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FORD
11-14-2006, 10:36 PM
Nancy Pelosi's tough new rules
Tuesday, October 31, 2006 | 11:28 AM ET
By Henry Champ

If, as many of the experts and polls are saying, the Democrats win the House of Representatives, then it follows that the loftily titled Honest Leadership and Open Government Act of 2006 should pass, at least in the House.

After all, the public is fed up with congressional ethics, or perhaps more to the point, the lack of such ethics. In every poll or focus group, at every town hall meeting or rally throughout this campaign, there have been calls for reform.

The act is a tough document, authored by Nancy Pelosi, the San Francisco-area congresswomen who has been the Democratic House leader since 2002. She will likely be the House Speaker if the Democrats win next Tuesday.

Here are some of the new rules Pelosi wants:

No House member may accept any gift of any value from lobbyists, or any firm or association that hires lobbyists.

No free travel, which means an end to the corporate jet line every Friday at Reagan National Airport.

No free tickets to Redskins games; or no meals of any value, even at a McDonalds; no front-row seats at entertainment venues. No, no and no.
Temptations resisted

To reduce temptations to cheat, Pelosi's bill attacks the usefulness of members to richly endowed lobbyists.

House members will no longer be able to slip in special-interest projects on unrelated legislation. Such measures will no longer be allowed on a bill once negotiations between the Senate and House are complete.

Further, all bills will be made available to the public a full 24 hours before a final vote; presumably this gives watchdog groups a chance to flag any skullduggery.

Under the Pelosi rules, lobbyists will no longer be able to use the House gym (you'd be surprised how much gets negotiated in a sauna). Lobbyists will no longer be allowed onto the House floor or to use the cloakrooms just off the floor, preventing last-minute arm-twisting.

What's more, no member or staffer will be able to negotiate for employment in the public sector without disclosing such contacts to the House Ethics Committee, and within three days of such contact being made.

Finally, all of this will be audited and investigated by a new Office of Public Integrity, and that office reports, directly and only, to the U.S. Attorneys Office.

At this point, you'd be entitled to ask, "heard this before, what makes you think it will be accepted by Congress?"
Can it work?

No doubt there will be attempts to water down some of these new regulations. In fact, many of these proposals have been in other bills that have been defeated in the recent past.

But several key congressional experts tell CBC News that Pelosi means business and might just be able to push this through. They put it this way.

Pelosi and the congressional Democratic leadership are not likely to get much credit simply for gaining control of the House.

Conventional wisdom already sees such a victory, should it happen, first and foremost as a repudiation of the Bush administration and the Republicans.

This Honest Leadership and Open Government Act is a way of hitting the bricks running. Plus, it could be enormously popular with voters of all persuasions.

They point out Pelosi herself has little national profile and wants quickly to paint some bold strokes. She promises the act will be the first legislation tackled if she leads a new Congress.

Also, Pelosi can and will extract promises of support from those getting leadership positions and plush committee chairmanships and the like.

These new rules will apply in the House as soon as they are passed by simple majority.

The Senate has different rules, but for Republicans and Democrats there, the pressure to comply with the Pelosi standards will be huge.

Link (http://www.cbc.ca/news/reportsfromabroad/champblog/2006/10/nancy_pelosis_tough_new_rules.html)

Little Texan
11-14-2006, 11:01 PM
Cool, I hope they can pass that new bill...that's the way Congress should operate! My question is how are they going to get all these shady Congressmen that are currently enjoying/receiving all these perks to vote for this bill?

PlexiBrown
11-14-2006, 11:30 PM
Everyone has an agenda. Wake me when all of the democrats and republicans disappear from the planet.

scamper
11-15-2006, 09:12 AM
Sound's great, how about adding term limits and no automatic retirement.

knuckleboner
11-15-2006, 10:29 AM
Originally posted by scamper
Sound's great, how about adding term limits and no automatic retirement.

i hate term limits. change the election laws to try and equalize the incumbant advantage a bit.

but if south carolina wants to keep electing strom thurmond's dead corpse, than who am i to tell them that they're wrong?

ODShowtime
11-16-2006, 07:21 AM
I would welcome this legislation.

Guitar Shark
11-16-2006, 01:05 PM
FORD is posting articles favorable to Pelosi now? I am so cuntfused...

LoungeMachine
11-16-2006, 01:15 PM
Originally posted by scamper
Sound's great, how about adding term limits and no automatic retirement.

We have term limits.


They're called Elections.

Term limits is another way of saying "you the voter are too stupid to live"

On second thought.....;)

FORD
11-16-2006, 01:43 PM
Originally posted by Guitar Shark
FORD is posting articles favorable to Pelosi now? I am so cuntfused...

I was willing to give her a fair chance.

I'm a little less willing now that she's allowed a Likud party agent to become Majority Leader.

And with Jane "AIPAC slut" Harmon set to be in charge of the Intellignece committee, it's clear that the DLC/AIPAC traitors are trying to hijack a Democratic victory and cionvert it into the new PNAC war party :(

Lqskdiver
11-16-2006, 02:55 PM
Originally posted by FORD
Goodbye, Neocon Culture of Corruption!

And hello Socialists' Indoctrination of Idealists.

:D

Warham
11-16-2006, 05:08 PM
Pelosi's speech sounds fairly similar to Bill Clinton's 1993 inauguration speech.

Problem is, she's trying her best to put people with ethically-challenged backgrounds in positions of power in the House.

Murtha had to be dragged kicking and screaming to the podium when Pelosi named Steny the #2 guy.

We can't forget to mention Alcee Hastings, her pick to lead the Intelligence Committee. Alcee took a bribe when he was a federal judge back in the 1980's and was promptly impeached.

FORD
11-16-2006, 05:19 PM
See, Warpig is buying the AIPAC spin already. Murtha is clearly shown on the ABSCAM tapes as refusing the bribes, so he did nothing wrong.

And Hastings was only "impeached" by vindictive Republicans who were pissed that he wasn't convicted of a crime.

Does it matter at all to you that the people who are pushing this story are TREASONOUS WAR CRIMINALS FROM A FOREIGN FUCKING COUNTRY TRYING TO INFLUENCE THE US GOVERNMENT???

Warham
11-16-2006, 05:25 PM
'I'm not interested...at this point.'

An ethical person would have stopped at the '...'.

Warham
11-16-2006, 05:27 PM
FORD, your head is spinning like a top.

If Nancy insists on having an ethical congress, why doesn't she put somebody who's squeaky clean in those positions of power?

She seems to enjoy being embarrassed.

StretchOnBass
11-16-2006, 05:36 PM
Pelosi ethical? She hires undocumented aliens for crap wages at her wineries and gives them no benifits either. That is ethical??

She is tied to Gorby and other commies.

MAn, get the shovel out....

FORD
11-16-2006, 06:07 PM
Chad? How did you get internet access from your cell?

Or did RimJob post your bail?

Little Texan
11-16-2006, 07:06 PM
I was also willing to give Pelosi a chance, but like Warham said, she claimed she wanted to clean up Congress and eliminate the culture of corruption, and seems to be doing just the opposite by naming all these shady characters with ethically questionable backgrounds who are known to have engaged in the very corruption that she's supposedly trying to put an end to! Seems pretty counterproductive to me if she is honestly trying to clean up Congress!

Little Texan
11-16-2006, 07:13 PM
I don't think Pelosi should be appointing people to leadership positions that there is the slightest hint of doubt about their ethical background, AIPAC spin or not. If she is sincere in trying to clean up the culture of corruption in Congress, then she should be appointing honest people that are known to be of high moral character and have strong ethics.

LoungeMachine
11-16-2006, 07:17 PM
Originally posted by Little Texan
I don't think Pelosi should be appointing people to leadership positions that there is the slightest hint of doubt about their ethical background,



Ummm...


You do know we're spaeaking of the US Congeress here, right?

:confused:

knuckleboner
11-16-2006, 11:59 PM
Originally posted by FORD
I was willing to give her a fair chance.

I'm a little less willing now that she's allowed a Likud party agent to become Majority Leader.



are we talking about hoyer? cause i'm completely lost.

correct me if i'm wrong, but didn't pelosi back murtha, only to have the house democrats vote in hoyer?

Nitro Express
11-17-2006, 03:00 AM
Pelosi is a politician. Politicians seem to have the same bad habbits nomatter what party they are in.

We will see if the Democrats get it. The Republicans lost power because they abused it and the voters took it away. I hope the Democrats don't get smug thinking they can abuse power because the country is going to vote for them now.

Hardrock69
11-17-2006, 10:53 AM
Originally posted by Guitar Shark
FORD is posting articles favorable to Pelosi now? I am so cuntfused...

No. He is posting articles favorable to the AMERICAN PEOPLE!
:mad:

Hardrock69
11-17-2006, 10:55 AM
Originally posted by Little Texan
I was also willing to give Pelosi a chance, but like Warham said, she claimed she wanted to clean up Congress and eliminate the culture of corruption, and seems to be doing just the opposite by naming all these shady characters with ethically questionable backgrounds who are known to have engaged in the very corruption that she's supposedly trying to put an end to! Seems pretty counterproductive to me if she is honestly trying to clean up Congress!

Yeah well, in case you had not noticed, the ethics rules she is pushing would make it much more difficult if not impossible for the "ethically challenged" fuckheads to get away with ANYTHING.

FORD
11-17-2006, 11:45 AM
Originally posted by knuckleboner
are we talking about hoyer? cause i'm completely lost.

correct me if i'm wrong, but didn't pelosi back murtha, only to have the house democrats vote in hoyer?

I'm not putting all of the blame on Pelosi here, but this DLC/AIPAC sleazefest couldn't have convinced that many people to vote for Steny Whore. Pelosi should have been fighting for these votes long before the election "just in case", because Hoyer's been a thorn in her side for a long time.

Now the AIPAC/DLC crowd will use the exact same tactics to ensure Jane Harmon gets the Intelligence chair position, rather than Pelosi's pick.

The whole thing is a setup for the Likud Neocon war machine to move over to the "Democratic" party and launch the invasion of Iran. It's no coincidence that this is all taking place the same week that Benny NuttyYayhoo is making noise about Iran's fictional "threat" to Israel.

Warham
11-17-2006, 06:29 PM
FORD, don't you read the Bible?

FORD
11-17-2006, 07:01 PM
Originally posted by Warham
FORD, don't you read the Bible?

Yes I do. And the Bible says that Israel is going to get smacked upside the head for their arrogance when God's fed up with it. (Ezekiel 38-39)

I'd rather America wasn't an accomplice to that, because that means we'll get the same shit thrown at us.

Nickdfresh
11-18-2006, 08:28 PM
Originally posted by Warham
Pelosi's speech sounds fairly similar to Bill Clinton's 1993 inauguration speech.

Problem is, she's trying her best to put people with ethically-challenged backgrounds in positions of power in the House.

Murtha had to be dragged kicking and screaming to the podium when Pelosi named Steny the #2 guy.

We can't forget to mention Alcee Hastings, her pick to lead the Intelligence Committee. Alcee took a bribe when he was a federal judge back in the 1980's and was promptly impeached.

Really? Well, how's that 1994 Republican "Cvntract With America" thing going?