE.

People called for RESPECT to return to the office because Clinton got a hummer and lied about it. Fine.

But think for a moment what has come from that office over the last 6 years. It's mind numbing.


Be it Republicsn or Democrat, Independent or otherwise, Man or woman, Black, or White, Christian or otherwise, all I hope for is to see the next holder of that office to be worthy of it.

God, Please.


That's what pisses me off most about Bush is his damn inadequacy and arrogance.

That is the most fucked up combination of leadership skills.

BigBadBrian
11-11-2006, 12:21 PM
Originally posted by LoungeMachine


Poppy Bush and James Baker gave Sonny the presidency to play with and he broke it. So now they’re taking it back.

Maureen Dowd.




Maureen has been in a funk ever since Michael Douglas dumped her crumbly-looking ass for Catherine Zeta-Jones. Dowd is just plain ugly inside, and rather creepy to look at on the outside.

Anyhow, I guess the BCE is real since this Socialist Kuntbag said so.

:eek:

LoungeMachine
11-11-2006, 01:21 PM
Originally posted by BigBadBrian


just plain ugly inside, and rather creepy to look at on the outside.




Speaking of which...

Anybody heard from Ann Coulter lately? :D

LoungeMachine
11-11-2006, 01:25 PM
Originally posted by BigBadBrian
Maureen has been in a funk ever since Michael Douglas dumped her crumbly-looking ass for Catherine Zeta-Jones. Dowd is just plain ugly inside, and rather creepy to look at on the outside.

Anyhow, I guess the BCE is real since this Socialist Kuntbag said so.

:eek:


So, no comments on the fact W is all of a sudden impotent, and needing GHWB, Inc. to come to his rescue.....

Just ugly cheap shots at the writer.

Glad to see losing hasn't made you "change course" any, Brie:D

Guitar Shark
11-11-2006, 01:29 PM
Originally posted by LoungeMachine
Speaking of which...

Anybody heard from Ann Coulter lately? :D

Oh, snap!!

knuckleboner
11-11-2006, 03:02 PM
Originally posted by LoungeMachine
became leader of the free world by decree of the fucking SUPREME COURT.

It has been a sham and a shame from DAY ONE.



eh, the court's ruling was reasonable.

now, the adminstration that followed may've been less so...

FORD
11-11-2006, 04:41 PM
Originally posted by LoungeMachine
Speaking of which...

Anybody heard from Ann Coulter lately? :D

Last I heard, s/he was looking at jail time for her own personal voter fraud episode back in the primaries.

FORD
11-11-2006, 04:46 PM
Originally posted by knuckleboner
eh, the court's ruling was reasonable.

The initial 7-2 court decision that said Florida should count ballots based on a uniform standard was reasonable. The 5 BCE appointees took it further by NOT allowing Florida to set that standard and resume the ballot count. That's the part that was NOT reasonable, and they admitted as much when they said that the Bush vs Gore case shouldn't be used as a precedent in the event of a future recount.

knuckleboner
11-11-2006, 05:54 PM
uh, the opinion never says that it shouldn't be used as precedent.

the stated reason why the majority opinion didn't let florida set its standards was because the electoral votes HAD to be counted by december 18th. as the court case was heard on december 12th, the majority did not believe 6 days was enough time for the state of florida to come up with uniform standards on what should and should not be considered a valid vote gleaned from an undervote, and then have all of the votes recounted.

now, i'll agree that there may be some disagreement as to whether florida could have gotten its act together in the 6 days. however, i don't think it was unreasonable for the majority on the U.S. supreme court to rule otherwise.

allow me to quote the case:


To recount these manually would be a tall order..

and that was one of the dissenters, souter. true, he followed that up with:

but before this Court stayed the effort to do that the courts of Florida were ready to do their best to get that job done. There is no justification for denying the State the opportunity to try to count all disputed ballots now.


but it came down to him thinking that florida might not get it done in time, but should at least try and the majority thinking that it would not get done properly in time, and therefore the recount should end.


in the end, i can see how different people could conclude that one opinion is slightly more reasonable than the other. but i cannot see either the majority opinion or the dissenting opinions as clearly and conclusively wrong.

bush v. gore (http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/00-949.ZPC.html)